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Received: with LISTAR (v0.129a; list 61-79-list); Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:59:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:59:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Ford Truck Enthusiasts List Server To: 61-79-list digest users Reply-to: 61-79-list Subject: 61-79-list Digest V2000 #162 Precedence: list ========================================================== Ford Truck Enthusiasts 1961-1979 Truck Mailing List Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ 61-79-list Digest Mon, 17 Jul 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 162 In This Issue: Re: Dirt Cheap Freon Re: Dirt Cheap Freon Re: Dirt Cheap Freon Re: 62 Unibody Update Re: Dirt Cheap Freon Re: Dirt Cheap Freon Re: power steering pump whines Re: Interior redoing and lights front steer spindles Re: Interior redoing and lights Pwr steering whine Anyone want their truck on my webpage? canadian freon chop-top Re: Dirt Cheap Freon Re: chop-top Re: front steer spindles 61-66 Interior parts 61-66 Interior parts Re: 61-66 Interior parts 1973-1979 Crewcabs On EBAY!!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Southerland, Rich" Subject: Re: Dirt Cheap Freon Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:01:38 -0700 Haven't used it personally. What I do know is that Freeze-12, known also as FR-12 and FRIGC has been approved by the EPA under SNAP (Significant New Alternatives Policy) and as such, it requires "a unique set of fittings to prevent the accidental mixing of refrigerants. If the car is being retrofitted, any service fittings not converted to the new refrigerant must be permanently disabled." "Charging one refrigerant into a system before extracting the old refrigerant is a violation of the SNAP use conditions and is therefore illegal." Source - IMACA study guide (the one you get when you take the test) The real problem with blends like Freeze-12 (which the EPA has approved under SNAP) is the fittings are not always converted like they are required to be. Your employer could be opening themselves to a large liability if they aren't "doing the whole job". It appears in my re-reading my post that it sounded like I dislike Freeze-12. I haven't used it, so I won't offer an opinion. The mixing/contamination potential due to incorrect reclamation/conversion is the real problem and is what I was trying to get across... -----Original Message----- From: Jason Derra [mailto:derrar Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 3:42 PM To: 61-79-list Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Dirt Cheap Freon Rich, What do you know about the Freeze 12? The trucking company I work for is using it in their old R12 systems. They claim it is completely compatible with R12. But I thought I remember reading a few years back that it isn't. Thanks. Jason '69 Bronco '96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke E4OD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Southerland, Rich" To: <61-79-list Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 7:18 AM Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Dirt Cheap Freon > I attended a retrofit class last year and conterfeit R12 is a big problem! > Another popular ingredient is butane which cools great, but oh, the > flammibility! A leaky compressor shaft seal + butane or propane + spark > from the compressor clutch when engaging = BIG BOOM!!! > > We saw photos of several compressors that literally exploded from these > refrigerant "cocktails". > > Most shops now have a piece of equipment to analyze refrigerant before it is > reclaimed out of vehicles because of bogus refrigerant (and blends like > Freeze 12). One car with that junk can contaminate a machine, ruin a > cylinder of otherwise reusable R12 (up to $800 store cost-much more retail) > and turn it into hazardous waste that the shop must pay to have disposed of. > ------------------------------ From: "Jason Derra" Subject: Re: Dirt Cheap Freon Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:03:36 -0700 >The real problem with blends like Freeze-12 (which the EPA has approved > under SNAP) is the fittings are not always converted like they are required > to be. Your employer could be opening themselves to a large liability if > they aren't "doing the whole job". Yes, but we are working on our own private fleet that will probably never see another owner. So cross contamination will only affect our own. I see what you're getting at, though. The real problem and discussion was cross contamination of refrigerants. I'm not sure if our systems were ever recovered and evacuated before the FR12 was used. We usually top off a system with refrigerant loss (not excessive) or evacuate a completely empty system. I didn't mean to sound defensive, nor did your post come across that way. I was just curious what you knew on FR12. Jason '69 Bronco '96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke E4OD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Southerland, Rich" To: <61-79-list Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 4:01 PM Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Dirt Cheap Freon > Haven't used it personally. What I do know is that Freeze-12, known also as > FR-12 and FRIGC has been approved by the EPA under SNAP (Significant New > Alternatives Policy) and as such, it requires > > "a unique set of fittings to prevent the accidental mixing of refrigerants. > If the car is being retrofitted, any service fittings not converted to the > new refrigerant must be permanently disabled." > "Charging one refrigerant into a system before extracting the old > refrigerant is a violation of the SNAP use conditions and is therefore > illegal." > Source - IMACA study guide (the one you get when you take the test) > > > > It appears in my re-reading my post that it sounded like I dislike > Freeze-12. I haven't used it, so I won't offer an opinion. The > mixing/contamination potential due to incorrect reclamation/conversion is > the real problem and is what I was trying to get across... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Derra [mailto:derrar > Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 3:42 PM > To: 61-79-list > Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Dirt Cheap Freon > > > Rich, > What do you know about the Freeze 12? The trucking company I work for is > using it in their old R12 systems. They claim it is completely compatible > with R12. But I thought I remember reading a few years back that it isn't. > Thanks. > Jason > '69 Bronco > '96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke E4OD > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Southerland, Rich" > To: <61-79-list > Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 7:18 AM > Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Dirt Cheap Freon > > > > I attended a retrofit class last year and conterfeit R12 is a big problem! > > Another popular ingredient is butane which cools great, but oh, the > > flammibility! A leaky compressor shaft seal + butane or propane + spark > > from the compressor clutch when engaging = BIG BOOM!!! > > > > We saw photos of several compressors that literally exploded from these > > refrigerant "cocktails". > > > > Most shops now have a piece of equipment to analyze refrigerant before it > is > > reclaimed out of vehicles because of bogus refrigerant (and blends like > > Freeze 12). One car with that junk can contaminate a machine, ruin a > > cylinder of otherwise reusable R12 (up to $800 store cost-much more > retail) > > and turn it into hazardous waste that the shop must pay to have disposed > of. > > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe: > http://www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 > Please remove this footer when replying. > > ------------------------------ From: canzus Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:59:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Dirt Cheap Freon At 10:11 PM 16:07:2000 EDT, SevnD2 >In a message dated 07/16/2000 6:33:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >canzus > >< < Can you quote the order # for me?? > > > >I can't recall the order number. I just know it is a regulation. I am sure >there is more to it than I have listed. I will look around to find the >regulation on this and post it later. > >I may be wrong, but if it is attatched to a forklift it may be ok to be >inside of buildings and workplaces. We leave a propane powered forklift >inside our building each night, but we turn off the main valve on the tank. I >know it can still leak even with this valve turned off. > >It is a loose tank being stored that is getting the most attention from OSHA. > Thanks Rollie, We also mandate that the tanks be shut off over night, we are also going through the OSHA required lift safety training as we speak... the little videos are said to very scary, at least for the weak of stomach, namely the little females that have taken the course so far... We have about 40 pieces of equipment, and 50 some odd operators, about 65% are ladies... I'm wondering why we can't find more males... Steve & the Rockette 68 F100, 390cid, FMX 63 F100, 292cid, 3speed 72 Capri 2000, hers 73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in..... 73 MGB GT, Our Toy 94 SHO, SWMBO's 98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine.... ------------------------------ From: canzus Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:59:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: 62 Unibody Update At 12:04 AM 17:07:2000 EDT, Natp244 >In a message dated 7/16/00 5:33:37 PM Central Daylight Time, >canzus > >< < > Hope you guys (and gals) will wish me luck in convincing my wife that >this > >truck really is worth the $500 asking price! She just can't seem to > >understand why I need a fourth truck. Go figure :) > > Tell SWMBO it's for her... >> > > >SWMBO is too smart for that... and can't drive a standard. She is weakening, >though! > Keep up the pressure, even lie to her, tell her that you're going to make it an auto... Steve & the Rockette 68 F100, 390cid, FMX 63 F100, 292cid, 3speed 72 Capri 2000, hers 73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in..... 73 MGB GT, Our Toy 94 SHO, SWMBO's 98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine.... ------------------------------ From: canzus Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:59:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Dirt Cheap Freon At 03:01 PM 17:07:2000 -0700, Jason Derra wrote: >Yes, but where is is going to go inside the car. The vapors will still be >there. Only if you have a leak in the evap core, which I've never seen... Plus with Fords "Flow Through" technology, it may not get to explosive levels ever...which is about 14% mix... Years ago, when I was in the plumbing trade, I did a job at Lake Washington Vo-Tech, they had 14% natural gas *UNDER* the paving...we installed 1400ft of 2" black iron pipe to replace the old service gas main... Steve & the Rockette 68 F100, 390cid, FMX 63 F100, 292cid, 3speed 72 Capri 2000, hers 73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in..... 73 MGB GT, Our Toy 94 SHO, SWMBO's 98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine.... ------------------------------ From: "Jason Derra" Subject: Re: Dirt Cheap Freon Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:23:58 -0700 Evaporator leaks are pretty common. I've replaced 3 this season out of my divisions 16 trucks. 3.5- 4 lbs of leaking propane in the interior or under the hood of a car is a bad thing. I've seen the after pictures of cars that have exploded from this. The passengers didn't survive, to put it mildly. Jason '69 Bronco '96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke E4OD ----- Original Message ----- From: To: <61-79-list Cc: <61-79-list Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 4:59 PM Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Dirt Cheap Freon > At 03:01 PM 17:07:2000 -0700, Jason Derra wrote: > >Yes, but where is is going to go inside the car. The vapors will still be > >there. > > Only if you have a leak in the evap core, which I've never seen... > Plus with Fords "Flow Through" technology, it may not get to > explosive levels ever...which is about 14% mix... Years ago, when > I was in the plumbing trade, I did a job at Lake Washington Vo-Tech, > they had 14% natural gas *UNDER* the paving...we installed 1400ft > of 2" black iron pipe to replace the old service gas main... > > Steve & the Rockette > 68 F100, 390cid, FMX > 63 F100, 292cid, 3speed > 72 Capri 2000, hers > 73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in..... > 73 MGB GT, Our Toy > 94 SHO, SWMBO's > 98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine.... > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe: > http://www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 > Please remove this footer when replying. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:39:55 -0500 From: Ron Martens Subject: Re: power steering pump whines Flush the system, the old fluid has been overheated & should have a funny burned smell or the pump is worn out. Good luck John Kahrs wrote: > - > > Just put in a power steering pump from a pick-n-pull (probably my first mistake). > It works great but whines somethin' fierce. The truck is a '76 F100 and the pump > is the one with the dipstick neck that stick up out of the back. I've checked the > level several times, both hot and cold and it seems fine. Is is just trash, or is > there anything else I can do before I look for another? > > jk > > -- > John Kahrs > > kahrs > 510.620.3486 > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe: > http://www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 > Please remove this footer when replying. ------------------------------ From: "MARTY COLMAN" Subject: Re: Interior redoing and lights Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 19:03:47 PDT truck a double type deal or is it just a single piece of metal? but if anyone has done this before let me know thanks Travis> I put clearence lights on my '73. It was very easy. The roof is one layer, the headliner will cover up all the screws and wires. Just screw down the lights how you like them (I chose to have them all evenly spaced - vs. the three center ones closer), remove headliner, wire the lights together and run the wire down the post between the door and windshield on the driver's side. I then chose to run my wire under the hood and hook it to a parklight wire, so the clearence lights would come on when I turned on my lights (but you can just hook them to a toggle switch if you want). I bought a kit that came with 5 lights and the wire and connectors for $20 at K-mart or Walmart. This couple hours of work makes a big improvement. Marty ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: "Richard Boyce" Subject: front steer spindles Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:44:09 MDT A while back there was a post concerning interchangability of E-150 front spindles for a disc brake swap. These won't interchange as they are front steer, and up to 79 trucks were rear steer. But I would be interested in obtaining a pair of these if anybody where a pair is. Thanks. Richard ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: "Andersons" Subject: Re: Interior redoing and lights Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:56:32 -0400 Travis, I have a good set of the Ford factory clearance lights on the cab of my '77 F-150. I think they look kinda cheesy (no accounting for taste) and was planning to remove them as part of my restoration. If you want this set, along with factory harness, etc., make me an offer. Bob Covington, VA ----- Original Message ----- From: MARTY COLMAN To: <61-79-list Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 10:03 PM Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Interior redoing and lights > > > truck a double type deal or is it just a single piece of metal? > but if anyone has done this before let me know thanks > Travis> > > > I put clearence lights on my '73. It was very easy. The roof is one layer, > the headliner will cover up all the screws and wires. Just screw down the > lights how you like them (I chose to have them all evenly spaced - vs. the > three center ones closer), remove headliner, wire the lights together and > run the wire down the post between the door and windshield on the driver's > side. I then chose to run my wire under the hood and hook it to a parklight > wire, so the clearence lights would come on when I turned on my lights (but > you can just hook them to a toggle switch if you want). I bought a kit that > came with 5 lights and the wire and connectors for $20 at K-mart or Walmart. > > This couple hours of work makes a big improvement. > > Marty > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe: > http://www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 > Please remove this footer when replying. > > ------------------------------ From: "Azie L. Magnusson" Subject: Pwr steering whine Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:52:01 -0500 John C. writes: >> Just put in a power steering pump from a pick-n-pull (probably my first mistake). It works great but whines somethin' fierce. The truck is a '76 F100 and the pump is the one with the dipstick neck that stick up out of the back. I've checked the level several times, both hot and cold and it seems fine. Is is just trash, or is there anything else I can do before I look for another?<< Check the belt tension. Power steering pumps need only be tight enough to not allow the belt to slip. The biggest cause of power steering pump failure is too overtighten the belt... It puts a tremendous strain on the front bushing/bearing & seal, and this causes a whine as you describe. Good luck. Azie Magnusson Ardmore, Al. ------------------------------ From: "Garrett Nelson" Subject: Anyone want their truck on my webpage? Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:15:54 -0500 www.1966ford.com If so contact me off-list. I love this stuff! ---Garrett ------------------------------ From: "Don Jones" Subject: canadian freon Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:53:45 PDT There is a replacement for r-12 on the market now called r-409 its not a "transitional" gas like fr-12. It works with conventional mineral oils but wont mix with r-12. I have it installed in a deli counter at work. Its supposed to be a bit more efficient than r-12. One item that i read in a trade journal a while ago was quite interesting. Seems the single biggest item smuggled into the united states and canada in terms of dollar value last year was freon. Of course the dollar value of freon is quite inflated, and it really doesnt have the news value that illegal drugs do. Would propane really be that dangerous in an a/c system? It really isnt a problem in propane fueled vehicles, and the quantities for fuel are really quite a bit more than for an a/c system. Propane is now used as a propellant in most aerosol cans as a "safe" replacement for cfc's. Don Jones 1970 f-250 4x4 ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: "Richard Coleman" Subject: chop-top Date: (No, or invalid, date.) rick coleman tunnelran tuesday july 18,2000 I NEED SOMEONES HELP I CHOPPED MY 63 FORD TRUCK DOWN 5 INCHED, NOW I HAVE TO CUT THE WINSHIELD, WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO GO ABOUT IT? I HEARD THAT SANDBLASTING IS THE BEST WAY IS THIS RIGHT OR IF YOU KNOW OF ANOTHER WAY PLEASE LET ME KNOW. ------------------------------ From: SevnD2 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 02:16:25 EDT Subject: Re: Dirt Cheap Freon In a message dated 07/17/2000 8:00:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, canzus << we are also going through the OSHA required lift safety training as we speak...>> I need that course again really bad. << the little videos are said to very scary, at least for the weak of stomach, namely the little females that have taken the course so far...>> Some of the biggest macho guys out there are weak in the knees on that too. LOL < I know ! I know ! They are to proud to ride the funny looking forklift after driving those great looking Ford trucks to work everyday! I must admit though, I ride a forklift at work, but only in the dark! So nobody ever sees me :-) It is like my friend who drives a night, so nobody can see it parked in my driveway. ;-) Rollie H. Hunt ------------------------------ From: SevnD2 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 03:00:57 EDT Subject: Re: chop-top In a message dated 07/18/2000 1:32:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tunnelram << I NEED SOMEONES HELP I CHOPPED MY 63 FORD TRUCK DOWN 5 INCHED, NOW I HAVE TO CUT THE WINSHIELD, WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO GO ABOUT IT?>> I would recommend taking it to a glass shop. Watch them do one the first time. Then if you are not a skilled glass cutter, you need to practice cutting glass. Trust me, I have helped and watched my Dad do this and it is a tricky practice, even to a skilled craftsman. I will tell you how I know of it being done since you have asked. You must make a pattern to be certain of the amount of glass you need to remove from the windshield. Then trace that onto the glass. Preferably in a way to leave most of the shaded top area of the windshield. You will have to follow the line with a glass cutter on one side. Be careful on the edges or you will crack it. After cutting you have to manipulate the glass by hand to get the glass to crack where you scored it. This is where you may meet with defeat. The glass is curved and the crack will want to follow the curve and not the scored area. I cannot even begine to tell you how to do this. I can do it, but I can't describe the technique. Other than stressfull. After you complete one side you have to do the other because this is laminated glass. Ok, got both sides done? If you made it this far, you are the baddist man in the whole downtown!!!!! Now for some fire!. You have to wet the area down with alcohol on a cotton string that follows the cut. Really any alcohol will do. Light it and be careful. Just let it burn for about 5 - 10 seconds or until you get the plastic that is laminated between the glass to melt a little. Pull the piece of glass away you are cutting off slightly by bending and pulling in small increments. You need just enough room to get a scraper blade (razor blade) in there to cut the plastic and free the piece of glass... Whew! Are you with me? Ok. Now get some 180 or close sandpaper and sand the edges very carefully until smooth. Now you get to install what should be the proper size windshield in your custom chopped top truck. Enjoy! <> I don't know about that. It may work. Just haven't heard of it before. It will require some special tools and very careful taping or covering of the glass for it to be cut just right without scratching up the part you want untouched. Good thing about this is... you will reduce the chances of breakage with the sandblasting technique to about zero. Oh and don't forget the backglass, door glasses and wing vents! Hope this helps! Rollie H. Hunt ------------------------------ From: JUMPINFORD Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:58:54 EDT Subject: Re: front steer spindles In a message dated 7/17/00 7:45:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rboyce90 << A while back there was a post concerning interchangability of E-150 front spindles for a disc brake swap. These won't interchange as they are front steer, and up to 79 trucks were rear steer. >> Also, Vans use unequal length I-Beams. Like the 80+ Trucks Darrell & Tweety ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:42:19 -0500 Subject: Re: butter fingers From: John LaGrone on 7/16/2000 11:00 PM, Don Haring, Jr. at haring > And no matter what you do or don't do, I'm sure you want to keep your > fingers too. So don't take shortcuts. I'm not trying to make a sermon, just > reminding everyone to take the time to do it right. Amen. You said it right, Stubby...er, I mean, Don. -- John jlagrone 1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ From: "Desanto, Phillip" Subject: 61-66 Interior parts Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:35:00 -0400 Thought I saw a post several days ago from somebody looking for interior trim for their mid-60's truck. Well, I just ran across an add for a company making door panels and padded visors for 61-66 Fords. Let me know if anyone's interested. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ AutoKrafters, Dennis Carpenter, LMC, Larry Evenson, Obsolete Ford Parts and several others carry the door panels and visors too. Look close though, prices vary even on the same parts from the same (original) supplier. LMC is a good example. Same parts, beautiful catalog....and higher prices. Later, Phil 64 Custom Cab ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:46:47 -0700 From: Eric Subject: 61-66 Interior parts I thought LMC had the better prices. Am I wrong? When you say "same" supplier, Phil, do you mean that the retailers all get the parts from the same source? Any idea who that is? I'm ready to buy a lot of parts and would like to hear some advice from you guys. Thanks Eric, '66 Merc Camper Special ------------------------------ From: "Southerland, Rich" Subject: Re: 61-66 Interior parts Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:59:34 -0700 Haven't done a real in-depth comparison but on the few products I did compare, Dennis Carpenter was a little bit less expensive... -----Original Message----- From: Eric [mailto:ekdonaldson Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 3:47 PM To: 61-79-list Subject: [61-79-list] 61-66 Interior parts I thought LMC had the better prices. Am I wrong? When you say "same" supplier, Phil, do you mean that the retailers all get the parts from the same source? Any idea who that is? I'm ready to buy a lot of parts and would like to hear some advice from you guys. Thanks Eric, '66 Merc Camper Special ========================================================== To unsubscribe: http://www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 Please remove this footer when replying. ------------------------------ From: FORDTRKNUT Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:56:50 EDT Subject: 1973-1979 Crewcabs On EBAY!!!! Hey all!!! For all that care (i know I do!!!), there are two Crewcabs for bid on EBAY. Here are the web pages: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=385493261 And http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=383168348&r= 0&t=0 I have been converting my 1979 Crewcab F350 to 4 wheel drive for the past week. I will post pictures & procedures as soon as I do a write-up on it. It will be in WORD 2000 for all that care. Well.....Take care!!! Wayne Grabley ------------------------------ End of 61-79-list Digest V2000 #162 *********************************** <><><><><><> Serious Help Finding That Part! <><><><><><> Ford Truck Enthusiasts now has "Ford Products Interchange" manuals in its online store. Two editions: 1950-1965 and 1963-1974. Cross references thousands of Ford parts. http://www.motorhaven.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts 1961-1979 Truck Mailing List Send posts to 61-79-list If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, send an email to: listar with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the message. Visit Our Web Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com ---------------------------------------------------------- .... 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