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61-79-list Digest Mon, 10 Jul 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 154

In This Issue:
Re: brake lines
Re: Custom Cab
429
Re: Drop spindles
Fw: Power steering up grade.
Re: plastic truck kits
Re: FTE folks in OH unite!
converting inverted Y steering
Re: 429
Re: brake lines
79 Ford
Re: Biggest Radiator
Re: brake lines
Re: 79 Ford
Re: brake lines
Re: Interesting mirrors
Re: 79 Ford
Re: surge brakes on trailer
FREON
Re: Power Sterring Conversion
Re: 79 Ford
brake lines
Re: Fw: Power steering up grade.
Re: Fw: Power steering up grade.
Re: brake lines
Re: Brake Line Thread Death!!!
Re: Other '78 F250 Questions
Freon
Re: Freon
78 f250 SWB, supercab for sale
Paint Oxidation...
Re: Other '78 F250 Questions
Body work in Colorado
Oh man, you FEnatics have got to see these...
Re: Freon
Re: Paint Oxidation...
Re: Oh man, you FEnatics have got to see these...

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From: "G & J Boling" alltel.net>
Subject: Re: brake lines
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:10:19 -0700



> I have never worked on air brake systems myself so I may very well be
> mistaken but I thought that air brake systems fail-safed to the engaged
> position. I always thought that the brakes were engaged with no air
> pressure and the air pressure was used to release them. That way if the
> system lost pressure the brakes would engage and stop the vehicle.
(Unless
> the driver wasn't aware and kept driving. Seems I heard of a trailer
brake
> fire caused this way.)
>
> Tom H
> ========================================
well thats partially true BUT whenever i have had a line or system failure
it was always when i was either going down hill or up one it seems
going down sure the brakes engage when the system loses pressure BUT unless
its a short hill the brakes become HOT then its just like stomping a grape
to try and stop with them at that point they are Useless and usually theres
no second chaance either theres been many accidents and deaths because of
this happening theres only 1 solution for it and thats a ILLASA axle set up
that allows you to dial in whatever brakeing power you want by electric
clutches in it
gordon

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From: "wish" ford-trucks.net>
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:15:36 GMT
Subject: Re: Custom Cab

>My '66 2wd F250 , base truck , no options
>has a padded dash.
>My '65 2wd Custom cab and my '66 4x4
>custom cab , neither have the padded dash
>
>

I seem to remember some discussion of padded dashes on the Mustang sites a while
ago, the very early 64's had it optional so there are a few very rare Mustangs
without padded dashes. I think all of the 65's had them, so it wouldn't be
surprising for the trucks to follow a year behind the cars on this. Also you
might be able to check the laws and stuff, I'll bet there was impending legislation
requiring them ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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From: "Jeffrey L Schulz" bridgetest.com>
Subject: 429
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:33:04 -0600

How much is a good running 429 worth?

CJ


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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:33:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mark Rogers excite.com>
Subject: Re: Drop spindles

Watch out for AIM Industries in Arizona. Not only did I have a wretched
experience, but others as well on the list as well in correspondance later.


On Thu, 06 Jul 2000 14:16:34 -0700, 61-79-list ford-trucks.com wrote:

> At 02:00 PM 07/06/2000 -0700, you wrote:
> >Howdy,
> >Anyone know if there are drop spindles available for a 1973 F-100?
Thanks.
> >
> >Randy Howard
>
>
> Truckin' Magazine has several vendors listed that sell dropped I-Beams.
>
> Later
> Keith Srb
>
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From: "Dutchie" iolfree.ie>
Subject: Fw: Power steering up grade.
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:43:14 +0100




Is there a power steering upgrade kit available to suit a 1965 Ford F100
shortbed Pickup?

Regards,

Dutchman.......



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From: "NP 540" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: plastic truck kits
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:23:08 PDT

Well, in my last post on FTE 2 days ago, I forgot a few other 1/25
kits that were made that might interest a few of you:
AMT #2708 1978(79?) Bronco 4x4
Has square headlights, says "Bronco Ranger XLT" on cowl, HAS
THE ONLY 351M-400 ENGINE EVER MODELED IN 1/25 (that I know of),
C6, NP205, more correct-looking axles. That issue molded in
tan. AMT also made another issue of that kit: different decals,
molded in another color, as far as I know. Very nice kit!
MPC made a few 1975 and up vans, side door and hood opens, 1/2-tons,
short-wheelbase only. I don't know about particular year-grill design.
AMT also made a few 1975 and up vans, hood opens, 1/2-tons,
short-wheelbase only, says "CHATEAU" on front fenders on mines. Not
sure about exacly which years they were made, too.
MPC made a few 1969-74 Ford vans, too: don't know about particular
year, side and back doors opens, 8-studs wheels, long-wheelbase,
1/20 scale only, 302-2V, C6, Dana-60 rear-end. I recall one version
was available as a kind of ambulance, another as a customized
"prison" van, and another one (I think!) was a jacked-up 4x4.

Now, about that AMT 1978/79 Ford 4x4 kit I was describing in my last
post, the rear-end is a Dana-60, but the front-end is a Dana-44
with coil-springs!

Any questions about kits? Feel free to email me, maybe I can help!

Gerry
M-block disciple
1978 F-150 SuperCab, 351M-NP435-NP205
1979 F-150 regular cab, 351M-NP435-NP205
VIVE LE FORD!

PS: any FTE peoples here in New-Brunswick, Canada?





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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:27:52 -0400
From: "Sean R. Kerns" choice.net>
Subject: Re: FTE folks in OH unite!

Cincinnati, OH.

'79 F-250 4x4 Explorer, with C6/NP205, and 429-4V,
transplanted from a '68 Thunderbird.


Sean


> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:07:18 -0400
> From: somalley voyager2.cns.ohiou.edu (Sean O'Malley)
> Subject: Re: FTE folks in OH unite!
>
> > >Just curious... how many FTE'ers are in the Ohio area???
>
> Athens, OH.
>
> '78 F150 4x4, and possibly a '69 that I saw for sale recently.
> Frightening how one can go from considering selling one truck
> to owning two :).
>
> --sean
>
> ------------------------------
>
--
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cool, with complimentary mojo after takeoff..."



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From: "Matt Schu" hotmail.com>
Subject: converting inverted Y steering
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:37:44 AKDT

List,

Quick question. What do I need to buy to convert my inverted Y steering on
my 76 F-150 4x4 to inverted T? Is the front axle on my truck the same as
the 78?

schu
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From: "Jason Derra" internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: 429
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:00:09 -0700

I paid $100 bucks for one with a C6 attached to a early '70's Thunderbird.
Jason
'69 Bronco
'96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke E4OD

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Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 11:33 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] 429


> How much is a good running 429 worth?
>
> CJ
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From: "Jason Derra" internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: brake lines
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:35:30 -0700

Think what you will, but like what was said earlier, there's too much
liability for a large company to screw up something such as brake lines. A
company such as Raybestos or Bendix is not going to put their company on the
line for a shoddy built brake part. If you're buying cheap, second rate
parts, you can't compare them to some of the quality brand names out there.

I have pulled up to105K lb 4 axle tractors/trailers and doubles down 7 and
8% grades. If a brake hose fails, you are not just going to plummet down
the hill at break neck speeds until you hit something. And in worst case,
if you lost all air pressure, your brakes will apply with spring brake
pressure. There are many safety back up features built into the modern
(post- 121) dual air brake systems. Many of the tractor/trailers I work on
and drive have air bag suspensions. Leaking and blown air bags are pretty
common this time of the year. But, there are safety features incorporated
into the air system that separate a brake system from a suspension system in
case of failure. The same thing happens between the different axle brakes
on a truck. If working properly a loss of brakes because of air pressure
on one axle will not
keep the other brakes from working to safely stop the truck.
I think we're getting off the original subject.
Jason
'69 Bronco
'96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke E4OD

----- Original Message -----
From: "G & J Boling" alltel.net>
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Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 4:19 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: brake lines


>
>
> > Working with air brake systems is a little bit different than dealing
> with
> > the hydraulics of a fluid braking system. If you lose a hose on an air
> > system, a warning light or buzzer should come on long before you lose
> > effective braking. The compressor should keep up with the leak enough
to
> at
> > least get the vehicle stopped safely.
> ========================================
> Well explain this to me cause it seems i may be wrong
> Dead is Dead
> Isnt it
> TRY going down a 7% grade with 80,000 lbs pushing you and blow a air line
> sure the compressor might keep up with it for a few seconds untill your
> brakes overheat and you lose them to THEN it doesnt matter how much air
you
> have your not going to stop anyways untill you hit something
> i would trust a hydraulic hose made up by a reputable person a whole lot
> more than a Mass Produced one ANYTIME
> it seems that most places anymore have went to using the tempary services
> to supply their work forces instead of good help so they can pay them
> minimum wages instead of living wages
> just think about it how many auto parts have you bought and taken home
> installed only to find out they were JUNK well the same folks that made
> those are making brake lines to usually
> gordon
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From: TWL1911 aol.com
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:48:54 EDT
Subject: 79 Ford

ok every one, i think its gonna work out. i think i now am the owner of a 79
(thanks darrell) f-150 with a STOCK 460 in it. it is a Ranger XLT. it does
have factory air, and i think it could frost the windows if you let it. the
motor is perfectly silent, no knocks, pings, nothing! (that will soon be
changed with dual 3 inch exhuast and flow masters) it has a strong C-6. we
are trading off the hunk of junk chevy truck for it, and i do have to do a
little sheet metal work, and a repaint job nothing major. any ways, could
some one decode the VIN for me? me and darell did a little bit of it. it is:
F15JKEJ110B, also on the id plater there was a few other numbers they are:
F0114 and T036. what are these numbers if any one knows. well i think this
is gonna work out pretty nice, but its definately gonna be a project truck.
well thats all for now
Travis

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From: TBeeee aol.com
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:35:24 EDT
Subject: Re: Biggest Radiator

What was the modine number?

Stock Man
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://hometown.aol.com/tbeeee

>
> I recently purchased a Modine 4 core from Advance Auto in Arvada, CO for
> $199.95 for my '67 F250 C/S.

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From: "rich" exis.net>
Subject: Re: brake lines
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:09:40 -0400


----- Original Message -----
From: Jason Derra internetcds.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 4:35 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: brake lines


> Think what you will, but like what was said earlier, there's too much
> liability for a large company to screw up something such as brake lines.
A
> company such as Raybestos or Bendix is not going to put their company on
the
> line for a shoddy built brake part.

Back in Highschool I worked at a small service station. After we closed one
night, an old farmer and his wife driving an old station wagon with the
single resevoir master cylinder pulled in with no brakes. We told him leave
it for the night, but they just wanted a temporary fix to get home. Make a
long story longer, the boss crimped the rusted line at the rear end where it
was rusted, filled it with fluid and sent him on his way, no charge. He got
in a wreck and sued the station. He won. Judge stated as "mechanic's", we
new better than John Q customer than to perform this "illegal, unsafe" fix.
I learned from that, was ASE certified a month later and still refuse to put
back together any customer's or friends brakes if I see Any Thing not up to
OEM specs. FTE content: I just worked on ex list member Jeffery Hanson's
78 F150 (remember the Muny Pit? it made it here to VA) brakes.

Rich


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From: canzus seanet.com
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:09:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: 79 Ford

At 04:48 PM 10:07:2000 EDT, TWL1911 aol.com wrote:
>ok every one, i think its gonna work out. i think i now am the owner of a 79
>(thanks darrell) f-150 with a STOCK 460 in it. it is a Ranger XLT.

This is probably a "Trailer Special". If you look real hard at the body
you may find where the labels were. I've only seen one of these
monsters, with the original build sheet, and chrome Trailer Special
labeling. It came with the 460/C6/4.11:1 gears.

It'll be interesting to find out what your gearing is...

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine....


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From: canzus seanet.com
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:09:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: brake lines

At 08:08 AM 10:07:2000 -0700, Hogan, Tom wrote:
>
>> Working with air brake systems is a little bit different than
>> dealing with
>> the hydraulics of a fluid braking system. If you lose a hose
>> on an air
>> system, a warning light or buzzer should come on long before you lose
>> effective braking. The compressor should keep up with the
>> leak enough to at
>> least get the vehicle stopped safely.
>
>
> but I thought that air brake systems fail-safed to the engaged
>position. I always thought that the brakes were engaged with no air
>pressure and the air pressure was used to release them.

This is correct, you need pressure to release the brakes, if
you blow an air line on the trailer, the brakes will "set". This
would be a bad thing on a grade at speed, as the trailer tires
would have less friction than the tractor tires, and you wind up
jack knifed, as the trailer will try to pass the tractor...

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine....


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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:47:00 -0700
From: CLAUDE JONES phonewave.net>
Subject: Re: Interesting mirrors

Interesting mirrors- do you mind if I ask what they came off of? Or for
all I know they could be original!! But they look nice on the truck.

Nate


I picked them up at the base parts and supply store while I was
station at Guam 2 years ago. I haven't seen any here in the states
since I've been back.

Claude


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From: "Bill Beyer" home.com>
Subject: Re: 79 Ford
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:11:39 -0700

Model Year: 79
Series: F150 - 4x2 Pickup
Engine: 8 Cyl, 460ci (7.5L) 4bbl
Assembly Plant: Kansas City

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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From: aol.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 1:48 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] 79 Ford


> any ways, could
> some one decode the VIN for me? me and darell did a little bit of it. it
is:
> F15JKEJ110B, also on the id plater there was a few other numbers they
are:
> F0114 and T036. what are these numbers if any one knows. well i think
this
> is gonna work out pretty nice, but its definately gonna be a project
truck.
> well thats all for now




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From: DWeaver232 aol.com
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:22:56 EDT
Subject: Re: surge brakes on trailer

Yes to your question, these are surge brakes. To see if they work correctly
you will need to adjust them first. If the self adjusters are still on they
will need to be removed (probably not or they would lock up) adjust the
adjusters until the wheel won't turn then back off 10 clicks. Take the piece
with the ball on it out of your reciever hitch and place into trailer hitch.
You should be able to push it down and the bolt that goes through the curved
slot should move about 1/3 of the distance of the slot. This would probably
be a good time to flush the brake fluid through the system. The acuator on
the trailer is very susceptible to moisture and should probably be flushed
twice a year, and they cost about $150. Just spent the friday before the 4th
rebuilding the system on my boat trailer.

Terry Weaver
78 F350 srw

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From: "rich" exis.net>
Subject: FREON
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:18:25 -0400

A while back someone on the Mustang (50natics) list posted a URL for for
taking the epa 609 exam. This MVAC (Motor Vehicle Air Conditioning
Technician) (609) certification allows you to puchase ANY type of freon, in
ANY size container, down to the 1lb cans. I went there and for 20 dollars
you can take the exam online and instantly print out a temporary
certification card. A permanent card will be mailed within 30 day's. The
exam was fairly easy and is OPEN BOOK, meaning a seperate browser window
opens the book from which the test is derived. Took me about a half hour to
complete. In the study guide, it states that the epa allows you to "top
off" your ac system because it's "normal" to lose a small amount of
refrigerant that bypasses your compressor seal over time. I knew this but
couldn't prove it till now. why? Because I'm now 609 certified. LOL. I
replaced a blown AC hose on my 76 F250 today and took my temp card to
Autozone and purchased genuine R12. (3 cans 19.99 + tax) For anyone
interested the URL is :

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.epatest.com

Hope this helps somebody out like it did me. I Saved a lot of $$$. Pep
Boy's wanted $60.00 labor to replace the hose, $59.95 labor for the
recharge, AND $2.29 per oz of freon!! There are several R12 replacements
out there, but I have no experience with them. Anyboby have any luck, good
or bad with them?

PS for any enviromentalist's out there, my system was all ready vented due
to a blown high pressure hose, nothing left to reclaim. I Took my guage and
hoses to Pep Boy's and had them reclaim the refrigerant left in them after
the fill.

Rich


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From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick" mddc.com>
Subject: Re: Power Sterring Conversion
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:52:51 -0500


From: wish ford-trucks.net>
> It should route around the water pump as well as the crank and p/s pump
...
> Just my $.02
> wish

Really? It can also be run straight from the crank to the ps pump. Right or
wrong, I've run mine like this for several years with no ill effects.
Jason Kendrick


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From: TWL1911 aol.com
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:03:29 EDT
Subject: Re: 79 Ford

Well when i drove it it seemed to be ok gearing, i dont think 4.11's maybe
3.73(chevy's gearing) im not to sure what ford uses for that gearing range.
while i was working on the body alittle (welding in new sheetmetal) i didnt
see any stickers or anyhting out of the ordinary. My friend has a 78 like
this one and his is geared for high way and not pulling. it will be
interesting to see what its gonna be like to drive around. also when driving
it, it seems to have a whine to it, im assuming thats just the power steering
pump.
also what type of exhaust should i do? i know im going 3 inch duals, i havent
decided either just plain turbos, glass packs (kinda loud and obnoxiuos), or
flowmasters?
also what type or rims would you suggest? i havent decided if i want to do
chrome spokes or just the white ones. or something totaly different. i think
im gonna throw a set of more high way use tires instead of a all terrain
well thanks
Travis

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From: "G & J Boling" alltel.net>
Subject: brake lines
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:20:17 -0700


> This is correct, you need pressure to release the brakes, if
> you blow an air line on the trailer, the brakes will "set". This
> would be a bad thing on a grade at speed, as the trailer tires
> would have less friction than the tractor tires, and you wind up
> jack knifed, as the trailer will try to pass the tractor...
Steve & the Rockette
=========================================
NOT on dry pavement it wont do it
Beleive me after about 2 Million miles behind the heel of class 8 18
wheelers just about anything that Can Happen Has Happened to me and if you
blow a line on a steep grade even with the new systems it will not
automatically stop you Why do you think they have RUNAWAY truck ramps its
for things such as that when they brakes are overheated and lost due to
lost air pressure or inexpierenced drivers who dont know what they are
doing
just about the only time you will jack knife is on slick roads usually when
the trlr brakes grabb to much too soon
but if used right there is a hand valve that will operate the trlr brakes
first manually to prevent that too
Oh Well thats enough on this subject for me so i will let the EXPERTS have
it from here on out
gordon

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From: WEDIVE247 aol.com
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:50:39 EDT
Subject: Re: Fw: Power steering up grade.

In a message dated 7/10/2000 1:40:41 PM EST, flat-tracker iolfree.ie writes:

<< Is there a power steering upgrade kit available to suit a 1965 Ford F100
shortbed Pickup?

Regards,

Dutchman.......
>>

Sure , 65's had power steering .Stock . Just find another 65 and use that as
a replacement .

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From: TBeeeeaol.com
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:20:35 EDT
Subject: Re: Fw: Power steering up grade.

I thought 66 was the first year Ford offered a power steering option??

Stock Man
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In a message dated 7/10/2000 9:51:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
WEDIVE247aol.com writes:

>
> Sure , 65's had power steering .Stock . Just find another 65 and use that
> as
> a replacement .

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From: "Jason Derra" internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: brake lines
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:03:27 -0700

Truck escape ramps are more for inexperienced drivers who go off a hill in
too high a gear and overheat the brakes to the point of ineffectiveness. At
least that is the common place around here. The brakes will not lock up
until the dash valve pops from low air pressure, or complete trailer
emergency air (red gladhand) is lost. In other words, remove the red
gladhand ( at 55 mph going down a 8% and tell me the brakes won't set up
right now.
Yes, braking power will be reduced below about 70 psi, but you should still
be able to stop the truck. My whole point of comparision in the first place
was fluid replenishment. Air brake systems can, hydraulic brakes can't.
Jason
'69 Bronco
'96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke E4OD

----- Original Message -----
From: "G & J Boling" alltel.net>
To: <61-79-listford-trucks.com>
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 9:20 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] brake lines


>
> > This is correct, you need pressure to release the brakes, if
> > you blow an air line on the trailer, the brakes will "set". This
> > would be a bad thing on a grade at speed, as the trailer tires
> > would have less friction than the tractor tires, and you wind up
> > jack knifed, as the trailer will try to pass the tractor...
> Steve & the Rockette
> =========================================
> NOT on dry pavement it wont do it
> Beleive me after about 2 Million miles behind the heel of class 8 18
> wheelers just about anything that Can Happen Has Happened to me and if you
> blow a line on a steep grade even with the new systems it will not
> automatically stop you Why do you think they have RUNAWAY truck ramps its
> for things such as that when they brakes are overheated and lost due to
> lost air pressure or inexpierenced drivers who dont know what they are
> doing
> just about the only time you will jack knife is on slick roads usually
when
> the trlr brakes grabb to much too soon
> but if used right there is a hand valve that will operate the trlr brakes
> first manually to prevent that too
> Oh Well thats enough on this subject for me so i will let the EXPERTS have
> it from here on out
> gordon
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:58:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: "J. Allison" yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Brake Line Thread Death!!!

-snip-
>$26 for new ones.I would pay that for my safety.Isn't
your life worth $52???
-snip-
>Thanks for all the info, I didn't really mean to
>create such a stir amongst the community...

Oh... As a group we just get totally anal sometimes.
No cause for alarm :)

(Now can we ditch this moronic thread PLEASE!) Flame
proof suit zipped up... J. Allison


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From: "rich" exis.net>
Subject: Re: Other '78 F250 Questions
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:45:18 -0400



> And just where do we get this FR12? Sounds like a great thing. I don't
> care for the R134. Are there any web-sites that we can look at?
>
> Thanks for letting us know about it.
>
FR12 I believe also goes by 416A and FRIGC.

Try this link
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.frigc.com/order.htm

Or this one
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.refrigerantsales.com/

They claim Cooltop is a replacement for134A. Cools about like R12. Who
knows. They also claim Autofrost is a replacement for R12. Again who
know's. Could all be snake oil as far as I know. Any help here list?

Rich


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From: "Gary Perry" fwi.com>
Subject: Freon
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:42:42 -0500

That FR-12 you guys talking about may be the same stuff that was in papers
last year that ignited real easy and would damage your systems by blowing
hoses
or even metal tubes. Seems it has some dangerous gas in it. Just a backyard
fix that happened to work for some of the people, not everyone.

G. L. Perry
Huntington, IN
54 Chevy 2-ton (driver)
50 Chevy COE (project)
MM Jet Star 3 Super (tractor)


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From: "rich" exis.net>
Subject: Re: Freon
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:21:39 -0400


From: Gary Perry fwi.com>

> That FR-12 you guys talking about may be the same stuff that was in papers
> last year that ignited real easy and would damage your systems by blowing
> hoses
> or even metal tubes. Seems it has some dangerous gas in it. Just a
backyard
> fix that happened to work for some of the people, not everyone.
>

I read something similar. Depending on the temperature, you can get high
pressure spikes in your system. That's why I'm looking for the list's
oppinions. If this is due to flamability, not sure. I know some of the R12
replacements or "mixes" used to be flamable. Not sure if that has changed
by now or not.

Rich


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From: JJJJJGRANTaol.com
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:13:55 EDT
Subject: 78 f250 SWB, supercab for sale


a friend has a 78 f250 for sale, it is a supercab, short wheel base,
originally had a 351m but now has a 460, c6 automatic, power steering,
working AC, cruise control,
swing out rear windows, its a little banged up, but nothing serious. he
drives it every day. he's asking 3000.00 for it, but i believe it could be
had for 2500.00. seems to be a rare truck, i don't remember seeing a f250
swb, supercab.

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From: "Tim Neasham" 3-cities.com>
Subject: Paint Oxidation...
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:27:56 -0700


I've got a pretty nice '69 F-250 with the original paint job, but it's
oxidized to hell... What's the best way to strip the oxidation without
hurting the paint? I'm thinking about hiring it done, but not sure if the
cost is worth it. Any suggestions...


Tim Neasham
Benton City, Washington
'69 F-250 Camper Special


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From: "Steve and Fran" offspringnet.net>
Subject: Re: Other '78 F250 Questions
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:09:12 -0600

Gentlemen, thanks for the answers. I'm trying to fix things now.

Steve S.


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From: "Steve and Fran" offspringnet.net>
Subject: Body work in Colorado
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:11:02 -0600

I'd like to have some rust cut out and get a paint job on my '78. I'm not
lookin' to spend a fortune, just keep the truck looking respectable. Any
suggestions (in Colorado, preferably close to Colorado Springs).

Steve Smith


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From: "Bill Beyer" home.com>
Subject: Oh man, you FEnatics have got to see these...
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:12:40 -0700

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=379353695

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"





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From: "G & J Boling" alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Freon
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 03:34:24 -0700

NO fr 12 is not the stuff that was blowing up
what you are speaking of was a propane mix fr 12 does not have that in it
and is safe
gordon
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> I read something similar. Depending on the temperature, you can get high
> pressure spikes in your system. That's why I'm looking for the list's
> oppinions. If this is due to flamability, not sure. I know some of the
R12
> replacements or "mixes" used to be flamable. Not sure if that has
changed
> by now or not.
>
> Rich
>
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From: "G & J Boling" alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Paint Oxidation...
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 03:36:43 -0700


> I've got a pretty nice '69 F-250 with the original paint job, but it's
> oxidized to hell... What's the best way to strip the oxidation without
> hurting the paint? I'm thinking about hiring it done, but not sure if
the
> cost is worth it. Any suggestions...
Tim Neasham
=======================================
machine rubbing compound works best but if youve never used it take it to a
pro
gordon

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From: "G & J Boling" alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Oh man, you FEnatics have got to see these...
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 03:40:45 -0700


the medium riser heads were NOT expierimental as the seller says on that ad
but they are made by a good mfgr. DOVE and will improve things allot
gordon

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