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Received: with LISTAR (v0.128a; list 61-79-list); Thu, 24 Feb 2000 03:59:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 03:59:43 -0500 (EST) From: Ford Truck Enthusiasts List Server To: 61-79-list digest users Reply-to: 61-79-list  ford-trucks.com Subject: 61-79-list Digest V2000 #15 Precedence: bulk ========================================================== Ford Truck Enthusiasts 1961-1979 Truck Mailing List Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ 61-79-list Digest Wed, 23 Feb 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 015 In This Issue: ADMIN: Searchable mailing list archives now online! Re: Pulling to the right Re: Anyone have Deacon's address? Re: Worth anything to anyone? Re: 352 timing chain Re: 400's Retarded Cam 292 not getting fire Re: 352 timing chain Re: First Timer --- Holley 4bbl Re: Pulling to the right Re: sounds of my truck with the new cam Re: 292 not getting fire fuel prices Re: Choke Thermostats 101 Re: 292 not getting fire Do 64 and 65 fenders interchange? POWER STEERING HOSE WOES Re: Do 64 and 65 fenders interchange? Re: Do 64 and 65 fenders interchange? Re: Do 64 and 65 fenders interchange? Re: sounds of my truck with the new cam Re: C-6 Tranny Re: Do 64 and 65 fenders interchange? Re: More on Replacement floor panels ? Re: Do 64 and 65 fenders interchange? Re: Do 64 and 65 fenders interchange? Re: Do 64 and 65 fenders interchange? Re: fuel prices Re: parting out 78 f150 Gun, 51, saves man, 83 Re: fuel prices Re: car prices ADMIN: Unavailable, death in the family Re: ADMIN: Unavailable, death in the family Bronco body on a Scout frame? Bronco body on a Scout frame? Re: Bronco body on a Scout frame? Re: ADMIN: Unavailable, death in the family F-E with a Q-jet? Re: ADMIN: Unavailable, death in the family What is it? Re: C-6 Tranny Re: C-6 Tranny Cab mounts Re: POWER STEERING HOSE WOES Re: car prices ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 07:43:04 -0500 From: Ken Payne Subject: ADMIN: Searchable mailing list archives now online! The mailing list archive, containing over 120,000 postings, has been placed on the web site. They can be searched, but not browsed via an index (to stop spam email address harvesters). Its missing the last month of archives, but these will be up soon and a system will be put in place to keep the search "live" with the latest archives. You'll find the search to be very fast, off peak search is about 3-5 seconds for 250+ meg of archives, peak is about 6-10 seconds. Amazing what 256 meg of RAM will do for a system! This was one of the many items I promised to give everyone when FTE moved to the new server. More features for the users are on the way, as soon as I fix a few problems a small number of users are having. :-) The search can be found at: http://www.ford-trucks.com/archives/index.html Enjoy! ------------------------------ From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: Re: Pulling to the right Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 07:50:52 -0500 In the morning you have dew on the parts and not necessarily evenly distrubuted due to wind or sun etc.. Any moisture on the pads or shoes will make them grab. Rust will make them grab, oil will do this too but eventually oil will make them much less effective too. When you back up and hit the brakes hard you force the adjuster to move the star wheel one or two teeth tighter. When the shoes are already tight or within a certain range of the drum the lever will not move the star wheel so there is no more adjustment again until the shoes/drums wear a little. If you do this repeadedly you eventually get both rear wheels approximately the same tension relative to the drums. This does bring them into a sort of balance but I never really looked at it that way :-) I have never had a vehicle with self adjusting rear brakes that did not need an occasional tweak by hand with the old brake spoon to keep them really balanced for such conditions as icy surfaces etc.. (yes I do remember when they didn't have adjusters on them :-)) -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- >What's going on here? This morning whenever I'd hit the brakes, the >truck would pull very strongly to the left. It does this sometimes, > >Another question: When you "balance the brakes" by backing up and >braking a couple of times, what exactly are you doing? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 07:54:58 -0500 From: Ken Payne Subject: Re: Anyone have Deacon's address? At 01:02 AM 2/23/00 -0800, you wrote: >Sure, I have it. :] I'm using my earthlink server until I can get my >ford-trucks working. I didn't want to bother you during the change over. > > >Later! > >Deacon Thanks bro, I was getting worried because I knew your address didn't work and I couldn't find your other address. I'll email you tonight! We FTE'rs stick together! Ken ------------------------------ From: BanksRVA aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:58:07 EST Subject: Re: Worth anything to anyone? Hey Folks, I have an 82 E250 that I am getting rid of. It has a 400 (threw a rod), C6 (condition unknown), good rear end, glass, etc.. If anyone has any interest in anything, contact me at BanksRVA aol.com. I am located in Virginia. Joe ------------------------------ From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: Re: 352 timing chain Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 09:04:13 -0500 I always use anti-seize on the snout so it comes off easily next time. Some seal at the washer, some at the shoulder on the crank so "some" will rust on and be very difficult to get back off. As for the timing marks, they are all different and some do use the locator pin as the cam mark, some have an arrow etched in the gear and some use a dimple. Some crank gears have no mark and the key way is the mark. Look them over very carefully for dimples first, then etched arrows, then scribed lines.....if all else fails then use the dowl and crank keyway as marks. The cam can not be 180 out since the cam turns at 1/2 crank speed but the crank can be since this would put it at 90 degrees to the cam instead of 180, make sense? If you have not removed the cam or the dizzy, cam timing is a cinch, move the crank till the mark (or keyway) points up and move the cam til the rotor lines up with number one plug contact in the cap. Now look for any kind of mark that appears to be lined up with the crank and fine tune the alignment as you install the chain. If the dizzy has been removed then you have less to go on but still may be able to discern something that acts as a mark. One 2300 I had was tough because there were two slots about 20 degrees apart and a third one about 90 degrees from them......I believe this turned out to be one of those with the dowl acting as the mark, not sure now. One I had had holes all around but one of them had a little arrow pointer cast into it..... -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- >get the harmonic balancer off, which always means i need a >bigger wrench, >question is how shuld i go about puytting the new one on >anything special, >because i know it shouldnt be going this smoothly (ya know ------------------------------ From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: Re: 400's Retarded Cam Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 09:06:25 -0500 Time the cam straight up. All cranks I remember looking at with the timing in mind seem to line the crank keyway up with tdc. If the dimple is not located at the keyway but maybe a tooth or two off this may be your clue :-) -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- >Ive heard that Ford decided to retard teh camshaft timing for >most of the >years the 400's were produced. DOes anybody have teh specs on >how much it was >retarded? ------------------------------ From: "Moore, Jimmy" Subject: 292 not getting fire Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:18:37 -0600 I have the 1964 Ford F-100 with the 292 V8 in it. I replaced the plugs, wires, distributor cap/rotor, and yet I still do not get any fire. Does anyone have any other suggestions? I know I'm not getting fire because while cranking, I pulled a plug wire and held it close to the manifold, and there was no spark. Thanks, Jim Moore Jim Moore 1981 Ford F-150 300 Six 1964 Ford F-100 292 Oklahoma City, OK ------------------------------ From: "William S. Hart" Subject: Re: 352 timing chain Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:25:02 -0600 > As for the timing marks, they are all different and some do use > the locator > pin as the cam mark, some have an arrow etched in the gear and some use a > dimple. This is how my gearset for my 360 was ... dimples ... seems like 2, suppose I could check the old gearset (why on earth did I keep that?) > The cam can not be 180 out since the cam turns at 1/2 crank speed but the > crank can be since this would put it at 90 degrees to the cam instead of > 180, make sense? Nope, not at all .... if the crank is 180 out ...then its back to 0 'cause there's only 4 strokes and the short block really doesn't care if its on the compression or exhaust strokes ... and I don't understand how you could get it 90 out unless you were reading the wrong timing marks or moved the cam independant of the crank ... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish ------------------------------ From: "William S. Hart" Subject: Re: First Timer --- Holley 4bbl Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:30:52 -0600 > I just replace the choke tube which was flanged to the Intake > manifold (??) just > below the choke. Just an FYI, I picked up a Mustangs Unlimited catalog last night ... they sent me the 65-73 catalog despite my claim of having a 96 (*shrug* who understands) ...anyway I noticed they sell a couple of really cool things ... first is choke tubes pre bent and with the sleeve over them ... might not be exactly the same for a truck but could likely be close enough to work ... ($15 ?) And the other thing was a fuel pump to carb line ... these are always interesting to try and make, now they have em for ya, if you need that sort of thing ... No experience with them really, just passin along some info. Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish ------------------------------ From: "William S. Hart" Subject: Re: Pulling to the right Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:33:35 -0600 > What's going on here? This morning whenever I'd hit the brakes, the > truck would pull very strongly to the left. It does this sometimes, > either to the left or the right, depending on its mood. Sounds to me like you've got a wheel-cylinder hanging up ... usually its the one opposite of the way it pulls, depending on the pull of course ... our 69 'stang has that problem, it'll spin the steering wheel 1.5 times around if you're not holding onto it ... our problem is a stuck right cylinder (causes it to not brake) and a grabby left one (causes it to not and then suddenly come on full) ... check to see if there are any traces of fluid down the inside of the wheels, that will indicate a leaky one which would definitely cause problems ... On my truck the front left is always the first to lock up, but then again my truck's always been a different one... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish ------------------------------ From: "William S. Hart" Subject: Re: sounds of my truck with the new cam Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:35:56 -0600 > Some of you might remember me talking about which cam to buy on the list > a while back, well anyway I finally got a 272 crane cam installed and > just posted a wav file of my truck on my web site. Check it out and > tell me what you think... > Heh ... sounds pretty good :) What are you runnin for exhaust ? Seems quite a bit louder than mine, but the same notes in there, I'd guess maybe some headers and cherry bombs, with a full exhaust going all the way out the back ? Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish ------------------------------ From: "William S. Hart" Subject: Re: 292 not getting fire Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:37:47 -0600 > I have the 1964 Ford F-100 with the 292 V8 in it. I replaced the plugs, > wires, distributor cap/rotor, and yet I still do not get any fire. Does > anyone have any other suggestions? I know I'm not getting fire because > while cranking, I pulled a plug wire and held it close to the > manifold, and > there was no spark. > Points and condensor ? Have you checked them to be sure they aren't shot (the points at least, its a matter of course to put the condensor in at the same time)... http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/Tech/Tuneup/tune.html Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish ------------------------------ From: "Don Jones" Subject: fuel prices Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 06:56:18 PST The Price of premiun unleaded has just hit 82˘ a litre here (about $3.00 US gallon). Regular is 72˘ a litre. My truck will run on regular, but its not really happy with it. It pings under moderate accelleration. Any ideas on tuning for lower quality gas, besides retarding the timing or lowering the compression? Will an electronic igniton make much difference? Colder heat range spark plugs was one suggestion I got. I have a 1970 f-250 4x4 with a 360 4 speed 78,000 miles (at 10 mpg thats 7,800 gallons of gas in the last 30 years!!) Don Jones 1970 f-250 4x4 ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: Re: Choke Thermostats 101 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:03:47 -0500 What I call the choke "cap" is heated by the 12v input via a heater element cast into the cap and attached to the coil spring. What I call the choke "stove" is the part that makes hot air to go into the choke cap/housing to heat the spring once the engine warms up and maintain the temp even when you shut it off for a while. Some engines, small ones especially use coolant flow to keep it hot but the electric to initially open it so it can be opened a little sooner. If you connect a multimeter to the terminal of the choke cap and battery ground you should read something less than battery voltage but as the cap warms up the voltage will climb due to less draw from the heater. When the heater is at full boil the voltage should be virtually the same as the battery. This is with all components hooked up and ignition turned on, of course :-) If it comes off too fast it may be shorted and need replacement or you may need to add a ballast resistor to slow it down but don't get carried away.....I used 0.7 ohms and knocked the voltage down to 9.7. At 8v the coil never opened at all. The fast idle uses a lever attached to the throttle shaft in some manner to engage a stepped "cam" which either falls away as the choke opens or is pulled away by the choke linkage to release the throttle shaft which is then controlled by the idle speed screw. Some are adjustable, some are just a lever with no adjustment and some of these can be bent slightly to adjust the speed. Most cams have a link to the choke plate shaft which can be bent to adjust the point where the speed changes etc. too. -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- >not. I have an electric choke, and the prescribed voltage is >at the terminals >when the ignition is on. > >Is the choked activated by electric heating, the choke stove, or both? > >The fast idle doesn't. I guess I will have to spend some time >figuring this >out. ------------------------------ From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: Re: 292 not getting fire Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 11:07:19 -0500 With points it's very easy to test each part progressively for spark: Remove the dizzy cap, pull the coil wire from it, rotate the engine till the points are completely closed but where you can rotate the rotor and make them open. Now turn on the ignition, put the coil wire, cap end near a ground (with insulated pliers of course) and open and close the points. If all your efforts do not result in a spark at the coil wire secondary, also look at the points themselves to be sure there is a spark jumping there when you open them. From this simple test you can determine if you have primary power to the points and thus through the coil and also check coil operation. If this is working then the cap, rotor or plug wires can be the problem etc.... -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- >I have the 1964 Ford F-100 with the 292 V8 in it. I replaced >the plugs, >wires, distributor cap/rotor, and yet I still do not get any >fire. ------------------------------ From: nukegm ford-trucks.com Subject: Do 64 and 65 fenders interchange? Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:10:35 -0800 I have a buddy who needs a 64 left hand fender. I have found a cherry 65 left fender and need to know if these parts interchange. For some reason, I was thinking they were different - any help is appreciated. Thanks, Stu Nuke GM! ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ From: prozell oaielectronics.com (OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell) Subject: POWER STEERING HOSE WOES Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:35:04 -0600 HI ALL, I INSTALED POWER STEERING ON MY 65 F100. AND AM IN NEED OF A PRESSURE HOSE FOR MY TRUCK. HAS ANY ONE ON THE LIST INSTALLED POWER STEERING ON A 65???? IF SO WHAT HOSE WILL FIT THE APPLICATION. THE PUMP IS ON A 460. ANY HELP WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. PAUL 65 F100 460 C6(UNDER CONSTRUCTION) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 11:36:16 -0500 From: Ted Wnorowski Subject: Re: Do 64 and 65 fenders interchange? I was under the same impression. Unless I'm not using it correctly, my Hollander Manual says no. '61-'64 for 15" or 16" wheels is part # C2TZ16005C. In a separate listing it shows the '65-'66 by itself. C2TZ16005E is the part #. BTW this manual is a reprint from Hollander and has "current" prices. The '61-'64 should cost $49.45, the '65-'66 are also listed at $49.45. : ) Ted Wnorowski Bellevue,OH '64 F-250 nukegm ford-trucks.com wrote: > I have a buddy who needs a 64 left hand fender. I have found > a cherry 65 left fender and need to know if these > parts interchange. For some reason, I was thinking they were > different - any help is appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Stu > Nuke GM! > > ----- > Sent using MailStart.com ( http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) > The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with > the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the body of the > message. ------------------------------ From: prozell oaielectronics.com (OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell) Subject: Re: Do 64 and 65 fenders interchange? Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 11:01:32 -0600 Ted, This is a little off of the subject but where did you get the Hollanders manual??? I have heard about them but did not know where to get one. I would be greatly appreciative if you can help. Paul Tulsa, Ok 65 F100 460 C6 ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Wnorowski To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 10:36 AM Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Do 64 and 65 fenders interchange? > I was under the same impression. Unless I'm not using it correctly, my Hollander Manual says no. '61-'64 for 15" or 16" wheels is part # C2TZ16005C. In a separate listing it shows the '65-'66 by itself. C2TZ16005E is the part #. > BTW this manual is a reprint from Hollander and has "current" prices. The '61-'64 should cost $49.45, the '65-'66 are also listed at $49.45. : ) > > Ted Wnorowski > Bellevue,OH > '64 F-250 > > nukegm ford-trucks.com wrote: > > > I have a buddy who needs a 64 left hand fender. I have found > > a cherry 65 left fender and need to know if these > > parts interchange. For some reason, I was thinking they were > > different - any help is appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Stu > > Nuke GM! > > > > ----- > > Sent using MailStart.com ( http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) > > The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! > > > > ========================================================== > > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with > > the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the body of the > > message. > > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with > the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the body of the > message. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 12:01:18 -0500 From: Ted Wnorowski Subject: Re: Do 64 and 65 fenders interchange? I ordered it directly from here: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hollander-auto-parts.com/ Ted OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell wrote: > Ted, > This is a little off of the subject but where did you get the Hollanders > manual??? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:27:53 -0900 From: "Matthew Schumacher" Subject: Re: sounds of my truck with the new cam Wish, Actually I have stock exhaust manifolds running straight dual exhaust to some cheap NAPA turbo mufflers. I am hoping to get some headers soon, but I have IM laws to deal with. Believe it or not my truck is still IM legal with that cam in it. schu "William S. Hart" wrote: > > > Some of you might remember me talking about which cam to buy on the list > > a while back, well anyway I finally got a 272 crane cam installed and > > just posted a wav file of my truck on my web site. Check it out and > > tell me what you think... > > > > Heh ... sounds pretty good :) What are you runnin for exhaust ? Seems > quite a bit louder than mine, but the same notes in there, I'd guess maybe > some headers and cherry bombs, with a full exhaust going all the way out the > back ? > > Just my $.02 > wish > > 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L > 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with > the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the body of the > message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 09:30:00 -0800 From: Don Mears Subject: Re: C-6 Tranny Does anybody have a rebuilt C-6 in the greater Puget Sound area? I am in need of a C-6 real bad. Thanks. Don ------------------------------ From: Natp244 cs.com Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 12:41:49 EST Subject: Re: Do 64 and 65 fenders interchange? As somebody has already answered, they do not. Though they look the same from the outside, the inside is where the dieeference is evident. The 65 incorporated what seems to be an attempt at a hood support along the top of the inner fender. The 65-66 are straight along the top of the inner fenders, where the 61-64 are curved. Nate 1964 F-100 Custom Cab 292 V-8 1964 F-100 292 V-8 1990 F-150 XLT Lariat 5.8L P.S.- Hi, everybody! I'm new to this list- been reading along for a couple of weeks now. I'll be doing a lot more reading than writing anyway. I've really enjoyed the conversations so far. ------------------------------ From: oldfords63 juno.com Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 13:13:01 -0600 Subject: Re: More on Replacement floor panels ? >"Peters, Gary (G.R.)" writes: > Floors are pretty easy to make from scratch if you have welding skills but>>>>>>>> >------------------------------------------------------- Yeah Gary, that's what I had to do on me 64 and it's not that bad if you have and can use a MIG welder, but it would be nice to have the same availability as some of the older Fords and virtually ALL the "Generals" trucks. That wouldn't get you away from needing a welder, but at least it would look real nice when finished. Phil ________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 11:01:59 -0800 From: Don Grossman Subject: Re: Do 64 and 65 fenders interchange? >As somebody has already answered, they do not. Though they look the same >from the outside, the inside is where the dieeference is evident. The 65 >incorporated what seems to be an attempt at a hood support along the top of >the inner fender. The 65-66 are straight along the top of the inner fenders, >where the 61-64 are curved. > >Nate Not to burst any bubbles here but the inner and outer fenders should bolt to each other. I have a set of 65 inner fenders and radiator support I am going to use on my 63. The outer fender are going back on and are 63 fenders. Almost all the holes match right up. the only ones that are not right are the two in the rear. Here is a pic for verification. Pleases excuse the mess as I have been working lots of weird hours, winter wether, life in general. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacific.net/~duckdon/fender.htm laters Don Grossman 43 GPW 63 F-100 4x4 77 F-250 99 Contour -- ------------------------------ From: oldfords63 juno.com Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:21:39 -0600 Subject: Re: Do 64 and 65 fenders interchange? Don Grossman writes: > Not to burst any bubbles here but the inner and outer fenders should bolt to each other. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Don- I'd always thought they were the same too. The only difference being the wheel opening size for the early 4x4's. ( I'd always assumed those are the ones with the different part number.) Anybody ?? Later,Phil (64 w/ mixed fenders) ________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: Natp244 cs.com Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:56:14 EST Subject: Re: Do 64 and 65 fenders interchange? okay, my bad- it seems they do interchange after all. I just though I rememberd running up against a brick wall when I tried to do that on my 64- but I guess my memory served me badly. Sorry for the confusion- I'll go back to reading again for a little while!! Thanks to everyone for keeping me strait. Nate ------------------------------ From: L7514 aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:11:48 EST Subject: Re: fuel prices Just a suggestion that would probably be the easiest. Try a gasoline octane booster. It works good and relatively cheap to use. Lance ------------------------------ From: L7514 aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:17:07 EST Subject: Re: parting out 78 f150 Anyone know if this 78 has a body on it? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:14:29 -0700 From: "Kiernan, Denny" Subject: Gun, 51, saves man, 83 Excerpts from a story in the SF Examiner, about an old guy shooting a burglar dead, > Gun, 51, saves man, 83 > Feb. 22, 2000 > URL: > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/examiner/archive/2000/02/22/NEWS13168.dtl > > Long-neglected revolver kills armed intruder in > retiree's HuntersPoint home . . . > He bought the .38-caliber Smith & Wesson 51 years ago and by his own > reckoning fired it only seven or eight times - and not at all for about 30 > years. He rarely oiled the weapon and, for decades, just left it beneath a > rug under his bed. . . . > Parker said he might have fired the gun once in the 1970s but wasn't > sure. His maintenance of the gun was sporadic. He used transmission > fluid instead of gun oil as a lubricant. I wonder what type of transmission fluid he used? Or how about filling your transmission with gun oil? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:08:04 -0500 From: "G.T. Herpich" Subject: Re: fuel prices My '71 360 ran on regular even with 16 degrees lead. Maybe you have a serious carbon build up. I just yanked the 360 in favor of a 390 and pulled a head to check the bore. No carbon at all (the way I drive it's no wonder:). The c/r is is the 7s, I think, and there shouldn't be any problem running regular. If pinging does not occur until vacuum rises you may be able to tune it out by adjusting the vacuum advance. You can do this by taking the vacuum hose off and inserting the proper size allen wrench into the unit. Clockwise will lessen the amount of advance. A timing light with a dial can be used to keep track of your progress, or, start by turning the adjuster all the way in while counting turns so you have a reference point to go back to. If, when at cruising speed, you give it a little gas and that's when it pings vacuum advance adj could cure it. At 3.00 a gallon my bet would be carbon because you probably keep your foot out of it for the most part, right? At 78,000 it shouldn't be using any oil but that will build carbon fast. Don Jones wrote: > > The Price of premiun unleaded has just hit 82˘ a litre here (about $3.00 US > gallon). Regular is 72˘ a litre. > My truck will run on regular, but its not really happy with it. It pings > under moderate accelleration. > Any ideas on tuning for lower quality gas, besides retarding the timing or > lowering the compression? Will an electronic igniton make much difference? > Colder heat range spark plugs was one suggestion I got. I have a 1970 f-250 > 4x4 with a 360 4 speed 78,000 miles (at 10 mpg thats 7,800 gallons of gas > in the last 30 years!!) > > Don Jones > 1970 f-250 4x4 > > ______________________________________________________ > > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with > the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the body of the > message. ------------------------------ From: NUTCH11 aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 18:05:23 EST Subject: Re: car prices hi I n 1939 a brand new 1939 ford convertable cost $700. in 1956 a new t-bird was around 3200 (new one is around $40,000) a 1965 mustang was around $2500 for a v-8 model you could buy a new 1962 dodge 426 wedge with a 4-speed fpr $2200. interestingly i think is that gasoline was around .32 per gallon in 1965 (hi-test) today right now hi-test is around $1.60 and that's only in the last few months gas has gone up (if you use today's figures) only 5 times and cars have gone up 10 times ( pick-ups have gone up much more than that). we gripe about price of gas and have no problem going out to get a new car???????????? housing is more 10 times what it was in the mid 60's. minimum wages are up 5 times ?????????? nutch ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:02:57 -0500 From: Ken Payne Subject: ADMIN: Unavailable, death in the family Due to a death in the family, all replies to emails sent to the Ford Truck Enthusiasts admin (me) will be delayed until Monday, Feb. 28. I apologize for an inconvenience this may cause subscribers to our mailing lists, message board users and web store purchases. Please exercise some patience with me if you have problems unsubscribing or with other list problems --- naturally, the web site is not my #1 priority right now. I would appreciate it if some of the list old timers would keep an eye on things for me and help anyone out in any capacity that you can. You guys/gals have a great community and I trust you with it. Regards, Ken Payne Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts ------------------------------ From: "Jerry Godsey" Subject: Re: ADMIN: Unavailable, death in the family Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:30:16 -0800 Ken, our prayers are with you and your family... Blessings, Jerry Godsey www.geocities.com/view_from_pew ------------------------------ From: "Robert Werner" Subject: Bronco body on a Scout frame? Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 02:59:03 +0000 I just heard of a IHC Scout for sale near me w/ a 302 in it and a bad body. I was wondering if you could stick an early bronc body on that frame, and I could just junk the body. I'd ruther keep it all the same(all ford or all IHC), but since I'm just a mere high school student with limited money and time ( the dunes open april 1), I'll have to take what I can get. Thanks, Robert P.S. I'm thinkin maybe a glass body would be good, anybody got an info on them? ------------------------------ From: "Robert Werner" Subject: Bronco body on a Scout frame? Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 02:59:00 +0000 I just heard of a IHC Scout for sale near me w/ a 302 in it and a bad body. I was wondering if you could stick an early bronc body on that frame, and I could just junk the body. I'd ruther keep it all the same(all ford or all IHC), but since I'm just a mere high school student with limited money and time ( the dunes open april 1), I'll have to take what I can get. Thanks, Robert P.S. I'm thinkin maybe a glass body would be good, anybody got an info on them? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 21:25:02 -0800 From: wicowboy Subject: Re: Bronco body on a Scout frame? Robert Werner wrote: > > I just heard of a IHC Scout for sale near me w/ a 302 in it and a bad body. I was wondering if you could stick an early bronc body on that frame, and I could just junk the body. I'd ruther keep it all the same(all ford or all IHC), but since I'm just a mere high school student with limited money and time ( the dunes open april 1), I'll have to take what I can get. Thanks, Robert > > P.S. I'm thinkin maybe a glass body would be good, anybody got an info on them? Which dunes, where you from? Just curious if maybe I'd have a new wheelin' buddy if you were talkin about Michigan.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:30:19 -0700 From: "Kiernan, Denny" Subject: Re: ADMIN: Unavailable, death in the family I'm very sorry to hear the sad news, Ken. I've only been on the list a short time, but I feel that I know you and share your loss. Denny ------------------------------ From: pdesanto Cinergy.com Subject: F-E with a Q-jet? Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 22:24:35 -0500 ¤¤Subject: 4V FE blocks ? ¤¤I just came across a 77 F250 Highboy for sale motor has been ¤¤swapped to an FE block of some kind. Only distinguishing ¤¤feature is it has a factory Ford intake set up for a ¤¤Rochestor quadrajet carb. Thanks.... Danny Ling ¤¤================================================ Danny, I've never seen an FE with a stock Q-jet intake but a lot of T-birds with 429's got them in the early 70's, I just can't remember the exact years now. Maybe big Fords and Lincoln's too.....just can't remember. ------------------------------ From: Natp244 cs.com Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 22:57:55 EST Subject: Re: ADMIN: Unavailable, death in the family Ken, As some have already expressed, our hearts go out to you and your family. I can only speak for myself in guaranteeing you that my prayers are with you all. I have already, and will continue, to ask God's consoling grace to be shed on each member of your family. May he use this unfortunate circumstance to further demonstrate His love, care, and protection of His children. As a pastor, I have seen the devastation that a death brings to a family that isn't trusting in the Lord for sustaining grace, and I have also seen the power of that grace work among those families that did look to Him in their loss. Trust in Him and He will see you through. Rom 8:28. Psalm 116:15 Blessings and prayers, Nate 64 ------------------------------ From: "Christopher Worley" Subject: What is it? Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:01:25 PST I am currently rebuilding a 352 I have it all apart and was starting to prep the block, when I removed all the grease I noticed some numbers written in yellow above the lifters, each number was right behind a cylinder, they read : left side "3 3 2 4" right side: "4 4 5 6" what is this. Chris '67 F100 352 '72 F100 390 (for sale) ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: SHill48337 aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 23:19:52 EST Subject: Re: C-6 Tranny In a message dated 2/23/00 12:30:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, dmears USWEST.NET writes: << Does anybody have a rebuilt C-6 in the greater Puget Sound area? I am in need of a C-6 real bad. Thanks. Don >> What engine does it have to fit up to? Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460 ------------------------------ From: "Mike Pacheco" Subject: Re: C-6 Tranny Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:41:24 -0800 Try Seattle Transmission in Seattle -----Original Message----- From: 61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com[mailto:61-79-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf OfSHill48337 aol.comSent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 8:20 PM To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.comSubject: [61-79-list] Re: C-6 Tranny In a message dated 2/23/00 12:30:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, dmears USWEST.NET writes:<< Does anybody have a rebuilt C-6 in the greater Puget Sound area? I am in need of a C-6 real bad. Thanks. Don >> What engine does it have to fit up to? Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460 ========================================================== To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com withthe words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 23:24:46 -0500 Subject: Cab mounts From: Jeff Simmons Hi Ford Fans, I was just wondering what other 65' to 79' owners do to repair those darn cab mounts. On my 65' and 68' I just welded pieces in to the height right. Looked bad. On my 71' I went to the salvage yard and cut out a pair that wasn't in to bad of shape. I then cut what rust there was out, and welded new metal in its place. now you have to look real close to see that there not the originals. Has anyone else done it this way or what other ways are there. I don't like those cheap looking after market ones. You never know I might have to make a career repairing cab mounts. Jeff in KC ________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 22:44:45 -0500 Subject: Re: POWER STEERING HOSE WOES From: Jeff Simmons Paul, I put power steering on all my trucks 65' 68' 71' I just got the pressure hose for any 70's truck, There is two style pumps used, The round Ford style and the General Maintenance style (you know G.M.) On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:35:04 -0600 prozell oaielectronics.com (OAIElectronics: Paul Rozell) writes: > HI ALL, > I INSTALED POWER STEERING ON MY 65 F100. AND AM IN NEED OF A > PRESSURE HOSE > FOR MY TRUCK. HAS ANY ONE ON THE LIST INSTALLED POWER STEERING ON A > 65???? > IF SO WHAT HOSE WILL FIT THE APPLICATION. THE PUMP IS ON A 460. ANY > HELP > WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. > > PAUL > 65 F100 460 C6(UNDER CONSTRUCTION) > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with> the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the body of the > message. > ________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:23:35 -0700 From: "Kiernan, Denny" Subject: Re: car prices NUTCH11 aol.com wrote:> a 1965 mustang was around $2500 for a v-8 model > interestingly i think is that gasoline was around .32 per gallon in 1965 > (hi-test) > today right now hi-test is around $1.60 and that's only in the last few months > gas has gone up (if you use today's figures) only 5 times and cars have gone > up 10 > times ( pick-ups have gone up much more than that). we gripe about price of > gas > and have no problem going out to get a new car???????????? > housing is more 10 times what it was in the mid 60's. minimum wages are up 5 > times ?????????? These figures are pretty much right, I think. In 1965, minimum wage was $1.25. Inflation since then is about 1 to 5.22, according to the Labor Dept. So the min. wage now should be $6.50, but it's only $5.15(?) The 32 cent Gas should be $1.67 The $2500 Mustang shd be $13,000. I remember paying $4 for new shirts at a fancy men's store in New York. That would be $21 now -- but aint. Rent on a 1 bedroom apartment in Greenwich Village was $150/month. That shd be $780 now, but I've heard that the same apt now goes for over $1000. I'd be interested in knowing what the average car mechanic or car factory worker made in '65, compared to now. I have the idea that with all the technological advances, and the exporting of jobs overseas, the working person is now no better off as to wages, and is paying the same or higher for most of the basic necessities. ------------------------------ End of 61-79-list Digest V2000 #15 ********************************** ---------------------------------------------------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts 1961-1979 Truck Mailing List Send posts to small-list ford-trucks.comIf you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, send an email to: listar ford-trucks.comwith the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the message. Visit Our Web Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com ---------------------------------------------------------- .... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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