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Received: with LISTAR (v0.128a; list 61-79-list); Mon, 03 Jul 2000 00:01:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 00:01:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Ford Truck Enthusiasts List Server To: 61-79-list digest users Reply-to: 61-79-list  ford-trucks.com Subject: 61-79-list Digest V2000 #145 Precedence: list ========================================================== Ford Truck Enthusiasts 1961-1979 Truck Mailing List Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ 61-79-list Digest Sun, 02 Jul 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 145 In This Issue: Re: 352 Blown Exhaust Manifold Gasket Re: 352 Blown Exhaust Manifold Gasket Re: FE Head question Re: FE Head question Re: FE Head question Re: FE Head question Re: FE Head question Re: FE Head question Re: FE Head question 62 info Waiting for paint to dry... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "G & J Boling" Subject: Re: 352 Blown Exhaust Manifold Gasket Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 02:28:09 -0700 ---------- > From: Bill Templeton > To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com > Subject: [61-79-list] 352 Blown Exhaust Manifold Gasket > Date: Saturday, July 01, 2000 9:07 PM > > The left manifold gasket is blown on my 352. I suspect this exhaust manifold > has never been off before. And some of the bolt heads seem to be slightly > rounded. Out of concern that manifold bolts will be difficult to remove (and > possibly break) and also exhaust pipe (actually crossover) studs have > minimal threads remaining (need replacing), I am planning to pull the intake > manifold and remove the left head with exhaust manifold attached. This will > allow access to manifold bolts with the head/exhaust manifold assembly on > bench. I can then soak oil around the bolts at the head and heat head around > bolts as needed. Also, I plan to use a 36" belt sander to surface the > exhaust manifold as needed. ========================================================================== unless your a machinist and have acess to that type of tools i would not even try this myself its always CHEAPER to let them do it from start to finish than to go to them to fix something thats been messed up not only does the head need to be surfaced but the manifold does to or it will blow even more gaskets you will also need the steel gasket that goes to it also the studs are just standard studs really about any parts store should have them be sure to use brass nuts when re assembling the exhaust pipes it makes it easier to the next time to take them off gordon ------------------------------ From: "Andersons" Subject: Re: 352 Blown Exhaust Manifold Gasket Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 11:00:55 -0400 Agree that this is a tough job, but sounds to me like you can handle it. It will take LONGER doing it yourself, but it's very seldom more expensive (unless something goes _really_ wrong). I recommend the soft copper x-man gaskets, like Summit sells- they're the only kind that have ever held on my Ol*s engine. I'm looking at a head gasket replacement job on my rusty old 351M coming up soon- would like to hear how your job comes out, and any advice after the fact. Bob '77 F-150 4x4 ----- Original Message ----- From: G & J Boling To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2000 5:28 AM Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 352 Blown Exhaust Manifold Gasket > > > ---------- > > From: Bill Templeton > > To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com > > Subject: [61-79-list] 352 Blown Exhaust Manifold Gasket > > Date: Saturday, July 01, 2000 9:07 PM > > > > The left manifold gasket is blown on my 352. I suspect this exhaust > manifold > > has never been off before. And some of the bolt heads seem to be slightly > > rounded. Out of concern that manifold bolts will be difficult to remove > (and > > possibly break) and also exhaust pipe (actually crossover) studs have > > minimal threads remaining (need replacing), I am planning to pull the > intake > > manifold and remove the left head with exhaust manifold attached. This > will > > allow access to manifold bolts with the head/exhaust manifold assembly on > > bench. I can then soak oil around the bolts at the head and heat head > around > > bolts as needed. Also, I plan to use a 36" belt sander to surface the > > exhaust manifold as needed. > ========================================================================== > unless your a machinist and have acess to that type of tools i would not > even try this myself > its always CHEAPER to let them do it from start to finish than to go to > them to fix something thats been messed up > not only does the head need to be surfaced but the manifold does to or it > will blow even more gaskets you will also need the steel gasket that goes > to it also the studs are just standard studs really about any parts store > should have them be sure to use brass nuts when re assembling the exhaust > pipes it makes it easier to the next time to take them off > gordon > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe: > http://www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 > Please remove this footer when replying. > > ------------------------------ From: "Ted and Sarah Freeman" Subject: Re: FE Head question Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 18:00:43 -0400 What if anything on a D2TE head was emissions related? I'm not being argumentative, but would really like to know. Are you thinking about the heads for the CA. vehicles? Mine don't have the provisions for the smog pump. Neither set has a thermactor bump. I know some of heads had provisions for a smog pump, but I don't think either the C8 or D2 head had that provsion. Anybody know for sure??? As far as valve seats, I did put hard seats on my C8's. I don't think the D2TE's had hard seats either. According to my machinist, the way Ford (and other manufacturers) got around this was to put in hard vavles (stainless?) to allow the bi-metallic lubrication that you would otherwise get with lead. According to the guys at P&M Performance Racing Engines, the guys that did my heads, both heads flow the same air. I didn't have them flow mine, but they had done the test before. I don't have specific numbers either. Again, if you're going to rework the heads anyway, spend the $50-$60 bucks to put the seats in and run the valve you want. My C8's had several hundered thousand miles on them and the seats were in tolerance. So pounding out the seats in a street engine is relatively hard to do, that is unless you really punish one. >BUT did they have the hardened seats in them on the C8s if not you may run >into the problem of the valves burning the seats out on them And if i >recall right the C8s didnt have the same flow pattern as the D2s did seeing >as how they were i think a Non Emission Type of head for 68 unlike the D2s >were >gordon >========================================================== >To unsubscribe: >http://www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 >Please remove this footer when replying. > ------------------------------ From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick" Subject: Re: FE Head question Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 18:10:22 -0500 I have more problems burning up exhaust valves, rather than seats... :-) Jason Kendrick > My C8's had several hundered thousand miles on them and the seats were in > tolerance. So pounding out the seats in a street engine is relatively hard > to do, that is unless you really punish one. ------------------------------ From: SevnD2 aol.com Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 19:19:48 EDT Subject: Re: FE Head question In a message dated 07/02/2000 5:59:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, oldparts ford-trucks.com writes: < < What if anything on a D2TE head was emissions related? > > I have the D2TE heads with the threaded openings on the exhaust side of them. I have no idea what the system consisted of. The openings are now plugged on y heads. They were rebuilt with hardened valve seats on the exhaust side and stainless steel exhaust valves. So far they have held up well. Hope this clears things up a bit. Rollie H. Hunt ------------------------------ From: "Ted and Sarah Freeman" Subject: Re: FE Head question Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 19:37:29 -0400 Wow, that's intresting. I guess I have a set of the non-emission D2TE's. Mine don't have the openings. I guess they modified some to work in more stringent states. I learn something every day! Cool! I wonder if the emission head has the same CC? -Ted -----Original Message----- From: SevnD2 aol.com To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com> Date: Sunday, July 02, 2000 6:21 PM Subject: [61-79-list] Re: FE Head question >In a message dated 07/02/2000 5:59:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >oldparts ford-trucks.com writes: > >< < What if anything on a D2TE head was emissions related? > > > >I have the D2TE heads with the threaded openings on the exhaust side of them. >I have no idea what the system consisted of. The openings are now plugged on >y heads. They were rebuilt with hardened valve seats on the exhaust side and >stainless steel exhaust valves. So far they have held up well. > >Hope this clears things up a bit. > >Rollie H. Hunt >========================================================== >To unsubscribe: >http://www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 >Please remove this footer when replying. > ------------------------------ From: "G & J Boling" Subject: Re: FE Head question Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 21:04:01 -0700 Wow, that's intresting. I guess I have a set of the non-emission D2TE's. Mine don't have the openings. I guess they modified some to work in more stringent states. I learn something every day! Cool! I wonder if the emission head has the same CC? -Ted What if anything on a D2TE head was emissions related? >> > > > >I have the D2TE heads with the threaded openings on the exhaust side of > them. > >I have no idea what the system consisted of. The openings are now plugged > on > >y heads. They were rebuilt with hardened valve seats on the exhaust side > and > >stainless steel exhaust valves. So far they have held up well. > > > >Hope this clears things up a bit. > > > >Rollie H. Hunt > >======================================= from what i understand IF you use the hardened valves With the Hardened seats they will pound themselves into each other the D2 emission heads from what i have been told flow differently than the other non emission types something about how they are designed on the inside runners is what it is being restricted more than the C8s or earlier heads the CCs i think were the same tho anyhow gordon ------------------------------ From: "Ted and Sarah Freeman" Subject: Re: FE Head question Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 21:44:50 -0400 Hmmmm..... I would like to know what the differences are. I may take mine down and mic 'em. But just looking at them they appear the same. Of course, the naked eye can deceive. I agree with the hardened vavle and seat. But it should work fine for at least 100k or more. If you can find out what the differences are in the runners of the D2 and C8 heads, I'd like to know. Not that it makes much difference, but you've got my curiousity up. -Ted >from what i understand IF you use the hardened valves With the Hardened >seats they will pound themselves into each other >the D2 emission heads from what i have been told flow differently than the >other non emission types something about how they are designed on the >inside runners is what it is being restricted more than the C8s or earlier >heads >the CCs i think were the same tho anyhow > >gordon >========================================================== >To unsubscribe: >http://www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 >Please remove this footer when replying. > ------------------------------ From: "G & J Boling" Subject: Re: FE Head question Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 21:57:12 -0700 i cant recall as i said the exact differences there were in them but for some reason i was told the flow of the D2s were not as good tho for HI PO use at least i suppose for just plain street driving they should be okay tho as far as being good for 100,000 miles i couldnt say really it would depend on allot of things i guess really such as the type of gas your running and if you use a lead additive or not i would think for some reason they say you cannot have 2 hardened surfaces against each other tho without problems ASAP i will TRY to find out a few more things tho gordon ======================================= > Hmmmm..... I would like to know what the differences are. I may take mine down and mic 'em. But just looking at them they appear the > same. Of course, the naked eye can deceive. I agree with the hardened vavle and seat. But it should work fine for at > least 100k or more. If you can find out what the differences are in the runners of the D2 and C8 > heads, I'd like to know. Not that it makes much difference, but you've got my curiousity up. -Ted ------------------------------ From: "davidl" Subject: 62 info Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 22:39:21 -0500 Does any one out there have any info on the 61-62-63 unibodys. Like ford factory stock builds. What options were avalable? Any 4x4s built. I have seen a ford as for f250 unibodys but have not seen one. Is there any books on just these years. How much do they have in coumn with the other trucks those years cabs doors ect. Did they make a decked out model? Stuff like that Thanks for the help in advance. because someone on this list know some thing about everthing FORD Dave 61 donor unibody 8foot 62 unibody in the stages of tring to figure out what to do with it 62 almost like new and soon to be mine this week unibody 292 RED 62 parts donor unbody 77 e350 motor home 460 what else 78 f250 4x4 429 83 f250 4x4 just a 302 now dana 50 front 35 tires 4" sup 4"body 85 f250 4x4 6.9 4sp nothing new but lots of fun ------------------------------ From: "Chris Samuel" Subject: Waiting for paint to dry... Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 21:56:53 -0700 Here is an update on my adventures with my 75 Highboy. I replaced the engine mounts holding the "mystery 385" engine with some Prototype mounts I fab'd up for John in Calif. I drove the truck purty much as it was through the wet season. Four weeks ago I got tired of the oil leaks and replaced the pan gasket. While I was in there I spun the engine and pulled the crank casting number so that I could finally ID the engine. Here is what I have found thus far. By the castings the engine is (if unmolested, which I doubt) a 1970/71 11:1CR 429. It is completely intolerant of anything but 92 Octane and much prefers Ave-Gas which it sucks down to the tune of 6/7-MPG! I just ordered a set of headers from "Sanderson" that I'll check for fit before I cut the collectors off and replace em with a decent set, this will run in to a 3" dual system with a balance tube. A couple of weeks ago I pulled the front springs out and had them rebuilt to factory specs. If you go into a job and are planning on say, 3 hours to take the parts out and it takes 45 minutes... SWMBO says it will take four days to put things back together! Four days later I finally had the springs back in! Why is SWMBO always right? If you are contemplating doing this little job and are replacing the Shackle Pivot Bushing in the Frame, with a factory type, save your self a bunch of time and just cut the rivets off and knock the housing out of the frame. Take it to someone that has a Hydraulic Press and have them press the new bushing in! It really is the best way. I even honed the Housing Bore to be sure that it was straight, and on size, it had way too much interference fit as it came from the factory! One thing to be aware of in both this 75 and my 79 Bronco the back side, white plastic gage shell, has deteriorated to the point that with no more then slight finger pressure it would crumble, into DUST! The whole of the 75 housing was like this. On the 79 housing it was mostly around the light sockets. I'm guessing that there is a light-end in the plastic that is basically evaporating out leaving the plastic severely weakened. To attempt to halt this process I gave the housing several coats of white paint inside and out, to seal it. I am thinking about custom dash's and wondering if there is a market for a bolt in dash with real gauges!? On the street I like the 429! I off'd an NSX back in October on the freeway! It was so Kool to squeeze my foot down to the floor and drift that big old 4x4 into the corner and accelerate hard from a 90 MPH corner entry, out well past 125 at the exit! Yes, it was reckless and probably offends someone, but I grinned for a week, and I still do when I think about it! Well I guess that paint, should be dry by now... Later Muel ------------------------------ End of 61-79-list Digest V2000 #145 *********************************** <><><><><><> Serious Help Finding That Part! <><><><><><>.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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