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61-79-list Digest Sun, 25 Jun 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 139

In This Issue:
oil pan 302
Re: 67 fire truck
Re: 300 stuff
Sick 390 Part 2
Cross member (found)
Re: 351W vs 460
Re: Sick 390 Part 2
Re: Sick 390 Part 2
428
427
Re: Sick 390 Part 2
Tranny rebuild
Re: Sick 390 Part 2
C6 rebuild
76 SC truck for sale Ontario Canada
Re: [61-79-list]DECISION,DECISIONS
Re: 428
Re: [61-79-list]DECISION,DECISIONS
ADMIN: How have they been?
Re: Sick 390 Part 2
Re: ADMIN: How have they been?

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From: "davidl" tbcnet.com>
Subject: oil pan 302
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:51:10 -0500

Any one have a rear sump oil pan and pick up for a 302 they would like to
part with?
Need one to do motor swap.
Dave
west of chicago



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From: TBeeee aol.com
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:53:46 EDT
Subject: Re: 67 fire truck

I picked this truck up earlier this year. Low miles, virtually no rust, and
best yet, my favorite year! I'm glad you like it too.

Stock Man
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>
> when did you pick up the fire truck?? i'm green with envy!

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From: "Eric Washburn" flash.net>
Subject: Re: 300 stuff
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 00:10:47 -0500

Cool, thanks everyone, ya'll are some great people, I'd be lost if I wasn't
on this list =)


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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:43:28 -0700
From: Keith Srb ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Sick 390 Part 2

Hi gang.

74 F-250 390FE with a C-6.

You may remember that I posted a message to the list about my sick 390. If you don't, here's a short description of the problem.

I was on the freeway driving to work, running 65-70. Exited freeway and stopped at stoplight to make a left hand turn. Engine was running rough, seemed like it was missing. Light turns green, hit the gas. Truck is only running on 7 cylinders and has is down on power and vibrating like it is missing. Finished the two mile trek to work. Checked on Truck at noon, didn't see anything oblivious wrong and still missed. Had it towed home.

Well I have been chasing this problem for a while. Stated with all of the small stuff with no results. Moved on to removing one plug wire at a time from distributor. Found the dead cylinder and also notice a change in sound from the engine when I took off the wire for the number 5 cylinder. Replaced the wire, no change in the way the engine ran but I heard a snapping sound coming from the engine. Pulled the wire and put it back a few time to verify the sound. It was a snapping sound, almost like part of the insulation had worn off the wire and the spark was jumping to the engine before it reached the plug. Checked the wire, it's fine. By now it is dark, better time to work on a vehicle in the hot desert. Put the wire back and start the truck and check to see if anything jumps out at me in the dark.

Well something did jump out at me. I now know that I need a new exhaust manifold gasket because I could see the spark from the spark plug in between the head the exhaust manifold. I couldn't belive my eyes, so I had a friend of mine come over and take a look. He agreed with me, you can see the spark from the spark plug flashing between the head and the exhaust manifold.

I haven't done a compression check on this cylinder yet. I am afraid to since I figure it won't have any compression due to the exhaust valve being stuck open. I already had a bad weekend after something in the brakes broke on my 66 and I about plowed into a car at the same freeway exit Friday morning. I managed to avoid the back end of this car, but the bumper did bounce off the front tire of a fellows truck. Neither truck sustained any body damage, I may just have to pay for a front end alignment for this gentlemen. I have to call him tomorrow. Luckily he was pretty cool about the whole thing. Me on the other hand, I had to have the truck towed home since I didn't have brakes anymore. I thought I was going to loose my baby for a while. The pucker marks stayed in the seat for a while. I am beginning to think I should find an alternate route to work. Sorry for rambling.

Could there be anything else that would allow me to see the spark flash from the cylinder?

Later
Keith Srb


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From: "Matt Schu" hotmail.com>
Subject: Cross member (found)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:38:54 AKDT

List,

Thanks for all your help with the search for the cross member. I finally
located one in some guys collection of wrecked cars in Sterling, Alaska.
Along with the cross member, I ended up getting a radiator in good shape, a
complete 360 block, a c6, a np203 w/part-time kit, and a set of warn hubs
all for $150.

Again, thanks for the help, people like you are one of the best reasons to
own a old ford!

schu

________________________________________________________________________


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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:10:08 -0500
From: "Don Yerhot" nwhealth.edu>
Subject: Re: 351W vs 460

Burt,
Very good choice. You'll be very happy with the 351W. Maybe a little less cam though. A 260 with stock lifters would probably work a little better for you, especially if you're running 3:00 to 3;50 rear gears. My 65-F250 with a 2barrel, mild cam, stock compression, Dana60 running 4:10, will pull anything and still gets between 14-17mpg. And with 31" tires it's turning around 3000 at 65. Good Luck!

DonY
65 F250 351W
74 F100 351W


Based primarily on economic reasons (short on capitol) the decision was made
to cam up the 351W. Intend to use an Edelbrock 600 cfm carb and performer
intake, a Comp Cam 270 with the Crane lifters that run quietly collapsed
until the RPM gets up a ways, and a set of hooker headers. The carb and
intake are already on the engine. It will be torn down cleaned up, and
hopefully the pistons and cylinders can be rerung, if not then it will be a
complete rebuild. Any comments on cam choice? Trying to occasionally pull
camping trailer on highway hills. Thanks again.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460>


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From: JUMPINFORDaol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:14:44 EDT
Subject: Re: Sick 390 Part 2

In a message dated 6/25/00 10:39:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
herbieford-trucks.com writes:

<< I could see the spark from the spark plug in between the head the exhaust
manifold. I couldn't believe my eyes, so I had a friend of mine come over
and take a look. He agreed with me, you can see the spark from the spark
plug flashing between the head and the exhaust manifold. >>

Actually that would be the fuel charge still burning on its way out. Its a
common misconception that all fuel is burned entirely in the cylinder. Id do
that compression test. And if you come up with a Zero, pull the valve cover
over that cyl. That will let you see a stuck valve, or possibly a broken
push rod. Either of which can produce a cyl with no compression. Id lean
towards the stuck valve, especially if its high mileage.

Darrell & Tweety

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From: "wish" ford-trucks.net>
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:49:50 GMT
Subject: Re: Sick 390 Part 2


>Well I have been chasing this problem for a while. Stated with all of the
small stuff with no results. Moved on to removing one plug wire at a time from
distributor. Found the dead cylinder and also notice a change in sound from
the engine when I took off the wire for the number 5 cylinder. Replaced the
wire, no change in the way the engine ran but I heard a snapping sound coming
from the engine. Pulled the wire and put it back a few time to verify the sound.
It was a snapping sound, almost like part
>
>Well something did jump out at me. I now know that I need a new exhaust manifold
gasket because I could see the spark from the spark plug in between the head
the exhaust manifold. I couldn't belive my eyes, so I had a friend of mine
come over and take a look. He agreed with me, you can see the spark from the
spark plug flashing between the head and the exhaust manifold.
>
>Could there be anything else that would allow me to see the spark flash from
the cylinder?
>

Really bad timing would cause it to fire at the wrong time. You might also
try starting it at night to see what the plugs and wires look like ... had a
friend who couldn't figure out why his truck ran so bad, he started it up at
night one time (workin on it late) and he could SEE the sparks going around
the insulators ... hasn't used Champion since then.

Are you also saying you have an exhaust valve stuck open ? That would indicate
a bent valve, or bad valvespring wouldn't it ? Could be worse too ... have
you pulled the plug to look at it yet ?

Also if you have a tick when the plug is connected but not when its pulled,
it could just be your burned out exhaust gasket as a small hole with lots of
air forced through it will sound like a tick. It could also theoretically ignite
right there because of the fresh oxygenated air that might come in the hole
and the hot gasses escaping causing what looks like a spark plug firing...

Just some thoughts ...
Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" HiWAAY.net>
Subject: 428
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:36:49 -0500


Greg writes: >>If you put the 428 crank in a 390, you'll have 410, which is what
Mercury did. If you bore the 390 to the 428 bore and put in the 428
crank then you will have the almighty 428 cubic inches.<<

Yes, but the key here is that most 360's and 390's(4.050") wont bore that far(4.13") and still be safe. Occasionally they will but not often. The ones that do bore that far are really thin. There once was a book out that gave the block most likely to bore that far, but I can't remember who published it or how long ago it was published.

Been there - done that. More than once..Bored my share into the water jackets.

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.



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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" HiWAAY.net>
Subject: 427
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:38:43 -0500


Paul writes: >>They list an FE stroker kit for a 427cid motor that is 4.23 Bore and 3.78
Stroke.
Would this be the 428 everyone is discussing???<<

No that is a 427. The 428 carries a 4.13 bore and a 3.98 stroke The 427 carries a 4.23 bore and a 3.78 stroke. They are balanced differently.

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.




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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:51:01 -0700
From: Keith Srb ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Sick 390 Part 2

At 11:14 AM 06/26/2000 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 6/25/00 10:39:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>herbieford-trucks.com writes:
>
><< I could see the spark from the spark plug in between the head the exhaust
>manifold. I couldn't believe my eyes, so I had a friend of mine come over
>and take a look. He agreed with me, you can see the spark from the spark
>plug flashing between the head and the exhaust manifold. >>
>
>Actually that would be the fuel charge still burning on its way out. Its a
>common misconception that all fuel is burned entirely in the cylinder. Id do
>that compression test. And if you come up with a Zero, pull the valve cover
>over that cyl. That will let you see a stuck valve, or possibly a broken
>push rod. Either of which can produce a cyl with no compression. Id lean
>towards the stuck valve, especially if its high mileage.

Wouldn't the fuel charge burn be a different color than bright blue? The
"light" that I saw was a bright blue, similar to the "light" emitted from a
spark plug when it sparks. Wouldn't some of the "fire" from the burning
fuel charge exit between the head and exhaust manifold where the gasket has
been blow out??

The truck is low mileage, 90,000. The engine was rebuilt at 30,000 by the
Dealership that the previous owner bought the truck from. The oil pump
went out. I know that one of the heads was replaced then, but the PO
couldn't remember what else was replaced. I am wondering if this problem
isn't a result of that rebuild/oil pump failure?

I got to work on the brakes on my 66 tonight. Will check compression on
this cylinder later and keep you posted.

Thanks
Keith Srb


------------------------------

From: "Azie L. Magnusson" HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Tranny rebuild
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:57:39 -0500


Steve writes: >> If it's the tranny I'm thinking about, after you've got the input and
counter shafts out stand it up on the input end, get the retaining ring
on the output shaft off, and using a brass drift, beat the shaft out of
the bearing. reassembly is the reverse...best to have a very stout
work bench...<<

Really Hi-Tech stuff, huh???

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.




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From: JUMPINFORDaol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:46:40 EDT
Subject: Re: Sick 390 Part 2

In a message dated 6/26/00 10:51:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
herbieford-trucks.com writes:

<< Wouldn't the fuel charge burn be a different color than bright blue? >>

Nope, bright blue is right, just like the blue on a torch. I know this all
from experience. Had the engine running in the dark, opened the hood and for
a moment I thought I was seeing the spark travel on the outside of the boot.
But it was just blown exhaust gaskets.

Darrell & Tweety

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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 13:02:26 -0700
From: "Andrew Doering" pgn.com>
Subject: C6 rebuild

Can Anyone recommend a good reference book for rebuilding a C6.

Thanks,
Drew


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From: Marvin Meyer strat.net>
Subject: 76 SC truck for sale Ontario Canada
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 16:02:45 -0400

I have lots of pics on this from the ground up as I rebuilt this 6 yrs ago.
NEW with 22-25000 miles on it

transmission C-6 (for 302)
rear end and gears 3.50's
drums
wheel cycl
axle bearings
dual gas tanks/ sending units
A/c condenser ( not in it now)
brake flex lines and steel lines
fuel lines
front coils
calipers
rotors
bearings
This is only a part list, there are lots of good parts on this truck
minimal rust for canadian truck, drivers side has a shallow crease down the side
from front of box to wheel opening easily fixed via body shop. BOX is SOLID & CAB TOO
The 302 is out and not fully assembled yet bored .040 over and all
machining done by local machine shop
Ranger XLT with all or most options at the time, cruise A/c intermitent wipers
not a show truck, this was a daily driver.
$800 canadain w/o motor
$2000 with motor and a host of parts
Marvin Meyer
Stratford Ont. Canada
2hrs north of Detroit Mi
meyerstrat.net
can send pics as well
Regards


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From: "Lyndell Smith" fairburn.com>
Subject: Re: [61-79-list]DECISION,DECISIONS
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 17:41:59 -0400



I'm very confused and I need second opinion, I have two trucks and I only
wand to rebuild one.. #1 is a 71 f100 w/360,3on the column lb fair cancer
all over the bed.
#2 is a 73xlt Lb 400/auto ac p/s p/b not running, question is which one will
be the better truck to start with from a parts perspective and might have
the better value long term or should I take the two and make one nice truck?
any help would be appreciated,

thanks in advance
smitty


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From: "G & J Boling" alltel.net>
Subject: Re: 428
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:09:11 -0700



> Yes, but the key here is that most 360's and 390's(4.050") wont bore that
far(4.13") and still be safe. Occasionally they will but not often.
> Azie Magnusson
> Ardmore, Al.
=========================================
you Failed to mention the 360 ribbed truck blocks are thicker than the
others and wil take the overbore quite well
i know of a fella who rebuilds F/Es Only and he bores them to the 428 specs
all the time and So Far no problems at all he,s been doing it for Many
Years also Maybe the ones you tried were just the standard Non Ribbed
blocks
gordon
with a 80 over 360 block with the 390 crank and rods still running STRONG
after 3 years


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From: "Matt Schu" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [61-79-list]DECISION,DECISIONS
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 14:34:38 AKDT

I personally like the 71 better. The body style is cool, the dash is cool,
and it is a little more unique.

schu

>
>I'm very confused and I need second opinion, I have two trucks and I only
>wand to rebuild one.. #1 is a 71 f100 w/360,3on the column lb fair cancer
>all over the bed.
>#2 is a 73xlt Lb 400/auto ac p/s p/b not running, question is which one
>will
>be the better truck to start with from a parts perspective and might have
>the better value long term or should I take the two and make one nice
>truck?
>any help would be appreciated,
>
>thanks in advance
>smitty
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:18:49 -0400
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: How have they been?

Just wanted to check in with the list members to see
how the new ads are going over? This batch will run
for approximately 3 days. Your comments and suggestions
are welcome.

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From: "Garrett Nelson" writeme.com>
Subject: Re: Sick 390 Part 2
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 20:17:19 -0500


I experienced that same thing, or close to it anyways on my 390.. The threads of the spark plugs were not making good electrical contact with the heads, so it was arcing before the juice ever got the end of the plug. Take the plugs out and clean the threads. Get some anti-seize and coat the threads. Unscrew and screw in the plugs a few times. Hopefully that will clean it up enough so it makes contact. If that doesn't do it, you may need to take off the heads and do a good cleaning of the threads and anything else that needs it.

Keep us posted.


----Garrett www.1966ford.com




----- Original Message -----
From: Keith Srb
To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 12:43 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Sick 390 Part 2


Hi gang.

74 F-250 390FE with a C-6.

You may remember that I posted a message to the list about my sick 390. If you don't, here's a short description of the problem.

I was on the freeway driving to work, running 65-70. Exited freeway and stopped at stoplight to make a left hand turn. Engine was running rough, seemed like it was missing. Light turns green, hit the gas. Truck is only running on 7 cylinders and has is down on power and vibrating like it is missing. Finished the two mile trek to work. Checked on Truck at noon, didn't see anything oblivious wrong and still missed. Had it towed home.

Well I have been chasing this problem for a while. Stated with all of the small stuff with no results. Moved on to removing one plug wire at a time from distributor. Found the dead cylinder and also notice a change in sound from the engine when I took off the wire for the number 5 cylinder. Replaced the wire, no change in the way the engine ran but I heard a snapping sound coming from the engine. Pulled the wire and put it back a few time to verify the sound. It was a snapping sound, almost like part of the insulation had worn off the wire and the spark was jumping to the engine before it reached the plug. Checked the wire, it's fine. By now it is dark, better time to work on a vehicle in the hot desert. Put the wire back and start the truck and check to see if anything jumps out at me in the dark.

Well something did jump out at me. I now know that I need a new exhaust manifold gasket because I could see the spark from the spark plug in between the head the exhaust manifold. I couldn't belive my eyes, so I had a friend of mine come over and take a look. He agreed with me, you can see the spark from the spark plug flashing between the head and the exhaust manifold.

I haven't done a compression check on this cylinder yet. I am afraid to since I figure it won't have any compression due to the exhaust valve being stuck open. I already had a bad weekend after something in the brakes broke on my 66 and I about plowed into a car at the same freeway exit Friday morning. I managed to avoid the back end of this car, but the bumper did bounce off the front tire of a fellows truck. Neither truck sustained any body damage, I may just have to pay for a front end alignment for this gentlemen. I have to call him tomorrow. Luckily he was pretty cool about the whole thing. Me on the other hand, I had to have the truck towed home since I didn't have brakes anymore. I thought I was going to loose my baby for a while. The pucker marks stayed in the seat for a while. I am beginning to think I should find an alternate route to work. Sorry for rambling.

Could there be anything else that would allow me to see the spark flash from the cylinder?

Later
Keith Srb

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From: JUMPINFORDaol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:27:27 EDT
Subject: Re: ADMIN: How have they been?

Havent bugged me in the least. Who knows, I may even see something in em I
like in one. But as far as the list goes, I dont have any probs with em.
Hope it does its job with cutting costs. Thanks Ken, take it easy.

Darrell & Tweety

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