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61-79-list Digest Thu, 22 Jun 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 136

In This Issue:
Re: Steering swap
64 oddity
Re: 64 oddity
How My F100 Became a CrewCab
428 Purchase and rebuild
Re: 428 Purchase and rebuild
Re: AM I DREAMING?
Re: 428 Purchase and rebuild
Re: AM I DREAMING?
Re: 428 Purchase and rebuild
Re: 428 Purchase and rebuild
Re: 428 Purchase and rebuild
Re: 428 Purchase and rebuild
Re: 428 Purchase and rebuild
Re: 428 Purchase and rebuild
Re: 428 Purchase and rebuild
Re: 428 Purchase and rebuild
Re: 428 Purchase and rebuild

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From: WEDIVE247 aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:31:44 EDT
Subject: Re: Steering swap

In a message dated 6/21/2000 10:07:07 AM EST, wish ford-trucks.net writes:

<< 'll warn you its pretty basic right now, I've been getting setup for it for
a while now, just finally got started on it last night. Here's the URL for
those interested:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/Tech/Steering/steering.html

Oh yeah its for the old "assist" style steering on 4x4's to the newer (78/9)
"integral" style.


Enjoy.


Just my $.02
wish >>

Your sight looks like you have a pretty good handle on it . Now all we
need is some one to do a 2 wheel drive . Hopfully 61-66 would be even nicer .
Keep up the good work .

Steve 64 swb 460 ci

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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:10:18 -0700
From: scott ford-trucks.com>
Subject: 64 oddity

I saw a odd one last night at a local cruise.It appeared to be a 64
F-250 swb 4x2.It had the 57-60 style styleside bed on it and full length
trim.
Unfortunatly I never did catch up with the owner to ask him about it.
swb f-250? 64 4x2 w/early bed?
Any one else seen such a truck? or is it a conglomeration of parts from
different years? Either way it was a cool truck.

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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: 64 oddity
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 00:46:01 -0400

I've seen that combination of cab & bed before,but never in a 3/4 ton.
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Date: Thursday, June 22, 2000 11:12 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] 64 oddity


>I saw a odd one last night at a local cruise.It appeared to be a 64
>F-250 swb 4x2.It had the 57-60 style styleside bed on it and full length
>trim.
>Unfortunatly I never did catch up with the owner to ask him about it.
> swb f-250? 64 4x2 w/early bed?
>Any one else seen such a truck? or is it a conglomeration of parts from
>different years? Either way it was a cool truck.
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From: "Carver" ncwebsurfer.com>
Subject: How My F100 Became a CrewCab
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:43:39 -0700

or, how someone with enough money could get Ford to do anything.

Join us now in the wayback machine for an adventure into the world
of the rich. This person wanted a crewcab, why, we'll never know.

He proceeds to the nearest Ford Dealer (Harrold Ford in Sacramento)
and proceeds to flash the cash. Ford produces an F100 CrewCab.
Since there are non-Ford parts mixed in here, it's safe to assume
that a coach house actually crafted this truck with the following
oddities; Buick power assist brakes, Chevy carrier bearing, the
aforementioned ParkAir air conditioning, and of course a CrewCab.

The hinges are external to the door and exposed to the elements,
a sure sign of non-Ford, as the F250/F350 Crews starting in
'65 had hidden hinges.

Dad bought it from the rich guy in 1965 for more than he could
have bought a brand new '65 F250! Had he known, who knows what
we would have ended up with. It seemed like a logical vehicle
to have with 3 kids and Gram to use to go camping, especially
since we had tried it with a regular cab non-Ford. It's very
uncomfortable to fit 6 people, even kids, into a regular cab.

Check the FTE pictorial in the first section with '64 trucks.
It's the light blue CrewCab. Funky picture. I'll send Ken
some better ones eventually. I finally found a same color
longbed '64 F100 for a comparison, and I'll send those photos
too.

It's just like the 2001 F150 SuperCrew. Start with a longbed,
retain the wheel base, shorten the bed, graft in a cab, just
a lot older. It only took Ford 37 years to catch on to a
great idea! I really want to park them side by side, or even
better attend the Supernationals next year with it next to
a SuperCrew, what a sight to see. If things work out, that
is my travel goal next year.

Not until I joined FTE did I realize how special and unique
this truck truly is, thanks to you all.

So to me it's always been a CrewCab, or as we called them back
then, a four door truck. I learned to drive in it, and last
week my 12 year old boys got to drive it for their first drive.
I know what you are thinking, it was in the meadow on our property,
so no laws were violated, and with the bench seat, it was easy
for me to grab the wheel or hit the brakes. They had a blast!

Jeff '64 F100 CrewCab
Anyone have a metal license plate frame from Ellsworth Harrold Ford
in Sacramento? I'd love to replace the busted one I have.
------------------------------------------------------------------

How did your F-100 become a crew cab? I would love some photos, if you
can send any. I have a '64 F-100 SWB Custom Cab, and I like looking at
what other people have done to theirs.

Thanks, Charles

Carver wrote:

> My '64 has had A/C from the start. It's not a factory
> installed unit. But then again neither is the CrewCab.
> It's under the dash, brand name Park Air.
> I distinctly remember the decal on the rear
> window when I was a kid. Kinda miss the decal.
>
> Still works great too!
>
> Jeff '64 F100 CrewCab

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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 00:11:29 -0600
From: Kirk Baillie home.com>
Subject: 428 Purchase and rebuild

Hi guys im looking into purchasing a 428 to replace my worn 360 in my 74
F250 High boy 4X4 (those 35's will be spinning). This is my first
attempt at a build-up so if you guys could give me any advice it would
be appreciated.

-Does it cost a lot more to rebuild a 428 compared to a 390?
-What are the main points I should be looking for when I go check this
motor out (its still in the 76 F150 running, it was swapped in yrs ago)
-What numbers or particulars should I be looking for to get its true
identity?
-It has the 4 barrel intake but only a 2V carb with adapter.

Any other useful info would be greatly appreciated.
One of these days ill send in a pick of my truck

Thanks
Kirk Baillie
Saskatoon, Sk
CANADA

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From: "G & J Boling" alltel.net>
Subject: Re: 428 Purchase and rebuild
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 04:37:47 -0700



>
> Hi guys im looking into purchasing a 428 to replace my worn 360 in my 74
> F250 High boy 4X4 (those 35's will be spinning). This is my first
> attempt at a build-up so if you guys could give me any advice it would
> be appreciated.
> -It has the 4 barrel intake but only a 2V carb with adapter.
> Thanks
> Kirk Baillie
> Saskatoon, Sk
> CANADA
> ========================================
HI Kirk
WHY dont you just bore out the 360 and i think stick in the 390 crank &
rods to make it a 428
i cant recall exactly what the numbers or parts are thats needed but it
would be cheaper i am sure to just make yours into a 428 tho at least you
know what condition your block is in now and that its not cracked or
anything
i would be sure to use the Forged type pistons tho they are allot stronger
than any of the others really
gordon

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From: "Lyndell Smith" fairburn.com>
Subject: Re: AM I DREAMING?
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:59:44 -0400

A good bet for a nice CB is a truck stop in your local area that may have a
CB repair shop. You might find a very nice inexpensive one that has been
tweak up for more watts, and you can remove the cover and paint it any color
you like.. Just a word from an old TRUCK DRIVER.. LOL, good luck!!

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[mailto:61-79-list-bounceford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of
Bad4dFillyaol.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 10:57 PM
To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com; offroad-listford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] AM I DREAMING?


Hi guys! OK, FTE content here is that CB's go in trucks so there! Can anyone
send me some links to catalogs I can get in the mail that sell CB's? I know
I
can get em at stores but I figure if the manufacturer is selling them it'll
probably be cheaper.I am looking for one
Thanks. Oh yeah.......why don't CB's come in colors other than black and
chrome? Sheesh!??! I wanna pink or purple one! =P

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~Silly boys...trucks are for GIRLS!~*~*
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From: "wish" ford-trucks.net>
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:36:31 GMT
Subject: Re: 428 Purchase and rebuild


>HI Kirk
>WHY dont you just bore out the 360 and i think stick in the 390 crank &
>rods to make it a 428

'cause that doesn't work out to 428, a 390 crank and rods in a 360 block make
a 390 ...

A quick check of the stroke will help you determine what motor is really in
the truck ... remove the number one spark plug and put the piston at TDC, insert
a dowell or stick or something to measure with into the plug hole and make a
note of the distance (mark on the stick or whatever), then spin the crank 180
degrees. Re-insert the stick/dowell, and mark it again and measure the distance
between the marks ... 3.5" is a 360, 3.75" is a 390 and 4" is a 428 ... that
would be approximate of course, but if its only 3.5" there's no way you're lookin
at a 428 ..

CJ's done some 428 work, maybe he can tell you other things to look for ...
CJ ?


Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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From: "G & J Boling" alltel.net>
Subject: Re: AM I DREAMING?
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:41:31 -0700




>
> A good bet for a nice CB is a truck stop in your local area that may have
a
> CB repair shop. You might find a very nice inexpensive one that has been
> tweak up for more watts, and you can remove the cover and paint it any
color
> you like.. Just a word from an old TRUCK DRIVER.. LOL, good luck!!
========================================
whats bad is usually the radios in the truck stops used are as much as the
new ones were on that web site that was given and they havent been shaken
around for a million miles
still a old truck driver
gordon

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From: "G & J Boling" alltel.net>
Subject: Re: 428 Purchase and rebuild
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:52:37 -0700




>
>
> >HI Kirk
> >WHY dont you just bore out the 360 and i think stick in the 390 crank &
> >rods to make it a 428
gordon
> ======================================
> 'cause that doesn't work out to 428, a 390 crank and rods in a 360 block
make
> a 390 ...
> wish
========================================
the key word is BORE it out as i said i cant recall Exactly what it is that
turns them into 428s but do know it Can be done and Has been done i have a
friend who HAS done many of them the 360 block is what was used to replace
the 428s that were blown up under warranty from ford
gordon

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From: prozelloaielectronics.com (OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell)
Subject: Re: 428 Purchase and rebuild
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:25:48 -0500

snip> > 'cause that doesn't work out to 428, a 390 crank and rods in a 360
block
> make
> > a 390 ...
> > wish
> ========================================
> the key word is BORE it out as i said i cant recall Exactly what it is
that
> turns them into 428s but do know it Can be done and Has been done i have a
> friend who HAS done many of them the 360 block is what was used to replace
> the 428s that were blown up under warranty from ford
> gordon

I recently found a website for Ford performance engines and part. The
website is.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.racepages.com/garrett/test.htm
They list an FE stroker kit for a 427cid motor that is 4.23 Bore and 3.78
Stroke.
Would this be the 428 everyone is discussing???

Paul Rozell
65 F100 460 C6
96 F150 SC 5.0



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From: Greg Fisher mindspring.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:22:12 -0400
Subject: Re: 428 Purchase and rebuild

If you put the 428 crank in a 390, you'll have 410, which is what
Mercury did. If you bore the 390 to the 428 bore and put in the 428
crank then you will have the almighty 428 cubic inches.

Greg Fisher
Pendleton, SC
1968 Ford F100 Custom

>>HI Kirk
>>WHY dont you just bore out the 360 and i think stick in the 390
>>crank &
>>rods to make it a 428
>
>'cause that doesn't work out to 428, a 390 crank and rods in a 360
>block make
>a 390 ...



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From: "G & J Boling" alltel.net>
Subject: Re: 428 Purchase and rebuild
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:41:02 -0700

heres the specs on the 428
4.132 bore x 3.984 stroke
10.5: 1 compression
345 h.p. at 4600 rpms

specs on the 390 cube motor
4.052 bore x 3.784 stroke
330 h.p. at 5000 rpms

these were taken directly from the fomoco tech books

gordon



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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:41:01 -0700
From: dave Prasse gte.net>
Subject: Re: 428 Purchase and rebuild



OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell wrote:
>
> I recently found a website for Ford performance engines and part. The
> website is.
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.racepages.com/garrett/test.htm
> They list an FE stroker kit for a 427cid motor that is 4.23 Bore and 3.78
> Stroke.
> Would this be the 428 everyone is discussing???

Nope , a standard FE block can not normally be bored out to 4.23.

The above dimensions are the stock 427 dimensions , if I'm remembering
correctly . Most stroker 427s I've read about use the 428s 3.98 stroke
crank.

My 1965 352 truck block can be bored out to the 4.13 bore of a 428,
I've been told.

Now if I bore my 352 out to the 4.13 (428 bore ) and install a 390
crank,
I should have a 406. If one puts a 428 crank in a 390 ... you'd have a
410 motor.

All of that said , I'll stick to a 460+ engine in my '66 4x4 .

dave Prasse

>
> Paul Rozell
> 65 F100 460 C6
> 96 F150 SC 5.0
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From: "Bill Beyer" pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: 428 Purchase and rebuild
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:53:35 -0700

Wow.... .080 overbore...sounds a little dicey to me but I guess if any motor
could take that it'd be an FE.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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From: G & J Boling alltel.net>
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Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 11:41 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 428 Purchase and rebuild


> heres the specs on the 428
> 4.132 bore x 3.984 stroke
> 10.5: 1 compression
> 345 h.p. at 4600 rpms
>
> specs on the 390 cube motor
> 4.052 bore x 3.784 stroke
> 330 h.p. at 5000 rpms
>




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From: JUMPINFORDaol.com
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:51:06 EDT
Subject: Re: 428 Purchase and rebuild

In a message dated 6/23/00 7:51:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
flash1alltel.net writes:

<< the 360 block is what was used to replace
the 428s that were blown up under warranty from ford >>

Actually it was a 390 FT block that was used. A standard 352 cast block for
a 352, 360, 390 will not bore far enough to be a 406/428 without either going
into the water jacket, or at minimum cracking all of the cylinders. However,
the 390 with the mirror image of 105 on the block can be. I've seen these
blocks bored to the point of a .030 over 428 safely. These blocks are not
hard to find either. I had one stock in a 73 F-250 I bought before Tweety.
I was going to build it into a 406. But with an F-350 w/460 I lost interest.
However, my dad has a 428 cj crank residing in his home built 410.
Eventually, the crank and block will find eachother, making for on nasty FE.

Darrell & Tweety

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From: JUMPINFORDaol.com
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:58:08 EDT
Subject: Re: 428 Purchase and rebuild

In a message dated 6/23/00 8:46:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
bbeyerpacifier.com writes:

<< Wow.... .080 overbore...sounds a little dicey to me but I guess if any
motor
could take that it'd be an FE. >>

Dont forget the 460 block. Not all blocks are the same, but a majority of
them can be bored beyond what most consider sane. One of the local machine
shops just built a 540 stroker. Its either a .100 overbore or a .140
overbore. Im leanin towards the .140. Then the rest of the cubes comes from
offset grinding the stock crank. Thing has more juevos than most engines Ive
seen, but its in a 87 F-350, and uses the old speed density fuel injection,
so despite having larger injectors, and higher fuel pressure, it still runs
way lean. Wont even idle smooth. Oh well, aint mine, not my money getting
fried...

Darrell & Tweety

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From: "wish" ford-trucks.net>
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:18:07 GMT
Subject: Re: 428 Purchase and rebuild

>the key word is BORE it out as i said i cant recall Exactly what it is that

>turns them into 428s but do know it Can be done and Has been done i have a

>friend who HAS done many of them the 360 block is what was used to replace

>the 428s that were blown up under warranty from ford


Okay there're several things going on here.

As someone mentioned the 105 FT block might take the bore for a 428, but even
if it did, you'd still have to go anohter .020 over to get a 390 crank to displace
428 cubes (according to my rough calculations anyway), the only sure way to
test that is to sonic check the block first. And then you'd have the issue
of finding pistons. Maybe you'd get lucky and a 428+0.020 stock piston would
work, but you'd have to check deck heights and compression ratio's to be sure
they would work out as well.

Someone else mentioned the 427, which is a different motor in the sense that
its a different displacement, its got a different bore/stroke configuration
... I wish the wrlnet site was back up so I could look this up quickly, but
I'm pretty sure it used a shorter than 428 crank with a bigger bore. This motor
was more of a racing oriented motor with some beefy mains and fairly stout cams
and head combo's. I think it also worked out to only 426 or 425 cubic inches
if you figured the displacement.

In the end I think if you can get a complete 428 with a good block and crank
you'll be ages ahead of trying to build one from what you've already got, unless
you're planning to build it full custom and want some custom rods and crank
and such in which case you really just want a block that can take the bore safely.


As I said CJ's been down this road, maybe he can shed some light???

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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