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Received: with LISTAR (v0.128a; list 61-79-list); Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:42:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Ford Truck Enthusiasts List Server To: 61-79-list digest users Reply-to: 61-79-list  ford-trucks.com Subject: 61-79-list Digest V2000 #132 Precedence: bulk ========================================================== Ford Truck Enthusiasts 1961-1979 Truck Mailing List Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ 61-79-list Digest Sun, 18 Jun 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 132 In This Issue: Re: possible to install an ac, power steering & brakes? Oil Pan What Engine??? Re: What Engine??? Re: Anyone have some answers on propane! Re: '67 F series with A/C? Re: '67 F series with A/C? dip stick tubes Re: '67 F series with A/C? Re: Anyone have some answers on propane! Re: '67 F series with A/C? Re: What Engine??? Re: 292 y block info needed for fathers day 5 spd swap Re: Oil Pan Re: 5 spd swap Re: Oil Pan & 351M 4x4 Dipstick length Color Change Need help finding a cross member Need help finding a cross member Need help finding a cross member Kroil penetrant Y-block site? Re: Anyone have some answers on propane! PROPANE Re: '67 F series with A/C? headers for a 400? Re: Need help finding a cross member Re: dip stick tubes Re: HI GUYS! Re: Tranny question again ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ted and Sarah Freeman" Subject: Re: possible to install an ac, power steering & brakes? Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 20:35:54 -0400 A/C is not hard to do. I installed a factory unit in my '68. Putting it in is not hard. Hard part is finding one. Anything between a '67-'72 will work. I don't have to mess with the brakes and steering, since both on my truck are power already. As far as changing over, I believe all you would need is the booster, master cylinder and proportioning vavle for your setup (disc/drums or drums/drums). You should be able to find these off of a donor truck as well. I don't know that I would use the parts, but you would have cores to turn in and you'd have the knowledge of what things look like and where they attach. Steering....you would need the pump, the power steering gear and you would have to install a different steering column with a shorter shaft. None of it is really hard, but they are time consuming. I gave a 1000 ft. view as well. I know others that have done the brake and steering conversions. Maybe they'll chime in. I did the A/C myself and am very pleased with it. Took me about a 2 months to install but most of the time was cleaning and inspecting parts out of the truck. When I did start on the truck itself, it took me about a week to get it installed and working. The unit gets very cold. (Thanks again, Stu) If you have any questions about the A/C part, let me know and I'll try to go into more detail on what I did with mine. -Ted -----Original Message----- From: Rizard209 aol.com To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com> Date: Saturday, June 17, 2000 6:02 PM Subject: [61-79-list] possible to install an ac, power steering & brakes? >i have a '70 f100 and i was wondering if there was n e way possible to add an >air condition unit perhaps, and do they have a kit to make it power brakes >and even power steering..n e ideas would b appreciated.. >========================================================== >To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with >the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the >message. > ------------------------------ From: Fordman9901 webtv.net Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 20:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Oil Pan Hello all . Getting ready to change from a 351m to a 460 in my truck 77 F250 4x4 need a oil pan and motor mounts to fit it . any of you guys have either of these laying around you don't need . any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Randy ------------------------------ From: "Rick Burdt" Subject: What Engine??? Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:08:00 -0400 Okay, now I'm getting confused. When I bought my '79 F-150 I was told it had a 351C but was told by many that it wasn't a C engine. I called the local Ford dealership and they told me to get the block numbers, which I did. Called them back and they were clueless from there but they gave me the number to a machine shop and told me that they could tell me what I had in my truck. I called them and they told me that in fact I had a 302 from '68-69 that had probably come out of a car. I thought GREAT, now I can accurately get parts for this. Just now out of boredom I plugged in the first four digits of the block numbers into a search engine and came up with signs that in fact this is actually a 351W. Could someone please tell me what is actually in my truck or direct me to a reputable place I can find out exactly what is in this thing? Here's the numbers: C90E6015 and the last letter is either a 'B' or 'E'. Thanks in advance for the legendary wisdom of the group, Rick '79 F-150 with God only knows what under the hood. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:14:40 -0400 From: bill poudrier Subject: Re: What Engine??? The book I have says it it a 1969-70 351Windsor If the water outlet is on the Intake it makes this much more certain Bill At 09:08 PM 6/18/00 -0400, you wrote: > >Okay, now I'm getting confused. When I bought my '79 F-150 I was told it had a 351C but was told by many that it wasn't a C engine. I called the local Ford dealership and they told me to get the block numbers, which I did. Called them back and they were clueless from there but they gave me the number to a machine shop and told me that they could tell me what I had in my truck. I called them and they told me that in fact I had a 302 from '68-69 that had probably come out of a car. I thought GREAT, now I can accurately get parts for this. Just now out of boredom I plugged in the first four digits of the block numbers into a search engine and came up with signs that in fact this is actually a 351W. Could someone please tell me what is actually in my truck or direct me to a reputable place I can find out exactly what is in this thing? > >Here's the numbers: C90E6015 and the last letter is either a 'B' or 'E'. > >Thanks in advance for the legendary wisdom of the group, > >Rick >'79 F-150 with God only knows what under the hood. > >========================================================== >To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with >the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the >message. > > ------------------------------ From: "Eric Washburn" Subject: Re: Anyone have some answers on propane! Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 20:19:13 -0500 We used to have a 60s/70s model Ford truck tractor that had a 427 side oiler that ran on propane only. It did pretty good hauling a 47-ft trailer =) I don't have any info on it though, cause the boss sold it awhile ago because we bought bobtails so I don't have any info on it, man I wish I could've gotten my hands on it.... >From: "John Webster" >Subject: Anyone have some answers on propane! >Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 17:57:43 -0400 > >Hi Folks, > > A question for all of you. Feeding the 460 in my '77 F150 4X4 is cutting >into the upgrade budget. Does anyone run a full time propane set-up? Talking >with someone who does the conversions he said that there may not be a unit >big enough to feed a healthy 385. Does anyone have any real world >experience? Any help or directions to links would be appreciated. >Thanks, >John >'77 F150 4X4 460/C6/4:11's/33's ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 20:38:53 -0500 From: "Charles D. Childers, Jr." Subject: Re: '67 F series with A/C? I had a '72 Sport Custom with true factory air, and it used those same controls, but the unit itself mounted under dash, and contained the vents there. My grandfather had a '70 model with dealer-installed factory air, and it too mounted under dash, but had it's own controls. I really don't think you could get a true factory unit in '67. If anything, it was a dealer-installed item. Just my thoughts, Charles "Southerland, Rich" wrote: > Anyone know if the '67 F-series could be had with factory A/C? > If so, does it use the push-pull cables to control it like the non-A/C > trucks do? > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with > the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the > message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:42:01 -0400 From: bill poudrier Subject: Re: '67 F series with A/C? Next time you go to a swap meet, Go to one of the original literature places and take a look at the sales brochures for the truck. It should give you a pretty good idea of what could be had. Bill At 08:38 PM 6/18/00 -0500, you wrote: >I had a '72 Sport Custom with true factory air, and it used those same >controls, but the unit itself mounted under dash, and contained the vents >there. My grandfather had a '70 model with dealer-installed factory air, >and it too mounted under dash, but had it's own controls. I really don't >think you could get a true factory unit in '67. If anything, it was a >dealer-installed item. > >Just my thoughts, Charles > >"Southerland, Rich" wrote: > >> Anyone know if the '67 F-series could be had with factory A/C? >> If so, does it use the push-pull cables to control it like the non-A/C >> trucks do? >> >> ========================================================== >> To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with >> the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the >> message. > > >========================================================== >To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with >the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the >message. > > ------------------------------ From: "G & J Boling" Subject: dip stick tubes Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:46:30 -0700 Pat Wilson's T Bird parts has NEW tubes for 20.00 each all of these F/E tubes were the same far as i know of and should work even in pickup trucks they are on the web and have on line ordering also I THINK if you order on-line even if your in Canada you could avoid all the taxes also imposed on you up there Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:50:43 -0400 From: Ken Payne Subject: Re: '67 F series with A/C? At 09:42 PM 6/18/00 , you wrote: >Next time you go to a swap meet, Go to one of the >original literature places and take a look at the >sales brochures for the truck. It should give you >a pretty good idea of what could be had. > >Bill I've been watching everyone play guessing games so I thought I'd give ya'll the scoop: AC was not available from Ford in the F-series until 68. This data is from all of their "Illustrated Facts and Features" manuals sold on our web site, notably the 67-68 edition. Ken Payne Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts ------------------------------ From: "G & J Boling" Subject: Re: Anyone have some answers on propane! Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:52:52 -0700 > > Hi Folks, > > A question for all of you. Feeding the 460 in my '77 F150 4X4 is cutting > into the upgrade budget. Does anyone run a full time propane set-up? Talking > with someone who does the conversions he said that there may not be a unit > big enough to feed a healthy 385. Does anyone have any real world > experience? Any help or directions to links would be appreciated. > Thanks, > John ======================================== a few years back when fuel prices were high also i recall seeing a few of them running propane ALSO if they can run mass transit buses in cities on propane there is NO REASON WHY there should not be a unit large enough to feed a 460 these busses are running diesel motors converted to propane and natural gas and are ALLOT larger than a 460 gordon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:58:53 -0400 From: bill poudrier Subject: Re: '67 F series with A/C? At 09:50 PM 6/18/00 -0400, you wrote: >At 09:42 PM 6/18/00 , you wrote: >>Next time you go to a swap meet, Go to one of the >>original literature places and take a look at the >>sales brochures for the truck. It should give you >>a pretty good idea of what could be had. >> >>Bill > >I've been watching everyone play guessing games so I >thought I'd give ya'll the scoop: > >AC was not available from Ford in the F-series until >68. This data is from all of their "Illustrated Facts >and Features" manuals sold on our web site, notably >the 67-68 edition. > >Ken Payne >Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts > I guess they figure truck drivers are tough eh! 8*) I worked a ford dealer in 1968-9 and did not remember. I did drive at least 100 Cobra Jet Torinos and Mach 1 Mustangs, and many more just plain 351W Mach 1's. Wish I could go back for a week, just watched Back to the Future... As a side question I need an Ehaust system for a 2WD 1979 F150 but hooker only makes one for a 4WD. Should I be able to get it to fit? Bill Old Ford Freak, 22 vehicles and rising. Bill ------------------------------ From: "davidl" Subject: Re: What Engine??? Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:54:33 -0500 in the book I have it does not list the block # but the #c90e-b is the head casting # for a 351w 69-74 years hope that helps and not adds to your confusion Dave out of the swap meet guide. nice book for casting #s of high performance kid is putting himself through school with them www.engine-parts.com -----Original Message----- From: bill poudrier To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com> Date: Sunday, June 18, 2000 8:18 PM Subject: [61-79-list] Re: What Engine??? >The book I have says it it a 1969-70 351Windsor > >If the water outlet is on the Intake it makes this much >more certain > >Bill > >At 09:08 PM 6/18/00 -0400, you wrote: >> >>Okay, now I'm getting confused. When I bought my '79 F-150 I was told it >had a 351C but was told by many that it wasn't a C engine. I called the >local Ford dealership and they told me to get the block numbers, which I >did. Called them back and they were clueless from there but they gave me >the number to a machine shop and told me that they could tell me what I had >in my truck. I called them and they told me that in fact I had a 302 from >'68-69 that had probably come out of a car. I thought GREAT, now I can >accurately get parts for this. Just now out of boredom I plugged in the >first four digits of the block numbers into a search engine and came up >with signs that in fact this is actually a 351W. Could someone please tell >me what is actually in my truck or direct me to a reputable place I can >find out exactly what is in this thing? >> >>Here's the numbers: C90E6015 and the last letter is either a 'B' or 'E'. >> >>Thanks in advance for the legendary wisdom of the group, >> >>Rick >>'79 F-150 with God only knows what under the hood. >> >>========================================================== >>To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with >>the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the >>message. >> >> > >========================================================== >To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with >the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the >message. ------------------------------ From: "davidl" Subject: Re: 292 y block info needed for fathers day Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:03:19 -0500 Yes all the answers that I needed to bring the 62 to life. y blocks are different and now it lives and breathes. had her up to 60mph but king pind are loose. But what fun on fathers day. Thanks to all Dave -----Original Message----- From: bill poudrier To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com> Date: Sunday, June 18, 2000 3:06 PM Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 292 y block info needed for fathers day >I made the assumption that this is a 292! > > 1 2 3 4 >fan Dist > 5 6 7 8 > >A 292 has the distributor in the back > >dist rotation is CCW Ignition timing is 4 BTDC for std > 10 BTDC for Auto >THESE SPECS ARE FOR A CAR THOUGH! > > >At 07:58 PM 6/17/00 -0500, you wrote: >>Ok then the thing will not start at all. So how are the banks # like all the >>fords? >>left bank 1234 right 5678 or were they different? >>-----Original Message----- >>From: bill poudrier >>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com> >>Date: Saturday, June 17, 2000 6:57 PM >>Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 292 y block info needed for fathers day >> >> >>>Firing Order: 1,5,4,8,6,3,7,2 >>> >>>All valves 0.019 Hot >>> >>>Points 0.015 >>> >>>Sorry, don't have the dwell >>> >>>Bill >>> >>> >>> >>>At 04:30 PM 6/17/00 -0500, you wrote: >>>> >>>>OK I got the old girl running. 1962 f100 unibody. >>>>But have no books. >>>>I need for fathers day the firing order and the valve lash >>>>The cap is marker 1 but of course some one has move the wires >>>>I have a back fire and found two wires that were the problem last night. >>But >>>>after dropping a push rod from an adjuster backing off. Now I have a back >>>>fire again. And I would like to make sure all else is right. >>>> >>>>And while you have your book of knowledge open the points gap dwell and >>>>timing. >>>>Thanks in advance this list is the best for help. >>>>Ps. any one have an answer on how to keep the starter in a 1970 f100 390 >>>>motor with headers from burning up starters I have a friend that has a bad >>>>time of this. Any one make a heat shield or have any luck with this. >>>> Dave >>>>62 unibody in the making 292 >>>>61 donor unibody 302 >>>>77 e350 motor home 460 >>>>78 f250 4x4 429 >>>>83 f250 4x4 weak 302 >>>>85 f250 4x4 6.9 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>========================================================== >>>>To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with >>>>the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the >>>>message. >>>> >>>> >>> >>>========================================================== >>>To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with >>>the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the >>>message. >> >>========================================================== >>To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with >>the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the >>message. >> >> > >========================================================== >To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with >the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the >message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 19:58:25 -0700 From: scott Subject: 5 spd swap A friend of mine has a 91 W/302 and a 5 spd trans. The transmisson went out at 110,000.When he had it rebuilt they told him he was lucky as they rarely make it 100,000 miles. I have a friend at the local dealership who confirms this. My advise would be if you get a 5spd from that has anywhere near 100k on it,get it checked by a shop before installation. I believe they also have the hydralic clutch set up which should also be checked. The 5spd is not a "bad" transmission,it is just not as sturdy as the T-18-19 or New Process 4spds. ------------------------------ From: "davidl" Subject: Re: Oil Pan Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:25:06 -0500 Look on ebay looks like all you need http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=357844185 It is at 71 dollars pan dipstick pick up and pump used Dave -----Original Message----- From: Fordman9901 webtv.net To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com> Date: Sunday, June 18, 2000 7:55 PM Subject: [61-79-list] Oil Pan >Hello all . Getting ready to change from a 351m to a 460 in my truck 77 >F250 4x4 need a oil pan and motor mounts to fit it . any of you guys >have either of these laying around you don't need . any help would be >greatly appreciated. >Thanks Randy > >========================================================== >To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with >the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the >message. ------------------------------ From: "Phil & Debi" Subject: Re: 5 spd swap Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 23:22:33 -0400 > A friend of mine has a 91 W/302 and a 5 spd trans. > The transmisson went out at 110,000.When he had it rebuilt they > told him he was lucky as they rarely make it 100,000 miles. > I have a friend at the local dealership who confirms this. Really? I must be lucky then, my 91 with 300 six cyl and 5 spd trans has 178,000 miles on it and everything is original, unopened, even has original clutch and still going strong. But I have heard from others that the trans usually don't last that long. When mine goes I plan on upgrading to the ZF 5 speed, hear its a little stronger and has better gears for towing. Phil Beattie 66 F100 70 F100 91 F150 4x4 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 23:40:08 -0400 From: David Wadson Subject: Re: Oil Pan & 351M 4x4 Dipstick length >Hello all . Getting ready to change from a 351m to a 460 in my truck 77 >F250 4x4 need a oil pan and motor mounts to fit it . any of you guys >have either of these laying around you don't need . any help would be >greatly appreciated. >Thanks Randy What's the length of your dipstick from the 351M? I have a chunk of brake tubing with the proper sized fitting but I need an accurate measurement of how long the tube is from the end, down to the fitting at the oil pan so I know where to cut the brake line. Would you be able to measure it up for me? David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca "PS1" - 79 F100 ...ground into a million pieces. "PS2" - 78 F100 ...currently alive and kicking. "PS3" - 79 F150 4x4 ...now what have I gotten myself into... Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 20:58:30 -0700 From: scott Subject: Color Change >>>>> doing a color change is not that easy. Think about having purple on the outside and still green on the interior. If you have a green dash pad or other parts that you would need to change to match as well as paint the interior. I did a exterior/interior color change on my 76 and I can atest to the fact that it is alot of work,especially if you need to drive the truck daily. I rounded up some door panels,sun visors,headliner,dash pad and a seat.I then dyed the visors etc. to match the seat.I also ordered up a carpet kit. I also picked up some better exterior trim,window cranks etc.etc.and stored them away with the interior parts. Hopefully you can skip the next phase,but I had alot of body work to do. I would work on a section and get it close and then move to another area. Eventualy the truck was mostly primered,so I went ahead and primed the whole truck and started blocking it out.After countless hours it was ready to paint. I originaly planned on having the truck shot by someone else,but after all the priming I felt pretty comfortable with a gun so I pulled the hood off,painted the under side of it,the upper most part of the fire wall and the portion of the front fenders the hood hides when down.(I painted the lower portion of the firewall black previously when I had the engine out).I then pulled the camper shell off and painted it and the inside of the bed. At this point the truck had to be parked for completion.The interior came out, all the trim came off and the windshield came out.Windshield has to come out to paint the pillars behind it.I shot the interior first and then the exterior.By the time i got to the exterior I was very comfortable shooting paint.It came out pretty good except for some bugs and dust.(I shot it in my driveway).I then installed all my new trim and interior parts carpet etc. and the truck looked great.It took me three loooong days to disassemble paint and reassemble the truck into running condition and a couple of more days spent on the smaller parts and details. I later spent 2 days color sanding and buffing. A color change is alot of work,but if you are willing to do the disassembly,sanding,some minor body work and the reassembly you can save a small fortune. BTW paint your truck whatever color you like.After going to all this work you won't be selling it any time soon;) ------------------------------ From: "Matt Schu" Subject: Need help finding a cross member Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 20:14:46 AKDT >From: scott >Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com >To: "61-79-list ford-trucks.com" <61-79-list ford-trucks.com> >Subject: [61-79-list] Color Change >Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 20:58:30 -0700 > > >>>>> doing a color change is not that easy. Think about > having purple on the outside and still green on the interior. If > you have a green dash pad or other parts that you would need to > change to match as well as paint the interior. > > I did a exterior/interior color change on my 76 and I can atest to the >fact that it is alot of work,especially if you need to drive the truck >daily. > I rounded up some door panels,sun visors,headliner,dash pad and a >seat.I then dyed the visors etc. to match the seat.I also ordered up a >carpet kit. > I also picked up some better exterior trim,window cranks etc.etc.and >stored them away with the interior parts. > Hopefully you can skip the next phase,but I had alot of body work to >do. >I would work on a section and get it close and then move to another >area. >Eventualy the truck was mostly primered,so I went ahead and primed the >whole truck and started blocking it out.After countless hours it was >ready to paint. > I originaly planned on having the truck shot by someone else,but after >all the priming I felt pretty comfortable with a gun so I pulled the >hood off,painted the under side of it,the upper most part of the fire >wall and the portion of the front fenders the hood hides when down.(I >painted the lower portion of the firewall black previously when I had >the engine out).I then pulled the camper shell off and painted it and >the inside of the bed. > At this point the truck had to be parked for completion.The interior >came out, all the trim came off and the windshield came out.Windshield >has to come out to paint the pillars behind it.I shot the interior first >and then the exterior.By the time i got to the exterior I was very >comfortable shooting paint.It came out pretty good except for some bugs >and dust.(I shot it in my driveway).I then installed all my new trim and >interior parts carpet etc. and the truck looked great.It took me three >loooong days to disassemble >paint and reassemble the truck into running condition and a couple of >more days spent on the smaller parts and details. > I later spent 2 days color sanding and buffing. > A color change is alot of work,but if you are willing to do the >disassembly,sanding,some minor body work and the reassembly you can save >a >small fortune. > BTW paint your truck whatever color you like.After going to all this >work you won't be selling it any time soon;) >========================================================== >To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with >the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the >message. > ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: "Matt Schu" Subject: Need help finding a cross member Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 20:26:15 AKDT List, I am in need of a new cross member. The one I have looks to bent up to save (but I haven't tried). I looked for one in a couple of wrecking yards but it seems that ford used a different cross member on part time 4x4 trucks than they did on full time 4x4 trucks because I have the full time TC and all of the trucks I looked at (one was the same year) had a part time TC with a different cross member. Can anyone confirm this? Also if it isn't to much trouble can a couple of you list members call around to some local yards for me and see if you can find a cross member that fits a 76 Ford F-150 with a c6/np203? Due to me living in Alaska I have a very limited supply of old ford trucks in wrecking yards. I think I am going to try to get a picture of the cross member posted soon so that it will be obvious which part I need. thanks for any help you can send. schu ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: "Matt Schu" Subject: Need help finding a cross member Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 20:41:03 AKDT Sorry about the last email, it didn't post correctly for some reason... List, I need help finding a cross member for my 76 F-150 390 C6/NP203. I was not able to find one locally because all of the trucks I found in wrecking yards have a different cross member. Apparently ford used a different cross member on the NP203 and NP205 equipped trucks because I was able to find another 76 in a yard but it had a different cross member with the only difference being that it had a NP205 TC. Can anyone confirm this? Anyway, I am unable to locate one in Alaska so far. Can I get some of you list members to call a couple of local yards and see if you can't locate one for me. I will try to get a picture of it online soon so that it will be easy to match up. thanks schu ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: "glperry" Subject: Kroil penetrant Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 00:54:40 -0500 I just bought some of there stuff. Site is www.kanolabs.com and two numbers I have are: 1-615-833-4101 and 1-800-311-3374 Try these, I just went to web site, so know it works. "G" G. L. Perry Huntington, IN 54 Chevy 2-ton (driver) 50 Chevy COE (project) MM Jet Star 3 Super (tractor) ------------------------------ From: "glperry" Subject: Y-block site? Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 00:58:37 -0500 I know there is a web site for small block engines but can't remember what it was or where I got it. It was a link from some car site, couldn't find it on FTE site. It has lots of info and pix. There is a book on Y-block rebuild and ID from Motorbooks International. I have it and it is nice for part numbers and other things. Check FTE bookstore site, they may have it. "G" G. L. Perry Huntington, IN 54 Chevy 2-ton (driver) 50 Chevy COE (project) MM Jet Star 3 Super (tractor) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 02:56:10 -0700 From: John Lord Subject: Re: Anyone have some answers on propane! I am running Propane only in my 74 F250 4x4 with a 351w. It is my preferred fuel. that is all i have run for years in my last few cars / trucks. I have dealt with Ford's FE's and 460, as well as 300 I-6's running on propane. Impco's largest mixer is said to put out 425 cfm, and OHG's is the biggest at 450 cfm. the both bolt directly to a Holly 4 bbl carb base plate. (OHG is also the most reliable) It is true that propane mixers can be a cause of fuel starvation but only under certain conditions. the problem is that at higher rpm there is not enough fuel flow but only then, if you are running with a light load or at hiway speeds you would be perfectly fine. What shops have found is that a single mixer cant even flow enough to to keep up with a performance 302 in a mustang at rpm above 4000 (Impco brands seem to be the worst). There are only 2 ways to solve the problem, (1) The purchase of a second mixer (carb) and vaporizer (regulator) and you bolt them onto a Dual 4 bbl manifold. (2) The purchase of a second mixer (carb) and vaporizer (regulator) and you find the adapter to bolt both mixers onto a single 4 bbl holly base plate. It is a rare item , i have seen them and have been asked if my fathers machine shop could produce them because of there supply and demand problems. Because of the gaseous nature of propane the second choice would work perfectly. Now in my case, with my truck, i have 4.10 gears and i can get the old 4x4 to do over 120 mph with my 351w. It is running well above 4000 rpm and i have found no need for a second OHG mixer setup. I have pushed my engine on the hiway to 5300 rpm with no noticeable loss of power and will go farther as soon as i get my roller rockers new, springs and a way to stop tearing out my motor mounts ...... YES you can get that much power from a properly build propane engine! John Webster wrote: > Hi Folks, > > A question for all of you. Feeding the 460 in my '77 F150 4X4 is cutting > into the upgrade budget. Does anyone run a full time propane set-up? Talking > with someone who does the conversions he said that there may not be a unit > big enough to feed a healthy 385. Does anyone have any real world > experience? Any help or directions to links would be appreciated. > Thanks, > John > '77 F150 4X4 460/C6/4:11's/33's > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with > the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the > message. ------------------------------ From: "G & J Boling" Subject: PROPANE Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 06:31:22 -0700 one thing i have read about using propane or natural gas is you can go further on oil changes and they say engines last longer also ive never run or had one but it would make sense because you would not get the contaniments that gasoline gives when burnt gordon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:33:35 -0400 From: Ken Payne Subject: Re: '67 F series with A/C? > > > >I've been watching everyone play guessing games so I > >thought I'd give ya'll the scoop: > > > >AC was not available from Ford in the F-series until > >68. This data is from all of their "Illustrated Facts > >and Features" manuals sold on our web site, notably > >the 67-68 edition. > > > >Ken Payne > >Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts > > > >I guess they figure truck drivers are tough eh! 8*) I worked >a ford dealer in 1968-9 and did not remember. I did drive at >least 100 Cobra Jet Torinos and Mach 1 Mustangs, and many more >just plain 351W Mach 1's. Wish I could go back for a week, just >watched Back to the Future... Me too... makes me feel old. I sat there and said to "hey, 1984 just happened!" Then my daughter said "dad, this movie is old." The interesting thing is that back then, lack of factory A/C was not a big deal because there was such a large aftermarket. >As a side question I need an Ehaust system for a 2WD 1979 F150 >but hooker only makes one for a 4WD. Should I be able to get >it to fit? Ouch, can't answer that one. It should, but the big questionable thing is how they route it up front. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 07:33:07 -0500 Subject: headers for a 400? From: "Rusty Nail" I know this was just discussed less than a month ago but, I don't recall ever seeing an answer. Does anybody know a manufacturer that makes headers for the 2wd 400 motor with dual fuel tanks? I'm also thinking of this changeover if I can find the headers. thanks for any help. rusty in kcmo 77 400 2wd ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 06:57:55 -0700 From: Don Grossman Subject: Re: Need help finding a cross member >List, > >I am in need of a new cross member. The one I have looks to bent up >to save (but I haven't tried). I looked for one in a couple of >wrecking yards but it seems that ford used a different cross member >on part time 4x4 trucks than they did on full time 4x4 trucks >because I have the full time TC and all of the trucks I looked at >(one was the same year) had a part time TC with a different cross >member. Can anyone confirm this? Also if it isn't to much trouble >can a couple of you list members call around to some local yards for >me and see if you can find a cross member that fits a 76 Ford F-150 >with a c6/np203? Due to me living in Alaska I have a very limited >supply of old ford trucks in wrecking yards. I think I am going to >try to get a picture of the cross member posted soon so that it will >be obvious which part I need. > >thanks for any help you can send. Hmmm.... I have a transmission cross member out of a 77 F-150 with a four speed and 205. Does anyone think it might be the same?. I was going to use it but found it just as easy to make my own as needed. I will try to get a picture of it up on the web in a couple of days for comparison. Would cost a bit to ship being heavy and all so we should make sure it is the right one. Laters -- Don Grossman duckdon mac.com 43 GPW 63 F-100 4x4 77 F250 99 Contour ------------------------------ From: "wish" Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:34:20 GMT Subject: Re: dip stick tubes >Pat Wilson's T Bird parts has NEW tubes for 20.00 each all of these F/E >tubes were the same far as i know of and should work even in pickup trucks Unless you have a 4x4, the 4x4 uses a dipstick that goes through the pan and you just plug off the block style tube ... rear sump's are funny that way ... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ From: "wish" Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:37:23 GMT Subject: Re: HI GUYS! >Is there a vocational school or college near by you that has a auto body >class ? I have taken some of my vehicles to a vocational school near here & >they use your vehicle as part of their training in auto body class. Usually >all you have to pay for is the materials. Just an idea. I had them repaint a >' 79 Cougar for me (no rust or collision work--just a repaint) and it only >cost me $ 249.00 .I was really suprised that it turned out real good. Yikes, this can be really hit or miss ... one of my friends in highschool took his 70 Cougar in to get painted by one of these places ... after they had it for 4 months or so it had finally gotten some primer. They'd also had to do some quarter panel work, and when they put the new ones on they never cut the holes for the side marker lights. Which is odd because I've never seen a patch panel for those that didn't have the marker light hole in it already ... then the primer was all over the chrome bumpers and everything, they hadn't masked or removed anything that wasn't in the direct line of spray ... its was a pretty bad job. My girlfriend's also had similar experiences with their tech shop doing shoddy engine rebuilds and her car is actually a rebuilt from there which is better, but still isn't quite right ... she didn't find out it was from that place til after she bought it, but she did know it was a salvage ... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ From: "wish" Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:42:28 GMT Subject: Re: Tranny question again >Let's do some math. Yippee, math! :) > Assume fuel is $1.65/gallon, you get 12 mpg with your 3 >speed and you travel 12,000 miles per year. So you presently use 1,000 >gal/yr for a fuel cost of $1650. > >You can adjust the numbers to fit your truck..... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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