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61-79-list Digest Sun, 18 Jun 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 132

In This Issue:
Re: possible to install an ac, power steering & brakes?
Oil Pan
What Engine???
Re: What Engine???
Re: Anyone have some answers on propane!
Re: '67 F series with A/C?
Re: '67 F series with A/C?
dip stick tubes
Re: '67 F series with A/C?
Re: Anyone have some answers on propane!
Re: '67 F series with A/C?
Re: What Engine???
Re: 292 y block info needed for fathers day
5 spd swap
Re: Oil Pan
Re: 5 spd swap
Re: Oil Pan & 351M 4x4 Dipstick length
Color Change
Need help finding a cross member
Need help finding a cross member
Need help finding a cross member
Kroil penetrant
Y-block site?
Re: Anyone have some answers on propane!
PROPANE
Re: '67 F series with A/C?
headers for a 400?
Re: Need help finding a cross member
Re: dip stick tubes
Re: HI GUYS!
Re: Tranny question again

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From: "Ted and Sarah Freeman" ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: possible to install an ac, power steering & brakes?
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 20:35:54 -0400

A/C is not hard to do. I installed a factory unit in my '68. Putting it in
is not hard. Hard part is finding one. Anything between a '67-'72 will
work.

I don't have to mess with the brakes and steering, since both on my truck
are power already.

As far as changing over, I believe all you would need is the booster, master
cylinder and proportioning vavle for your setup (disc/drums or drums/drums).
You should be able to find these off of a donor truck as well. I don't know
that I would use the parts, but you would have cores to turn in and you'd
have the knowledge of what things look like and where they attach.

Steering....you would need the pump, the power steering gear and you would
have to install a different steering column with a shorter shaft.

None of it is really hard, but they are time consuming. I gave a 1000 ft.
view as well. I know others that have done the brake and steering
conversions. Maybe they'll chime in.

I did the A/C myself and am very pleased with it. Took me about a 2 months
to install but most of the time was cleaning and inspecting parts out of the
truck. When I did start on the truck itself, it took me about a week to get
it installed and working. The unit gets very cold. (Thanks again, Stu) If
you have any questions about the A/C part, let me know and I'll try to go
into more detail on what I did with mine.

-Ted
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Subject: [61-79-list] possible to install an ac, power steering & brakes?


>i have a '70 f100 and i was wondering if there was n e way possible to add
an
>air condition unit perhaps, and do they have a kit to make it power brakes
>and even power steering..n e ideas would b appreciated..
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From: Fordman9901 webtv.net
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 20:52:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Oil Pan

Hello all . Getting ready to change from a 351m to a 460 in my truck 77
F250 4x4 need a oil pan and motor mounts to fit it . any of you guys
have either of these laying around you don't need . any help would be
greatly appreciated.
Thanks Randy


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From: "Rick Burdt" adelphia.net>
Subject: What Engine???
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:08:00 -0400


Okay, now I'm getting confused. When I bought my '79 F-150 I was told it had a 351C but was told by many that it wasn't a C engine. I called the local Ford dealership and they told me to get the block numbers, which I did. Called them back and they were clueless from there but they gave me the number to a machine shop and told me that they could tell me what I had in my truck. I called them and they told me that in fact I had a 302 from '68-69 that had probably come out of a car. I thought GREAT, now I can accurately get parts for this. Just now out of boredom I plugged in the first four digits of the block numbers into a search engine and came up with signs that in fact this is actually a 351W. Could someone please tell me what is actually in my truck or direct me to a reputable place I can find out exactly what is in this thing?

Here's the numbers: C90E6015 and the last letter is either a 'B' or 'E'.

Thanks in advance for the legendary wisdom of the group,

Rick
'79 F-150 with God only knows what under the hood.


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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:14:40 -0400
From: bill poudrier ma.ultranet.com>
Subject: Re: What Engine???

The book I have says it it a 1969-70 351Windsor

If the water outlet is on the Intake it makes this much
more certain

Bill

At 09:08 PM 6/18/00 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Okay, now I'm getting confused. When I bought my '79 F-150 I was told it
had a 351C but was told by many that it wasn't a C engine. I called the
local Ford dealership and they told me to get the block numbers, which I
did. Called them back and they were clueless from there but they gave me
the number to a machine shop and told me that they could tell me what I had
in my truck. I called them and they told me that in fact I had a 302 from
'68-69 that had probably come out of a car. I thought GREAT, now I can
accurately get parts for this. Just now out of boredom I plugged in the
first four digits of the block numbers into a search engine and came up
with signs that in fact this is actually a 351W. Could someone please tell
me what is actually in my truck or direct me to a reputable place I can
find out exactly what is in this thing?
>
>Here's the numbers: C90E6015 and the last letter is either a 'B' or 'E'.
>
>Thanks in advance for the legendary wisdom of the group,
>
>Rick
>'79 F-150 with God only knows what under the hood.
>
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From: "Eric Washburn" flash.net>
Subject: Re: Anyone have some answers on propane!
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 20:19:13 -0500

We used to have a 60s/70s model Ford truck tractor that had a 427 side oiler
that ran on propane only. It did pretty good hauling a 47-ft trailer =) I
don't have any info on it though, cause the boss sold it awhile ago because
we bought bobtails so I don't have any info on it, man I wish I could've
gotten my hands on it....

>From: "John Webster" primeline.net>
>Subject: Anyone have some answers on propane!
>Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 17:57:43 -0400
>
>Hi Folks,
>
> A question for all of you. Feeding the 460 in my '77 F150 4X4 is
cutting
>into the upgrade budget. Does anyone run a full time propane set-up?
Talking
>with someone who does the conversions he said that there may not be a unit
>big enough to feed a healthy 385. Does anyone have any real world
>experience? Any help or directions to links would be appreciated.
>Thanks,
>John
>'77 F150 4X4 460/C6/4:11's/33's


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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 20:38:53 -0500
From: "Charles D. Childers, Jr." pdq.net>
Subject: Re: '67 F series with A/C?

I had a '72 Sport Custom with true factory air, and it used those same
controls, but the unit itself mounted under dash, and contained the vents
there. My grandfather had a '70 model with dealer-installed factory air,
and it too mounted under dash, but had it's own controls. I really don't
think you could get a true factory unit in '67. If anything, it was a
dealer-installed item.

Just my thoughts, Charles

"Southerland, Rich" wrote:

> Anyone know if the '67 F-series could be had with factory A/C?
> If so, does it use the push-pull cables to control it like the non-A/C
> trucks do?
>
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:42:01 -0400
From: bill poudrier ma.ultranet.com>
Subject: Re: '67 F series with A/C?

Next time you go to a swap meet, Go to one of the
original literature places and take a look at the
sales brochures for the truck. It should give you
a pretty good idea of what could be had.

Bill


At 08:38 PM 6/18/00 -0500, you wrote:
>I had a '72 Sport Custom with true factory air, and it used those same
>controls, but the unit itself mounted under dash, and contained the vents
>there. My grandfather had a '70 model with dealer-installed factory air,
>and it too mounted under dash, but had it's own controls. I really don't
>think you could get a true factory unit in '67. If anything, it was a
>dealer-installed item.
>
>Just my thoughts, Charles
>
>"Southerland, Rich" wrote:
>
>> Anyone know if the '67 F-series could be had with factory A/C?
>> If so, does it use the push-pull cables to control it like the non-A/C
>> trucks do?
>>
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From: "G & J Boling" alltel.net>
Subject: dip stick tubes
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:46:30 -0700

Pat Wilson's T Bird parts has NEW tubes for 20.00 each all of these F/E
tubes were the same far as i know of and should work even in pickup trucks
they are on the web and have on line ordering also I THINK if you order
on-line even if your in Canada you could avoid all the taxes also imposed
on you up there
Gordon

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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:50:43 -0400
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: '67 F series with A/C?

At 09:42 PM 6/18/00 , you wrote:
>Next time you go to a swap meet, Go to one of the
>original literature places and take a look at the
>sales brochures for the truck. It should give you
>a pretty good idea of what could be had.
>
>Bill

I've been watching everyone play guessing games so I
thought I'd give ya'll the scoop:

AC was not available from Ford in the F-series until
68. This data is from all of their "Illustrated Facts
and Features" manuals sold on our web site, notably
the 67-68 edition.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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From: "G & J Boling" alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Anyone have some answers on propane!
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:52:52 -0700



>
> Hi Folks,
>
> A question for all of you. Feeding the 460 in my '77 F150 4X4 is
cutting
> into the upgrade budget. Does anyone run a full time propane set-up?
Talking
> with someone who does the conversions he said that there may not be a
unit
> big enough to feed a healthy 385. Does anyone have any real world
> experience? Any help or directions to links would be appreciated.
> Thanks,
> John
========================================
a few years back when fuel prices were high also i recall seeing a few of
them running propane ALSO if they can run mass transit buses in cities on
propane there is NO REASON WHY there should not be a unit large enough to
feed a 460 these busses are running diesel motors converted to propane and
natural gas and are ALLOT larger than a 460
gordon

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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:58:53 -0400
From: bill poudrier ma.ultranet.com>
Subject: Re: '67 F series with A/C?

At 09:50 PM 6/18/00 -0400, you wrote:
>At 09:42 PM 6/18/00 , you wrote:
>>Next time you go to a swap meet, Go to one of the
>>original literature places and take a look at the
>>sales brochures for the truck. It should give you
>>a pretty good idea of what could be had.
>>
>>Bill
>
>I've been watching everyone play guessing games so I
>thought I'd give ya'll the scoop:
>
>AC was not available from Ford in the F-series until
>68. This data is from all of their "Illustrated Facts
>and Features" manuals sold on our web site, notably
>the 67-68 edition.
>
>Ken Payne
>Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
>

I guess they figure truck drivers are tough eh! 8*) I worked
a ford dealer in 1968-9 and did not remember. I did drive at
least 100 Cobra Jet Torinos and Mach 1 Mustangs, and many more
just plain 351W Mach 1's. Wish I could go back for a week, just
watched Back to the Future...

As a side question I need an Ehaust system for a 2WD 1979 F150
but hooker only makes one for a 4WD. Should I be able to get
it to fit?

Bill
Old Ford Freak, 22 vehicles and rising.

Bill



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From: "davidl" tbcnet.com>
Subject: Re: What Engine???
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:54:33 -0500

in the book I have it does not list the block # but the #c90e-b is the
head casting # for a 351w 69-74 years

hope that helps and not adds to your confusion

Dave out of the swap meet guide.
nice book for casting #s of high performance
kid is putting himself through school with them
www.engine-parts.com

-----Original Message-----
From: bill poudrier ma.ultranet.com>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Sunday, June 18, 2000 8:18 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: What Engine???


>The book I have says it it a 1969-70 351Windsor
>
>If the water outlet is on the Intake it makes this much
>more certain
>
>Bill
>
>At 09:08 PM 6/18/00 -0400, you wrote:
>>
>>Okay, now I'm getting confused. When I bought my '79 F-150 I was told it
>had a 351C but was told by many that it wasn't a C engine. I called the
>local Ford dealership and they told me to get the block numbers, which I
>did. Called them back and they were clueless from there but they gave me
>the number to a machine shop and told me that they could tell me what I had
>in my truck. I called them and they told me that in fact I had a 302 from
>'68-69 that had probably come out of a car. I thought GREAT, now I can
>accurately get parts for this. Just now out of boredom I plugged in the
>first four digits of the block numbers into a search engine and came up
>with signs that in fact this is actually a 351W. Could someone please tell
>me what is actually in my truck or direct me to a reputable place I can
>find out exactly what is in this thing?
>>
>>Here's the numbers: C90E6015 and the last letter is either a 'B' or 'E'.
>>
>>Thanks in advance for the legendary wisdom of the group,
>>
>>Rick
>>'79 F-150 with God only knows what under the hood.
>>
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From: "davidl" tbcnet.com>
Subject: Re: 292 y block info needed for fathers day
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:03:19 -0500

Yes all the answers that I needed to bring the 62 to life. y blocks are
different and now it lives and breathes. had her up to 60mph but king pind
are loose. But what fun on fathers day.

Thanks to all
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: bill poudrier ma.ultranet.com>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Sunday, June 18, 2000 3:06 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 292 y block info needed for fathers day


>I made the assumption that this is a 292!
>
> 1 2 3 4
>fan Dist
> 5 6 7 8
>
>A 292 has the distributor in the back
>
>dist rotation is CCW Ignition timing is 4 BTDC for std
> 10 BTDC for Auto
>THESE SPECS ARE FOR A CAR THOUGH!
>
>
>At 07:58 PM 6/17/00 -0500, you wrote:
>>Ok then the thing will not start at all. So how are the banks # like all
the
>>fords?
>>left bank 1234 right 5678 or were they different?
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: bill poudrier ma.ultranet.com>
>>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
>>Date: Saturday, June 17, 2000 6:57 PM
>>Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 292 y block info needed for fathers day
>>
>>
>>>Firing Order: 1,5,4,8,6,3,7,2
>>>
>>>All valves 0.019 Hot
>>>
>>>Points 0.015
>>>
>>>Sorry, don't have the dwell
>>>
>>>Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>At 04:30 PM 6/17/00 -0500, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>>OK I got the old girl running. 1962 f100 unibody.
>>>>But have no books.
>>>>I need for fathers day the firing order and the valve lash
>>>>The cap is marker 1 but of course some one has move the wires
>>>>I have a back fire and found two wires that were the problem last night.
>>But
>>>>after dropping a push rod from an adjuster backing off. Now I have a
back
>>>>fire again. And I would like to make sure all else is right.
>>>>
>>>>And while you have your book of knowledge open the points gap dwell and
>>>>timing.
>>>>Thanks in advance this list is the best for help.
>>>>Ps. any one have an answer on how to keep the starter in a 1970 f100
390
>>>>motor with headers from burning up starters I have a friend that has a
bad
>>>>time of this. Any one make a heat shield or have any luck with this.
>>>> Dave
>>>>62 unibody in the making 292
>>>>61 donor unibody 302
>>>>77 e350 motor home 460
>>>>78 f250 4x4 429
>>>>83 f250 4x4 weak 302
>>>>85 f250 4x4 6.9
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 19:58:25 -0700
From: scott ford-trucks.com>
Subject: 5 spd swap

A friend of mine has a 91 W/302 and a 5 spd trans.
The transmisson went out at 110,000.When he had it rebuilt they
told him he was lucky as they rarely make it 100,000 miles.
I have a friend at the local dealership who confirms this.
My advise would be if you get a 5spd from that has anywhere
near 100k on it,get it checked by a shop before installation.
I believe they also have the hydralic clutch set up which should
also be checked.
The 5spd is not a "bad" transmission,it is just not as sturdy as the
T-18-19 or New Process 4spds.

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From: "davidl" tbcnet.com>
Subject: Re: Oil Pan
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:25:06 -0500

Look on ebay looks like all you need
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=357844185
It is at 71 dollars pan dipstick pick up and pump used
Dave

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From: Fordman9901 webtv.net webtv.net>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Sunday, June 18, 2000 7:55 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Oil Pan


>Hello all . Getting ready to change from a 351m to a 460 in my truck 77
>F250 4x4 need a oil pan and motor mounts to fit it . any of you guys
>have either of these laying around you don't need . any help would be
>greatly appreciated.
>Thanks Randy
>
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From: "Phil & Debi" stargate.net>
Subject: Re: 5 spd swap
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 23:22:33 -0400



> A friend of mine has a 91 W/302 and a 5 spd trans.
> The transmisson went out at 110,000.When he had it rebuilt they
> told him he was lucky as they rarely make it 100,000 miles.
> I have a friend at the local dealership who confirms this.

Really? I must be lucky then, my 91 with 300 six cyl and 5 spd trans has
178,000 miles on it and everything is original, unopened, even has original
clutch and still going strong. But I have heard from others that the trans
usually don't last that long. When mine goes I plan on upgrading to the ZF 5
speed, hear its a little stronger and has better gears for towing.

Phil Beattie
66 F100
70 F100
91 F150 4x4


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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 23:40:08 -0400
From: David Wadson air.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Oil Pan & 351M 4x4 Dipstick length

>Hello all . Getting ready to change from a 351m to a 460 in my truck 77
>F250 4x4 need a oil pan and motor mounts to fit it . any of you guys
>have either of these laying around you don't need . any help would be
>greatly appreciated.
>Thanks Randy

What's the length of your dipstick from the 351M? I have a chunk of brake
tubing with the proper sized fitting but I need an accurate measurement of
how long the tube is from the end, down to the fitting at the oil pan so I
know where to cut the brake line. Would you be able to measure it up for me?


David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca
"PS1" - 79 F100 ...ground into a million pieces.
"PS2" - 78 F100 ...currently alive and kicking.
"PS3" - 79 F150 4x4 ...now what have I gotten myself into...
Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada



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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 20:58:30 -0700
From: scott ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Color Change

>>>>> doing a color change is not that easy. Think about
having purple on the outside and still green on the interior. If
you have a green dash pad or other parts that you would need to
change to match as well as paint the interior.

I did a exterior/interior color change on my 76 and I can atest to the
fact that it is alot of work,especially if you need to drive the truck
daily.
I rounded up some door panels,sun visors,headliner,dash pad and a
seat.I then dyed the visors etc. to match the seat.I also ordered up a
carpet kit.
I also picked up some better exterior trim,window cranks etc.etc.and
stored them away with the interior parts.
Hopefully you can skip the next phase,but I had alot of body work to
do.
I would work on a section and get it close and then move to another
area.
Eventualy the truck was mostly primered,so I went ahead and primed the
whole truck and started blocking it out.After countless hours it was
ready to paint.
I originaly planned on having the truck shot by someone else,but after
all the priming I felt pretty comfortable with a gun so I pulled the
hood off,painted the under side of it,the upper most part of the fire
wall and the portion of the front fenders the hood hides when down.(I
painted the lower portion of the firewall black previously when I had
the engine out).I then pulled the camper shell off and painted it and
the inside of the bed.
At this point the truck had to be parked for completion.The interior
came out, all the trim came off and the windshield came out.Windshield
has to come out to paint the pillars behind it.I shot the interior first
and then the exterior.By the time i got to the exterior I was very
comfortable shooting paint.It came out pretty good except for some bugs
and dust.(I shot it in my driveway).I then installed all my new trim and
interior parts carpet etc. and the truck looked great.It took me three
loooong days to disassemble
paint and reassemble the truck into running condition and a couple of
more days spent on the smaller parts and details.
I later spent 2 days color sanding and buffing.
A color change is alot of work,but if you are willing to do the
disassembly,sanding,some minor body work and the reassembly you can save
a
small fortune.
BTW paint your truck whatever color you like.After going to all this
work you won't be selling it any time soon;)

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From: "Matt Schu" hotmail.com>
Subject: Need help finding a cross member
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 20:14:46 AKDT




>From: scott ford-trucks.com>
>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>To: "61-79-list ford-trucks.com" <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
>Subject: [61-79-list] Color Change
>Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 20:58:30 -0700
>
> >>>>> doing a color change is not that easy. Think about
> having purple on the outside and still green on the interior. If
> you have a green dash pad or other parts that you would need to
> change to match as well as paint the interior.
>
> I did a exterior/interior color change on my 76 and I can atest to the
>fact that it is alot of work,especially if you need to drive the truck
>daily.
> I rounded up some door panels,sun visors,headliner,dash pad and a
>seat.I then dyed the visors etc. to match the seat.I also ordered up a
>carpet kit.
> I also picked up some better exterior trim,window cranks etc.etc.and
>stored them away with the interior parts.
> Hopefully you can skip the next phase,but I had alot of body work to
>do.
>I would work on a section and get it close and then move to another
>area.
>Eventualy the truck was mostly primered,so I went ahead and primed the
>whole truck and started blocking it out.After countless hours it was
>ready to paint.
> I originaly planned on having the truck shot by someone else,but after
>all the priming I felt pretty comfortable with a gun so I pulled the
>hood off,painted the under side of it,the upper most part of the fire
>wall and the portion of the front fenders the hood hides when down.(I
>painted the lower portion of the firewall black previously when I had
>the engine out).I then pulled the camper shell off and painted it and
>the inside of the bed.
> At this point the truck had to be parked for completion.The interior
>came out, all the trim came off and the windshield came out.Windshield
>has to come out to paint the pillars behind it.I shot the interior first
>and then the exterior.By the time i got to the exterior I was very
>comfortable shooting paint.It came out pretty good except for some bugs
>and dust.(I shot it in my driveway).I then installed all my new trim and
>interior parts carpet etc. and the truck looked great.It took me three
>loooong days to disassemble
>paint and reassemble the truck into running condition and a couple of
>more days spent on the smaller parts and details.
> I later spent 2 days color sanding and buffing.
> A color change is alot of work,but if you are willing to do the
>disassembly,sanding,some minor body work and the reassembly you can save
>a
>small fortune.
> BTW paint your truck whatever color you like.After going to all this
>work you won't be selling it any time soon;)
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From: "Matt Schu" hotmail.com>
Subject: Need help finding a cross member
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 20:26:15 AKDT

List,

I am in need of a new cross member. The one I have looks to bent up to save
(but I haven't tried). I looked for one in a couple of wrecking yards but
it seems that ford used a different cross member on part time 4x4 trucks
than they did on full time 4x4 trucks because I have the full time TC and
all of the trucks I looked at (one was the same year) had a part time TC
with a different cross member. Can anyone confirm this? Also if it isn't
to much trouble can a couple of you list members call around to some local
yards for me and see if you can find a cross member that fits a 76 Ford
F-150 with a c6/np203? Due to me living in Alaska I have a very limited
supply of old ford trucks in wrecking yards. I think I am going to try to
get a picture of the cross member posted soon so that it will be obvious
which part I need.

thanks for any help you can send.

schu

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From: "Matt Schu" hotmail.com>
Subject: Need help finding a cross member
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 20:41:03 AKDT

Sorry about the last email, it didn't post correctly for some reason...

List,

I need help finding a cross member for my 76 F-150 390 C6/NP203. I was not
able to find one locally because all of the trucks I found in wrecking yards
have a different cross member. Apparently ford used a different cross
member on the NP203 and NP205 equipped trucks because I was able to find
another 76 in a yard but it had a different cross member with the only
difference being that it had a NP205 TC. Can anyone confirm this? Anyway, I
am unable to locate one in Alaska so far. Can I get some of you list
members to call a couple of local yards and see if you can't locate one for
me. I will try to get a picture of it online soon so that it will be easy
to match up.

thanks

schu
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From: "glperry" fwi.com>
Subject: Kroil penetrant
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 00:54:40 -0500

I just bought some of there stuff. Site is www.kanolabs.com and two
numbers I have are: 1-615-833-4101 and 1-800-311-3374
Try these, I just went to web site, so know it works.
"G"
G. L. Perry
Huntington, IN
54 Chevy 2-ton (driver)
50 Chevy COE (project)
MM Jet Star 3 Super (tractor)


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From: "glperry" fwi.com>
Subject: Y-block site?
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 00:58:37 -0500

I know there is a web site for small block engines but can't remember
what it was or where I got it. It was a link from some car site, couldn't
find it on FTE site. It has lots of info and pix. There is a book on Y-block
rebuild and ID from Motorbooks International. I have it and it
is nice for part numbers and other things. Check FTE bookstore site,
they may have it.
"G"
G. L. Perry
Huntington, IN
54 Chevy 2-ton (driver)
50 Chevy COE (project)
MM Jet Star 3 Super (tractor)


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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 02:56:10 -0700
From: John Lord home.com>
Subject: Re: Anyone have some answers on propane!

I am running Propane only in my 74 F250 4x4 with a 351w. It is my preferred
fuel. that is all i have run for years in my last few cars / trucks. I have
dealt with Ford's FE's and 460, as well as 300 I-6's running on propane.

Impco's largest mixer is said to put out 425 cfm, and OHG's is the biggest at
450 cfm. the both bolt directly to a Holly 4 bbl carb base plate. (OHG is also
the most reliable)

It is true that propane mixers can be a cause of fuel starvation but only under
certain conditions. the problem is that at higher rpm there is not enough fuel
flow but only then, if you are running with a light load or at hiway speeds you
would be perfectly fine. What shops have found is that a single mixer cant even
flow enough to to keep up with a performance 302 in a mustang at rpm above 4000
(Impco brands seem to be the worst).
There are only 2 ways to solve the problem,
(1) The purchase of a second mixer (carb) and vaporizer (regulator) and you bolt
them onto a Dual 4 bbl manifold.
(2) The purchase of a second mixer (carb) and vaporizer (regulator) and you find
the adapter to bolt both mixers onto a single 4 bbl holly base plate. It is a
rare item , i have seen them and have been asked if my fathers machine shop
could produce them because of there supply and demand problems.

Because of the gaseous nature of propane the second choice would work perfectly.

Now in my case, with my truck, i have 4.10 gears and i can get the old 4x4 to do
over 120 mph with my 351w.
It is running well above 4000 rpm and i have found no need for a second OHG
mixer setup. I have pushed my engine on the hiway to 5300 rpm with no noticeable
loss of power and will go farther as soon as i get my roller rockers new,
springs and a way to stop tearing out my motor mounts ...... YES you can get
that much power from a properly build propane engine!

John Webster wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> A question for all of you. Feeding the 460 in my '77 F150 4X4 is cutting
> into the upgrade budget. Does anyone run a full time propane set-up? Talking
> with someone who does the conversions he said that there may not be a unit
> big enough to feed a healthy 385. Does anyone have any real world
> experience? Any help or directions to links would be appreciated.
> Thanks,
> John
> '77 F150 4X4 460/C6/4:11's/33's
>
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From: "G & J Boling" alltel.net>
Subject: PROPANE
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 06:31:22 -0700



one thing i have read about using propane or natural gas is you can go
further on oil changes and they say engines last longer also ive never run
or had one but it would make sense because you would not get the
contaniments that gasoline gives when burnt
gordon

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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:33:35 -0400
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: '67 F series with A/C?


> >
> >I've been watching everyone play guessing games so I
> >thought I'd give ya'll the scoop:
> >
> >AC was not available from Ford in the F-series until
> >68. This data is from all of their "Illustrated Facts
> >and Features" manuals sold on our web site, notably
> >the 67-68 edition.
> >
> >Ken Payne
> >Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
> >
>
>I guess they figure truck drivers are tough eh! 8*) I worked
>a ford dealer in 1968-9 and did not remember. I did drive at
>least 100 Cobra Jet Torinos and Mach 1 Mustangs, and many more
>just plain 351W Mach 1's. Wish I could go back for a week, just
>watched Back to the Future...

Me too... makes me feel old. I sat there and said to "hey, 1984
just happened!" Then my daughter said "dad, this movie is old."

The interesting thing is that back then, lack of factory A/C
was not a big deal because there was such a large aftermarket.

>As a side question I need an Ehaust system for a 2WD 1979 F150
>but hooker only makes one for a 4WD. Should I be able to get
>it to fit?

Ouch, can't answer that one. It should, but the big questionable
thing is how they route it up front.

Ken



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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 07:33:07 -0500
Subject: headers for a 400?
From: "Rusty Nail" mmgworldwide.com>

I know this was just discussed less than a month ago but, I don't recall
ever seeing an answer. Does anybody know a manufacturer that makes headers
for the 2wd 400 motor with dual fuel tanks? I'm also thinking of this
changeover if I can find the headers.

thanks for any help.

rusty in kcmo
77 400 2wd

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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 06:57:55 -0700
From: Don Grossman mac.com>
Subject: Re: Need help finding a cross member

>List,
>
>I am in need of a new cross member. The one I have looks to bent up
>to save (but I haven't tried). I looked for one in a couple of
>wrecking yards but it seems that ford used a different cross member
>on part time 4x4 trucks than they did on full time 4x4 trucks
>because I have the full time TC and all of the trucks I looked at
>(one was the same year) had a part time TC with a different cross
>member. Can anyone confirm this? Also if it isn't to much trouble
>can a couple of you list members call around to some local yards for
>me and see if you can find a cross member that fits a 76 Ford F-150
>with a c6/np203? Due to me living in Alaska I have a very limited
>supply of old ford trucks in wrecking yards. I think I am going to
>try to get a picture of the cross member posted soon so that it will
>be obvious which part I need.
>
>thanks for any help you can send.

Hmmm.... I have a transmission cross member out of a 77 F-150 with a
four speed and 205. Does anyone think it might be the same?. I was
going to use it but found it just as easy to make my own as needed.
I will try to get a picture of it up on the web in a couple of days
for comparison. Would cost a bit to ship being heavy and all so we
should make sure it is the right one.

Laters
--
Don Grossman
duckdon mac.com

43 GPW
63 F-100 4x4
77 F250
99 Contour

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From: "wish" ford-trucks.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:34:20 GMT
Subject: Re: dip stick tubes



>Pat Wilson's T Bird parts has NEW tubes for 20.00 each all of these F/E
>tubes were the same far as i know of and should work even in pickup trucks



Unless you have a 4x4, the 4x4 uses a dipstick that goes through the pan and
you just plug off the block style tube ... rear sump's are funny that way ...


Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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From: "wish" ford-trucks.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:37:23 GMT
Subject: Re: HI GUYS!



>Is there a vocational school or college near by you that has a auto body
>class ? I have taken some of my vehicles to a vocational school near here
&
>they use your vehicle as part of their training in auto body class. Usually

>all you have to pay for is the materials. Just an idea. I had them repaint
a
>' 79 Cougar for me (no rust or collision work--just a repaint) and it only

>cost me $ 249.00 .I was really suprised that it turned out real good.


Yikes, this can be really hit or miss ... one of my friends in highschool took
his 70 Cougar in to get painted by one of these places ... after they had it
for 4 months or so it had finally gotten some primer. They'd also had to do
some quarter panel work, and when they put the new ones on they never cut the
holes for the side marker lights. Which is odd because I've never seen a patch
panel for those that didn't have the marker light hole in it already ... then
the primer was all over the chrome bumpers and everything, they hadn't masked
or removed anything that wasn't in the direct line of spray ... its was a pretty
bad job.

My girlfriend's also had similar experiences with their tech shop doing shoddy
engine rebuilds and her car is actually a rebuilt from there which is better,
but still isn't quite right ... she didn't find out it was from that place til
after she bought it, but she did know it was a salvage ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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From: "wish" ford-trucks.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:42:28 GMT
Subject: Re: Tranny question again

>Let's do some math.

Yippee, math! :)


> Assume fuel is $1.65/gallon, you get 12 mpg with your 3
>speed and you travel 12,000 miles per year. So you presently use 1,000
>gal/yr for a fuel cost of $1650.
>
>You can adjust the numbers to fit your truck.....


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