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61-79-list Digest Wed, 14 Jun 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 128

In This Issue:
Re: Where will it end....
Re: 460 conversion fix up
ADMIN: 39-69 shop manuals
Re: 351W vs 460
FE swap (reverse rotation)
Re: F250 4x4 '78 lefthand drive Powersteering unit wanted
Re: 351W vs 460
Starter problems continue
Re: Truck web site
Re: Starter problems continue
Re: 351W vs 460
Re: 65-6 body on 73-9 frame
wheel wells
Re: 351W vs 460
Re: 65-6 body on 73-9 frame
Re: 351W vs 460
Fire Truck
Re: What is Fender Welt and will I need to buy some?
Re: What is Fender Welt and will I need to buy some?
Classic T-Shirts
Re: 351W vs 460
Engine Problems
Re: wheel wells
351W or 400?
Re: 351W or 400?
Re: 351W or 400?
Re: 351W or 400?

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From: SHill48337 aol.com
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:43:00 EDT
Subject: Re: Where will it end....

In a message dated 6/14/00 5:17:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
flash1 alltel.net writes:

<< ry SUMITT RACING and see if they have a dip stick for your truck they seem
to have most anything else for the engines i have seen them in their
catalog i know FOR SURE
Gordon
>>

When you try Summit call and ask them if they can get it. They can get many
many things that are not in their catalog. And generally they will give you
a better price than you will find else where.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460

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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: 460 conversion fix up
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 00:00:04 -0400

Take the radiator out & unbolt the engine from the motor mounts.Pick it up
with an engine crane & move the engine forward enough to get the tranny slid
backwards away from the motor.
-----Original Message-----
From: Toby Till charter.net>
To: FTE <61-79-listford-trucks.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 2:08 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] 460 conversion fix up


>
>I am in the process of straiting some of the problems with my 75' F250
highboy. It has a 460 in it now but origionaly came with a 360. The guy who
put the motor in used 351M mounts and adapted them some how to make it all
fit in the truck. When trying to pull the trans I found that the motor is
sitting to high in the truck because the bell housing was hitting the cab
and there was not enough room to get the input shaft out of the pressure
plate. The frame horns are origional. I need to knnow what the nex step is.
I have contacted L&L but the person answering the phone was of little help.
I need someone who knows what they are talking about and has done this
conversion of putting a 460 in a highboy. If you have done this please let
me know so I can get some measurements. The truck has PS,and A/C and uses a
L&L PS bracket and L&L fender well exit headers. It has a staggered four
core radiator that the core measures 24.5" X 26.5". the problem here is the
shroud that is on it does!
> not cover the top 4" and the bottom 2" of core. I want to fix this because
I can not let the truck sit and idle with the A/C on in this Atlanta heat.
If you have a shroud that will fit my rad. let me know what you want for it.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Toby Till
>
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 00:37:31 -0400
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: 39-69 shop manuals

To all Ford Truck Enthusiasts list subscribers:

The good news is Ford Truck Enthusiasts continues to grow.

The bad news is our expenses go up each month as a result of
co-location bandwidth fees.

The **GREAT** news is, until we get a few more advertisers,
we're putting some things on sale in the web store to cover the web
site expenses. From now until June 22nd (one week), all 1939-1969
shop manuals are 15% off with the exception of 1949-1952, 1954-1955
and 1956 manuals. If you go to the web site, www.ford-trucks.com
and go into the online store, you'll see the sale section.

Thanks gang,
Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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From: SHill48337aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 00:45:08 EDT
Subject: Re: 351W vs 460

I would like to hear some discussion of the following subject: Making the
choice between reringing a 351W and making a cam change verses rebuilding a
460. The truck is a F-150 4x4 with a 351W with a C6 and attached transfer
case. Have a 460 that will cost around $800 to rebuild. The goal is to have
a truck that can go through the woods on hunting trips and occasionally pull
a large camping trailer. The current engine does fine in the woods, but only
pulls the trailer up steep freeway hills at 30 MPH in low gear. If a 268 or
270 were put in this engine would that significantly improve freeway hills
with the trailer? Obviously this would be the cheapest fix.

A little more information, the current 351W's rings are shot at 40K due to
carb being too rich for half of those miles. So this engine needs to be
repaired. But shifting over to the 460 means getting a C6 with transfer case
that will bolt to the 460 as the 351W configuration will not.

So, bottom line question, will the higher RPM cam allow this engine to
perform better on the freeway? Would it be possible to get 45 or 50 in
second gear, instead of 30 MPH? Or is there no substitute displacement??
Any and all ideas are welcome. I know the 460 will pull these hills at
around 60 or better. Thanks
Burt Hill Kennewick, WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460

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Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 21:33:50 -0700
From: mcloughpage.az.net (Michael Clough)
Subject: FE swap (reverse rotation)

Concerning the reverse rotation, I know that in some twin engine inboard
applications, the port (left) engine will be set up to run backwards so
the prop will turn backwards. I would say that it would be rare to run
across one but it is always possible. I have never seen a FE version
that did this but I have seen several Mercruiser (Ch*vy) units set up
this way on large cruisers. If it has a stern drive on it then they
should all turn the same way. The reverse rotation thing only was
applied to inboards (direct drive or v-drive).

later, mike

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From: Brazzadogaol.com
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 03:54:46 EDT
Subject: Re: F250 4x4 '78 lefthand drive Powersteering unit wanted

> From: "warrick" yahoo.co.uk>
> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:33:07 +0200
>
> I have a 1978 lefthand drive Ford F250 4x4. Which im trying
> to find a power steering unit to fit. I live in south africa and parts
> and accessories are very scarce. Please could anyone help with
> ideas.

One of the 4x4 magazines just did an article on swapping a 4x4 front axle
under a 2 wheel drive Ford pickup. They used a Chevy power steering box and
talked about how they fabricated the mount. I've seen it done on a '77 F-250
4x4. If Chevrolet products are more common and you have access to someone
who could fabricate the mount, that might be your best option.

Ben Williams
'71 Wagoneer
'78 F-250 4x4
'88 Bronco

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From: "G & J Boling" alltel.net>
Subject: Re: 351W vs 460
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 05:26:28 -0700



> So, bottom line question, will the higher RPM cam allow this engine to
> perform better on the freeway? Would it be possible to get 45 or 50 in
> second gear, instead of 30 MPH? Or is there no substitute displacement??

> Any and all ideas are welcome. I know the 460 will pull these hills at
> around 60 or better. Thanks
> Burt Hill Kennewick, WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460
> ========================================
well as you said theres no replacement for dis-placement UNLESS your going
to stick a ton of money into the 351 windsor
go with the 460 it seems to be the better choice for what your doing
gordon

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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:26:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: younkersauracom.com (R)
Subject: Starter problems continue

OK, so I now know I have a 1980 302 in my 78. I've put a new starter on,
tried swapping out the solenoid switch, charged the battery over night (it's
only two years old) and still there's no power going to the starter, or so
it seems. When I turn the key, the solenoid noise is audible but it almost
sounds as if something is binding the starter. I can turn the engine over
by hand so it's not that. Seems like the battery power is being dissipated
somewhere before it gets to the starter. I've cut out a couple of fusible
links and closed those circuits (a couple of those links were in real bad
shape) but still have no solution. I really need to get this going by
Friday as I have to travel about 200 km away. Any ideas on this problem
would be greatly appreciated. Email me directly if you can as I'm on digest
and will be trying to get her going this evening before I go to work.
Thanks all,

Robert Younker
Bonkrr

younkersauracom.com
Proud Owner
1978 F-150 Step Side 4X4 (156,000km) plate - NTFRGLE
1995 SHO Taurus (134,000km)
1987 Thunderbird Turbo Coupe (249,000 km) plate - PWRBY4D

Over 500,000 kilometres of Power By FORD


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From: "Don Jones" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Truck web site
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 05:59:14 PDT

Thats a cool fire truck.
Our fire dept is currently spec'ing out a new a new truck to replace a 1971
CH* van.
Right now it looks like we are going to get an f-450 crew cab with a
powerstroke diesel, extended wheelbase and custom walk through back.
Interesting thing is that the company that does the conversions wont touch
a GM because they dont make the equivelant to an f-450 and its too
complicated to extend the frame.

Don Jones
1970 f-250 4X4

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From: "wish" ford-trucks.net>
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:30:09 GMT
Subject: Re: Starter problems continue



>OK, so I now know I have a 1980 302 in my 78. I've put a new starter on,
>tried swapping out the solenoid switch, charged the battery over night (it's

>only two years old) and still there's no power going to the starter, or so

>it seems. When I turn the key, the solenoid noise is audible but it almost

>sounds as if something is binding the starter


Can you actually hear the starter engage ? I'd suspect a corroded wire, they
corrode on the inside so you can't really see it all the time, but if you touch
the wires they should be hot. I'd check the one running from the starter to
the solenoid and from the solenoid to the battery. I'd also check for ground
wires, there should be one from the block to the chassis and then to the battery
(or directly to the battery) and there should also be one from the back of the
engine to the firewall.

I've also had a layer of grease and stuff build up under my starter and the
bolts come loose to the point that there's no ground through the starter itself.
I can't swear that was the problem, but all I did was remove and re-install
the same starter and it worked fine after that.

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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From: "wish" ford-trucks.net>
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:40:04 GMT
Subject: Re: 351W vs 460



>I would like to hear some discussion of the following subject: Making the

>choice between reringing a 351W and making a cam change verses rebuilding a

>460. The truck is a F-150 4x4 with a 351W with a C6 and attached transfer

>case.

That's quite a choice ... what year are we talkin about with the 351W ?

> Have a 460 that will cost around $800 to rebuild.

What year is the truck? A 460 will require a new tranny (as you mentioned below)
and possibly some specialized motor mounts along with all the accessories and
such, its quite a lot of work to swap those motors, and you'll have more than
just $800 in it before its done.


> The goal is to have
>a truck that can go through the woods on hunting trips and occasionally pull

>a large camping trailer. The current engine does fine in the woods, but only

>pulls the trailer up steep freeway hills at 30 MPH in low gear. If a 268 or

>270 were put in this engine would that significantly improve freeway hills

>with the trailer? Obviously this would be the cheapest fix.
>

>So, bottom line question, will the higher RPM cam allow this engine to
>perform better on the freeway?

Regarding latemodel trucks especially, Tony will vouch that I've been saying
you've gotta make them breathe. The stock 351W's are generally so undercammed
and so bottlenecked that they can't produce the power you need at any kind of
hiway use rpm. What sort of gears are you running ? We had an 89 with 4.10's
and a C6, talk about a dog. It was pulling 3500rpm's at 65mph. Unfortunately
it was cammed as a work truck and lost all power over 2500, if you were around
2500 it had some pull, but below that it really could pull pretty good.

Now we've got a 93 Lightning ... better cam, better intake, slightly better
computer, oh and better exhaust ... still 4.10 gears, added an OD tranny (the
E4OD actually, which is based on the same C6 we had before) This motor pulls
hard all the way to 5000 rpm's, and can still use the low end grunt to haul
trailers and such around. Now if you're sticking with a C6, you probably don't
want anythign as low as 4.10's if you're doing highway driving, but keeping
those diff's the same makes a good comparison between the two trucks.

My vote, if you're looking for a quick fix would definitely be to cam it and
re-ring it... if that's not enough, you've still got a 460 and you can take
your time setting it up.


Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:58:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brett Habben juno.com>
Subject: Re: 65-6 body on 73-9 frame

Don,
I was also wondering if the wider axle would cause clearance problems with
those tight 65-6 wheel wells. Will the tires clear OK?
Thanks,
Brett
Super75cab
>With the 73-79 frame and a 65-66 bed you are going to need to >make new
holes in the bed or make new mounts.
>Don Grossman
>duckdonmac.com
>>Folks,
>>Has anybody put a '65-66 body on '73-79 frame (2 wheel drive >>only)? In
'73 the wheelbase was lengthened and the rear axle >>was widened. But what
about the box?
>>Thanks,
>>Brett
>


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From: daleratlantic.net
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:24:44 -0400
Subject: wheel wells

hey all!
i'm doing a frame off resto and learning as i go with the body work. I've
slowly acquired all the body tools,compressor etc and am having the time of my
life while at the same time am terrified.it's very exhilerating. Anyway, i've
come to a sticking point and wanted to appeal to the collective group wisdom.
The truck is a '65 F-100 and the inside engine compartment fender/wheel well(i
don't know what they're called) seems to be coated or galvanized i don't know
what exactly. Does anyone know what the finish on them is ? They have a little
rust, not major though. If they are galvanized or whatever, is it common to be
able to find someone that does that kind of resurfacing or am i going to just
have to paint them. IF that is the case, what kind of prep is involved for that
surface so the paint sticks AND what kind of paint is best for resisting the
inevitable fluids that will come in contact with it. I appreciate any info.

Dale Rimkunas
daleratlantic.net

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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: 351W vs 460
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:17:36 -0400

Remember the saying--"There is no substitute for cubic inches" I would go
for the 460 !!! Unless you are worried about gas mileage.
-----Original Message-----
From: SHill48337aol.com aol.com>
To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com <61-79-listford-trucks.com>
Cc: georgeclanurx.com urx.com>
Date: Thursday, June 15, 2000 12:46 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 351W vs 460


>I would like to hear some discussion of the following subject: Making the
>choice between reringing a 351W and making a cam change verses rebuilding a
>460. The truck is a F-150 4x4 with a 351W with a C6 and attached transfer
>case. Have a 460 that will cost around $800 to rebuild. The goal is to
have
>a truck that can go through the woods on hunting trips and occasionally
pull
>a large camping trailer. The current engine does fine in the woods, but
only
>pulls the trailer up steep freeway hills at 30 MPH in low gear. If a 268
or
>270 were put in this engine would that significantly improve freeway hills
>with the trailer? Obviously this would be the cheapest fix.
>
>A little more information, the current 351W's rings are shot at 40K due to
>carb being too rich for half of those miles. So this engine needs to be
>repaired. But shifting over to the 460 means getting a C6 with transfer
case
>that will bolt to the 460 as the 351W configuration will not.
>
>So, bottom line question, will the higher RPM cam allow this engine to
>perform better on the freeway? Would it be possible to get 45 or 50 in
>second gear, instead of 30 MPH? Or is there no substitute displacement??
>Any and all ideas are welcome. I know the 460 will pull these hills at
>around 60 or better. Thanks
>Burt Hill Kennewick, WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460
>==========================================================
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:40:33 -0700
From: Don Grossman mac.com>
Subject: Re: 65-6 body on 73-9 frame

>Don,
>I was also wondering if the wider axle would cause clearance problems with
>those tight 65-6 wheel wells. Will the tires clear OK?
>Thanks,
>Brett
>Super75cab

The final result will be determined by the wheel and tire combination
used. If you don't use a largely oversized tire you should be fine.
Some of it will depend on if you are lowering or lifting the truck.
A stock suspension with a stock wheel and tire you should be fine. I
say should because I don't know the condition of the coils, ect.

--
Don Grossman
duckdonmac.com

43 GPW
63 F-100 4x4
77 F250
99 Contour

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From: "Jason Derra" internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: 351W vs 460
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:48:52 -0700

Yes there is no substitute for cubic inches. But you can stroke a Windsor
to the mid 400 cube range and it will be reliable and provide a lot of power
and low end torque. Equal or better to a stock or mildly built 460. No you
can't do it for less than $800 that your talking for rebuilding the 460.
But along with the 460, there are some other modifications that will drive
the cost up considerably. The stroked Windsor will bolt right back into the
original space.
Jason
'69 Bronco
'96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" williams-net.com>
To: <61-79-listford-trucks.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 8:17 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 351W vs 460


> Remember the saying--"There is no substitute for cubic inches" I would go
> for the 460 !!! Unless you are worried about gas mileage.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SHill48337aol.com aol.com>
> To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com <61-79-listford-trucks.com>
> Cc: georgeclanurx.com urx.com>
> Date: Thursday, June 15, 2000 12:46 AM
> Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 351W vs 460
>
>
> >I would like to hear some discussion of the following subject: Making
the
> >choice between reringing a 351W and making a cam change verses rebuilding
a
> >460. The truck is a F-150 4x4 with a 351W with a C6 and attached
transfer
> >case. Have a 460 that will cost around $800 to rebuild. The goal is to
> have
> >a truck that can go through the woods on hunting trips and occasionally
> pull
> >a large camping trailer. The current engine does fine in the woods, but
> only
> >pulls the trailer up steep freeway hills at 30 MPH in low gear. If a 268
> or
> >270 were put in this engine would that significantly improve freeway
hills
> >with the trailer? Obviously this would be the cheapest fix.
> >
> >A little more information, the current 351W's rings are shot at 40K due
to
> >carb being too rich for half of those miles. So this engine needs to be
> >repaired. But shifting over to the 460 means getting a C6 with transfer
> case
> >that will bolt to the 460 as the 351W configuration will not.
> >
> >So, bottom line question, will the higher RPM cam allow this engine to
> >perform better on the freeway? Would it be possible to get 45 or 50 in
> >second gear, instead of 30 MPH? Or is there no substitute displacement??
> >Any and all ideas are welcome. I know the 460 will pull these hills at
> >around 60 or better. Thanks
> >Burt Hill Kennewick, WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460
> >==========================================================
> >To unsubscribe, send email to: listarford-trucks.com with
> >the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the
> >message.
> >
>
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:35:01 -0400
From: "Don Haring, Jr." fedora.net>
Subject: Fire Truck

Nate cs.com> said:

>In a message dated 6/13/00 10:58:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
>tim-pamwilliams-net.com writes:
<< It is that light yellowish color with a nice flame job
<< painted on the front.Looks cool. >>

>Hmmm... a firetruck with flames on it. That's irony in its purest form.
>Don't think I've ever seen that before.

That's called "fighting fire with fire."
*groan* Sorry, that was too easy. ;)

-don

--
Don in Philadelphia #8142, Editor/Internet Director, Keystone Chapter FCA
66 Falcon Deluxe Club Wagon (daily driver)
61 Falcon Futura | Vespa and Lambretta scooters



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From: "David J. Turner" esn.net>
Subject: Re: What is Fender Welt and will I need to buy some?
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:26:56 -0400

MabelFrom: Garrett Nelson writeme.com>
To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com <61-79-listford-trucks.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 8:30 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] What is Fender Welt and will I need to buy some?

Garrett, Your 66 looks good. I repainted my 66 in my own drive way! Had
everything off except the cab. Didn't take it off the chassis. ( amateur
restoration.)

Anyway about your question on fender welt. Fender welt was commonly used
during the 30's 40's and 50's to seal the fender panels to the body. Most
of it is about 1 1/2' wide rubberized cloth with a small round bead on one
side. The small bead is the only part that shows on the vehicle.

Bottom line, you don't need any for your truck. You will find a rubber seal
between the front fender and the body just in front of the door to protect
splash from the backside, but this is not fenderwelt.



Dave Turner
1703 Roxbury Drive
Wilson, NC 27893
252 291 1904


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From: "Garrett Nelson" writeme.com>
Subject: Re: What is Fender Welt and will I need to buy some?
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:07:52 -0500


Thanks for the info! *I learn something new everyday*

--Garrett www.1966ford.com




----- Original Message -----
From: David J. Turner
To: 61-79 FORD LIST
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 11:26 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: What is Fender Welt and will I need to buy some?


MabelFrom: Garrett Nelson writeme.com>
To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com <61-79-listford-trucks.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 8:30 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] What is Fender Welt and will I need to buy some?

Garrett, Your 66 looks good. I repainted my 66 in my own drive way! Had
everything off except the cab. Didn't take it off the chassis. ( amateur
restoration.)

Anyway about your question on fender welt. Fender welt was commonly used
during the 30's 40's and 50's to seal the fender panels to the body. Most
of it is about 1 1/2' wide rubberized cloth with a small round bead on one
side. The small bead is the only part that shows on the vehicle.

Bottom line, you don't need any for your truck. You will find a rubber seal
between the front fender and the body just in front of the door to protect
splash from the backside, but this is not fenderwelt.



Dave Turner
1703 Roxbury Drive
Wilson, NC 27893
252 291 1904

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From: EffieFrdaol.com
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:11:49 EDT
Subject: Classic T-Shirts


Hey Y'all,
A while back someone posted an address for a website with lots of car and
truck T-shirts. I lost the address before I could order one of those cool
shirts with the '65 on the front. Anybody have it or remember it? Thanks
for your help. :o)

~Mel
1965 F100
1989 Bronco
G.R.I.T.S ~ Girls Raised In The SOUTH!

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From: "G & J Boling" alltel.net>
Subject: Re: 351W vs 460
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:35:05 -0700

ford does now make a stroker kit for the 351 windsor that makes it a 392
with over 450 h.p. at 4000 rpms for i think about 1500.00 or so
gordon

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> From: Jason Derra internetcds.com>
> To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com
> Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 351W vs 460
> Date: Thursday, June 15, 2000 8:48 AM
>
> Yes there is no substitute for cubic inches. But you can stroke a
Windsor
> to the mid 400 cube range and it will be reliable and provide a lot of
power
> and low end torque. Equal or better to a stock or mildly built 460. No
you
> can't do it for less than $800 that your talking for rebuilding the 460.
> But along with the 460, there are some other modifications that will
drive
> the cost up considerably. The stroked Windsor will bolt right back into
the
> original space.
> Jason
> '69 Bronco
> '96 F250 Ext Cab 4WD Powerstroke
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" williams-net.com>
> To: <61-79-listford-trucks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 8:17 AM
> Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 351W vs 460
>
>
> > Remember the saying--"There is no substitute for cubic inches" I would
go
> > for the 460 !!! Unless you are worried about gas mileage.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: SHill48337aol.com aol.com>
> > To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com <61-79-listford-trucks.com>
> > Cc: georgeclanurx.com urx.com>
> > Date: Thursday, June 15, 2000 12:46 AM
> > Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 351W vs 460
> >
> >
> > >I would like to hear some discussion of the following subject: Making
> the
> > >choice between reringing a 351W and making a cam change verses
rebuilding
> a
> > >460. The truck is a F-150 4x4 with a 351W with a C6 and attached
> transfer
> > >case. Have a 460 that will cost around $800 to rebuild. The goal is
to
> > have
> > >a truck that can go through the woods on hunting trips and
occasionally
> > pull
> > >a large camping trailer. The current engine does fine in the woods,
but
> > only
> > >pulls the trailer up steep freeway hills at 30 MPH in low gear. If a
268
> > or
> > >270 were put in this engine would that significantly improve freeway
> hills
> > >with the trailer? Obviously this would be the cheapest fix.
> > >
> > >A little more information, the current 351W's rings are shot at 40K
due
> to
> > >carb being too rich for half of those miles. So this engine needs to
be
> > >repaired. But shifting over to the 460 means getting a C6 with
transfer
> > case
> > >that will bolt to the 460 as the 351W configuration will not.
> > >
> > >So, bottom line question, will the higher RPM cam allow this engine to
> > >perform better on the freeway? Would it be possible to get 45 or 50
in
> > >second gear, instead of 30 MPH? Or is there no substitute
displacement??
> > >Any and all ideas are welcome. I know the 460 will pull these hills
at
> > >around 60 or better. Thanks
> > >Burt Hill Kennewick, WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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From: "PitStop Performance" hotmail.com>
Subject: Engine Problems
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:56:58 CDT

OK, first the facts:

1971 Ford F100 w/1977 351M.

351M was rebuilt in stock form. I even saw the papers from the rebuild shop.
Only about 15,000 since rebuild.

The person overheated this engine pretty badly... cooked all the paint off
of the heads and melted the ends of the spark plug wire boots.

After overheating the heads and several wires were replaced. After sitting
about a year the carb was also rebuilt.

I bought this truck about six months ago and I am attempting to restore it
(needs a few front end parts and they are a pain to find, but that's another
post...)

Anyway, the truck DOES run and runs kinda OK. I think the carb is shot.
Looks like it has been *tinkered* with and accelerator pump leaks. When I
first bought it, the engine smoked just a little. It only had about 100
miles on it since the heads were replaced. I am guessing a little oil was in
the cylinders (he soaked the cylinders with oil to keep them from rusting
while the heads were off) or the rings are shot from the overheating (may
have lost their temper). But here is the part that has me wondering...

When you start the engine it runs kinda rough, but has OK power (will spin
tires if it doesn't die). But once the engine is ran up to temp and shut off
the engine will not restart. It acts as if the battery is dead. I have
checked the timing and it seems good. If I retard the timing any more it
runs awful. Also, after shutting off the key (from *run* to *off*) the
engine seems to get a sudden shot of juice from the battery and starts to
spin... IN REVERSE! This only happens when the battery seems dead (after
engine is warm).

Obvious things I have checked:

-Timing seems OK. Any more retarded and engine runs poor.
-Firing order is right.
-All battery and ground connections are tight.

Help me narrow this down before I dismantle the entire thing.

Thanks guys,

Harry


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From: "Ted and Sarah Freeman" ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: wheel wells
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:57:27 -0400

I know Eastwood makes a galvanizing solution. I think I would paint it
though with POR15 or something.

-Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: daleratlantic.net atlantic.net>
To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com <61-79-listford-trucks.com>
Date: Thursday, June 15, 2000 9:25 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] wheel wells


>hey all!
>i'm doing a frame off resto and learning as i go with the body work. I've
>slowly acquired all the body tools,compressor etc and am having the time of
my
>life while at the same time am terrified.it's very exhilerating. Anyway,
i've
>come to a sticking point and wanted to appeal to the collective group
wisdom.
>The truck is a '65 F-100 and the inside engine compartment fender/wheel
well(i
>don't know what they're called) seems to be coated or galvanized i don't
know
>what exactly. Does anyone know what the finish on them is ? They have a
little
>rust, not major though. If they are galvanized or whatever, is it common to
be
>able to find someone that does that kind of resurfacing or am i going to
just
>have to paint them. IF that is the case, what kind of prep is involved for
that
>surface so the paint sticks AND what kind of paint is best for resisting
the
>inevitable fluids that will come in contact with it. I appreciate any info.
>
>Dale Rimkunas
>daleratlantic.net
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From: "Southerland, Rich" alldata.com>
Subject: 351W or 400?
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:32:11 -0700

'77 Ford E150. Got it for free about a year ago (it had sat for 4 yrs).
Van has 130K on chassis, 50K on trans and about 35K on engine. I replaced
the timing chain recently with a steel set (yes, the rebuilt engine had a
NYLON cam gear in it, but mind you, it was rebuilt nearly 15 years ago-I
have the receipts!) and the 351 is running fine.

I rented a car trailer to pick up a N*ssan truck. With the truck and
trailer attached to the van (somewhere around 3500 pounds) it really dogged
out on the hills. We want to purchase a small travel trailer for camping.
I suspect a small (around 20') travel trailer will weigh in the ball park of
3500 pounds as well.

We really like this van and have no intentions of getting rid of it, but the
stock 351 may not be up to the task of pulling the trailer. A 460 swap is
out of the question. I know Ford had a 400 in passenger cars of that era.
Would the extra 50 cubes help? I have to deal with CA smog tests for a
couple more years, so a 4 barrel carb or headers is a no-no too.

Doesn't the 400 share the same valve covers, intake, ect as the 351W? If I
used my old valve covers (with the 351 emission sticker) could a person tell
the difference just by eyeball?

Or is the 400 just a POS?

Thanks!
Rich


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From: "Nichols, Josh" svseeds.com>
Subject: Re: 351W or 400?
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:37:12 -0700

Is the 351 in your van a 351M or a 351W? In 77 it should be a 351M. If
this is the case a 400 is identical on the outside to your 351M. The only
difference is the crank and the pistons. Everything else would be
interchangeable.

Josh

-----Original Message-----
From: Southerland, Rich [mailto:rsoutheralldata.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 3:32 PM
To: 'ford list'
Subject: [61-79-list] 351W or 400?


'77 Ford E150. Got it for free about a year ago (it had sat for 4 yrs).
Van has 130K on chassis, 50K on trans and about 35K on engine. I replaced
the timing chain recently with a steel set (yes, the rebuilt engine had a
NYLON cam gear in it, but mind you, it was rebuilt nearly 15 years ago-I
have the receipts!) and the 351 is running fine.

I rented a car trailer to pick up a N*ssan truck. With the truck and
trailer attached to the van (somewhere around 3500 pounds) it really dogged
out on the hills. We want to purchase a small travel trailer for camping.
I suspect a small (around 20') travel trailer will weigh in the ball park of
3500 pounds as well.

We really like this van and have no intentions of getting rid of it, but the
stock 351 may not be up to the task of pulling the trailer. A 460 swap is
out of the question. I know Ford had a 400 in passenger cars of that era.
Would the extra 50 cubes help? I have to deal with CA smog tests for a
couple more years, so a 4 barrel carb or headers is a no-no too.

Doesn't the 400 share the same valve covers, intake, ect as the 351W? If I
used my old valve covers (with the 351 emission sticker) could a person tell
the difference just by eyeball?

Or is the 400 just a POS?

Thanks!
Rich

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From: "Bill Beyer" pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: 351W or 400?
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:51:36 -0700

In a word...No...the 400 doesn't share any major parts with a 351W. Nor is
a a POS but it's not a good swap candidate if you have a 351W in the van.
Now a 351M would be perfect because it is identical to a 400 in all respects
and it's impossible to tell them apart from the outside. Your only hope is
to find some legal ways to hop up the W and still get it to pass the
sniffer...

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

----- Original Message -----
From: Southerland, Rich alldata.com>
To: 'ford list' <61-79-listford-trucks.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 3:32 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] 351W or 400?


> '77 Ford E150. Got it for free about a year ago (it had sat for 4 yrs).
> Van has 130K on chassis, 50K on trans and about 35K on engine. I replaced
> the timing chain recently with a steel set (yes, the rebuilt engine had a
> NYLON cam gear in it, but mind you, it was rebuilt nearly 15 years ago-I
> have the receipts!) and the 351 is running fine.
>
> I rented a car trailer to pick up a N*ssan truck. With the truck and
> trailer attached to the van (somewhere around 3500 pounds) it really
dogged
> out on the hills. We want to purchase a small travel trailer for camping.
> I suspect a small (around 20') travel trailer will weigh in the ball park
of
> 3500 pounds as well.
>
> We really like this van and have no intentions of getting rid of it, but
the
> stock 351 may not be up to the task of pulling the trailer. A 460 swap is
> out of the question. I know Ford had a 400 in passenger cars of that era.
> Would the extra 50 cubes help? I have to deal with CA smog tests for a
> couple more years, so a 4 barrel carb or headers is a no-no too.
>
> Doesn't the 400 share the same valve covers, intake, ect as the 351W? If
I
> used my old valve covers (with the 351 emission sticker) could a person
tell
> the difference just by eyeball?
>




------------------------------

From: "Southerland, Rich" alldata.com>
Subject: Re: 351W or 400?
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:49:34 -0700

Bummer. I know it's a W. The trucks are the ones that got the 351M if I
recall correctly. A friend has a Bronco (a '79 I think) with a 400 and
that's what got me to thinking. That said, any suggestions on what to do
with what I got?

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Beyer [mailto:bbeyerpacifier.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 3:52 PM
To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 351W or 400?


In a word...No...the 400 doesn't share any major parts with a 351W. Nor is
a a POS but it's not a good swap candidate if you have a 351W in the van.
Now a 351M would be perfect because it is identical to a 400 in all respects
and it's impossible to tell them apart from the outside. Your only hope is
to find some legal ways to hop up the W and still get it to pass the
sniffer...

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

----- Original Message -----
From: Southerland, Rich alldata.com>
To: 'ford list' <61-79-listford-trucks.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 3:32 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] 351W or 400?


> '77 Ford E150. Got it for free about a year ago (it had sat for 4 yrs).
> Van has 130K on chassis, 50K on trans and about 35K on engine. I replaced
> the timing chain recently with a steel set (yes, the rebuilt engine had a
> NYLON cam gear in it, but mind you, it was rebuilt nearly 15 years ago-I
> have the receipts!) and the 351 is running fine.
>
> I rented a car trailer to pick up a N*ssan truck. With the truck and
> trailer attached to the van (somewhere around 3500 pounds) it really
dogged
> out on the hills. We want to purchase a small travel trailer for camping.
> I suspect a small (around 20') travel trailer will weigh in the ball park
of
> 3500 pounds as well.
>
> We really like this van and have no intentions of getting rid of it, but
the
> stock 351 may not be up to the task of pulling the trailer. A 460 swap is
> out of the question. I know Ford had a 400 in passenger cars of that era.
> Would the extra 50 cubes help? I have to deal with CA smog tests for a
> couple more years, so a 4 barrel carb or headers is a no-no too.
>
> Doesn't the 400 share the same valve covers, intake, ect as the 351W? If
I
> used my old valve covers (with the 351 emission sticker) could a person
tell
> the difference just by eyeball?
>



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