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Received: with LISTAR (v0.128a; list 61-79-list); Fri, 09 Jun 2000 08:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 08:50:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Ford Truck Enthusiasts List Server To: 61-79-list digest users Reply-to: 61-79-list  ford-trucks.com Subject: 61-79-list Digest V2000 #121 Precedence: bulk ========================================================== Ford Truck Enthusiasts 1961-1979 Truck Mailing List Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ 61-79-list Digest Thu, 08 Jun 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 121 In This Issue: big block FMX ? Re: 390 into '77 Re: Unibody Tailgate/how'd you get yours so For Sale:'79 F-150 S/C 4x4 & 460 kit Re: Unibody Tailgate/how'd you get yours so Re: Toploader Re: FMX Transmission Re: Part suppliers for 61-66 F100's Re: 400 EDSEL Re: 400 EDSEL 1970 F250 Camper Special--what to do with it? Re: 1970 F250 Camper Special--what to do with it? Re: Part suppliers for 61-66 F100's Re: Part suppliers for 61-66 F100's New Member Re: FMX Transmission Re: Part suppliers for 61-66 F100's Re: Unibody Tailgate/how'd you get yours so fast?? how do u figure out what type engine u got? Rancheros Re: FMX Transmission Re: Part suppliers for 61-66 F100's Toploader Bellhousing Compatability Question Re: Rancheros Re: New Member Just wanted to say hi, and.... 390 cam/intake selection/FMX FE swap. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Serian" Subject: big block FMX ? Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:13:29 -0400 > I think there was even some debate whether the FMX really > ever had anything other than a small block bellhousing on it ... no debate here ... got a 76 LTD in my yard that has a 351M/FMX combination in it :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 08:33:08 -0500 From: "Don Yerhot" Subject: Re: 390 into '77 Subject: 390 into '77 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:04:35 -0500 Dave fm Ill. writes: >>Can anyone help me? I'm trying to install a 390 in my '77 F100, and I'm having trouble with the motor and trans mounts.The trans is a C-6 out of a 72 F250.I was just wondering if anyone makes a conversion mount, or what I have to do to make this conversion work. When I went to put the motor in, the motor mount towers had to be moved forward, and the oil pan is resting on the cross member. I'm at wits end, and nobody seems to be able to help me. If anyone knows what to do, I'd really appreciate the help. .<< It sounds like your 77 originally had a 302 in it. They set the engine back about 1 inch and about an inch lower than the FE stanchions. But the width between the mounts is the same. When I bought my 65 it had a 351C in it and the previous owner had left the original 352 stanchions in, the fan was less than an inch from hitting the upper radiator hose! Like a previous writer said, the 360 mounts will bolt right up. The bolts are a PITA to get to though., and about an inch to long..found myself cursing those *&%# engineers. Find yourself a helper and you'll save a ton of time. Don 65 F250 351W mild 74 F100 351W wild ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 09:51:05 -0400 From: Ted Wnorowski Subject: Re: Unibody Tailgate/how'd you get yours so At 11:44 AM 6/7/00 -0500, you wrote: >How is it that you got your "This Old Truck" rag on Monday and I have not >rec'd mine >yet? 8^( Bummer! > >Stu >Nuke GM! >http://www.ford-trucks.com/~nukegm (for sale!!!) The only thing I can think of is that it's mailed from Yellow Springs, OH. It's just a couple of hours south of here. Ted Wnorowski Flat Rock, OH ' 64 F-250 352 transplant 4 speed ' 63 F-100 parts truck ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:04:51 -0400 From: frenz.6 osu.edu (Dale Frenz) Subject: For Sale:'79 F-150 S/C 4x4 & 460 kit For Sale: 1979 F-150 XLT Supercab 4x4 Approx: 109,000 Miles Body is above average condition. Not "spotless" by any means, but good. Bed floor is the usual. (Had been treated with "Z-bart" undercoating at some point) 351M V-8 New main bearing installed, new oil pump, new fuel pump. Runs strong. C-6 Automatic Front and Rear leaf springs 31" tires, 70% tread New brake pads, shoes, front calipers, and rear wheel cylinders (Misc. extra parts to go too. Sliding rear window, tail lights, etc.) 460 conversion "KIT" for your installation project Includes: - NOS Ford 460 bare block - '77 460 (complete) - rear sump oil pan, pick-up, support bolt - 460 "van" alternator bracket - 460 "truck" exhaust manifolds - L&L 460 motor mounts Price: $2500.00 Interested parties should email me privately. Dale Frenz Columbus OH ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 10:18:49 -0500 From: Stu Varner Subject: Re: Unibody Tailgate/how'd you get yours so >>How is it that you got your "This Old Truck" rag on Monday and I have not >>rec'd mine >>yet? 8^( Bummer! >> >>Stu >>Nuke GM! >>http://www.ford-trucks.com/~nukegm (for sale!!!) > > The only thing I can think of is that it's mailed from Yellow >Springs, OH. It's just a couple of hours south of here. Ted, That is what I figured - I was just complaining..........I love Tennessee too much to move back to Southeast Ohio. I REALLY don't miss the salt and cold, long winters at all! Maybe it will come this morning - let's hope. I really enjoy that rag a bunch. Stu Nuke GM! http://www.ford-trucks.com/~nukegm (for sale!!!) ------------------------------ From: "wish" Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:18:20 GMT Subject: Re: Toploader >>> No!!! These transmissions are just transmissions - independent of the >>> bellhousing... >> >> >> SO they use the same bellhousing between the cars and the trucks? Is that >> what >> you're tellin me ? I'll believe it, just want to be sure I understand. > >Duhhh!!!! Wish, the bell housing is bolted between the engine and the >transmission, separate from each when manufactured. Well now that everyone has completely misunderstood me, my problem was I didn't understand that the bellhousing didn't come with the tranny. I know they aren't one piece (its not on my car either), just that when he said "complete" I mistook that to mean the bellhousing had been there too. Then the next question was, do the truck and the car use the same bellhousing, as in do the clutch forks operate through the same holes, or are angles different so they used a different bellhousing for the trucks and the cars ... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ From: "wish" Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:26:25 GMT Subject: Re: FMX Transmission >the C4 & C6 were totaly different animals BUT the FMX could be manually >shifted like the C6 was if you stuck it in 1st it stayed there till you put >it into a different gear Uhm, don't all trannies do this? its 2nd that the difference comes in, if you put it in 2 it stays there. Dad didn't believe me that the FMX or the C6 did that, since we had one of both I showed him :) >YES the FMX was made well into the 80s even and had an O.D version also if i >get time after while i will get you the EXACT dates it began and ended Actually I'm more interested inthe OD version ... any specs on it ? Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:34:52 -0700 From: Don Grossman Subject: Re: Part suppliers for 61-66 F100's >I just bought a 63 F100 4x4 (bone stock) and am interested in finding parts >(both new and used). Can you all recommend some sources? The only >source I've >found so far is Mac's and a few local bone yards around my home in Ann Arbor >Michigan. Since the box on this thing is carryover from the 58-60, I guess I >could us a parts source for those years too (if somebody really did specialize >in 58-60's I think they'd probably starve to death)! >Thanks, >Dan Hi Dan I just got my catalog from LMC a couple of days ago. They have just about everything for our old trucks. Not much is stock on mine anymore but still need lots of stuff. www.lmctruck.com Bone yard parts are getting hard to find, what is with that are all the trucks still on the road? ;) Good luck -- Don Grossman duckdon mac.com 43 GPW 63 F-100 4x4 77 F250 99 Contour ------------------------------ From: "Lyndell Smith" Subject: Re: 400 EDSEL Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:26:30 -0400 -----Original Message----- From: u00008 ford-trucks.net [mailto:u00008 ford-trucks.net]On Behalf Of wish Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 9:31 AM To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 400 ENGINE can anyone tell me if ford ever made a 400 engine back around 1973, or a special edition engine called a 400 edsel or with a similar name and if a c6 automatic tranny will bolt up to a 360 thank in advance Smitty http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/scb3552/ ------------------------------ From: "wish" Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:12:41 GMT Subject: Re: 400 EDSEL >>can anyone tell me if ford ever made a 400 engine back around 1973, Seems like DaveR has mentioned a 400 with a small block bellhousing pattern on it from around that year, can't remember if that's a high compression version too or not... DaveR ? or a >special edition engine called a 400 edsel or with a similar name Edsel had a 410 or so in it if I remember right, just goin off of memory, it might've been 400 or so CU, but it won't be related to any 400's from 73 other than a blue oval and an FL1-A oil filter... >and if a c6 >automatic tranny will bolt up to a 360 If you get one with an FE bellhousing on it, it will bolt up, I've got one in my truck and it had a 360, now has a 390, so I can say for sure it will bolt up to an FE ... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ From: dvcinc swbell.net Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 14:31:27 -0500 Subject: 1970 F250 Camper Special--what to do with it? I have a 1970 F250 Campr Special. The truck belonged to my Dad who bought it new or next to new 30 years ago. He passed away a couple years ago and I now have the truck.It has only about 71,000 miles on it. My Dad used it to go fishing in Arkansas after he retired so he did not drive it much. It runs fine although it probably does not run as well on unleaded gas as it did in years past with leaded fuel. It needs tires and some rear brake work if I am to bring it home to Kansas City. I had some brake work done and put a new muffler on it and tuned it up. It is a good looking truck, two-toned, an aqua sort of green and ivory. I do not know what this truck is worth. I could sell it at a local auction. I could also bring it to KC, put new tires on it and either keep it or sell it to someone who might like to restore it. Anyone know if there is any kind of demand for a truck like this for restoration purposes? Thanks. Bob ------------------------------ From: JUMPINFORD aol.com Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:39:55 EDT Subject: Re: 1970 F250 Camper Special--what to do with it? Sounds like you have a real nice truck there. I'd hold onto it, especially since its a truck you know the history on. Besides, its dads truck. Before you decide to sell it, think about what would go through your head if you saw Dads truck, with someone else behind the wheel, thoroughly abusing it as a work truck. Thats a worst case scenario, but it might make ya hold on to that Gem you have. Darrell & Tweety ------------------------------ From: "G & J Boling" Subject: Re: Part suppliers for 61-66 F100's Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:05:04 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Grossman To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 12:34 PM Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Part suppliers for 61-66 F100's > >I just bought a 63 F100 4x4 (bone stock) and am interested in finding parts > >(both new and used). Can you all recommend some sources? > >Dan ========================================================= MILL SUPPLY in CLEVELAND OHIO stocks parts for just about any car or truck they are on the web but i dont have their address handy at the moment gordon ------------------------------ From: Natp244 cs.com Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:51:49 EDT Subject: Re: Part suppliers for 61-66 F100's here are some websites I have bookmarked for such things: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.auto krafters.  com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.classicford.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.concoursparts.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dennis-carpenter.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.cgfordparts.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.osborn-reproduction.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.f100.com - John's F-fun hundreds http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/kamaparts/parts.htm - Lots of NOS parts http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mcdonaldparts.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.vintage-ford.com And this is a list of misc. parts suppliers: http://www.ford-trucks.com/misc/suppliers.txt -REALLY GOOD list for finding suppliers And a few more: Bob Kennedy Truck Parts (724) 625-2467 Bob Cook's Classic Auto Parts (270) 753-4000 Green Sales (800) 543-4959 (must have part #) or research line to get part # : (513)731-3304 Carolina Classics (919) 682-4211 Obsolete Ford (405) 631-3933 And I think someone already mentioned LMC (800) 222-5664 That should keep you busy for a while! Most of these folks carry many of the same things. I haven't used that many of them, but from what I've seen their prices tend to vary somewhat, so a little bargain shopping is possible. Som of the NOS parts dealers have amazing inventories and prices on some things are not much more than repro.- and many can't be found in repro. Nate 64 ------------------------------ From: "Toby Till" Subject: New Member Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:36:24 -0400 Hello all, I have just joined your list and wanted to say Hi. I have been into early model Bronco's for a while now and wanted a classic ride to tow it with so after about a three year search I bit the bullet and picked up a 75' F250 highboy crew cab. I am so excited about this truck. I hope I can help out the list with stuff I know and I know you all have lots of info I need too. If you want to check out my web site it is here: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://webpages.charter.net/tt4wd/tillbuilt/tillbuilt.html You will find pictures of the Crew under the tow vehicle link. Thanks, Toby Till ------------------------------ From: "G & J Boling" Subject: Re: FMX Transmission Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:34:52 -0400 > Actually I'm more interested inthe OD version ... any specs on it ? > > Just my $.02 > wish ========================================================== OKAY i just got in from work and have found my motors repair manual it only goes from 68 to 73 so whatever i dont find in this one may take awhile for me to hunt up where my other one is these are listed as cruisomatics and mercomatics 2nd generation and call for type -F- fluid ONLY these came in ALL types of FORD & MERCURY cars the smallest engine size i can find is for a 240 cu.in. the largest is a 1969 with a 390 4bbl carb and both windsor and cleveland engines had them to they also came in both column and floor shift versions as well to ASAP i will find my newer book and send the rest of the specs i have for the FMX [cruisomatics] gordon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:35:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Scott Hall Subject: Re: Part suppliers for 61-66 F100's On Thu, 8 Jun 2000 daniel.r.mandernack gm.com wrote: > I just bought a 63 F100 4x4 (bone stock) and am interested in finding parts > in 58-60's I think they'd probably starve to death)! > Thanks, > Dan __gm__.com... surely not... right? scott...flamethrower at the ready... ;-) ------------------------------ From: "G & J Boling" Subject: Re: Unibody Tailgate/how'd you get yours so fast?? Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:38:12 -0400 I was just complaining..........I love Tennessee > too much to move back to > Southeast Ohio. > Stu > Nuke GM! ========================================================== WHERE in TENN. are you? are you close to the GATLINBURG -PIDGION FORGE area gordon ------------------------------ From: Rizard209 aol.com Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:40:56 EDT Subject: how do u figure out what type engine u got? I got a 1970 ford but the engine in it is not original... i think its off of a 1980 ecoline. its a straight 6 and i was wondering where on it do i look 2 find out what kind of engine it is? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 19:01:57 -0500 From: Al Evitts Subject: Rancheros Does anyone know if there is a list devoted to Rancheros? I know they have a national club. I am looking at a 65 and would like to share other's experience. TIA Al ------------------------------ From: "G & J Boling" Subject: Re: FMX Transmission Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:45:16 -0400 > ASAP i will find my newer book and send the rest of the specs i have for the > FMX [cruisomatics] > gordon ========================================================== well here it is up untill AT LEAST 1984 ALLOT of the full size ford products STILL USED the FMX tranny in a OVERDRIVE VERSION wether they still used the same 2 piece tranny set up i am not sure of and if they did i cant find out if the bolt pattern to the bellhousing was the same as the direct drive trannys try checking on the net with some ford dealers or tranny supply companies gordon ------------------------------ From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" Subject: Re: Part suppliers for 61-66 F100's Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 00:01:30 -0400 Check out Dennis Carpenter or LMC. -----Original Message----- From: daniel.r.mandernack gm.com To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-listford-trucks.com>Date: Thursday, June 08, 2000 8:25 AM Subject: [61-79-list] Part suppliers for 61-66 F100's >I just bought a 63 F100 4x4 (bone stock) and am interested in finding parts >(both new and used). Can you all recommend some sources? The only source I've >found so far is Mac's and a few local bone yards around my home in Ann Arbor >Michigan. Since the box on this thing is carryover from the 58-60, I guess I >could us a parts source for those years too (if somebody really did specialize >in 58-60's I think they'd probably starve to death)! >Thanks, >Dan > > >========================================================== >To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with>the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the >message. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 23:59:10 -0400 From: Tony Marino Subject: Toploader Bellhousing Compatability Question Quick questions for you guys: I'm going to be putting a 4 speed with overdrive mexican toploader transmission out of a '78 F-100 into my '67 f-100.. The truck right now has the 3speed on the column tranny- Are the bellhousings for these transmissions the same, or do I need to find one for the 4 speed with overdrive? This will go behind a 300, so it's a smallblock pattern if that makes any difference. Thanks- Tony Marino redneck raex.com------------------------------ From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" Subject: Re: Rancheros Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 00:09:20 -0400 Check out the falcon club of america.they do have a web site. -----Original Message----- From: Al Evitts To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-listford-trucks.com>Date: Thursday, June 08, 2000 8:06 PM Subject: [61-79-list] Rancheros >Does anyone know if there is a list devoted to Rancheros? I know they >have a national club. I am looking at a 65 and would like to share >other's experience. > >TIA > >Al >========================================================== >To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with>the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the >message. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:23:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "D. DiMartino" Subject: Re: New Member toby: welcome to FTE! checked out your site and was impressed. you do nice work. sorry to see what happened to your pal, it's a lesson for us all. anyway, those photos of all that hardcore 4X4 action just made me jealous, some people have all the toys... ===== Daniel DiMartino 1968 F-250 soon to be a 4x4 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Garrett Nelson" Subject: Just wanted to say hi, and.... Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 23:37:08 -0500 ...you should all check out my website. www.1966ford.com I've been on the list for a week or so now and I have already learned a lot. Thanks everyone! ---Garrett ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 22:17:07 -0700 From: scott Subject: 390 cam/intake selection/FMX >>>>>Edelbrock Performer 390. I have one on my 390, works great. I got mine from Summit Racing. I currently have a Performer 390 on my 428 and I am also pleased with it. >>>>I have a fairly mild Melling cam but have been thinking of getting a hotter one. Me too.I have the Melling RV cam and plan on changing it to a 428 CJ cam. I had a 390 w/CJ cam that ran very well. >>>>>>I think there was even some debate whether the FMX really ever had anything other than a small block bellhousing on it ... I bought a wrecked 67 'bird that had a 390 with a FMX behind it. Sold the FMX to a transmission shop who verified it was a FMX. I think you may be better off with something in the 600-650 range. I only have a 625 AFB on my 428 and it works fine. I tried a 735 Holley instead of the 600 Holley on my old 390 and did not notice any improvment Overall I prefer my Carter AFB to the Holleys I used to run,but for WFO the Holley seems to have a slight edge. If you alreay have the 750 Holley, give it a go and see what you think With some tuning it should work. I think there was even some debate whether the FMX really ever had anything other than a small block bellhousing on it ... ------------------------------ From: "wish" Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:50:12 GMT Subject: FE swap. Okay guys, I need your help here. The guy I'm workin with to get some holes for my new steering system in my frame has an old 390 that has over 300K miles on it. He's also got an industrial 390 sitting in his shop. He'd really love to use the industrial one in his 73 F350, what does he need to change to get this to work ??? And can he swap his Duraspark system over to the industrial one ? I just want to be sure we get everything together so he can do it quick and not steal my motor while he's workin on my truck! Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ End of 61-79-list Digest V2000 #121 *********************************** ---------------------------------------------------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts 1961-1979 Truck Mailing List Send posts to 61-79-list ford-trucks.comIf you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, send an email to: listar ford-trucks.comwith the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the message. Visit Our Web Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com ---------------------------------------------------------- .... 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