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Received: with LISTAR (v0.128a; list 61-79-list); Thu, 08 Jun 2000 07:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 07:23:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Ford Truck Enthusiasts List Server To: 61-79-list digest users Reply-to: 61-79-list  ford-trucks.com Subject: 61-79-list Digest V2000 #120 Precedence: bulk ========================================================== Ford Truck Enthusiasts 1961-1979 Truck Mailing List Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ 61-79-list Digest Wed, 07 Jun 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 120 In This Issue: Re: 3 plug duraspark module 390 cam/intake selection 302 Roller Rockers on a 300 Re: Roller Rockers Re: Toploader Re: FMX Transmission Unibody Tailgate Re: 390 cam/intake selection Re: Unibody Tailgate Re: 390 cam/intake selection Re: 390 cam/intake selection Re: Unibody Tailgate/how'd you get yours so Re: Toploader Re: Tulsa Trux adjustable timing 390 into '77 Stalling Re: FMX Transmission Re: 390 cam/intake selection Stalling problem Re: 390 into '77 Part suppliers for 61-66 F100's ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Serian" Subject: Re: 3 plug duraspark module Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 08:52:34 -0400 > I just picked up the 3 plug duraspark box off an 81 van. > > Anyone know which one does not get used. Actually, all of them get used if you have the right setup for it ... There is a 4 prong one, a 3 prong one, and a 2 prong one The 4 prong and 2 prong ones go to the standard duraspark setup like any other duraspark module; the 3 prong one is for some kind of sensor ... I don't know what the sensor does; I have seen one ... even have one on a 3 plug module. It makes no difference whether it is plugged in or not, so maybe its so that the module can tell the sensor that the sensor is there or something equally bizarre. ------------------------------ From: SMOKEY5209 aol.com Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 09:25:43 EDT Subject: 390 cam/intake selection I am looking for some suggestions on a cam and an intake for my 390 that I am building. This is my first FE rebuild and I read article after article until I am in the state of total confusion. I am on a tight budget for this truck and don't want to buy parts by trial and error. I am having the block bored .030 over and planning on running a 750 Holley, with headers. HELP!!! Ed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 06:29:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Neal De Pape Subject: 302 Roller Rockers on a 300 "Will roller rockers off of a 302 HO fit on a 300? I was jsut curious, because if they can, then WOOHOO, I'm gonna have roller rockers :-)" I'm not sure about the factory HO rockers, but Crane's roller rockers for a 302 will fit with the 300 6 valvetrain. But, wait before you get too excited, they don't fit under the valve cover. I've been meaning to have someone cut two valve covers apart and splice them together for me making me a "factory" tall valve cover but I haven't yet. Let me know how the HO rockers effect performance. If it really revs up that 300, it might inspire me to get mine done. Neal 68 Mercury M-100 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "wish" Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:24:17 GMT Subject: Re: Roller Rockers >I bought myself a 300 this weekend for 60 bucks :-). Guy also gave me some >sort of Ford HSC 4-cylinder That HSC is a High Swirl Combustion 2.3L 4cyl from a Tempo/Topaz. WE had a throttle body injected version in our AWD Tempo, the whopping 97hp might almost move the hair on your head if you step on it ... > Check out my webpage at >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.flash.net/~bruce9 > Nice page :) Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ From: "wish" Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:25:58 GMT Subject: Re: Toploader >>Uhm, Stu ... I'm confused, but if its from a 390 GT Fairlane, then won't it >have an FE bellhousing on it ??? Or did the trucks use a different housing >than the cars even when they were FE's ?<< > >No!!! These transmissions are just transmissions - independent of the bellhousing... SO they use the same bellhousing between the cars and the trucks? Is that what you're tellin me ? I'll believe it, just want to be sure I understand. > Maybe before your time??? Hey, I was alive when they were still using FE's .. okay so it was only in trucks, but I was still around before the motor went totally out of production ;) Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ From: "wish" Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:31:02 GMT Subject: Re: FMX Transmission >> Hi guys, has anyone heard of an FMX transmission? >============================================================ >YEP it is also called the most produced tranny ever made it wad made from >the 60s well into the 80s and even had a overdrive version of it Are you sure you're not thinking of the C4 there Gordon? I thought they quit the FMX in the 70's sometime, and I didn't think it got the FMX designation until sometime in the mid to late 60's, if its really an FMX that we're talking about. We've got a couple behind our Cougar's 351's and the Torino's 302. >-------------------------------------------------------- > Will it work well with the 390? I would appreciate >> any info on it. >Thanks, Donnie > 1966 F-100 >> ==========================================================beleive it or >not i have seen this FMX tranny behind even 428s and has held up well i know >of one a young fella had that i dont think ever took off without the tires >smoking WHY it doesnt get the attention the c6 does is beyond me they just >never seem to wear out just last fall i stuck one behind my 390 in a 62 t >bird SO FAR it has held up well as expected even now ALLOT of the wrecking >yards still have them because they were yanked out of cars years ago but >just never seemed to sell because they just kept on running >stick it behind your 390 i am sure it will take just about anything you can >give it really Everyone I've talked to has been leary of the FMX for reliability purposes. Ours have held up fairly well, though the Cougar's is starting to leak and burn the fluid (probably something to do with a hopped up 351 and forgetting to check the fluid regularly) but it will still get a second gear scratch when left in drive. I've heard of a couple of C4's behind 428's for drag racing purposes, but never an FMX, I think there was even some debate whether the FMX really ever had anything other than a small block bellhousing on it ... anyone have the archives on this discussion ? Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ From: "wish" Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:32:41 GMT Subject: Unibody Tailgate >how do i get a pic of tail gate and were can i send a check to get it picked >up >i have a 62 that is in need of one > > If it were me I'd call and talk to the guy first he may have some pics for you and such. If not, or he's not willing to ship it or something silly, give me a buzz and I'll see what we can work out. >>> This was in "This Old Truck" that came this morning: Tailgate For Ford >> >>>61/63 unibody pickup. Very good condition, $200. Tom Stokopf, 2449 >Fairview >> >>>Ave., Waverly, IA 50677. ph, 319-352-1010, after 8:00 p.m. >> >>Hey I can probably find that ! heh, that's funny, as few of those are left >>around here I'm surprised if it doesn't have any rust on it. >> >>If any of you listers make the trip to look at it, or want some pics, my >girlfriend's >>parents live just east of there and I could probably run up and take some >pics >>of the gate for ya (digi even if you ask nice) >> >>Just my $.02 >>wish >> >>96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L >>73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L >>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish >> >>Ford Truck Enthusiasts >>http://www.ford-trucks.com >>========================================================== >>To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with >>the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the >>message. > >========================================================== >To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with >the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the >message. > > Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ From: "wish" Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:36:30 GMT Subject: Re: 390 cam/intake selection >I am looking for some suggestions on a cam and an intake for my 390 that I am >building. This is my first FE rebuild and I read article after article until >I am in the state of total confusion. I am on a tight budget for this truck >and don't want to buy parts by trial and error. I am having the block bored >.030 over and planning on running a 750 Holley, with headers. >HELP!!! The first step is to take several deep breaths. The whole cam thing can be very confusing. First you will need to know your gear ratio's. Be honest on the following stuffs : How do you drive the truck ? Full race? street only? want a lopey idle ? what do you want it to do ? How many rpm's are you going to live with ? I built mine for 5000+, though I rarely see it, CJ built his for 4000 as that's the most he ever pulls (he drives like an old man I tell ya ;) Things like that will all go into cam choice ... once you get that stuff figured out (honestly, otherwise you won't be happy with it), then go to your machinist and talk to them, they can probably make a good cam reccommendation based off of what you tell them. Once you get an idea what RPM's you're gonna be running you can also get an idea what cam to use by browsing Jeg's and such. I ended up with a way bigger cam than I thought I would need and am very happy with it thanks to my machinist's reccommendation. Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 10:35:58 -0400 From: Ted Wnorowski Subject: Re: Unibody Tailgate There wasn't any picture of the tailgate. It was in the classified section of the magazine. Here's that URL Azie: Also this URL has a bunch of different vehicles he's getting rid of. NO PARTS, just whole vehicles. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://web.frontier.net/heartland/index.html#61 At 12:45 AM 6/7/00 -0500, you wrote: >how do i get a pic of tail gate and were can i send a check to get it picked >up >i have a 62 that is in need of one > >Dave > >-----Original Message----- >From: wish >To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com> >Date: Monday, June 05, 2000 1:26 PM >Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Unibody Tailgate > > > >> This was in "This Old Truck" that came this morning: Tailgate For Ford > > > >>61/63 unibody pickup. Very good condition, $200. Tom Stokopf, 2449 >Fairview > > > >>Ave., Waverly, IA 50677. ph, 319-352-1010, after 8:00 p.m. > > > >Hey I can probably find that ! heh, that's funny, as few of those are left > >around here I'm surprised if it doesn't have any rust on it. > > > >If any of you listers make the trip to look at it, or want some pics, my >girlfriend's > >parents live just east of there and I could probably run up and take some >pics > >of the gate for ya (digi even if you ask nice) > > > >Just my $.02 > >wish > > > >96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L > >73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L > >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish > > > > Ted Wnorowski Flat Rock, OH ' 64 F-250 352 transplant 4 speed ' 63 F-100 parts truck ------------------------------ From: "Michael White" Subject: Re: 390 cam/intake selection Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 09:25:41 -0600 I've got a cast iron 4 bbl on both my 69 F250's, and Comp Cam #280 hydraulic that works quite well. This cam resembles the 69 428 CJ hydraulic cam specs if memory serves correctly. The Hooker Comp headers "HOO 6903" also works well for the 390. I believe 750 CFM to be to large of a carb for a 390, and would suggest a 600-650 CFM. Both of my 390's have 600 CFM Holley 4bbl carbs, and they work great. I would be happy to sell you a 600 CFM Holley with a rebuild kit for $50, or a 650 CFM double pumper, dual feed, center hung float if you're interested. Michael Salt Lake City, Utah ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > I am looking for some suggestions on a cam and an intake for my 390 that I am > building. This is my first FE rebuild and I read article after article until > I am in the state of total confusion. I am on a tight budget for this truck > and don't want to buy parts by trial and error. I am having the block bored > .030 over and planning on running a 750 Holley, with headers. > HELP!!! > Ed ------------------------------ From: "Michael White" Subject: Re: 390 cam/intake selection Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:40:57 -0600 Ooops,... it's not a 280 hydraulic, it's a 260. How silly of me to trust my memory when posting. Comp cams part #33-222-3 Ford 390-428 Grind Number FB 260H-10 High Energy Gross Valve Lift = .484 Intake, .484 Exhaust Duration .006 Tappet Lift = 260 intake, 260 exhaust Valve timing .006 intake = open 24 BTDC, close 56 ABDC Valve timing .006 exhaust = open 64 BBDC, close 16 ATDC Duration .050 = intake 212, exhaust 212 Lobe Lift = intake .2795, exhaust .2795 Lobe Separation = 110 These specifications are for the cam installed at 110 degrees intake center line. Michael Salt Lake City, Utah ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > I've got a cast iron 4 bbl on both my 69 F250's, and Comp Cam #280 hydraulic > that works quite well. This cam resembles the 69 428 CJ hydraulic cam specs > if memory serves correctly ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 11:44:44 -0500 From: Stu Varner Subject: Re: Unibody Tailgate/how'd you get yours so >> >> This was in "This Old Truck" that came this morning: Tailgate For Ford >> > >> >>61/63 unibody pickup. Very good condition, $200. Tom Stokopf, 2449 >>Fairview >> > >> >>Ave., Waverly, IA 50677. ph, 319-352-1010, after 8:00 p.m. >> > How is it that you got your "This Old Truck" rag on Monday and I have not rec'd mine yet? 8^( Bummer! Stu Nuke GM! http://www.ford-trucks.com/~nukegm (for sale!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 12:18:49 -0500 Subject: Re: Toploader From: John LaGrone on 6/7/2000 8:25 AM, wish at wish ford-trucks.net wrote: >> No!!! These transmissions are just transmissions - independent of the >> bellhousing... > > > SO they use the same bellhousing between the cars and the trucks? Is that > what > you're tellin me ? I'll believe it, just want to be sure I understand. Duhhh!!!! Wish, the bell housing is bolted between the engine and the transmission, separate from each when manufactured. You could take a transmission from behind a 302 and put it behind a 390 (as an example only) because the bell housing acted as an adapter. The engine flanges were different, but the engine doesn't bolt directly to the transmission, so it doesn't matter. Bell housings generally were not integrated onto the transmission until automatics started using aluminum cases. -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-) 1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ From: prozell oaielectronics.com (OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell) Subject: Re: Tulsa Trux Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:22:51 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave Prasse" > I used to get parts from these guys at Tulsa Trux. > They specialized in '61-66 Ford trucks. > Their phone number no longer works ... > any clues on what happened ? > did they move , go out of business , merge , change name ? > Dave, I have tried the number as well and it didn't work I found the number in an old phone book but the newer ones don't list it. I haven't been able to find out what happened to them. Paul Rozell 65 F100 460 C6 96 F150 SC 5.0 ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with> the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the > message. > > ------------------------------ From: "Azie L. Magnusson" Subject: adjustable timing Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:51:42 -0500 Ox writes: >> I just picked up the 3 plug duraspark box off an 81 van. From what I remember, you need a 10K pot to make the timing adjustable. Only problem is the 3rd plug has 3 wires, black (with white stripe), yellow and brown. Anyone know which one does not get used. << If anyone knows exactly how to do this, how about a "Tech article" for the Tech section of this fabulous bunch of FORD truck nuts!!! Azie Magnusson Ardmore, Al. ------------------------------ From: "Azie L. Magnusson" Subject: 390 into '77 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:04:35 -0500 Dave fm Ill. writes: >>Can anyone help me? I'm trying to install a 390 in my '77 F100, and I'm having trouble with the motor and trans mounts.The trans is a C-6 out of a 72 F250.I was just wondering if anyone makes a conversion mount, or what I have to do to make this conversion work. When I went to put the motor in, the motor mount towers had to be moved forward, and the oil pan is resting on the cross member. I'm at wits end, and nobody seems to be able to help me. If anyone knows what to do, I'd really appreciate the help. .<< The '77 was not offered from the factory with FE, so I'd bet you might have to have stanchions from a '76 or earlier!!! Just a hinch. Azie Magnusson Ardmore, Al. ------------------------------ From: "Chuck White" Subject: Stalling Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:09:06 -0700 Thanks for all the ideas people! By the way I replaced the alternator, fuel pump, fuel filters, points cap, rotor and condenser about a 1000 miles ago. I'm gonna try Jason's idea first about the condenser and I'll just replace the coil wires and coil because it is the easiest and cheapest. If that doesn't work I think I'll go for the clogged fuel pickup tube/filter/carb. I have a question though - immediately after it dies I can look down the carb throat and pump the throttle and I get a good squirt of gas. Would I get that if the filters were clogged or the needle was sticking or the pump was bad? I"m going to the parts store today to get a condenser and after that a coil/wires. I'm in digest mode so I'm a little slow responding but I will let everybody know what is happening as quickly as I can. Again Thanks! Chuck '71 F-250 390 C-6 ------------------------------ From: "G & J Boling" Subject: Re: FMX Transmission Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:14:26 -0400 Are you sure you're not thinking of the C4 there Gordon? I thought they quit > the FMX in the 70's sometime, and I didn't think it got the FMX designation > until sometime in the mid to late 60's, if its really an FMX that we're talking > about. =========================================================== NOPE there was the FMX which was sometimes called a second generation cruisomatic also the C4 & C6 were totaly different animals BUT the FMX could be manually shifted like the C6 was if you stuck it in 1st it stayed there till you put it into a different gear YES the FMX was made well into the 80s even and had an O.D version also if i get time after while i will get you the EXACT dates it began and ended gordon ------------------------------ From: "Garrett Nelson" Subject: Re: 390 cam/intake selection Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:16:51 -0500 Edelbrock Performer 390. I have one on my 390, works great. I got mine from Summit Racing. I have a fairly mild Melling cam but have been thinking of getting a hotter one. ---Garrett www.1966ford.com ----- Original Message ----- From: SMOKEY5209 aol.comTo: 61-79-list ford-trucks.comSent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 8:25 AM Subject: [61-79-list] 390 cam/intake selection I am looking for some suggestions on a cam and an intake for my 390 that I am building. This is my first FE rebuild and I read article after article until I am in the state of total confusion. I am on a tight budget for this truck and don't want to buy parts by trial and error. I am having the block bored .030 over and planning on running a 750 Holley, with headers. HELP!!! Ed ========================================================== To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com withthe words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the message. ------------------------------ From: "Pat" Subject: Stalling problem Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 00:23:05 -0700 This brings back the horror of fiddling with an exact same problem that turned out to be a piece of rubber fuel line where it went over the frame. Turns out that the inside of the hose had come adrift and what I had was a one way valve. The flap would drop down from time to time, usually when there was a strong fuel demand, and seal the line off. Worst part was that when you blew through it the other way the flap of course would never close. Drove me bloody nuts till I figured it out. By then I'd done every other thing you could imagine. Good luck. Pat From: "Michael White" Subject: Re: Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 19:57:26 -0600 After reading this post, my first thought was a fuel system problem. Michael > My son was driving the truck down the freeway when he > let off the gas for traffic and the truck died. He restarted and got about > 50 feet when it happened again. ------------------------------ From: "mike schuh" Subject: Re: 390 into '77 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 05:00:57 CDT Put a 360 in a 77 f150 a few years ago.It originally had a 351m and c6. got frame perches from a truck that came with a 360 and used them.I don't remember which holes to use to bolt them up though.Worked fine exept the oil drain plug was right under the crossmember.messy.It was a rear sump oil pan.good luck ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: daniel.r.mandernack gm.comDate: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:14:17 -0400 Subject: Part suppliers for 61-66 F100's I just bought a 63 F100 4x4 (bone stock) and am interested in finding parts (both new and used). Can you all recommend some sources? The only source I've found so far is Mac's and a few local bone yards around my home in Ann Arbor Michigan. Since the box on this thing is carryover from the 58-60, I guess I could us a parts source for those years too (if somebody really did specialize in 58-60's I think they'd probably starve to death)! Thanks, Dan ------------------------------ End of 61-79-list Digest V2000 #120 *********************************** ---------------------------------------------------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts 1961-1979 Truck Mailing List Send posts to 61-79-list ford-trucks.comIf you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, send an email to: listar ford-trucks.comwith the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the message. Visit Our Web Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com ---------------------------------------------------------- .... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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