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61-79-list Digest Sat, 03 Jun 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 116

In This Issue:
Tony Marino
Full Time
Re: ATF in a standard ? ? ?
Re: 71 F250 Camper Special
ADMIN: Web site updates
Re: 302 won't start
Re: ADMIN: Web site updates
Tulsa Trux
Re: ADMIN: Web site updates
460 heads
Re: 460 heads
351M Oil Seal question...
Re: 302 won't start
Re: 351M Oil Seal question...
77 351 Smog Stuff
Re: 77 351 Smog Stuff
Re: 77 351 Smog Stuff
1974 4X4
Re: 351M Oil Seal question...

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From: "Eric Washburn" flash.net>
Subject: Tony Marino
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 01:08:26 -0500

Hey Tony, what's your e-mail address? I have some questions for ya, I'm
buying a complete 300 tomorrow and was wondering if you could help me decode
the numbers on the block so I can see what year it is and such. I knew you'd
come in handy some day ;-)


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Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 23:34:17 -0700
From: Marv & Marge lafn.org>
Subject: Full Time

The Listfather wrote:
> Just took FTE full time as of 2 days ago

My wish for you: That which you do so well and love so much should be a
source of great joy and prosperity for you and yours. You've got a couple
of thousand guys behind you, all pushing for your success. If there's
anything we all can do, just ask! (There's POWER in numbers, just ask the
Deekster!)

Best wishes in the new endeavor!

-Marv-

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From: "G & J Boling" alltel.net>
Subject: Re: ATF in a standard ? ? ?
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 08:28:47 -0400


----- Original Message -----
From: wish ford-trucks.net>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 8:52 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: ATF in a standard ? ? ?


> >??? Automatic ATF fluid in a standard tranny? Is this done and I just
> >never knew it, or is this suspicious? Why wouldn't they have recommended
>
> >one of their gearlubes for these applications? (I'm confused.)
> >
> >ATF in a standard tranny. Is this a wise move or no? I wanna hear why
or
>
> >why not. Any input is appreciated.
>
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for allot of years MOPAR ran ATF in their stickshifts
it will make it shift easier when its cold out
gordon


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From: "Serian" flashmail.com>
Subject: Re: 71 F250 Camper Special
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 12:11:06 -0400

>. Last night on the way home from work, the lights went NUTS.
> It looked like I was flashing Morris code or something. The
> lights inside and out kept going on and off.
> It hasn't ever done that before.

This may very well be a case of corrosion in either the dimmer
switch or the headlight switch. Had the same problem in my
wife's 1977 Thunderbird for a bit; the lights would just turn off
unexpectedly while driving along ... I changed both the headlight
switch and the dimmer switch, and so far, no more problems
with the headlights.


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Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 12:16:54 -0400
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Web site updates

Ford Truck Enthusiasts web site updates:
http://www.ford-trucks.com

June 3:
Pictorial additions:
1932 Ford truck, 1969 F100, 1970 F250,
1977 F250 Ranger, 1980 F100 Custom, 1984 F150,
1996 Explorer Eddie Bauer 4x4

May 31:
NEW! 1932-1972 Ford Factory Service (Shop)
Manuals on CD-ROM! Ford Truck Enthusiasts is
pleased to offer these Ford Motor Company
licensed products.

May 29:
Pictorial additions: 1969 F100, 1977 F250 4x4
Highboy

May 28:
Part one in a series of articles detailing the
22nd Annual F100 Supernationals.

New Web store products:
-Several new engine/performance books added.
-Stainless steel polished and unpolished
engine, transmission and body fastener kits

Later,
Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 09:16:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Lee yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 302 won't start

Harry,
I think you are saying that after you clean the plugs,
you can start it once, but it dies at low RPM and
won't restart. Are the plugs wet again? If so it is
too rich. You may be a victim of too much fuel pump
pressure. When you rev it the pressure blows open the
needle valve in the carb and floods the motor. You say
that you have an elctric pump and a mechanical pump. I
would bypass the mechanical pump and run electric
only. Make sure that it is rated for 5-7 lbs pressure.

Dan Lee
'53 F100
400C-4V



>When I can get it to start, I'm doing that one. Only
>good for one extremely rough start that will run, if
I >can get it to higher RPM, but only for a short
time, >dies at lower RPM.


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Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 13:17:58 -0700
From: dave Prasse gte.net>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Web site updates

Hi List Boss,

Where do you get the pictures for the site ?
Do you show list members photos ?

I could send pictures of my flamed '66 2wd
and the starting of my '66 Beige Beast 4x4
pulling truck project , if you'd like.

dave Prasse


Ken Payne wrote:
>
> Ford Truck Enthusiasts web site updates:
> http://www.ford-trucks.com
>

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Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 13:26:38 -0700
From: dave Prasse gte.net>
Subject: Tulsa Trux

I used to get parts from these guys at Tulsa Trux.
They specialized in '61-66 Ford trucks.
Their phone number no longer works ...
any clues on what happened ?
did they move , go out of business , merge , change name ?

Thanks
dave Prasse

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Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 15:50:20 -0400
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Web site updates

At 04:17 PM 6/3/00 , you wrote:
>Hi List Boss,
>
>Where do you get the pictures for the site ?
>Do you show list members photos ?
>
>I could send pictures of my flamed '66 2wd
>and the starting of my '66 Beige Beast 4x4
>pulling truck project , if you'd like.
>
>dave Prasse
>

Email them to me, JPG/JPEG format, along with a description and I'll add them.

Ken



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From: "Jason" hotmail.com>
Subject: 460 heads
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 20:08:39 GMT

can i put 460 heads on my 1978 400
________________________________________________________________________


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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 16:12:41 EDT
Subject: Re: 460 heads

No, sorry, they are completely different animals. With some work you can put
Cleveland heads on em, but thats a lot of work, not to be done by most
backyard mechanics.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety" 460 4 speed

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Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 16:56:51 -0400
From: David Wadson air.on.ca>
Subject: 351M Oil Seal question...

Well, after replacing the wiring in the 79 4x4 with an unmolested harness
from a 77 and integrating the neutral safety switch into the older harness,
I got the truck started back up again...and promptly dripped oil all down
the driveway (thank goodness it's gravel). Unless it's coming from the back
of the intake (I just gave it a cursory glance but didn't see any splatter
back there) it sure looks like my rear main seal is shot. Boy was my
mechanic right when he referred to the truck as a "leaker."

Anyhoo, as usual the Haynes and Chilton manuals can't agree...Haynes book
says you have to remove the transmission and hence the transfer case as
well, but the Chilton book says I can do it without removing the
transmission as only the 6-300 and the diesel engines have one piece seals.
Supposedly this 351M, like all the other V8's, uses a two piece seal that
can be replaced while the engine and tranny are still in the truck.

So is it true that I can do this and if so, any tips for making a very oily
and grimey job any easier?


David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca
"PS1" - 79 F100 ...ground into a million pieces.
"PS2" - 78 F100 ...currently alive and kicking.
"PS3" - 79 F150 4x4 ...now what have I gotten myself into...
Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada



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From: SevnD2 aol.com
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 17:32:54 EDT
Subject: Re: 302 won't start

I have been following this thread. I notice that the plugs will repeatedly
get wet after trying to start the engine.
I had this happen once because the wrong power valve gasket was used. This
allowed gas to almost run into the intake. Same simptoms you have and would
start but just barely and then die shortly thereafter. Very wet plugs, all of
the spark I could ask for and no amount of timing or carb adjustments would
get me anywhere.

Finally I was just curious enough to disassemble th carb and check it out
once again. I found that the wrong power valve gasket had been used. It was
not aligned with the gasket mating surface because it was just a round washer
shaped gasket. The correct one for my power valve has three flat areas that
are on the inside of the washer looking gasket. I don't know the proper term
for this, so you will have to bare with me and fill in the proper terms where
needed. LOL

Hope this helps.

Rollie H. Hunt

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From: "Bill Beyer" pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: 351M Oil Seal question...
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 15:55:02 -0700

Yes the it can be replaced without removing the transmission because it's a
2 piece rear main seal. However I would look very closely at the oil
pressure sending unit first. They are notorious for leaking and will drip
right off the back of the engine.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

----- Original Message -----
From: David Wadson air.on.ca>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 1:56 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] 351M Oil Seal question...


> Well, after replacing the wiring in the 79 4x4 with an unmolested harness
> from a 77 and integrating the neutral safety switch into the older
harness,
> I got the truck started back up again...and promptly dripped oil all down
> the driveway (thank goodness it's gravel). Unless it's coming from the
back
> of the intake (I just gave it a cursory glance but didn't see any splatter
> back there) it sure looks like my rear main seal is shot. Boy was my
> mechanic right when he referred to the truck as a "leaker."
>
> Anyhoo, as usual the Haynes and Chilton manuals can't agree...Haynes book
> says you have to remove the transmission and hence the transfer case as
> well, but the Chilton book says I can do it without removing the
> transmission as only the 6-300 and the diesel engines have one piece
seals.
> Supposedly this 351M, like all the other V8's, uses a two piece seal that
> can be replaced while the engine and tranny are still in the truck.
>
> So is it true that I can do this and if so, any tips for making a very
oily
> and grimey job any easier?




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From: JXS bridgetest.com>
Subject: 77 351 Smog Stuff
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 16:36:51 -0700

OK, does anyone have any suggestions on finding some literature on hooking up all the smog stuff for a 77 F-250 4x4 (Colorado truck). It came with a charcoal canister, and EGR valve, and several other things that appear (at least from Clymer and Chilton) to be a "Spark Delay Valve", a "Ported Vacuum Switch", etc. There's also a "dashpot" or something similar with a wire coming out of the back of it.....

We're looking for a diagram of the proper hose routing to hook all this crap up. The reason for this exersize is that it has to pass a visual inspection. Of course, as soon as the inspection is over, this stuff will come off....

Anyway, Clymer and Chilton just aren't much help here.....

Thanks!!!!!

CJ (Colorado Jeff)



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Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 19:12:19 -0500
From: Ron Martens flash.net>
Subject: Re: 77 351 Smog Stuff

If you are in a city that supports a rather large library, check the reference area, they have a lot of manuals that pages can be copied with the necessary infomation. Also the factory shop manual gives a lot of information. If I rember correctly Chiltons has a book with only smog diagrams and the like. Also watch for someone who is driving a 77 like yours and ask to look under the hood, I have done this
myself here in Texas. Good hunting.

JXS wrote:

> OK, does anyone have any suggestions on finding some literature on hooking up all the smog stuff for a 77 F-250 4x4 (Colorado truck). It came with a charcoal canister, and EGR valve, and several other things that appear (at least from Clymer and Chilton) to be a "Spark Delay Valve", a "Ported Vacuum Switch", etc. There's also a "dashpot" or something similar with a wire coming out of the back of it.....
>
> We're looking for a diagram of the proper hose routing to hook all this crap up. The reason for this exersize is that it has to pass a visual inspection. Of course, as soon as the inspection is over, this stuff will come off....
>
> Anyway, Clymer and Chilton just aren't much help here.....
>
> Thanks!!!!!
>
> CJ (Colorado Jeff)
>
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From: "G & J Boling" alltel.net>
Subject: Re: 77 351 Smog Stuff
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 21:06:25 -0400


>
> JXS wrote:
>
> > OK, does anyone have any suggestions on finding some literature on
hooking up all the smog stuff for a 77 F-250 4x4 (Colorado truck). off....
Thanks!!!!!
CJ (Colorado Jeff)
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try the library as was suggested but look at the mechanics manual chiltons
has it is very different than the regular one OR if you can find one look at
a MOTORS REPAIR MANUAL
Gordon


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From: "Tom Williams" megavision.com>
Subject: 1974 4X4
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 21:00:43 -0500

I went to an auction today in the middle of nowhere Nebraska. There was an
older gent who was moving into town off of his farm. He was selling about 15
older cars and a couple of PU's. I wish several ford buff's besides myself
could have been there. He sold 2 1976 Lincoln continentals 44,000 actual
miles on one and 70,000 actual on the other. They were both in excellent
shape and ran great with 460's in both. The one with very low miles brought
$575.00 and the other one $550. These cars ran excellent and the interiors
were flawless. I was more interested in the PU's so I now could kick myself
now for not bidding on both of these. There was also a 1977 Ranchero GT,
with a fair amount of rust in the rear qtr's, but had a very nice interior
and dash was excellent with every gauge you could imagine. The car had a
351W and ran great, they had to work hard just to get $225.00 for it. I
bought the 1974 F100 Ranger 4X4 power steering and brakes, automatic, rusty
but runs great and the 4X4 works good. I gave $450.00 for the PU. I am not
sure if I will keep the truck or clean it up and put it up for sale here for
around $850.00. The front end is in need of some work.
Just wanted to share this sale with the list.

Thanks,
Tom Williams



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From: "davidl" tbcnet.com>
Subject: Re: 351M Oil Seal question...
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 09:16:21 -0500

Go to the parts house and pick up the seal. that will tell you for sure.
the one piece can be changed by moving the trans and transercase back a few
inches and them removing the flywheel. this is tight but we have done it
more than a few times. It helps in time that you dont have to drop the
trans.

not my final answer
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: David Wadson air.on.ca>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Saturday, June 03, 2000 3:58 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] 351M Oil Seal question...


>Well, after replacing the wiring in the 79 4x4 with an unmolested harness
>from a 77 and integrating the neutral safety switch into the older harness,
>I got the truck started back up again...and promptly dripped oil all down
>the driveway (thank goodness it's gravel). Unless it's coming from the back
>of the intake (I just gave it a cursory glance but didn't see any splatter
>back there) it sure looks like my rear main seal is shot. Boy was my
>mechanic right when he referred to the truck as a "leaker."
>
>Anyhoo, as usual the Haynes and Chilton manuals can't agree...Haynes book
>says you have to remove the transmission and hence the transfer case as
>well, but the Chilton book says I can do it without removing the
>transmission as only the 6-300 and the diesel engines have one piece seals.
>Supposedly this 351M, like all the other V8's, uses a two piece seal that
>can be replaced while the engine and tranny are still in the truck.
>
>So is it true that I can do this and if so, any tips for making a very oily
>and grimey job any easier?
>
>
>David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca
>"PS1" - 79 F100 ...ground into a million pieces.
>"PS2" - 78 F100 ...currently alive and kicking.
>"PS3" - 79 F150 4x4 ...now what have I gotten myself into...
>Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada
>
>....


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