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61-79-list Digest Thu, 01 Jun 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 115

In This Issue:
Re: early ford wheels
Re: early ford wheels
Re: early ford wheels
Re: Dana 24
Trlr hitches
Hot August Nights Reno
'77 Ranger XLT
toploader website???
Re: early ford wheels
Gas mileage for 1977 F100
Re: toploader website???
Re: Want an exhaust system 4 my truck
Re: Hot August Nights Reno
Head Info
Re: Head Info
Re: toploader website???
ATF in a standard ? ? ?
172 Ford industrial engine
Re: 302 won't start
Re: 172 Ford industrial engine
Re: ATF in a standard ? ? ?
Re: toploader website???
Re: toploader website???
Re: 71 F250 Camper Special
Re: Hot August Nights Reno
Vacuum diagram
Re: ATF in a standard ? ? ?
Re: Gas mileage for 1977 F100
Re: toploader website???
Re: 71 F250 Camper Special
Gauges
Re: Want an exhaust system 4 my truck
Re: 64-72 sport style bumper brackets
Re: 71 F250 Camper Special.
Re: 71 F250 Camper Special.
Re: Gas mileage for 1977 F100
Re: Vacuum diagram
Re: Gas mileage for 1977 F100
Re: Trlr hitches
1966 4x4 radiator support
Re: Gauges
Re: ATF in a standard ? ? ?

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Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 17:37:33 -0500
From: Ron Martens flash.net>
Subject: Re: early ford wheels

Where are you located?.

Natp244 cs.com wrote:

> I've been trying to put together a set of early ford wheels for my 64- the
> kind that have the hubcap tabs on the inside and take the small 10" hubcaps.
> I already had 2 15's on one of my trucks and 2 more 16.5's came on a parts
> truck I bought for the drivetrain. It wasn't until just recently that I
> realized they were 16.5's. They have the same bolt pattern as the 15's. My
> question is were these old style 16.5's an option? or were they for an
> earlier model truck? Now that I have 2 16.5" rims to get rid of, and need to
> find 2 more 15's, I thought it might be helpful knowing what I was dealing
> with. ANy ideas?? Thanks
>
> Nate 64
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From: "Garrett Nelson" writeme.com>
Subject: Re: early ford wheels
Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 17:49:27 -0500


I have 4 15" wheels like that, they came on my 66 F100. I have snow tires mounted on them now, but if you are interested in them let me know. I also have the hubcaps.

----Garrett www.1966ford.com
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Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 10:20 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] early ford wheels


I've been trying to put together a set of early ford wheels for my 64- the
kind that have the hubcap tabs on the inside and take the small 10" hubcaps.
I already had 2 15's on one of my trucks and 2 more 16.5's came on a parts
truck I bought for the drivetrain. It wasn't until just recently that I
realized they were 16.5's. They have the same bolt pattern as the 15's. My
question is were these old style 16.5's an option? or were they for an
earlier model truck? Now that I have 2 16.5" rims to get rid of, and need to
find 2 more 15's, I thought it might be helpful knowing what I was dealing
with. ANy ideas?? Thanks

Nate 64
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From: Natp244 cs.com
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 19:42:05 EDT
Subject: Re: early ford wheels

In a message dated 6/1/00 5:43:03 PM Central Daylight Time, martens flash.net
writes:

< < Where are you located?. > >
In the great state of Arkansas

Nate 64

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From: "Bill Beyer" pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: Dana 24
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 17:27:26 -0700

LMAO! Hope I never meet him on the trail...5 speed transfer case...that's
rich!

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

----- Original Message -----
From: MC pacifier.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 8:42 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Dana 24


> Thanks for the clarification on the meaning of the 2 speed. I always
assumed
> it meant that there was a hi and a lo, but a friend had an old ch #$ Luv
> that he claims had a 5 speed transfer case(4hi, 4lo, 2hi, 2lo, & Nuetral)
> I've told him I don't know how many times that there are only 2 speeds in
> it, but he still calls it a 5 speed. That's a chevy guy for ya.




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Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 19:37:35 -0500
From: Al Evitts brightok.net>
Subject: Trlr hitches

Guys: I have a 78 Van which I dearly love, it has just a bumper hitch
now and I would like a frame mounted hitch. JC Whitney shows some good
ones at decent prices but they claim they wont fit the 124 inch
wheelbase van which is what I have. Does anybody know what the
difference is in the frames of SWB and LWB vans? TIA

Al

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Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 18:47:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Art Verling excite.com>
Subject: Hot August Nights Reno

Hey,
Anyone going to Hot August Nights in Reno this year?
Will the FTE be represented? Would it be OK if I noted my affiliation with
the FTE on my application? I just signed up last night so I could just get
around and park easily my number is 0400. My truck is not spiffy enough to
show off but it will still be fun. They had about 500 openings still left. I
think they only allow 4000 vehicles to participate.
Here is a link if you want to see what it is about.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hotaugustnights.net/
Just wondering…

Art Verling
64 F100
art.verling excite.com





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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" HiWAAY.net>
Subject: '77 Ranger XLT
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 21:04:06 -0500


Larry Coffman writes: >>Could someone please help my memory, Is there such a thing as a 77 Ranger
XLT? Found one that appears to be in very good shape. Also what does the
Xlt package include?<<

Don't know what all it includes, but Yes they made it. It is the top-of-the-line for trim and interior, I believe.

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.




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Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 21:11:48 -0500
From: Stu Varner ford-trucks.com>
Subject: toploader website???

Several months back someone posted a commercial website that was dedicated
to the
Ford toploader. The guy is supposed to be one of the best rebuilders
of toploaders in the US. Anyone still have this guys URL? Anyone know
where a big spline toploader is
sitting not in use that may be for sale? I guess I need an FE bellhousing
too.
I am all ears and ready to gather the needed driveline components for the 68.

Thanks

Stu
Nuke GM!
http://www.ford-trucks.com/~nukegm


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From: "Carver" ncwebsurfer.com>
Subject: Re: early ford wheels
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 19:38:34 -0700

I have a pair of 16.5's that dad put on the rear to raise it a bit,
since he had a 3/4 ton camper on a half ton crewcab. The overleaf
springs weren't enough. My 16.5's are split rim. Anyone want 'em?

If you find a couple of 16 inch rims for a '64, let me know.
If I find any 15's, I'll drop a line.

Jeff '64 F100 CrewCab
--------------------------------
I've been trying to put together a set of early ford wheels for my 64- the
kind that have the hubcap tabs on the inside and take the small 10" hubcaps.
I already had 2 15's on one of my trucks and 2 more 16.5's came on a parts
truck I bought for the drivetrain. It wasn't until just recently that I
realized they were 16.5's. They have the same bolt pattern as the 15's. My
question is were these old style 16.5's an option? or were they for an
earlier model truck? Now that I have 2 16.5" rims to get rid of, and need
to
find 2 more 15's, I thought it might be helpful knowing what I was dealing
with. ANy ideas?? Thanks

Nate 64


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From: "Jstone" ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Gas mileage for 1977 F100
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 23:09:51 -0700

hey folks

I have a 1977 Ford f100 351M engine with 131K miles. I get around 11mpg.
Is this about right? Does anyone else get better gas mileage? If so what
can I do to improve mine.

Thanks,
Joel

1977 Ford F100 131K
1977 MB 300D 240K


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From: "Christopher Worley" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: toploader website???
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 20:42:30 PDT



Excuse my ignorance, but what exactly is a toploader tranny and what
advantages would it have over a manual three speed tranny.


Chris Worley
67 F100 (in pieces)

>From: Stu Varner ford-trucks.com>
>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: [61-79-list] toploader website???
>Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 21:11:48 -0500
>
>Several months back someone posted a commercial website that was dedicated
>to the
>Ford toploader. The guy is supposed to be one of the best rebuilders
>of toploaders in the US. Anyone still have this guys URL? Anyone know
>where a big spline toploader is
>sitting not in use that may be for sale? I guess I need an FE bellhousing
>too.
>I am all ears and ready to gather the needed driveline components for the
>68.
>
>Thanks
>
>Stu
>Nuke GM!
>http://www.ford-trucks.com/~nukegm
>
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From: "james schuh" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Want an exhaust system 4 my truck
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 23:06:47 CDT


i would recomend going to a local exhaust shop, one that can custom bend
pipes. from experience of working at an exhaust shop, i built custom
duals,etc. with pipe diameter ranging from 2" to 3". the best to install on
were ford pickups. they should be able to make what you would want as far as
looks, sound, and performance. however, i don't think you will gain much or
anything in performance with just an exhaust.

j schuh
1992 F150 XL 2wd (daily driver)
1974 Bronco 4X4
1988 f150 (soon to be 4X4)
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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 00:11:12 EDT
Subject: Re: Hot August Nights Reno

Im going to try and get Tweety up there, but I cant till the new motor is in. Im tryin though....

Darrell and Tweety

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From: "Chris Samuel" email.msn.com>
Subject: Head Info
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 00:29:40 -0700

Hi.

Somebody out there can help answer my question...

I have run across a smoking deal on a set of old but "NEW" Motorsport
Cylinder Heads. Unfortunately I have been unable to find my "old"
Motorsport/SVO catalog! Would you, if you can, copy off the specifications,
etc, for the following head:
"M-6049-A460"
The heads look like a raised port configuration. I can save my self a bunch
of time if I can find out, if, and or what, what manifold(s), etc., are
required.
A scan of the factory description would be way Kool!
In the mean time I keep looking for that old Ford catalog...
I just hope that I didn't loan it out, but I have this feeling that I may
have...

TIA
Muel



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Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 00:58:38 -0700
From: Jason Derra internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: Head Info

Chris,
The only listing that I find is for a part # M-6049-A429 for a bare head. I'm
not sure if they are the same, but I would imagine they are...
From the Motorsport book:
1. For use with 429-460 aftermarket or production block
2. Lightweight replacement for production CJ and SCJ cast iron heads
3. Made from 356-T6 aluminum, uses Ford racing valves, springs, retainers and
other
valve train components
4. Production type intake and exhaust manifolds can be used with these aluminum
CJ
heads
5. 72cc (nominal) combustion chamber
6. 2.20" intake, 1.76" exhaust valve diameters
7. Cylinder heads are sold individually
8. Uses Motorcraft AGS- series spark plugs
Jason
Chris Samuel wrote:

> Hi.
>
> Somebody out there can help answer my question...
>
> I have run across a smoking deal on a set of old but "NEW" Motorsport
> Cylinder Heads. Unfortunately I have been unable to find my "old"
> Motorsport/SVO catalog! Would you, if you can, copy off the specifications,
> etc, for the following head:
> "M-6049-A460"
> The heads look like a raised port configuration. I can save my self a bunch
> of time if I can find out, if, and or what, what manifold(s), etc., are
> required.
> A scan of the factory description would be way Kool!
> In the mean time I keep looking for that old Ford catalog...
> I just hope that I didn't loan it out, but I have this feeling that I may
> have...
>
> TIA
> Muel
>
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From: "G & J Boling" alltel.net>
Subject: Re: toploader website???
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 03:58:37 -0400

Anyone know
> where a big spline toploader is
> sitting not in use that may be for sale? I guess I need an FE bellhousing
> too.
> I am all ears and ready to gather the needed driveline components for the
68.
>
> Thanks
>
> Stu
========================================================
i have a friend who did have one from his 427 he just took out
contact me in a few days and i will find out if he wants to sell it IF NOT
i think theres a fella named DAN WILLIAMS in N.C. that advertises in the
FORD AUTO TRADER that has them for sale
gordon
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Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 08:28:26 -0400
From: Travis McGlaughlin hood.edu>
Subject: ATF in a standard ? ? ?

I'm on several different vehicle lists and I must say that this one always
tends to be more informed then the others. So I have something I want to
run by everyone to get some opinions.

I had sent an e-mail to the Amsoil Tech line asking several questions. The
reply made sense for nearly everything I asked.

However.... There was one part that I was unsure about. I was asking of the
different gear lubes they carry. I had mentioned I was driving a 77 F-150 3
speed standard ( <---- FTE content), and a 5 speed Escort GT. They said
that both those gearboxes "are typically filled with Amsoil ATF."

??? Automatic ATF fluid in a standard tranny? Is this done and I just
never knew it, or is this suspicious? Why wouldn't they have recommended
one of their gearlubes for these applications? (I'm confused.)

ATF in a standard tranny. Is this a wise move or no? I wanna hear why or
why not. Any input is appreciated.

Thanks.
Travis

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From: "Harley Putnam" hotmail.com>
Subject: 172 Ford industrial engine
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 08:45:44 -0400

This question might be a little strange, but here goes. I am rebuilding a
Ford industrial engine in a wood chipper. I can't find any information
regarding torque spec's for putting this thing back together. Was wondering
if any of you might know a source for this information. If you do, you can
drop me a note off list, and It would be GREATLY appreciated. FTE
content.....I dragged this critter to my shop behind my 69 F100. LOL

Thanks in advance
Andy

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Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 06:55:42 -0600
From: Harry Vermillion verinet.com>
Subject: Re: 302 won't start

*An engine needs fuel, air, compression, and spark all
*at the right time. Now which of those is missing?
*
Good question, as they all seem to be there.

*If the choke is open at all we can assume it is
*getting air, but placing a hand over the carb while
*the engine is cranked will give a good indication of
*that. Be careful that it doesn't backfire and burn
*you.

When I can get it to start, I'm doing that one. Only good for one
extremely rough start that will run, if I can get it to higher RPM,
but only for a short time, dies at lower RPM.

*A couple of pumps of the accelerator pedal, while
*looking down the throat of the carb, will tell you if
*you are getting fuel. There should be a good squirt of
*fuel in the carb.

That one's fine.

*A philips head screw driver inserted into the boot of
*a spark plug wire while the shaft is held close to
*some part of the engine block will produce a healthy
*spark when the engine is cranked. Hold the handle, not
*the shaft.

My neighbor and I got to the point of lining all the plug wires
along the exhaust manifolds, with the plugs out, near enough
to arc when we turned it over. They're all firing.

*A compression test will tell you a lot about the state
*of the motor. Good compression indicates it is OK.

The compression is up around 100 psi in each cylinder,
lowest near 90, higest 105.

*A rich mixture will cause wet plugs, do you smell fuel
*when you crank it? It may be flooding. Check the float
*setting on that rebuilt carb. A float that is too high
*will cause flooding.

Don't smeel fuel until I've been cranking a while. My
neighbor reset the float, sadi everything looked fine
while he was in there. I rebuilt this from a kit, my
third time on this carb, but its so far between
rebuilds, each time seems like a new experience.
(I've had this truck for 20 years, through two engine
rebuilds and alot of other stuff)

*As someone else mentioned that wire from the points to
*the coil should be insulated non-resistor wire.

I got this from a guy at a Big A store. I haven't checked it
for resistance, but I did get spark after swapping it in
(with the new points).

*How about your fuel pump or fuel filter. Step 2 should
*give you some idea about those, but fuel filters can
*let enough fuel thru to idle and even run at low
*speed, but stop the flow at higher speeds. This could
*be your original problem.

Filter's a new FRAM, my son changed the mechanical
pump not too many miles ago, and we swapped in a
new electric backup at the same time.

*The timing chain will not go bad gradually. If it
*slips timing, you will have problems all at once.

I'm afraid that I'm heading in that direction. I used
streel gears on the engine rebuilds, and its been ahwile
since the last one. The way my luck runs, there's two
or three things wrong when something does happen.
I'll dive in this weekend and see what's up. Thanks for the
help. I'll let you guys know.

--
Harry E. Vermillion
E-mail: north40verinet.com




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From: "Michael White" csolutions.net>
Subject: Re: 172 Ford industrial engine
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 07:14:02 -0600

Here are some general torque specs taken from a Haynes Ford engine overhaul
manual (#1763). If you can't find the exact specs for your task, these
should work. If your bolting aluminum, then use the lower torque number.

1/4-20 6-9 ft-lbs
5/16-18 12-18
5/16-24 14-20
3/8-16 22-32
3/8-24 27-38
7/16-14 40-55
7/16-20 40-60
1/2-13 55-80

~~~~~~~~~~
> This question might be a little strange, but here goes. I am rebuilding a
> Ford industrial engine in a wood chipper. I can't find any information
> regarding torque spec's for putting this thing back together. Was
wondering
> if any of you might know a source for this information. If you do, you
can
> drop me a note off list, and It would be GREATLY appreciated. FTE
> content.....I dragged this critter to my shop behind my 69 F100. LOL
>
> Thanks in advance
> Andy


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From: "wish" ford-trucks.net>
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 12:52:31 GMT
Subject: Re: ATF in a standard ? ? ?

>??? Automatic ATF fluid in a standard tranny? Is this done and I just
>never knew it, or is this suspicious? Why wouldn't they have recommended

>one of their gearlubes for these applications? (I'm confused.)
>
>ATF in a standard tranny. Is this a wise move or no? I wanna hear why or

>why not. Any input is appreciated.

Yeah, that's what they run now in new trannies. Supposed to be better for it
I think, thinner, cleaner, clingier ... all the cool stuff for oil. However
I don't know that I would run it in an older vehicle that has had the thicker
stuff in it. I don't think they mix real well and the seals probably aren't
up to the task.

The word for a while on the Mustang lists (mine takes ATF) was the best stuff
was the GM stuff, so I guess they aren't useless :)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 07:05:38 -0700
From: "John MacNamara" zhone.com>
Subject: Re: toploader website???

-- Unable to decode HTML file!! --


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Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 07:11:09 -0700
From: "John MacNamara" zhone.com>
Subject: Re: toploader website???

Stu: Here is the url: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.4speedtoploaders.com/idchart.htm

Stu Varner wrote:

> Several months back someone posted a commercial website that was dedicated
> to the
> Ford toploader. The guy is supposed to be one of the best rebuilders
> of toploaders in the US. Anyone still have this guys URL? Anyone know
> where a big spline toploader is
> sitting not in use that may be for sale? I guess I need an FE bellhousing
> too.
> I am all ears and ready to gather the needed driveline components for the 68.
>
> Thanks
>
> Stu
> Nuke GM!
> http://www.ford-trucks.com/~nukegm
>
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From: "MARTY COLMAN" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 71 F250 Camper Special
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 07:26:55 PDT

>
Thank you....now that you mention the lights going dim, they
have been. As
long as you're giving it a little gas, the lights would stay
bright, but as
soon as you let off the gas the lights would go back dim. Even
the blower
motor on the heater wouldn't blow as hard if you weren't giving
it a little
gas.
>

Laura,

My '73 F100 does the same thing - at idle the lights are dim and the heater
is slow, when I rev it up the lights brighten and heater speeds up. I am
told it is nothing to worry about, it has done it the whole time I've owned
it (over 5 yrs). I have replaced the alt, batt, cables and volt regulator
and it still does it. It's kind of annoying but nothing to be concerned
about.

Marty
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Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 10:36:16 -0400
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Hot August Nights Reno

At 09:47 PM 6/1/00 , you wrote:
>Hey,
>Anyone going to Hot August Nights in Reno this year?
>Will the FTE be represented? Would it be OK if I noted my affiliation with
>the FTE on my application? I just signed up last night so I could just get
>around and park easily my number is 0400. My truck is not spiffy enough to
>show off but it will still be fun. They had about 500 openings still left. I
>think they only allow 4000 vehicles to participate.
>Here is a link if you want to see what it is about.
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hotaugustnights.net/
>Just wondering…
>
>Art Verling
>64 F100
>art.verlingexcite.com

There's a possibility we'll go but its too soon to tell
from a financial viewpoint. Just took FTE full time
as of 2 days ago and money's going to be tight. You're
welcome to say you're an FTE member on the application,
I'm flattered actually.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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From: "Rick Burdt" adelphia.net>
Subject: Vacuum diagram
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 10:54:46 -0400


I have just purchased a '79 F150 and was told that it had a 351 Cleveland in it. After running the block numbers I found out that it wasn't, but I'm not too terribly dismayed. It turns out to be a 302 that was built in '68 or '69. For what I'm going to be using this truck for, this is all the engine I will need and I'm told that it will be much easier to find parts etc. Here's my problem: one of the previous owners apparently thought that vacuum lines were ugly or something and snipped most of them off, they were gracious enough to cap them off with whatever sheetmetal screw they could find. Does anyone know where I could find a basic vacuum diagram for this motor? I tried the local dealership but they didn't have anything anywhere near that old on record.

Thanks,

Rick
'79 F150 4X4 302


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From: JUMPINFORDaol.com
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 11:12:58 EDT
Subject: Re: ATF in a standard ? ? ?

In a message dated 6/2/00 5:27:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
tmcglaughlinhood.edu writes:

<< ATF in a standard tranny. Is this a wise move or no? I wanna hear why or
why not. Any input is appreciated.
>>

My moms 88 T-Bird has a 5 speed that takes ATF. It makes it easy to shift
when its cold, thats the only reason I know of for wanting to use it. Also a
friends 91 Explorer used ATF in the tranny and T-Case. I guess it just
depends on what the factory says.

Darrell & Tweety

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Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 10:40:25 -0500
Subject: Re: Gas mileage for 1977 F100
From: John LaGrone ford-trucks.com>

on 6/2/2000 1:09 AM, Jstone at jstoneix.netcom.com wrote:

> hey folks
>
> I have a 1977 Ford f100 351M engine with 131K miles. I get around 11mpg.
> Is this about right? Does anyone else get better gas mileage? If so what
> can I do to improve mine.
>
> Thanks,
> Joel

Joel, I have a 79 F150 (see signature line). 10 to 11 in town is it. 14 to
17 on the road. I have a 3.25 axle ratio.

-- John
jlagroneford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 11:08:25 -0500
From: Stu Varner ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: toploader website???

At 07:11 AM 6/2/00 -0700, you wrote:
>Stu: Here is the url: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.4speedtoploaders.com/idchart.htm
>
>Stu Varner wrote:
>

Thanks Big guy!!! I knew someone on the list would come through for me.

Stu
Nuke GM!
http://www.ford-trucks.com/~nukegm (for sale!!)

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From: "Alex Cook" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 71 F250 Camper Special
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 16:29:48 GMT




>. Last night on the
> > way home from work, the lights went NUTS. It looked like I was flashing
> > Morris code or something. The lights inside and out kept going on and
>off.
> > It hasn't ever done that before.

I saw that once on "Close Encounters of the Third Kind." Is there
something else your not telling us? Do you remember where you were last
night ? ;)
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From: mikeliltoot.com
Subject: Gauges
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:04:36 -0400

I believe Darrel is right on the gauges. I know a guy who took the
instrument panel out of a F-600 and put in his 65 F-350 and it had these
same gauges. We all know the years of the small trucks this panel will
fit(61 -66), however, I'm not sure which years the big trucks carried them.
Didn't the larger trucks carry certain styling longer than the pickups?


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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: Want an exhaust system 4 my truck
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:27:40 -0400

Clifford Performance Exhaust would be a good source for a header.Whether or
not it would be worth it or not is in your own opinion.It will probably
give you a little better gas mileage & sound alot better,depending on the
actual system that you put on it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rizard209aol.com aol.com>
To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com <61-79-listford-trucks.com>
Date: Thursday, June 01, 2000 1:58 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Want an exhaust system 4 my truck


>i got a 1970 ford f100 with a 300ci engine -6 cylinder........ i want to
put
>an exhaust system on it...... any one have any ideas? Who has the best
>exhaust system- flowmaster....magnaflow....borla? Would it b worth it? Do
>they even make them for my year? any help would b appreciated...thank you
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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: 64-72 sport style bumper brackets
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:31:06 -0400

Check with Dennis Carpenter or LMC.If they don't have them,maybe they can
point you in the right direction.
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Varner ford-trucks.com>
To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com <61-79-listford-trucks.com>
Date: Thursday, June 01, 2000 9:26 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] 64-72 sport style bumper brackets


>Guys and Gals,
>
>I need a set of 64-72 sport style bumper brackets for my 68. Does anyone
>have a set handy for sale?
>These are different brackets than for a 73-79.
>
>Thanks for the help.
>
>Stu
>Nuke GM!
>
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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: 71 F250 Camper Special.
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:33:36 -0400

I would start from the light switch & work my way back thru the wiring.
-----Original Message-----
From: Laura Spencer junct.com>
To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com <61-79-listford-trucks.com>
Date: Thursday, June 01, 2000 10:28 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] 71 F250 Camper Special.


>We bought a 71 F250 Camper Special about 3 years ago. The engine was shot
>in it, a 360, but the body was in great shape. Needed painted, but no body
>work was needed.
>
>We got the engine rebuilt about a year and a half ago and its been running
>like a champ ever since....at least until last night. Last night on the
>way home from work, the lights went NUTS. It looked like I was flashing
>Morris code or something. The lights inside and out kept going on and off.
>It hasn't ever done that before.
>
>The wiring on this old truck was a nightmare when we got it. Still is in
>fact.....The old boy that had it before us...well lets just say this old
>truck hadn't been off the farm in a LONG time. It looked like when we got
>it that when ever something broke on it, he took what ever was handy and
>jury rigged it up good enough to get by. We like to have never got the
tail
>lights working on it because the wires going back to the tail
>lights....oh.....you would have just have to have saw it. At least
>it doesn't have wires just hanging every where now, but it's far from being
>back to factory.
>
>She's been coming together pretty good and we've been happy with it until
>last night. Any ideas about what might have happened. It wasn't raining
>so I don't think moisture shorting them out.
>
>
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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: 71 F250 Camper Special.
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:39:46 -0400

If the original alternator had the double pulley on it,I would take the
pulley off the old alternator & put it on the new one.with only one belt on
there it may not be charging right.Or you may not have the single belt
tensioned enough so it will charge correctly.
-----Original Message-----
From: Laura Spencer junct.com>
To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com <61-79-listford-trucks.com>
Date: Thursday, June 01, 2000 12:54 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 71 F250 Camper Special.


>Thank you....now that you mention the lights going dim, they have been. As
>long as you're giving it a little gas, the lights would stay bright, but as
>soon as you let off the gas the lights would go back dim. Even the blower
>motor on the heater wouldn't blow as hard if you weren't giving it a little
>gas. If you idle it up a little to keep it running a little faster, it
>would
>make a horrible sound when you put it in gear...almost like it was trying
to
>jerk the U joints out, so we had to idle it back down and live with the
>lights.
>
>The alternator went out on it a while back, and the replacement alternator
>only had one pulley. The old one was designed for a double pulley with
>matching belts. I have wondered if that might not be some of its problem
>with the lights going dim. What do you think?
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell" oaielectronics.com>
>To: <61-79-listford-trucks.com>
>Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 10:13 AM
>Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 71 F250 Camper Special.
>
>
>> >
>> . Last night on the
>> > way home from work, the lights went NUTS. It looked like I was
flashing
>> > Morris code or something. The lights inside and out kept going on and
>> off.
>> > It hasn't ever done that before.
>> >
>>
>>
>> You may want to look into replacing the voltage regulator. I had mine
>loose
>> one headlight than the other, then all of the lights would get dim. I
>> changed out the voltage regulator and it fixed the problem.
>> Paul Rozell
>> 65 F100 460 C6
>> 96 F150 SC 5.0
>>
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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: Gas mileage for 1977 F100
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:51:16 -0400

I have a '78 F-150 with the 351M & it doesn't get very good gas mileage
either.They were not known as a miser motor.Most of them I've ever seen
drank the gas pretty heavy.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jstone ix.netcom.com>
To: Ford truck list <61-79-listford-trucks.com>
Date: Thursday, June 01, 2000 10:53 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Gas mileage for 1977 F100


>hey folks
>
>I have a 1977 Ford f100 351M engine with 131K miles. I get around 11mpg.
>Is this about right? Does anyone else get better gas mileage? If so what
>can I do to improve mine.
>
>Thanks,
>Joel
>
>1977 Ford F100 131K
>1977 MB 300D 240K
>
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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: Vacuum diagram
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:54:58 -0400

Check out a Chiltons Manual .
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Burdt adelphia.net>
To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com <61-79-listford-trucks.com>
Date: Friday, June 02, 2000 10:56 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Vacuum diagram


>
>I have just purchased a '79 F150 and was told that it had a 351 Cleveland
in it. After running the block numbers I found out that it wasn't, but I'm
not too terribly dismayed. It turns out to be a 302 that was built in '68
or '69. For what I'm going to be using this truck for, this is all the
engine I will need and I'm told that it will be much easier to find parts
etc. Here's my problem: one of the previous owners apparently thought that
vacuum lines were ugly or something and snipped most of them off, they were
gracious enough to cap them off with whatever sheetmetal screw they could
find. Does anyone know where I could find a basic vacuum diagram for this
motor? I tried the local dealership but they didn't have anything anywhere
near that old on record.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Rick
>'79 F150 4X4 302
>
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From: "Erik Marquez" alaska.com>
Subject: Re: Gas mileage for 1977 F100
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:58:56 -0800

1978 Bronco, 351M, Holley 600, Edelbrock performer, intake and cam. 4spd
4,900# empty, 5,300# normal running weight, 6,200# when packed for a trip.
10.5 MPG average, and that is data from a 5K mile trip. 3~6mpg when
wheeling hard. Had 12.5 MPG once :-) but have never seen that again,
think it was just a set of circumstances that allowed it, i.e. no hills,
head wind, easy on the right pedal, no stop and go

Erik Marquez
bronco78alaska.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.home.gci.net/~bronco78
Home of the BB decal


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From: "Southerland, Rich" alldata.com>
Subject: Re: Trlr hitches
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 11:40:40 -0700

I think it has to do with fuel tank placement.

-----Original Message-----
From: Al Evitts [mailto:albertbrightok.net]
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 5:38 PM
To: 61-79-listford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Trlr hitches


Guys: I have a 78 Van which I dearly love, it has just a bumper hitch
now and I would like a frame mounted hitch. JC Whitney shows some good
ones at decent prices but they claim they wont fit the 124 inch
wheelbase van which is what I have. Does anybody know what the
difference is in the frames of SWB and LWB vans? TIA

Al
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Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 13:46:02 -0700
From: dave Prasse gte.net>
Subject: 1966 4x4 radiator support


Hello All ,

I am a new subscriber to this list.

Background info ...

bought my Grandfathers 1966 F250 4x2 back in '79
for my first vehicle. It was beige with 240 I6 and truck 4 speed 4.56
rear.

Over the High School years it had the 240 pulled for a 351C 4 barrel
from a Mustang. It had 3 different exhausts : side pipes , zoomy
exhaust (like the dragsters - cops did not approve :-( ) and finally
dual 3' glass packs. It was painted black with flames. I still have my
H.S. sweetheart (I'm still married to my other H.S. sweety )Chrome roll
bar.
It was at the Car Craft Nats in '81,2,3 and 84.

This spring I just bought a 1966 F250 4x4 .
I need to know if the '66 4x4 uses the same radiator support piece
that the 4x2 uses . the 4x4 uses the older style cab and fender liners.
there is not enough of the existing support to measure for comparison
....
by eye-balling , they look the same.

Anyone know of a source for the support piece ?

Thank in advance

dave Prasse
Freeport , IL

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From: JUMPINFORDaol.com
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 18:37:51 EDT
Subject: Re: Gauges

In a message dated 6/2/00 10:07:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, mikeliltoot.com
writes:

<< Didn't the larger trucks carry certain styling longer than the pickups? >>
Well I can tell you our 73 F-600 uses the older 67-72 style Dash, even though
they did change te outter bodywork to that of the 73-79.

Darrell & Tweety

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From: SHill48337aol.com
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 00:30:58 EDT
Subject: Re: ATF in a standard ? ? ?

In a message dated 6/2/00 5:27:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
tmcglaughlinhood.edu writes:

<< ATF in a standard tranny. Is this a wise move or no? I wanna hear why or
why not. Any input is appreciated.

Thanks.
Travis >>

I do not know about those particular tannys. But there are many that the
manufacture requires ATF, both Ford and GM. I also know that the AmsOil ATF
is one of the most outstanding oil developed.

Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460

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