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61-79-list Digest Wed, 31 May 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 114

In This Issue:
Re: Dana 24
Re: Dana 24
Re: Dana 24
Re: 302 won't start
Re: bed floors
77 F-150 Ranger XLT?
Unusual 61-65 dash
early ford wheels
Re: Unusual 61-65 dash
Re: 302 won't start
You oughta be in pictures...
Re: Dana 24
Re: 77 F-150 Ranger XLT?
66 weatherstrip
Want an exhaust system 4 my truck
64-72 sport style bumper brackets
Re: Unusual 61-65 dash
Dana 24
71 F250 Camper Special.
Re: Want an exhaust system 4 my truck
Re: Unusual 61-65 dash
Re: 71 F250 Camper Special.
Re: Dana 24
Re: 71 F250 Camper Special.
Re: 71 F250 Camper Special.
Re: 71 F250 Camper Special.

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Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 13:09:09 -0700
From: Don Grossman mac.com>
Subject: Re: Dana 24

>Hi guys, I need your expertise. A friend called me today asking about
>details on a truck he saw for sale with a Dana 24 transfer case, but I
>couldn't help him out. I don't know what it is either. I have an NP203,
>NP205, and a Dana 21, but I don't know what the 24 is. Can you guys fill me
>in?
>
>Thanks, Matt
Well Matt the Dana 24 is a 2 speed t-case used since 59' in the F100
and F250 I think the low range is 1.96:1 and is all gear drive.
Think of is as the early NP205. Just as stout. I have not looked
for parts for this unit so I am not sure what a rebuild will cost if
needed. This was used in the F100 until 65 and the F250 until 74 (
or there about)

Anything else?

Laters
--
Don Grossman
duckdon mac.com

43 GPW
63 F-100 4x4
77 F250
99 Contour

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From: "MC" pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: Dana 24
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 13:25:06 -0700

Do you mean a 2 speed as in only 2wd, and 4wd, like my Dana 21?
Probably just a heavier duty version of the 21?
Thanks for the info Don

Matt

>Well Matt the Dana 24 is a 2 speed t-case used since 59' in the F100
>and F250 I think the low range is 1.96:1 and is all gear drive.
>Think of is as the early NP205. Just as stout. I have not looked
>for parts for this unit so I am not sure what a rebuild will cost if
>needed. This was used in the F100 until 65 and the F250 until 74 (
>or there about)

>Anything else?

>Laters
>--
>Don Grossman
duckdon mac.com


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Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 13:45:10 -0700
From: Don Grossman mac.com>
Subject: Re: Dana 24

>Do you mean a 2 speed as in only 2wd, and 4wd, like my Dana 21?
>Probably just a heavier duty version of the 21?
>Thanks for the info Don
>
>Matt
>
>>Well Matt the Dana 24 is a 2 speed t-case used since 59' in the F100
>>and F250 I think the low range is 1.96:1 and is all gear drive.
> >Think of is as the early NP205.



2 speed as in Hi and low, hence the 1.96:1 low range. it is a part
time case so you will have 2Hi, 2low, N, and a 4low positions just
like the NP205. The Dana 21 simply has in and out for the front axle.

--
Don Grossman
duckdon mac.com

43 GPW
63 F-100 4x4
77 F250
99 Contour

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Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 15:27:37 -0600
From: "Richard Currit" state.wy.us>
Subject: Re: 302 won't start

> I've been pulling the plugs (they're all wet with fuel),

Will it start and run with the gas pedal held all the way to the floor?
If so you have a flooding problem, probably the floats or a stuck
needle.

>Someone once told me a long time ago, that at this >altitude (near
Denver) the #1 plug wire shouldn't be in >the #1 position on the
distributor cap,

Naw. I live at 6,000 feet here in Cheyenne and its not necessary.
Rule of thumb is usually an additional degree of advance per 1000 feet,
up to but not over 6 extra degrees. Have you tried putting a timing
light on it while cranking it over to see how close it is? You might
also want to slap it on all the plug wires to make sure they are firing.
If they are, and number one is close to where it should be, my best
guess is still a flooding carb.

I would also double check the firing order again (don't ask me how many
times I've gotten the middle two plugs on a I6 switched, its
embarassing). Not sure what else to suggest at this point.
High Plains Richard
'72 F-100, 300 I6

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From: FORDTRKNUT aol.com
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 17:47:21 EDT
Subject: Re: bed floors

I had a catolag for a company that mde entire beds for 1973-1979 Ford Pickups
(as well as others). The company is called TABCO. The sheet metal is "Made
In Japan", and is garbage IMHO. A couple of friends had TABCO 1979 Beds, and
the welds seperated, and it fell apart. They sell patch panels also.... See
if they have an address "On The Net". Good Luck!! Wayne Grabley

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From: "Larry Coffman" defnet.com>
Subject: 77 F-150 Ranger XLT?
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 20:00:15 -0400

Could someone please help my memory, Is there such a thing as a 77 Ranger
XLT? Found one that appears to be in very good shape. Also what does the
Xlt package include?

Larry Coffman
66 F-100
77 F-150 4x4


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From: Natp244 cs.com
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 23:14:50 EDT
Subject: Unusual 61-65 dash

I saw this item for auction on e-bay and my curiosity was immediately
aroused. It is a dash instrument cluster of the 61-65 style, but it includes
a factory tach and vacuum guage on either side of the speedometer, where all
trucks I have seen just have 2 blank circles. I have never seen anything
like this, and was just wondering if anyone knows what it was made for, or if
it is some sort of conversion. I thought it might be for the rare and
elusive 65 Ranger, but I assumed the 65 ranger had the same dash as the 65
Custom cab, with the sweeping speedo. In case my description isn't adequate,
you can cut and paste this link to see a pic of it. Just asking out of
curiosity, but I sure thought it would look nice in my 64! Too bad, though-
it's way out of my reach. Anyway, just thought I'd ask. Thanks

Nate 64
1964 Custom Cab F-100
1964 Standard Cab F-100
(both dismantled for resto)
1990 F-150 Lariat (my daily driver)

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From: Natp244 cs.com
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 23:20:24 EDT
Subject: early ford wheels

I've been trying to put together a set of early ford wheels for my 64- the
kind that have the hubcap tabs on the inside and take the small 10" hubcaps.
I already had 2 15's on one of my trucks and 2 more 16.5's came on a parts
truck I bought for the drivetrain. It wasn't until just recently that I
realized they were 16.5's. They have the same bolt pattern as the 15's. My
question is were these old style 16.5's an option? or were they for an
earlier model truck? Now that I have 2 16.5" rims to get rid of, and need to
find 2 more 15's, I thought it might be helpful knowing what I was dealing
with. ANy ideas?? Thanks

Nate 64

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From: Natp244 cs.com
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 23:21:31 EDT
Subject: Re: Unusual 61-65 dash

OOOPS! here's the link I left out of the other message for anyone who wants
to look at the dash I was talking about.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=342538980


Nate 64

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Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 20:48:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Lee yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 302 won't start

Harry,
An engine needs fuel, air, compression, and spark all
at the right time. Now which of those is missing?

If the choke is open at all we can assume it is
getting air, but placing a hand over the carb while
the engine is cranked will give a good indication of
that. Be careful that it doesn't backfire and burn
you.

A couple of pumps of the accelerator pedal, while
looking down the throat of the carb, will tell you if
you are getting fuel. There should be a good squirt of
fuel in the carb.

A philips head screw driver inserted into the boot of
a spark plug wire while the shaft is held close to
some part of the engine block will produce a healthy
spark when the engine is cranked. Hold the handle, not
the shaft.

A compression test will tell you a lot about the state
of the motor. Good compression indicates it is OK.

A rich mixture will cause wet plugs, do you smell fuel
when you crank it? It may be flooding. Check the float
setting on that rebuilt carb. A float that is too high
will cause flooding.

As someone else mentioned that wire from the points to
the coil should be insulated non-resistor wire.

How about your fuel pump or fuel filter. Step 2 should
give you some idea about those, but fuel filters can
let enough fuel thru to idle and even run at low
speed, but stop the flow at higher speeds. This could
be your original problem.

The timing chain will not go bad gradually. If it
slips timing, you will have problems all at once.

Dan Lee
'53 F100
400C-4V


> Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 06:58:37 -0600
> From: Harry Vermillion verinet.com>
> Subject: 302 won't start
>
> I've got an '70 E-200 with a 2-bbl 302 and a C4 and
> I can't get it to
> fire. After it started running rough go uphill and
> later when I'd put
> it in gear, I got into some much needed maintenance:
>
> Rebuilt the carb, replaced the plugs, plug
> wires, points, condenser,
> distributor cap, coil and the wire from the points
> to the negative side
> of the coil (with the resistor cable). Checked
> through the wiring and
> it checks out.Just won't start, barely catches.
> I've got a neighbor
> who's been wrenching for a living for quite a while,
> and though he's a
> Ford man, he's baffled too. It did start once or
> twice, but ran REAL
> rough. Point gap at .018, plugs at .035. Good
> compression, but I'm
> beginning to wonder if I shouldn't pull the valve
> covers to be sure the
> valves are all operating (split cam?) I've been
> pulling the plugs
> (they're all wet with fuel), to dry them and have
> checked the gap and
> the firing order a couple of times just to be sure.
> Someone once told me
> a long time ago, that at this altitude (near Denver)
> the #1 plug wire
> shouldn't be in the #1 position on the distributor
> cap, but I don't
> remember which way to bump them around (I would
> assume it would go into
> the #8 position for the advance?), but I think it
> would start as I moved
> the distributor if it were just timing. Any
> suggestions?
>
> --
> Harry E. Vermillion
> E-mail: north40 verinet.com


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From: "Mike" connect.ab.ca>
Subject: You oughta be in pictures...
Date: (No, or invalid, date.)

Does anyone out there happen to be in possession of 67-72 F-series truck photographs taken at dealerships
or on assenbly lines during those years? I would like to obtain copies of them if possible and you can contact me off list. Thanks. Mike.


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Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:00:45 -0700
From: Jason Derra internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: Dana 24

2 speed meaning hi and low range.


MC wrote:

> Do you mean a 2 speed as in only 2wd, and 4wd, like my Dana 21?
> Probably just a heavier duty version of the 21?
> Thanks for the info Don
>
> Matt
>
> >Well Matt the Dana 24 is a 2 speed t-case used since 59' in the F100
> >and F250 I think the low range is 1.96:1 and is all gear drive.
> >Think of is as the early NP205. Just as stout. I have not looked
> >for parts for this unit so I am not sure what a rebuild will cost if
> >needed. This was used in the F100 until 65 and the F250 until 74 (
> >or there about)
>
> >Anything else?
>
> >Laters
> >--
> >Don Grossman
> duckdon mac.com
>
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Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:06:24 -0700
From: Jason Derra internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: 77 F-150 Ranger XLT?

Yes, there is.
Jason

Larry Coffman wrote:

> Could someone please help my memory, Is there such a thing as a 77 Ranger
> XLT? Found one that appears to be in very good shape. Also what does the
> Xlt package include?
>
> Larry Coffman
> 66 F-100
> 77 F-150 4x4
>
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From: "Doug Neely" telus.net>
Subject: 66 weatherstrip
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:14:20 -0700


Try metro weatherstrip , they don't have it listed in the parts search
but they may have it in stock
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.metrommp.com/


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From: Rizard209 aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 01:55:07 EDT
Subject: Want an exhaust system 4 my truck

i got a 1970 ford f100 with a 300ci engine -6 cylinder........ i want to put
an exhaust system on it...... any one have any ideas? Who has the best
exhaust system- flowmaster....magnaflow....borla? Would it b worth it? Do
they even make them for my year? any help would b appreciated...thank you

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Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 08:27:06 -0500
From: Stu Varner ford-trucks.com>
Subject: 64-72 sport style bumper brackets

Guys and Gals,

I need a set of 64-72 sport style bumper brackets for my 68. Does anyone
have a set handy for sale?
These are different brackets than for a 73-79.

Thanks for the help.

Stu
Nuke GM!

http://www.ford-trucks.com/~nukegm (for sale)

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From: "wish" ford-trucks.net>
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 12:47:30 GMT
Subject: Re: Unusual 61-65 dash

It is a dash instrument cluster of the 61-65 style, but it includes
>a factory tach and vacuum guage on either side of the speedometer, where all

>trucks I have seen just have 2 blank circles.

Who cares what its for, its a pretty sweet dash :)

Actually I wonder if that was for a delivery truck or something designed for
heavier use ? A lot of times they would share dash components with the smaller
pickups and such and it would be interchangeable that way ...

A factory vaccuum gauge is pretty durned cool in itself :)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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From: "Jeffrey L Schulz" bridgetest.com>
Subject: Dana 24
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 08:09:24 -0600

Matt,

I think I've seen one in a rolling chassis that Marino has...

Seems pretty similar to the 205....

Maybe Tony can pitch in here...

CJ (Colorado Jeff)


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From: "Laura Spencer" junct.com>
Subject: 71 F250 Camper Special.
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 09:25:14 -0500

We bought a 71 F250 Camper Special about 3 years ago. The engine was shot
in it, a 360, but the body was in great shape. Needed painted, but no body
work was needed.

We got the engine rebuilt about a year and a half ago and its been running
like a champ ever since....at least until last night. Last night on the
way home from work, the lights went NUTS. It looked like I was flashing
Morris code or something. The lights inside and out kept going on and off.
It hasn't ever done that before.

The wiring on this old truck was a nightmare when we got it. Still is in
fact.....The old boy that had it before us...well lets just say this old
truck hadn't been off the farm in a LONG time. It looked like when we got
it that when ever something broke on it, he took what ever was handy and
jury rigged it up good enough to get by. We like to have never got the tail
lights working on it because the wires going back to the tail
lights....oh.....you would have just have to have saw it. At least
it doesn't have wires just hanging every where now, but it's far from being
back to factory.

She's been coming together pretty good and we've been happy with it until
last night. Any ideas about what might have happened. It wasn't raining
so I don't think moisture shorting them out.



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From: "Laura Spencer" junct.com>
Subject: Re: Want an exhaust system 4 my truck
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 09:30:15 -0500

We just bought a 70 F100 about 3 weeks ago with a 300 straight 6. Ours is a
short bed, side step.
I do have a question though....this old truck....I don't think this is the
right bed for it. It looks more like one off of a 50 era pickup. The side
rails aren't flat like on top on our 71 pickup...they're more at a 45 degree
angle...does that make sense? Is there a web site that anyone knows of that
has a picture of what this truck bed is suppose to look like?


----- Original Message -----
From: aol.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 12:55 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Want an exhaust system 4 my truck


> i got a 1970 ford f100 with a 300ci engine -6 cylinder........ i want to
put
> an exhaust system on it...... any one have any ideas? Who has the best
> exhaust system- flowmaster....magnaflow....borla? Would it b worth it? Do
> they even make them for my year? any help would b appreciated...thank you
> ==========================================================
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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 10:56:30 EDT
Subject: Re: Unusual 61-65 dash

That is the dash out of a heavy duty truck, like an F-500 or F-600. Possibly
a moving truck. A company I worked for had a 71 F-600, it was an old Uhaul
Van, we used it for onsite storage. It had the factory Vacuum guage. About
all I can think it was for was improving gas mileage. Could also help in
case you lost vacuum assist for the brakes, sort of an early warning, but I
dont know. Good lookin dash.

Darrell & Tweety

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From: prozell oaielectronics.com (OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell)
Subject: Re: 71 F250 Camper Special.
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 10:13:41 -0500

>
. Last night on the
> way home from work, the lights went NUTS. It looked like I was flashing
> Morris code or something. The lights inside and out kept going on and
off.
> It hasn't ever done that before.
>


You may want to look into replacing the voltage regulator. I had mine loose
one headlight than the other, then all of the lights would get dim. I
changed out the voltage regulator and it fixed the problem.
Paul Rozell
65 F100 460 C6
96 F150 SC 5.0


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From: "MC" pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: Dana 24
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 08:42:17 -0700

Thanks for the clarification on the meaning of the 2 speed. I always assumed
it meant that there was a hi and a lo, but a friend had an old ch #$ Luv
that he claims had a 5 speed transfer case(4hi, 4lo, 2hi, 2lo, & Nuetral)
I've told him I don't know how many times that there are only 2 speeds in
it, but he still calls it a 5 speed. That's a chevy guy for ya.

Matt


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From: "Hogan, Tom" kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: 71 F250 Camper Special.
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 08:47:31 -0700


>
> We bought a 71 F250 Camper Special about 3 years ago. The
> engine was shot
> in it, a 360, but the body was in great shape. Needed
> painted, but no body
> work was needed.
>
> We got the engine rebuilt about a year and a half ago and its
> been running
> like a champ ever since....at least until last night. Last
> night on the
> way home from work, the lights went NUTS. It looked like I
> was flashing
> Morris code or something. The lights inside and out kept
> going on and off.
> It hasn't ever done that before.
>


Try a new light switch. There is a circuit breaker in that switch that has
been known to go bad and cause this symptom. After you replace the switch
you might check out the "Brighter brights" article on the FTE web page. It
has the advantage of cutting the current through the factory switch which
should extend its life.

You should consider replacing the wiring with a new unmolested harness. It
may be expensive but it shouldnt be too hard to do and the elimination of
headaches in the future would be worth it.

Tom H.

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From: "Laura Spencer" junct.com>
Subject: Re: 71 F250 Camper Special.
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 11:50:55 -0500

Thank you....now that you mention the lights going dim, they have been. As
long as you're giving it a little gas, the lights would stay bright, but as
soon as you let off the gas the lights would go back dim. Even the blower
motor on the heater wouldn't blow as hard if you weren't giving it a little
gas. If you idle it up a little to keep it running a little faster, it
would
make a horrible sound when you put it in gear...almost like it was trying to
jerk the U joints out, so we had to idle it back down and live with the
lights.

The alternator went out on it a while back, and the replacement alternator
only had one pulley. The old one was designed for a double pulley with
matching belts. I have wondered if that might not be some of its problem
with the lights going dim. What do you think?



----- Original Message -----
From: "OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell" oaielectronics.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 10:13 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: 71 F250 Camper Special.


> >
> . Last night on the
> > way home from work, the lights went NUTS. It looked like I was flashing
> > Morris code or something. The lights inside and out kept going on and
> off.
> > It hasn't ever done that before.
> >
>
>
> You may want to look into replacing the voltage regulator. I had mine
loose
> one headlight than the other, then all of the lights would get dim. I
> changed out the voltage regulator and it fixed the problem.
> Paul Rozell
> 65 F100 460 C6
> 96 F150 SC 5.0
>
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Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 17:36:25 -0500
From: Ron Martens flash.net>
Subject: Re: 71 F250 Camper Special.

Sometimes the headlight switch can cause this, Good Luck

Laura Spencer wrote:

> We bought a 71 F250 Camper Special about 3 years ago. The engine was shot
> in it, a 360, but the body was in great shape. Needed painted, but no body
> work was needed.
>
> We got the engine rebuilt about a year and a half ago and its been running
> like a champ ever since....at least until last night. Last night on the
> way home from work, the lights went NUTS. It looked like I was flashing
> Morris code or something. The lights inside and out kept going on and off.
> It hasn't ever done that before.
>
> The wiring on this old truck was a nightmare when we got it. Still is in
> fact.....The old boy that had it before us...well lets just say this old
> truck hadn't been off the farm in a LONG time. It looked like when we got
> it that when ever something broke on it, he took what ever was handy and
> jury rigged it up good enough to get by. We like to have never got the tail....


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