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61-79-list Digest Tue, 30 May 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 113

In This Issue:
302 won't start
Re: 302 won't start
Where can I find weatherstripping for my 66 F100?
Where can I find weatherstripping for my 66 F100?
Re: E4OD
Re: E4OD
Re: What transmissions would fit in my 66 F100?
Re: E4OD
Re: 302 won't start
Re: 302 won't start
E4OD/AOD
bed floors
Re: bed floors
Re: Seat Belt
Re: Where can I find weatherstripping for my 66 F100?
broncs
Re: Where can I find weatherstripping for my 66
Re: Swapping 77 wiring into a 79 - some question
Dana 24

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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 06:58:37 -0600
From: Harry Vermillion verinet.com>
Subject: 302 won't start

I've got an '70 E-200 with a 2-bbl 302 and a C4 and I can't get it to
fire. After it started running rough go uphill and later when I'd put
it in gear, I got into some much needed maintenance:

Rebuilt the carb, replaced the plugs, plug wires, points, condenser,
distributor cap, coil and the wire from the points to the negative side
of the coil (with the resistor cable). Checked through the wiring and
it checks out.Just won't start, barely catches. I've got a neighbor
who's been wrenching for a living for quite a while, and though he's a
Ford man, he's baffled too. It did start once or twice, but ran REAL
rough. Point gap at .018, plugs at .035. Good compression, but I'm
beginning to wonder if I shouldn't pull the valve covers to be sure the
valves are all operating (split cam?) I've been pulling the plugs
(they're all wet with fuel), to dry them and have checked the gap and
the firing order a couple of times just to be sure. Someone once told me
a long time ago, that at this altitude (near Denver) the #1 plug wire
shouldn't be in the #1 position on the distributor cap, but I don't
remember which way to bump them around (I would assume it would go into
the #8 position for the advance?), but I think it would start as I moved
the distributor if it were just timing. Any suggestions?

--
Harry E. Vermillion
E-mail: north40 verinet.com



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From: prozell oaielectronics.com (OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell)
Subject: Re: 302 won't start
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 08:16:02 -0500

----- Original Message ----- > I've got an '70 E-200 with a 2-bbl 302 and a
C4 and I can't get it to
> fire. >
> Rebuilt the carb, replaced the plugs, plug wires, points, condenser,
> distributor cap, coil and the wire from the points to the negative side
> of the coil (with the resistor cable). Checked through the wiring and
> it checks out.Just won't start, barely catches.


Is The Carb allowing to much fuel to enter into the combustion chambers and
causing a flooded situation. I had one that wouldn't start or run because
the float wasn't set up properly after my first carb. rebuild.

Paul Rozell
65 F100 460 C6
96 F150 SC 5.0


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From: "Jeffrey L Schulz" bridgetest.com>
Subject: Where can I find weatherstripping for my 66 F100?
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 07:42:16 -0600

Garret,

Even though JCW might have the weatherstripping, use them only as a last
resort for this stuff. The weatherstripping I got from them for my 69 all
started falling apart within a year. I ended up getting new ones from
someone like Carpenter, and they are much better....

Colorado Jeff (CJ)


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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 09:51:34 -0400
Subject: Where can I find weatherstripping for my 66 F100?
From: Ron Miller shentel.net>

Try Auto Krafters at 800-228-7346 or www.auto krafters. com Thanks
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> From: "Garrett Nelson" writeme.com>
> Subject: Where can I find weatherstripping for my 66 F100?
> Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 21:25:30 -0500
>
>
> I have a 1966 F100 and I need new weather-stripping for the doors and windows.
> The people at the parts stores laugh at me when I ask them about it. Any ideas
> where I can order the stuff?
>
> Thanks
>
> -----Garrett


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From: "wish" ford-trucks.net>
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 13:48:03 GMT
Subject: Re: E4OD



>if this tranny is the one with the internals some what like the C6 i have
>been told they have had ALLOT of troubles with them i know theres a fella
>near me that buys all the C6s valve bodies he can get to rework them to
>install into these to fix what ever it is that happens to them


I don't know about a lot of trouble, but they did undergo several revisions,
and there is a series of things that should be upgraded should you decide to
run more power through them. They can't be all bad since the Lightning guys
seem to be able to make them last, mostly with help from Level10 and a couple
other places. The 95+ trannies are supposed to have all the updates on them
already, so if you get one that age or newer you should be fine for a bit of
hp. Then you'll start needing an additional cooler and stuff like that, which
is always a good idea when towing and such anyway ...


Just my $.02
wish

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From: "wish" ford-trucks.net>
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 13:48:58 GMT
Subject: Re: E4OD

>I guess I have to find something 1989 up that came with
>a 460. That ought to be easy! I wonder if anyone sells
>rebuilt units? I ASSUME that the 4.6 and 5.4 bellhousings
>are the same as the 5.0 351w 302 etc.
>

hahahahahahahahaaha ... if that were the case I wouldn't be fighting a grinding
T45, I'd have a tremec or a t5 in there already ... they are a different bellhousing.


Just my $.02
wish

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From: "wish" ford-trucks.net>
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 13:50:22 GMT
Subject: Re: What transmissions would fit in my 66 F100?



>
>My 1966 F100 has a 390 and a 4 speed manual transmission (1st is unsynchronized
granny low). Are there any newer 5 speeds that would bolt on?
>
>

There are rumors of a really heavy duty tranny that will bolt on, but there
is nothing that is a direct swap. Since you've already got a manual, you might
check with Lakewood and see what their bellhousing will allow to bolt up ...
on the auto side I'm out of luck, but with a manual I would definitely look
into it...

Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 10:58:45 -0400
From: James Oxley thecore.com>
Subject: Re: E4OD



wish wrote:
>
> >if this tranny is the one with the internals some what like the C6 i have
> >been told they have had ALLOT of troubles with them i know theres a fella
> >near me that buys all the C6s valve bodies he can get to rework them to
> >install into these to fix what ever it is that happens to them
>

How can a C-6 valve body control OD? or does it just eliminate it and
if that is the case, why not just geta C-6? Not sure if I posted this or
not, but I recently heard Art Carr makes a full manual valve body for
the E4OD that eliminates all the electronics. May be an OD option for
some big block guys if you don't mind clutchless shifting. It's about
$400 from what I hear.

OX

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From: "G & J Boling" alltel.net>
Subject: Re: 302 won't start
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 12:29:38 -0400





> ----- Original Message ----- > I've got an '70 E-200 with a 2-bbl 302 and
a
> C4 and I can't get it to
> > fire. >
> > Rebuilt the carb, replaced the plugs, plug wires, points, condenser,
> > distributor cap, coil and the wire from the points to the negative side
> > of the coil (with the resistor cable). Checked through the wiring and
> > it checks out.Just won't start, barely catches.
>
>
=========================================================
if its got the electronic module check that if not check to see if its
jumped time
mine was the same way a year ago had drove it home with no problems went to
start it the next day she wouldnt fire enough to run the timing chain had
jumped and broken the teeth
gordon


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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 11:46:26 -0500
From: Craig Cantrell kscable.com>
Subject: Re: 302 won't start

My guess is your problem lies in the wire from the distributor to the coil.
Are you saying you put a resistor wire in there? Should be straight from the
points to the coil negative side (no resistance wire) and insulated along
with the points in the distributor housing from where it passes thru the
housing. If a resistor wire is used, it should be between the ignition power
and the + side of the coil with a wire around for +12V in the start
position. It is also better to set your timing while cranking it and use a
dwell meter. It is a lot more accurate. No. 1 can be anywhere you want
(including #1 on the cap) as long as #1 cylinder is up and ready to fire in
that position and the firing order and rotation is correct. Good luck Harry.

Harry Vermillion wrote:

> I've got an '70 E-200 with a 2-bbl 302 and a C4 and I can't get it to
> fire. After it started running rough go uphill and later when I'd put
> it in gear, I got into some much needed maintenance:
>

--
Craig
--
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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 10:19:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: "J. Allison" yahoo.com>
Subject: E4OD/AOD

If I am not mistaken the E4OD trannies had some of
the same troubles as the AOD's. There are fixes for
both to make them bulletproof and some of the fixes
involve modifying the valve bodies or replacing them
altogether. IIRC the AOD is common for burning up due
to a lack of fluid flow throughout the case. Most guys
open up the oiling passages and/or orfices like the
factory should have to solve this problem and never
have trouble again. In fact, this months current issue
of 'Super Ford' mag has an article on a company that
rebuilds the AOD. While they don't go into great
detail
they do cover some common prob's and the fixes they
perform. They also warranty one of their builds to
over 1200 hp. Some guys I know would LOL at that hp
rating in an AOD but obviously LenTech knows what they
are doing if they are successful. The mag also has an
article on an awesome looking Mustang prototype called
the FR 500. Apparently Ford built 3 of these rockets
and are seriously considering putting a version on the
street to compete w/the vette. It would be cool if you
could afford its potential price tag :( Lastly, I
spotted an ad for truck parts including dash covers.
Check out www.coverlaymfg.com They produce the
covers and door panels. I've never done business with
them personally but may contact them about the dash
covers as mine is chewed up. Enjoy the short work
week!
J. Allison

> From: "G & J Boling" alltel.net>
> Subject: Re: E4OD

> If this tranny is the one with the internals some
what like the C6, I have been told they have had ALLOT
of troubles with them. I know there's a fella near me
that buys all the C6 valve bodies he can get to rework
them to install into these to fix what ever it is that
happens to them. gordon



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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 10:28:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: "D. DiMartino" yahoo.com>
Subject: bed floors

hello all,

back on the list after a 2 months away. spent some time in
europe, saw some bullfights and had a great vacation.

i've been looking for replacement metal for my 68 style side
bed. j.c. whitless used to carry all this stuff but it isn't in
thier catalogs anymore (i requested the trucks parts catalog,
don't have a general parts catalog). anyway i need to replace
the roll pan section at the end of the bed and a small 18"
section of corrigated metal that runs across the entire width at
the aft part too.

also, has anyone had to fix a bed that was speading, i.e.
falling outward from lack of support? mine had no tailgate and
was missing all the above mentioned metal and has spread. a
local body guy wouldn't give me an estimate to weld the metal
back in it until he saw all the replacement metal.

i'll do some more searching on the web for the metal, but some
companies don't list everything for sale on the net...






=====
Daniel DiMartino
yahoo.com>
1968 F-250 soon to be a 4x4

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From: "G & J Boling" alltel.net>
Subject: Re: bed floors
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 16:05:26 -0400

LMC and MILL SUPPLY has the parts your looking for and maybe MACS
GORDON



=======================================================
> hello all,
>
> back on the list after a 2 months away. spent some time in
> europe, saw some bullfights and had a great vacation.
>
> i've been looking for replacement metal for my 68 style side
> bed. j.c. whitless used to carry all this stuff but it isn't in
> thier catalogs anymore (i requested the trucks parts catalog,
> don't have a general parts catalog). anyway i need to replace
> the roll pan section at the end of the bed and a small 18"
> section of corrigated metal that runs across the entire width at
> the aft part too.
>
> also, has anyone had to fix a bed that was speading, i.e.
> falling outward from lack of support? mine had no tailgate and
> was missing all the above mentioned metal and has spread. a
> local body guy wouldn't give me an estimate to weld the metal
> back in it until he saw all the replacement metal.
>
> i'll do some more searching on the web for the metal, but some
> companies don't list everything for sale on the net...
>
>
>
>
>
>
> =====
> Daniel DiMartino
> yahoo.com>
> 1968 F-250 soon to be a 4x4
>
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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 13:37:44 -0700
From: Marv & Marge lafn.org>
Subject: Re: Seat Belt

Tim Neasham wrote:
I'm wanting to replace the standard lap belts in my '69 with a lap/shoulder belt.
Has anyone out there done this or something similar?

Tim, in addition to the mechanicals, I believe you may also encounter some wiring
to be added, including a door switch. I don't know about the '95's, but my '89 has
a second door switch in each door to activate the electric portion of the belt
retractor mechanisms.

-Marv-

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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 17:32:02 -0400
From: "Don Haring, Jr." fedora.net>
Subject: Re: Where can I find weatherstripping for my 66 F100?

Garrett Nelson writeme.com> said:
>I have a 1966 F100 and I need new weather-stripping for the doors
>and windows. The people at the parts stores laugh at me when I ask
>them about it. Any ideas where I can order the stuff?

I think Dennis Carpenter makes most of the pieces you would get through
other vendors. Expensive, but quality. If you are on a tight budget and not
restoring the truck, you might consider snipping a piece of the old strip
to check the cross-sectional profile. You might be able to match this
against something similar at your parts store. I once ran into a guy with a
wild modified early Econoline. I asked him where he got the
weatherstripping. He said it was from Pep Boys and he only paid about $15
for each door, versus $80. Give it a try.

-don

--
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66 Falcon Deluxe Club Wagon (daily driver)
61 Falcon Futura | Vespa and Lambretta scooters



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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 20:43:35 -0400
From: James Oxley thecore.com>
Subject: broncs

Thought you guys/gals would appreciate this.

Finally got my trail bronc (green) out of the garage, only to have the
2 bbl projection computer bite the dust (near as I can tell). So I'm
pulling
out of my driveway this morning and I thought this view was kinda
cool.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thecore.com/~luxjo/misc/broncs2.jpg

side view

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OX

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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 23:08:19 -0400
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Where can I find weatherstripping for my 66

Try:

Socal Pickups: www.socalpickups.com
Mac's Antique Autoparts: www.macsautoparts.com
Dennis Carpenter Reproductions: www.dennis-carpenter.com
John's F-Fun Hundreds: www.f100.com






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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 16:47:14 -0400
From: David Wadson air.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Swapping 77 wiring into a 79 - some question

>If you do decide to grab the cruise make sure you get the brake power
>booster and the brake pedal assembly. They are required to interface with
>the brake activated switch. As I remember the list you need is: vacuum
>resivoir, vacuum check valve, throttle servo, speedometer cable, control
>module and wiring harness. If you have any questions let me know.

I had grabbed the throttle servo, module, harness and the switch from the
brake pedal but forgot the vacuum valve. Luckily that's something that I
doubt anyone will be grabbing anytime soon. I wasn't sure if I needed the
whole brake booster but I guess I do...

Kind of neat to have an accessorized truck with ashtray and glovebox lights!


David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca
"PS1" - 79 F100 ...ground into a million pieces.
"PS2" - 78 F100 ...currently alive and kicking.
"PS3" - 79 F150 4x4 ...now what have I gotten myself into...
Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada



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