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61-79-list Digest Fri, 26 May 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 110

In This Issue:
Tranny Advice
E40D
Re: Tranny Advice
Subject: Re: new inspection rules
Re: Supernationals request...
Re: Supernationals request...
Re: Tranny Advice
Re: E40D
Re: Tranny Advice
Swapping 77 wiring into a 79 - some questions
Re: Swapping 77 wiring into a 79 - some questions
Re: E40D
Re: Cracked Bellhousing
Re: Swapping 77 wiring into a 79 - some questions
Re: Tranny Advice
Re: Swapping 77 wiring into a 79 - some questions
Re: E40D

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From: "Rick Burdt" adelphia.net>
Subject: Tranny Advice
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:14:37 -0400


Hi,

I'm new to this group and new to owning an old Ford. I am in the process of buying (I will own it on Wednesday!) a 1979 F150 4X4 with a 351 Cleveland but without the two speed transfer case. I will probably look into changing out the transfer case. This is a four speed transmission. What would be recommended in a transfer case and what would be considered a fair price to pay for one? Also what other components would I need (i.e.: driveshafts etc)?

Thanks for the help,

Rick Burdt
'79 F150 351 Cleveland
burdt adelphia.net


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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:20:08 -0400
From: bill poudrier ma.ultranet.com>
Subject: E40D

Hi Truckers,

Can Anyone tell me what years did they make the
E40D Transmission?

Thanks,

Bill



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From: "Bill Beyer" pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: Tranny Advice
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:29:14 -0700

Rick,

Are you sure this is a 351 Cleveland? If so it isn't original since Ford
trucks never came stock with Clevelands, only 351Ws and 351Ms. Not a big
deal but if you're thinking of swapping trannies you need to figure out
which one it is since they have 2 different bellhousing bolt patterns. If
you're looking for a better xfer case then I'd look at a NP205. They are
relatively cheap at the junkyard since they rarely ever break...;-) I don't
know whether the case you have is divorced or married but you need to
determine that before you decide on a course of action...

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Burdt adelphia.net>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 3:14 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Tranny Advice


>
> Hi,
>
> I'm new to this group and new to owning an old Ford. I am in the process
of buying (I will own it on Wednesday!) a 1979 F150 4X4 with a 351 Cleveland
but without the two speed transfer case. I will probably look into changing
out the transfer case. This is a four speed transmission. What would be
recommended in a transfer case and what would be considered a fair price to
pay for one? Also what other components would I need (i.e.: driveshafts
etc)?




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From: "Curtis Crawford" pld.com>
Subject: Subject: Re: new inspection rules
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 22:06:26 -0500


I'm sorry, but I can't help but laugh , I live in south west Kansas where the wind blows to much to keep any smog around (but it keeps the dust in the air). Most people take off cats' on new vehicles and some run strait headers (if not for noise, everyone would). It is just sad that some places have these tests, mine would fail.
curt

78 lariat w/460


Original

From: "Matt Schu" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: new inspection rules
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 08:16:41 AKDT

John,

Good Post!! I too have been seeing this lately. Here in Anchorage, Alaska
the emissions requirements are even more strict than California. Not only
do they check to make sure that your vehicle passes tail pipe emissions
tests, they also record all of the part/casting numbers so that they can
confirm that your vehicle is 100% stock. Even some of the things that
California allows, such as headers on a non-catalytic converter truck, it is
illegal here.

I have no problem getting a tail pipe test for the benefit of clean air, but
the part number politics plain suck.

I have 2 carbs for my truck. One is a old stock 660cfm holley 4160 based
carb, and the other one is a new 660cfm holley 4160 based carb. They both
have the same jets and power valves, however the new one has electric choke
and starts much cleaner and easier in the winter time, and is also
noticeably cleaner in the summer time. However I remove it every 2 years to
put the nasty carb back on so that I can pass the part number portion of the
test.

Anyway, thanks for letting me vent... :)

schu


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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 22:28:02 -0500
From: Stu Varner ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Supernationals request...

Joe,

Here are a few pics. Sorry I did not get too many close up shots. I was
in la-la land all weekend.
I will send a few more in another email.

The purple truck won Truckers choice. The second most important award at
PF! It should have been the Truck of the year.
It is a 53 Mercury and it was absolutley the finest truck there.

The other truck is a 55 Merc. I am really into th Mercury trucks as you
can tell. There were very few there this year.

The other pictures I send will be overhead pics from the 4th floor of the
hotel.
The tan 71 is my truck and the red 61 Prostreet Unibody next to it on the
right is my buddies truck who lives in town near me. We both got trophies
for Best in Class. I was very honored. His 63 Unibody will be in
October/November Classic Trucks and Trucking magazine. They stopped by to
do a photo shoot and Wendell was tickled to death.
Enjoy. Look for more pics in another email.

Stu

At 12:51 AM 5/23/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Hello everyone! As I'm reading my email with all of these posts about
F-100 Supernationals, I'm wishing I could have gone and seen some of those
great Ford trucks...and then it hits me: someone has had to have taken a
camera and have a scanner to scan with. So, if I may make a humble
request, could y'all scan a few cool pics and send a few my way? I just
got my certification to teach Motorcycle Safety Foundation courses, and I
taught at a community college in Roanoke, VA this past weekend. If y'all
could send the pics to hartwell vt.edu (yep, that's virginia tech), I'd
certainly appreciate it! Thanks again, and keep truckin!
>
>Joe Hartwell
>1988 Ford Ranger
>1968 Ford F-100
>1997 Harley-Davidson 883 Sportster
>
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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 22:36:16 -0500
From: Stu Varner ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Supernationals request...

OOPS!!!!!! meant to send it to Joe's private email and made a boo boo.
Sorry guys.

Stu
Nuke GM!

At 10:28 PM 5/26/00 -0500, you wrote:
>Joe,
>
>Here are a few pics. Sorry I did not get too many close up shots. I was
>in la-la land all weekend.
>I will send a few more in another email.
>
snip
>Stu
>
>At 12:51 AM 5/23/00 -0400, you wrote:
>>Hello everyone! As I'm reading my email with all of these posts about
>F-100 Supernationals, I'm wishing I could have gone and seen some of those
>great Ford trucks...and then it hits me: someone has had to have taken a
>camera and have a scanner to scan with. So, if I may make a humble
>request, could y'all scan a few cool pics and send a few my way? I just
>got my certification to teach Motorcycle Safety Foundation courses, and I
>taught at a community college in Roanoke, VA this past weekend. If y'all
>could send the pics to hartwell vt.edu (yep, that's virginia tech), I'd
>certainly appreciate it! Thanks again, and keep truckin!
>>
>>Joe Hartwell
>>1988 Ford Ranger
>>1968 Ford F-100
>>1997 Harley-Davidson 883 Sportster
>>
>>
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From: "Rick Burdt" adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Tranny Advice
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 23:46:58 -0400

Thanks for the advice Bill. This is in fact a Cleveland engine and it is
not stock. It's also been recently rebuilt which I'm certainly not
complaining about. Sorry to be a newbie but what do you mean by divorced or
married?

Thanks again,

Rick


----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Beyer pacifier.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 9:29 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Tranny Advice


> Rick,
>
> Are you sure this is a 351 Cleveland? If so it isn't original since Ford
> trucks never came stock with Clevelands, only 351Ws and 351Ms. Not a big
> deal but if you're thinking of swapping trannies you need to figure out
> which one it is since they have 2 different bellhousing bolt patterns. If
> you're looking for a better xfer case then I'd look at a NP205. They are
> relatively cheap at the junkyard since they rarely ever break...;-) I
don't
> know whether the case you have is divorced or married but you need to
> determine that before you decide on a course of action...
>
> "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rick Burdt adelphia.net>
> To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 3:14 PM
> Subject: [61-79-list] Tranny Advice
>
>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm new to this group and new to owning an old Ford. I am in the
process
> of buying (I will own it on Wednesday!) a 1979 F150 4X4 with a 351
Cleveland
> but without the two speed transfer case. I will probably look into
changing
> out the transfer case. This is a four speed transmission. What would be
> recommended in a transfer case and what would be considered a fair price
to
> pay for one? Also what other components would I need (i.e.: driveshafts
> etc)?
>
>
>
> ==========================================================
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> the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the
> message.


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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: E40D
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 00:28:12 -0400

Not sure what yrs. they made them but my '94 has one in it.
-----Original Message-----
From: bill poudrier ma.ultranet.com>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Friday, May 26, 2000 6:27 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] E40D


>Hi Truckers,
>
> Can Anyone tell me what years did they make the
>E40D Transmission?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
>
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From: "Erik Marquez" alaska.com>
Subject: Re: Tranny Advice
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 20:10:59 -0800

married meaning it is attached to the transmission, divorced meaning
separated from the Trans, will have a short drive shaft connecting it to the
Trans and rear end. This set up was used in some of the older trucks, not
sure when it started or finished, but it is very easy to spot.

Erik Marquez
bronco78 alaska.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.home.gci.net/~bronco78
Home of the BB decal
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Burdt adelphia.net>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Friday, May 26, 2000 7:47 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Tranny Advice


>Thanks for the advice Bill. This is in fact a Cleveland engine and it is
>not stock. It's also been recently rebuilt which I'm certainly not
>complaining about. Sorry to be a newbie but what do you mean by divorced
or
>married?
>
>Thanks again,
>
>Rick
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Bill Beyer pacifier.com>
>To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
>Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 9:29 PM
>Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Tranny Advice
>
>
>> Rick,
>>
>> Are you sure this is a 351 Cleveland? If so it isn't original since Ford
>> trucks never came stock with Clevelands, only 351Ws and 351Ms. Not a big
>> deal but if you're thinking of swapping trannies you need to figure out
>> which one it is since they have 2 different bellhousing bolt patterns. If
>> you're looking for a better xfer case then I'd look at a NP205. They are
>> relatively cheap at the junkyard since they rarely ever break...;-) I
>don't
>> know whether the case you have is divorced or married but you need to
>> determine that before you decide on a course of action...
>>
>> "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Rick Burdt adelphia.net>
>> To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 3:14 PM
>> Subject: [61-79-list] Tranny Advice
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I'm new to this group and new to owning an old Ford. I am in the
>process
>> of buying (I will own it on Wednesday!) a 1979 F150 4X4 with a 351
>Cleveland
>> but without the two speed transfer case. I will probably look into
>changing
>> out the transfer case. This is a four speed transmission. What would be
>> recommended in a transfer case and what would be considered a fair price
>to
>> pay for one? Also what other components would I need (i.e.: driveshafts
>> etc)?
>>
>>
>>
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Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 08:59:51 -0400
From: David Wadson air.on.ca>
Subject: Swapping 77 wiring into a 79 - some questions

Well I'm slowly starting to make some progress towards getting my "new" 79
F150 4x4 safetied. The wiring in the truck was an absolute mess - spliced
and cut all over the place. An ignition kill switch was installed on the
dash and wired straight across the engine (not around, not along the
firewall - straight over the engine) all the way to the solenoid by the
battery?! I can't figure out why the heck the previous owner would do it so
sloppily instead of splicing it in at the ignition switch or at least
routing the wire better. The varios harness were mangled all over the truck
Making getting the horn and lights working a real chore.

We lucked out and found a new77 to the scrapyard that had a mint condition
wiring harness and a factory radio. Rather than trying to fix the old
harness, we yanked the 77 and installed it into my 79. Fairly straight
forward - the main differences are some of the plugs on the drivers side in
the engine compartment where it mates up to the engine harness and the
harness to the rear lights. But, if you grab all the harnesses (which I
did), everything hooks up fine. A few differences:
-voltage regulator on to 77 mounts to the rad support, not the fender
-blower motor has a round plug on the 77, square blade-type on the 79
-neutral safety switch - plug is on the passenger side of the main harness
of the 79, can't find it on the 77 - help!
-the 77's have a horn relay while the 79's don't seem to. I had to go back
to the junkyard for the relay and found that the 77 F250's tend to have
dual horns. I lucked out and found one with both the Hi and Lo tone horns,
and the proper wiring - put it into my truck and boy is the dual setup loud!

I've run into a couple snags - not sure where the neutral safety switch is
supposed to get wired into the 79 harness. I'm suspecting they were mounted
on or in the steering column but I'm not 100% sure. My horn still doesn't
work from the steering wheel. I suspect that is related to the missing gear
indicator on the column. I know you can remove the turn signal switch, but
is it possible to get in there and replace the gear indicator? The
distributor plug shattered while we were trying to disconnect it. We're
either going to swap the connector (if we can get the wiring out) or swap
the distributor (once I found out if I need a distributor from a 351M or
can take it from another V8).

All told, replacing the whole harness is much more fun than trying to find
the shorts and broken wires in a hacked up harness! Even the tail light
harnesss was untouched on that 77. So nice when all you have to worry about
is making sure you have a good ground!


David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca
"PS1" - 79 F100 ...ground into a million pieces.
"PS2" - 78 F100 ...currently alive and kicking.
"PS3" - 79 F150 4x4 ...now what have I gotten myself into.
Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada



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From: "mike schuh" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Swapping 77 wiring into a 79 - some questions
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 08:23:25 CDT

The plug for the neutral safety switch should be in the same place.If the
truck came with a manual tranny there is a connector that makes a little U
to complete the circuit.You just have to unplug it and plug yours in.
________________________________________________________________________


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Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 10:26:12 -0400
From: bill poudrier ma.ultranet.com>
Subject: Re: E40D

If you don't mine me asking, What ratio rear do you run
and how big is the motor. I plan to use a mildly
warmed up 400 -> 408 and a 260H comp cams with 4V and
headers. I still want good mileage though 8*)

At 12:28 AM 5/27/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Not sure what yrs. they made them but my '94 has one in it.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bill poudrier ma.ultranet.com>
>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
>Date: Friday, May 26, 2000 6:27 PM
>Subject: [61-79-list] E40D
>
>
>>Hi Truckers,
>>
>> Can Anyone tell me what years did they make the
>>E40D Transmission?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
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Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 07:39:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: "J. Allison" yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Cracked Bellhousing

>From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
>Subject: bell housing needed

> i'm looking for a bellhousing for a 87-89 f250 with
>a 460, they are aluminum and mine is cracked.
>thanks, jeff grant
-snip-
>how bad is it cracked? IF thats all it is get a drill
>bit that will cover the crack completely then drill
>hole where it begins and ends then stick a rubber
>plug in the holes for undercoating and the crack will
>go no further this was shown to me by a OLD machinist
> gordon

This machinist says to just weld it back up (and
remachine if needed) and quit dinking around in the
first place :) Of course I realize that this may not
be possible due to a lack of tools and/or know how.
Sounds then like you have an excuse to score some new
stuff and spend more time in the garage! Woo-HOO!!!
J. Allison

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From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 10:42:15 EDT
Subject: Re: Swapping 77 wiring into a 79 - some questions

In a message dated 5/27/2000 9:00:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
wadsond air.on.ca writes:

<<
I've run into a couple snags - not sure where the neutral safety switch is
supposed to get wired into the 79 harness. I'm suspecting they were mounted
on or in the steering column but I'm not 100% sure. >>

On my '79 Bronco w C6 - The Safety Switch is actually mounted on the tranny
at the sift input lever. The wireruns over teh op of the tranny to the pass
side and then connects into the haness near the back of the pass side
cyliinder head.

Hope that helps some.

George

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From: "Bill Beyer" pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: Tranny Advice
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 10:27:43 -0700

Well if it's a Cleveland then it will have the same tranny bellhousing bolt
pattern as a 302/351W engine. What you need to do is look underneath the
truck at the rear of the transmission. If it has a very short driveshaft
which goes to a big gearbox then it is a divorced style xfer case. If it has
a large gearbox at the end of the tranny and the driveshaft goes all the way
back to the rear differential then it is married. You need to have this info
available when you look for a new 2 speed xfer case. The NP205 came in both
styles and I would still recommend you call around to your local salvage
yards and see what they can do for you.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Burdt adelphia.net>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 8:46 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Tranny Advice


> Thanks for the advice Bill. This is in fact a Cleveland engine and it is
> not stock. It's also been recently rebuilt which I'm certainly not
> complaining about. Sorry to be a newbie but what do you mean by divorced
or
> married?




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Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 15:07:43 -0400
From: David Wadson air.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Swapping 77 wiring into a 79 - some questions

GMontgo930 aol.com writes:
>On my '79 Bronco w C6 - The Safety Switch is actually mounted on the tranny
>at the sift input lever. The wireruns over teh op of the tranny to the pass
>side and then connects into the haness near the back of the pass side
>cyliinder head.
>
>Hope that helps some.
>
>George

Mike Shuh writes:
>The plug for the neutral safety switch should be in the same place.If the
>truck came with a manual tranny there is a connector that makes a little U
>to complete the circuit.You just have to unplug it and plug yours in.


The 79 truck has a C6 in it with the square connector leading up from the
switch that is on the shift lever on the transmission. However, the 77
wiring harness does not have the corresponding connector on the main
harness by the back of the passenger side cylinder head. So it must be
wired someplace else.

I can't remember if the donor truck had a manual or automatic...pretty sure
it was a manual. In the span of a week the truck went from being complete
and in running order (we couldn't believe the condition it got scrapped in)
to having a lot of parts removed: windshield, wiring, outer fenders,
bumper, grill, front suspension and axles, and the ENTIRE interior except
the steering wheel and seatbelts! People must have been like hyenas on a
freshly killed gazelle...myself included. :-)


David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca
"PS1" - 79 F100 ...ground into a million pieces.
"PS2" - 78 F100 ...currently alive and kicking.
"PS3" - 79 F150 4x4 ...now what have I gotten myself into...
Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada

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