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61-79-list Digest Thu, 25 May 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 109

In This Issue:
Re: new inspection rules
Re: new inspection rules
Trip to Texas and other rants
Re: new inspection rules
Re: new inspection rules
Re: New Inspection Rules (Gascaps)
Re: new inspection rules
bell housing needed
Re: bell housing needed
Re: new inspection rules
Re: New Inspection Rules (Gascaps)
Re: bell housing needed
Re: new inspection rules
Re: new inspection rules
Re: VanIsCursed Part II
Re: bell housing needed

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From: "Southerland, Rich" alldata.com>
Subject: Re: new inspection rules
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:50:10 -0700

I don't know about William, but I was offered the choice of buying either a
$12 non-locking or a $23 locking cap to get my van to pass. I took the
cheaper option and once home, put the locking cap back on and the new
non-locker went int a box for the next test time...

-----Original Message-----
From: Kiernan, Denny [mailto:dennyk wenet.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 11:46 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: new inspection rules


I dont understand something here:

Southerland, Rich wrote:
>
> CA has been testing gas caps for years. . . . I have a new "test only"
cap now as well...

And William A Whited said:

> I just bought two for my truck for
> inspection purposes and keep my locking ones on there
> the rest of the time.

Are you all saying that the new gas caps dont have locks on them?

Speaking of clean-air laws, did you all hear that California now has a
law against cigar smoking on boats within three miles of the coast? They
figure that the smoke drifts in to shore. and there may be young
children playing on the beach.

I'm just kidding.
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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:23:11 -0500
Subject: Re: new inspection rules
From: John LaGrone ford-trucks.com>

on 5/25/2000 1:46 PM, Kiernan, Denny at dennyk wenet.net wrote:

> Are you all saying that the new gas caps dont have locks on them?

My new gas cap has no lock, but the lock isn't the issue. The issue is
whether or not it leaks vapors into the atmosphere. The non-locking cap was
what the guy had for sale. I insist on having locking gas caps. I am not
concerned with people stealing gasoline, but with people putting things in
the gas tank like sand or sugar or water.

-- John
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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:29:53 -0400
From: David Henderson VT.Edu>
Subject: Trip to Texas and other rants


I've been back for a couple of days, now, so I thought I would inform
the list of how the trip went.

With three people in the cab of Brownie (single cab, 4 speed manual,
4x4, 1979 F-250 with a fairly fresh 300 I6) we pulled an overloaded
U-haul 6'x12' trailer approximately 1400 miles from Christiansburg, VA
to Austin, TX. The truck did great and was even able to pull all of the
mountains doing at least 55 mph. The only problem (other than poor
mileage ;^) ) was that the trailer had a bent axle and we could not go
over 60 mph. Talk about a long trip!!

Coming back, I pulled a loaded (but not overloaded) U-haul 5'x10'
trailer. This trailer was fine, and we averaged 70-75 mph. Again, the
truck did great (but got even poorer mileage, imagine that).

I was really impressed with the power my 300 I6 had. It did not have
the raw power my '85 460 had were I could accelerate up hills and
mountains pulling a load, but it had just as much power off the line.
Really the only noticeable difference in power was going up long hills.

Dale:

While the offer on the '79 sounds great. I do not think SWMBO will let
me pull it back home behind her car ;^)

John and Darrell:

Horses are just a "vet bill waiting to happen". ;^) The current state
of environmental laws (especially in the Eastern US) is getting worse.
Some parts of Virginia and Maryland dictate how many animal units one
can physically place per acre. These laws are meant to reduce the level
of effluent (solid and liquid waste) that can leach into surface and
underground waterways. These laws, more so than "unfair" competition,
will be the downfall of the small family farmer as they favor the large
corporate farms who have the resources to deal with animal waste.

Dave H

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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:45:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Scott Hall garnet.acns.fsu.edu>
Subject: Re: new inspection rules

right freakin' on, man.

On Thu, 25 May 2000, John LaGrone wrote:

> In my opinion this is just one more little rule designed to squeeze out
> older vehicles. Folks, the governments are after our guns and our old trucks
> and cars. It's conform or die. I have always been a patriotic, honest
> citizen who votes every time there is an election on anything. I suspect I
> am going to die a criminal unless I die soon. I am not giving up my guns; I
> am not giving up my old Ford truck. My wife will not give up her Towncar.
>
> Thanks for letting me vent. Though you may not all agree with me, I know you
> understand how I feel.


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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:43:46 -0700
From: William A Whited ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: new inspection rules

Yes the new ones are not the locking kind.

--
William A Whited
74 F100 RANGER SUPERCAB 390
77 F150 CUSTOM 460
EL Paso, TX
SEMPER FI



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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:21:40 -0500
Subject: Re: New Inspection Rules (Gascaps)
From: Brett L Habben juno.com>

John,
Once your truck is over 24 years old no more gas cap testing, so there's
light at the end of the tunnel. They had a blurb on Austin TV about
this when it was passed and it had scam ($$) written all over
it. The inspector even had the guts to say to the camera "I'm stocking
up on gas caps....." Here's a link detailing it.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/vi/vie/publicinfo.htm#GasCap
Selected Quotes:
>Gas Cap Testing Notice
> Vehicle Inspection Station Owner/Manager
> In conjunction with the fee increase passed by the 76th Texas
> Legislature (Senate Bill 370), all stations will be required to
inspect
> vehicles for the presence of gas caps and for gas cap leaks.
This test
> will be mandatory on January 1, 2000. The presence of a gas cap
and
> gas cap leak test must be conducted on all gasoline-powered
vehicles
> two (2) through 24 years old.
>
>Emissions FAQ's: Which vehicles are required to get an emissions test?
> Vehicles that are:
> 1.capable of being powered by gasoline;
> 2.from 2 years old to and including 24
years old; and
> 3.that are registered in and primarily
operated in Dallas, Tarrant, Harris &
> El Paso counties.
> Are there any vehicles that are exempt from emissions testing?
> motorcycles
> vehicles registered as antique
vehicles
> vehicles registered as circus vehicles

> vehicles required to display a
slow-moving vehicle emblem
>
Allright. How do we get the 'circus-vehicle' designation?
Brett
Super75ClownCab
>
>Greetings,
>I just had my wife's 88 Towncar go through the annual Texas state
inspection
>about an hour ago. The Towncar flunked the gas cap
>test. I plunked down another $12 for a new gas cap and I'm good to go,
but I
>would bet the inspection fee that my truck's gas caps won't pass either.
I
>have until August to get them squared away. The inspector said he would
>check them before hand for a dollar a cap. Oh boy.
>-- John
>jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
>1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
>http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
>Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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From: "Rick Alexander" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: new inspection rules
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 21:38:14 PDT

Hey don't feel like a lone stranger... I own a '67 F100, and several guns,
and I'll be damned if I let someone take them from me...
Rick...
'67 F100 352 V-8


>From: Scott Hall garnet.acns.fsu.edu>
>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>To: -FTE 61-79 list <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
>Subject: [61-79-list] Re: new inspection rules
>Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:45:01 -0400 (EDT)
>
>right freakin' on, man.
>
>On Thu, 25 May 2000, John LaGrone wrote:
>
> > In my opinion this is just one more little rule designed to squeeze out
> > older vehicles. Folks, the governments are after our guns and our old
>trucks
> > and cars. It's conform or die. I have always been a patriotic, honest
> > citizen who votes every time there is an election on anything. I suspect
>I
> > am going to die a criminal unless I die soon. I am not giving up my
>guns; I
> > am not giving up my old Ford truck. My wife will not give up her
>Towncar.
> >
> > Thanks for letting me vent. Though you may not all agree with me, I know
>you
> > understand how I feel.
>
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From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 00:55:20 EDT
Subject: bell housing needed

i'm looking for a bellhousing for a 87-89 f250 with a 460, they are aluminum
and mine is cracked.

thanks, jeff grant

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From: "G & J Boling" alltel.net>
Subject: Re: bell housing needed
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 03:38:21 -0400


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> i'm looking for a bellhousing for a 87-89 f250 with a 460, they are
aluminum
> and mine is cracked.
>
> thanks, jeff grant
> ==========================================================
how bad is it cracked?
IF thats all it is get a drill bit that will cover the crack completely then
drill hole where it begins and ends then stick a rubber plug in the holes
for undercoating and the crack will go no further
this was shown to me by a OLD machinist
gordon


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From: "Hogan, Tom" kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: new inspection rules
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 05:32:15 -0700




>
> I think we are considered ultra conservatives in this matter as we are
> resisting any change at all. Our old Fords prove that we don't fit the
> mainstream. Unfortunately, not many of our Presidents since
> Tom have had a
> clue about what the republic is all about.
>
> -- John

REPUBLIC. Yes boys and girls we live in a republic. Unfortunately if you
ask most any student today they will say that we live in a democracy and
they don't know the difference between the two. I've heard that the change
occurred because Franklin Roosevelt thought that calling it a republic
sounded too much like Republican so let's call it a democracy and remind the
public to vote for democrats.

Every once in a while Rush will hit it on the head and he did when he said
liberals don't quit. Even when they lose a vote and you think the fight is
over and has been decided, for them it isn't over. They just keep going on
and on.

Since liberals want us all to behave alike and conform to their idea of
proper behavior we must adopt their attitude of the fight is never lost. It
is just continued in the next election year. Get involved and let your
voice be heard. Protect our hobby and the livelyhood of the great people
whom have decided to make a living on supplying us with the parts we need to
keep our beloved trucks on the road, terrorizing the saab driving yuppies
who think OUR vehicles are an eyesore!

Now stepping of soapbox and I don't need asbestos undies cause I AM RIGHT.

Tom H.

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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 07:44:36 -0500
Subject: Re: New Inspection Rules (Gascaps)
From: John LaGrone ford-trucks.com>

on 5/25/2000 11:21 PM, Brett L Habben at bhabben juno.com wrote:

> Allright. How do we get the 'circus-vehicle' designation?
> Brett
> Super75ClownCab

Good question. I need a zoo registration because this place is always a zoo.

1975+24=1999. Shoot, Bret, you're safe. Oops, unless you are in one of those
smoggy counties.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
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Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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From: "wish" ford-trucks.net>
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 12:51:01 GMT
Subject: Re: bell housing needed



>how bad is it cracked?
>IF thats all it is get a drill bit that will cover the crack completely then

>drill hole where it begins and ends then stick a rubber plug in the holes

>for undercoating and the crack will go no further
>this was shown to me by a OLD machinist


This trick has been used on aircraft before too, though they recommend going
an extra 1/4" or so beyond the end of the crack and then drilling the hole ...
the hole will help relieve the stresses in the metal and prevent the cracking
from continuing ... though that doesn't fix the crack it should help stop it
til you find one ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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From: "Matt Schu" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: new inspection rules
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 08:16:41 AKDT

John,

Good Post!! I too have been seeing this lately. Here in Anchorage, Alaska
the emissions requirements are even more strict than California. Not only
do they check to make sure that your vehicle passes tail pipe emissions
tests, they also record all of the part/casting numbers so that they can
confirm that your vehicle is 100% stock. Even some of the things that
California allows, such as headers on a non-catalytic converter truck, it is
illegal here.

I have no problem getting a tail pipe test for the benefit of clean air, but
the part number politics plain suck.

I have 2 carbs for my truck. One is a old stock 660cfm holley 4160 based
carb, and the other one is a new 660cfm holley 4160 based carb. They both
have the same jets and power valves, however the new one has electric choke
and starts much cleaner and easier in the winter time, and is also
noticeably cleaner in the summer time. However I remove it every 2 years to
put the nasty carb back on so that I can pass the part number portion of the
test.

Anyway, thanks for letting me vent... :)

schu


>Greetings,
>
>
>In my opinion this is just one more little rule designed to squeeze out
>older vehicles. Folks, the governments are after our guns and our old
>trucks
>and cars. It's conform or die. I have always been a patriotic, honest
>citizen who votes every time there is an election on anything. I suspect I
>am going to die a criminal unless I die soon. I am not giving up my guns; I
>am not giving up my old Ford truck. My wife will not give up her Towncar.

________________________________________________________________________


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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:41:35 -0500
Subject: Re: new inspection rules
From: John LaGrone ford-trucks.com>

on 5/26/2000 3:16 AM, Matt Schu at odoa4 hotmail.com wrote:

> I have no problem getting a tail pipe test for the benefit of clean air, but
> the part number politics plain suck.

You know, Matt, this is a prime example of a government body out of control.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:42:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: "J. Allison" yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: VanIsCursed Part II

> From: "Don Haring, Jr." fedora.net>
> Subject: My Van is Cursed, Part 2

-snip-
> The van was towed as "abandoned" even though it is
insured, registered and inspected, and has all the
proper stickers visible to prove it. It was towed
because the front was up on stands. Some neighbors
told me today they were around when the tow truck
operator came (I was at work). They told him not to
take it because I was working on it, but he ignored
them.
-snip-
>Cost? $131 down the drain (fine and towing).
-snip-
>It's a great injustice that an average guy like me
who
keeps a vehicle legally up to date in every way can
have it taken without ANY warning.
-snip-
>This is a huge flaw in the system and I'll do what I
can to make it known...

I have 2 words for you to put together. They will say
it all... LAW SUIT! There is no stinking way they
could just come and confiscate your vehicle without
violating your constitutional rights. I don't care
what state you live in. SUE SUE SUE!!! As much as I
hate to say it but that's what I would do. The only
way garbage like this WON'T go on in America is if
guys like us stand up and refuse to be bullied and
pushed around. Unfortunately, the good old days are
gone where you could just pull out your gun and say
"You can take my 'x' and get shot or you can just
leave and NEVER come back..." Now days you'd have the
police beating down the door in a raid for just saying
it. Now you have to go through a 'fubared'up legal
system and hope to win which is bad enough. We will
have to waste tremendous amounts of time and money
fighting this crap but what can you do besides hope
for the next American Revolution??? Down with tyranny!
(Steam has now filled the room...) J. Allison

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From: "G & J Boling" alltel.net>
Subject: Re: bell housing needed
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 17:53:05 -0400


>
> This trick has been used on aircraft before too, though they recommend
going
> an extra 1/4" or so beyond the end of the crack and then drilling the hole
...
> the hole will help relieve the stresses in the metal and prevent the....


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