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61-79-list Digest Wed, 24 May 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 108

In This Issue:
Re: Engine Block Disasters
My Van is Cursed, Part 2
Re: My Van is Cursed, Part 2
Re: A SEVERE OUTRAGE
Re: My Van is Cursed, Part 2
Re: A SEVERE OUTRAGE
Re: Severe Outrage
For Sale:'79 F-150 S/C 4x4 & 460 kit
Want to lower a F-350
Re: Want to lower a F-350
new inspection rules
Re: new inspection rules
Re: new inspection rules
Re: new inspection rules
Re: new inspection rules
Re: new inspection rules
Re: new inspection rules

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From: "wish" ford-trucks.net>
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 17:27:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Engine Block Disasters

>So i just wanted to know has anyone else had a week like mine?
>

Yikes, I think Don's has been pretty harrowing too, but both of you are havin
bad weeks while mine has been pretty good. With only minimal planning I was
able to get all the parts necessary for my brake install on my car together
in less than a day after the parts arrived ... quite a record for me ... I'm
sure the rear brakes won't be as easy, but these went nicely enough to make
me very happy.

I hope your next week is looking better.

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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From: "Pat" aisl.bc.ca>
Subject: My Van is Cursed, Part 2
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 10:45:20 -0700

Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 00:32:21 -0400
From: "Don Haring, Jr." fedora.net>

Maybe I'm missing something in this affair, but it sounds like a
lawyers letter should get your money back plus the money to repair the
damage done to your ride. The clincher is that the driver was advised at the
time of tow NOT to do it. From a legal standpoint, he's toast.
Glad your Ford is back, under budget, and that all is going well. Even
out of bad comes the good folks at Armstrong. Gotta love this list.
Pat
Patsplace
77 F250 4X4
78 F150 W/Overloads
72 Ranger parts truck
79 F250 4X4 (Dream Truck Under Construction)
78 F250 2WD Lariat Donor for the DT.





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From: "G & J Boling" alltel.net>
Subject: Re: My Van is Cursed, Part 2
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 18:16:53 -0400

Anyway, going to the
> media is worth a shot I guess, but don't be surprised if you get some
> responses like, "Good riddance to one more clunker."
>
> -- John
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WELL try contacting the A.C.L.U. then IF they take the case on they WIN over
90% of them
gordon


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From: canzus seanet.com
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 17:41:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: A SEVERE OUTRAGE

At 11:55 PM 23:05:2000 -0400, G & J Boling wrote:
>> Anybody have any experience fighting neighborhood associations?
>> Thanks,
>> Brett
>> Super75cab watching its back......
>> >NOW i know WHY PA. is called the COMMUNIST STATE
>> >GORDON
>> ________________________________________________________________
>a few years ago i had some problems with our local township and sherrif all
>i did was -1- hunt up on the net ALL of the laws in my favor state and
>federal-2-went around in their neighborhoods with a video camera and took 3
>hrs of video of THEIR violations
>result- CASE CLOSED
>GORDON
>

Listers, Friends, and the rest of you...

I too have been harrassed by the "powers that be", It seems that my
home town (Ocean Shores) doesn't approve of vehicles parked in the
same place for more than 30 days. And proceeded to ticket me and the
Rockette for having "abandoned " vehicles parked on our property.

So I appeared in court for the arraignment, and my plea was Not Guilty.
A court date was set, 2 months into the future, I arrive in court, without
my lawyer. The prosecuting attorney asks if there is anyone that needs
to talk to him about thier case. I raise my hand, he signals me to come up
and talk to him. I explain to him (the PA) that my Attorney couldn't make it
to court, and I have to ask for a continuance, because all the facts haven't
been "discovered". He asks "what do you mean by that?" I state that my
Atty believes that the citation was issued during an illegal search, and
he believes the officer that wrote the citation was trespassing.

Well, all of a sudden, the PA is the nicest guy in the world, He asks if
all the
vehicles are licensed, Yes they are, He asks if they're all insured, Yes they
are, He asks if they're road worthy, Yes they are. Then I explain that my
brides car is driven frequently, as are all the vehicles, we just park them
in the same places every time. Then I asked him why all the boat owners
in this little burg aren't here in court. He asked what I meant by that
statement, I said according to the Bylaw that I was charged under, any
"vehicle" included boats, motorhomes, trailers, trucks, cars, and earth
moving equipment. He disagreed with me on this point, so I showed
him the bylaw in question, Oops, seems I'm right, Oops.

At this point the officer who wrote the citation shows up, he's a good
cop, we shake hands, I ask how the hell he's doing, "My job, unfortunately"
he says, I tell him no hard feelings, but, he's got to stop by more often, and
ask how the Shelby's running ('68) He says great, but needs a slight tune,
seems to be laying down when the secondaries open, I tell him to come
over this weekend and we'll sort it out. The PA is looking at us like we're
from Mars, I ask "Oh, you didn't know we knew each other?" No he didn't.
Bob says "This is the guy that built the motor in the Shelby, He also built
the motor for your Camaro, and the motor in Larry's '56 F100, plus a ton
of other rods in this town."

The long and the short of it, I had to build a fence, to hide the wrecked
'73 Capri, who's engine is going into the Rockettes '72 this weekend, and the
citations are being thrown out, as of Wednesday....

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine....


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From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 22:21:37 EDT
Subject: Re: My Van is Cursed, Part 2

In a message dated 5/24/2000 12:33:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
haring fedora.net writes:

>
> Believe me, I will be following up on this abuse in the next few days. At
> the sound advice of more than one person -- I'm going to complain to anyone
> that will listen. It's a great injustice that an average guy like me who
> keeps a vehicle legally up to date in every way can have it taken without
> ANY warning. This is a huge flaw in the system and I'll do what I can to
> make it known. Thanks for letting me take up so much space, and thanks for
> all the gracious suppport everyone has given so far.
>
Have you thought about your local TV news? It might of been a real
interesting story especially if they were on hand for your vans return! Try
em, heck, you might strike a gold mine with em, who knows.

GLad it's back (though less than lovingly treated) and purring again.

George in Fl.

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From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 22:30:04 EDT
Subject: Re: A SEVERE OUTRAGE

In a message dated 5/24/2000 11:57:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
theodore ford-trucks.com writes:

>
> I used to get the Fox station from Philly on Primestar. What were
> the people thinking when they elected that guy? The other choice must have
> been pretty nasty.
> It seems anymore that living in an unzoned township is the only
> way to pursue our Ford Truck hobby. I've told my wife many times, I'll
> NEVER move back to town!!!!
>
Atint htat the truth! Unfortunatly down here in wonderfull Chuluota, Fl, the
town is comming out to get us (somthing call urban sprall). The good part is
theirs more tha one old Ford running (and sitting) around down here.

George in Fl.

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From: BOgborn webtv.net (Bryan Ogborn)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 22:40:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Severe Outrage

What a loser that mayor is. I'm tickled to death that you got your van
back. In the county I live in, in Kentucky, they're trying to get rid
of the junkyards because they're supposedly eyesores. The guy who is
doing the major whining knew the junkyard was there when he built the
house. And has been reminded of that fact repeatedly, but to no avail.
Thats what happens when you let a bunch of wannabe rich folks take over
your area.
Don't give up the fight. Take it to the media and keep hammering on
them until you get some body's attention. Ad then don;t ever back down.
Good luck
Bryan in Taylorsville, KY
'77 F-150- 351M with a 3 in the tree
LIfe don't get much better than that, baby.


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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 00:47:08 -0400
From: frenz.6 osu.edu (Dale Frenz)
Subject: For Sale:'79 F-150 S/C 4x4 & 460 kit

For Sale:

1979 F-150 XLT Supercab 4x4
Approx: 109,000 Miles

Body is above average condition. Not "spotless" by any means, but good. Bed
floor is the usual.

351M V-8
New main bearing installed, new oil pump, new fuel pump.
Runs strong.

C-6 Automatic

Front and Rear leaf springs

31" tires, 70% tread

New brake pads, shoes, front calipers, and rear wheel cylinders


460 conversion "KIT" for your installation project Includes:

- NOS Ford 460 bare block
- '77 460 (complete)
- rear sump oil pan, pick-up, support bolt
- 460 "van" alternator bracket
- 460 "truck" exhaust manifolds
- L&L 460 motor mounts

Price: $2800.00

Interested parties should email me privately.

Dale Frenz
Columbus OH



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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 07:46:40 -0500
From: Steve Schaefer plastekgroup.com>
Subject: Want to lower a F-350

Looking for some help in lowering a F-350. I know how I am going to
lower the rear. I plan on removing 4 leaf springs, and replacing them
in the overload set of springs. This should get me about 2-3" in the
rear. That is fine. I want to lower the front about 3-4". Do they
make a set of dropped beams for the F-350, or can I use a set of lowered
F-150 beams and intall the 1 ton spindles? Would just installing a set
of stock F-150 beams and springs work? This is a dually if it makes any
difference. Thanks for any info.

Steve S.
77 F-250 Supercab 4x4
76 F-350 Crew Cab 2wd
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From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 08:58:25 EDT
Subject: Re: Want to lower a F-350

ARE YA CRAZY???? LOWER a Ford? If anything it should be going up up up! LOL
I'm just givin ya a hard time, whatever makes your gravy wavy. Good luck! =)


*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~Silly boys...trucks are for GIRLS!~*~*

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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:30:57 -0500
Subject: new inspection rules
From: John LaGrone ford-trucks.com>

Greetings,

I just had my wife's 88 Towncar go through the annual Texas state inspection
about an hour ago. Keep in mind this car pretty much looks like it just
rolled off the showroom floor and I do not live in a smog area. We live in a
minimal inspection zone. The inspector complemented on the car's looks and
then proceeded to tell me she failed (the car she, not the inspector). It
seems Texas has changed the inspection rules and increased the fee. It now
costs $12.50 (still cheap compared to other places, it was $10.50) and your
gas cap now has to pass a pressure test. The Towncar flunked the gas cap
test. I plunked down another $12 for a new gas cap and I'm good to go, but I
would bet the inspection fee that my truck's gas caps won't pass either. I
have until August to get them squared away. The inspector said he would
check them before hand for a dollar a cap. Oh boy.

In my opinion this is just one more little rule designed to squeeze out
older vehicles. Folks, the governments are after our guns and our old trucks
and cars. It's conform or die. I have always been a patriotic, honest
citizen who votes every time there is an election on anything. I suspect I
am going to die a criminal unless I die soon. I am not giving up my guns; I
am not giving up my old Ford truck. My wife will not give up her Towncar.

Thanks for letting me vent. Though you may not all agree with me, I know you
understand how I feel.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:09:12 -0700
From: William A Whited ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: new inspection rules

John, Just to let you know about the gas caps. They
have had that law for a couple of years. The "Govt" is
starting to crack down on the stations that do not
enforce it. I believe it is meant to keep the gas
fumes from coming out of the tank and leaking into the
atmosphere. I just bought two for my truck for
inspection purposes and keep my locking ones on there
the rest of the time. I feel as you do with the govt
getting a little carried away with stuff. But this
one I can actually live with this one.

--
William A Whited
74 F100 RANGER SUPERCAB 390
77 F150 CUSTOM 460
EL Paso, TX
SEMPER FI



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From: "Southerland, Rich" alldata.com>
Subject: Re: new inspection rules
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:21:27 -0700

CA has been testing gas caps for years. Last year, my '77 E150 ran super
clean (the tech commented on how well it did), but would have failed and I'd
have been out the $50 test fee (and you guys say everythings BIGGER in
Texas...HA!) had I not ponied up $12 for a new cap. I did not see it tested
and I can't help but wonder if it was a ploy to get some more $ out of me,
but I happily paid it. I have a new "test only" cap now as well...

-----Original Message-----
From: William A Whited [mailto:f10074 ford-trucks.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 10:09 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: new inspection rules


John, Just to let you know about the gas caps. They
have had that law for a couple of years. The "Govt" is
starting to crack down on the stations that do not
enforce it. I believe it is meant to keep the gas
fumes from coming out of the tank and leaking into the
atmosphere. I just bought two for my truck for
inspection purposes and keep my locking ones on there
the rest of the time. I feel as you do with the govt
getting a little carried away with stuff. But this
one I can actually live with this one.

--
William A Whited
74 F100 RANGER SUPERCAB 390
77 F150 CUSTOM 460
EL Paso, TX
SEMPER FI


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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:27:07 EDT
Subject: Re: new inspection rules

In a message dated 5/25/00 9:33:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
jlagrone ford-trucks.com writes:

<< I am not giving up my guns; I
am not giving up my old Ford truck. My wife will not give up her Towncar.>>

Well I certainly agree. Ive got my guns, they arent going anywhere. Ive got
Tweety, Im going to be buried in that thing. As for the wife and the
towncar, let me get married, and we'll see....

< understand how I feel.

-- John >>

I positively agree. I think Im fortunate to live in an area without these
foolish laws. We however have our own problems. There is a phone # out here
we are supposed to call to report smoking vehicles. Its a good idea when you
think of the effect some of these cars have on our smog, but it also has its
downsides. I spent several hours doing valve seals on a 302 in a buddies 65
F-100 cuz he was turned in. Didnt fix it either, someone did a botch job on
the heads, and his only recourse is to rebuild the motor. Fine. But how is
he supposed to get to work to get the money to fix the truck, if his truck is
parked? Sometimes I think we should all go back to horses, but then I figure
the govt. would find away to make us feed them a special diet so as to reduce
flatulence, and of course taxes for street cleanup, 35cent trough parking.
Any sort of wagon or carriage would have rigorous safety inspections etc.
etc. I guess Im turnin into quite the radical these days, but Thomas
Jefferson said himself that without revolt every 20 yrs, no system will ever
be free from corruption. I think were just a tad overdue....

Darrell and Tweety
"Fight for the Cause!"

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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:44:50 -0500
Subject: Re: new inspection rules
From: John LaGrone ford-trucks.com>

on 5/25/2000 12:09 PM, William A Whited at f10074ford-trucks.com wrote:

> I believe it is meant to keep the gas
> fumes from coming out of the tank and leaking into the
> atmosphere. I just bought two for my truck for
> inspection purposes and keep my locking ones on there
> the rest of the time. I feel as you do with the govt
> getting a little carried away with stuff. But this
> one I can actually live with this one.

I can live with it, too, William, but it would have been nice to know about
it. The targeted smog cities, including El Paso, may have been doing it for
several years, but this is the first I have encountered it. The inspector
said it started September 1, 1999, which is when new Texas laws usually take
effect. Last year I had each of my three vehicles inspected at a different
shop and no one checked the gas cap. They are all reputable shops who have
been in business for many years, one of them for over 50. They are not the
type of place you take a vehicle because it is marginal. I wasn't going to
mention the set of gas caps for inspection purposes, but that had crossed my
mind :-).

-- John
jlagroneford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:44:50 -0500
Subject: Re: new inspection rules
From: John LaGrone ford-trucks.com>

on 5/25/2000 12:27 PM, JUMPINFORDaol.com at JUMPINFORDaol.com wrote:

> Sometimes I think we should all go back to horses, but then I figure
> the govt. would find away to make us feed them a special diet so as to reduce
> flatulence, and of course taxes for street cleanup, 35cent trough parking.
> Any sort of wagon or carriage would have rigorous safety inspections etc.
> etc. I guess Im turnin into quite the radical these days, but Thomas
> Jefferson said himself that without revolt every 20 yrs, no system will ever
> be free from corruption. I think were just a tad overdue....

Thanks, Darrell. And you know that ranchers have already become alarmed
because studies have shown that cattle release more ammonia into the air
than any other source on the planet. (They obviously have not studied middle
school students. :-) I'll pay for that.)

I think we are considered ultra conservatives in this matter as we are
resisting any change at all. Our old Fords prove that we don't fit the
mainstream. Unfortunately, not many of our Presidents since Tom have had a
clue about what the republic is all about.

-- John
jlagroneford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:46:22 -0700
From: "Kiernan, Denny" wenet.net>
Subject: Re: new inspection rules

I dont understand something here:

Southerland, Rich wrote:
>
> CA has been testing gas caps for years. . . . I have a new "test only" cap now as well...

And William A Whited said:

> I just bought two for my truck for
> inspection purposes and keep my locking ones on there
> the rest of the time.

Are you all saying that the new gas caps dont have locks on them?

Speaking of clean-air laws, did you all hear that California now has a
law against cigar smoking on boats within three miles of the coast? They
figure that the smoke drifts in to shore. and there may be young
children playing on the beach.

I'm just kidding.

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