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61-79-list Digest Tue, 23 May 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 107

In This Issue:
special tools?
Re: special tools?
Re: Drums & Shoes
Re: Drums & Shoes
Re: Drums and shoes
Re: SuperNats - 65's and 66's
Re: SuperNats - Stu's truck
Re: C6 torque rating?
SuperNats Photos
Re: A SEVERE OUTRAGE
Van Crusher
Re: A SEVERE OUTRAGE
My Van is Cursed, Part 2
Re: My Van is Cursed, Part 2
Re: My Van is Cursed, Part 2
Engine Block Disasters
Re: Drums & Shoes
Re: Drums and shoes
Re: My Van is Cursed, Part 2
Re: A SEVERE OUTRAGE
Re: A SEVERE OUTRAGE
Re: My Van is Cursed, Part 2
Re: My Van is Cursed, Part 2
Re: A SEVERE OUTRAGE
Re: A SEVERE OUTRAGE
Re: [Re: CD factory manual for old trucks]
Re: CD factory manual for old trucks
Re: A SEVERE OUTRAGE
Re: Drums & Shoes

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Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 13:03:34 -0500
Subject: special tools?
From: "Rusty Nail" mmgworldwide.com>

I'm going to replace the steering gear on my 77' f-150 this weekend and
would like to know if I need a special tool to get the pitman arm off on the
gearbox side.

Any additional info that will help also would be appreciated.

rusty in kcmo
77' 2wd explorer 400m


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From: "Southerland, Rich" alldata.com>
Subject: Re: special tools?
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 11:05:54 -0700

Yes, there is a puller designed specifically for this purpose. Often parts
houses will rent you the tool for free or low cost. You will not be able to
remove the arm (and reuse it) without it.

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Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 11:04 AM
To: ford post
Subject: [61-79-list] special tools?


I'm going to replace the steering gear on my 77' f-150 this weekend and
would like to know if I need a special tool to get the pitman arm off on the
gearbox side.

Any additional info that will help also would be appreciated.

rusty in kcmo
77' 2wd explorer 400m

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Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 13:18:26 -0500
From: "Kelley McDaniel" mercuryems.com>
Subject: Re: Drums & Shoes

I thought that when the brakes are applied the load smashes up against the front of the box. Similarly, the axle with its brake shoes attached smashes against the front of the drum when brakes are applied.

That's why I always put the big pad in front, to take advantage of the extra force. Seems to me the little pad up front would wear out too fast if put in front. I don't know . . . I've never replaced a set of pads twice.

Kelley in Kansas


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From: "Bill Beyer" pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: Drums & Shoes
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 11:39:20 -0700

While what you say may seem to be the case, the big shoe always goes in the
back. I can't explain the physics of it but I know it's supposed to be that
way...

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

----- Original Message -----
From: Kelley McDaniel mercuryems.com>
To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 11:18 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Drums & Shoes


> I thought that when the brakes are applied the load smashes up against the
front of the box. Similarly, the axle with its brake shoes attached smashes
against the front of the drum when brakes are applied.
>
> That's why I always put the big pad in front, to take advantage of the
extra force. Seems to me the little pad up front would wear out too fast if
put in front. I don't know . . . I've never replaced a set of pads twice.




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Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 18:02:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brett Habben juno.com>
Subject: Re: Drums and shoes

Another thing to point out is that there are two different drum brake
systems which may be adding to the confusion.
1.) Fixed pivot. The first drum brakes designed had a fixed lower anchor
point. Each shoe operates independantly of the other, sharing only the wheel
cylinder. In this scenario the wheel cylinder pushes the top of each shoe
out against the drum. Last time I saw one of these systems was on the rear
of a Tempo or Taurus. Why I don't know, because this is not as good a
design as number 2 below. I've seen them referred to as "Girling design"
but am not sure if that is the correct label.
2.) Floating pivot. This is the world renowned "Bendix Self-Energizing"
brake system that you are all familiar with. It was the invention that
allowed 89 lb. grannies to stop three ton's of steel without any power
assist. The front shoe moves out, the spinning motion jams the shoe down and
around, forcing the bottom of the rear shoe against the drum. This jams the
ENTIRE face of the rear shoe out against the drum which makes a big
difference in stopping power. More material was added to the rear show to
make up for the added wear .
Brett
Super75cab
>Duh, moment of stupidity. Of course the pivot point is on the >bottom where
the self adjuster is.


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Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 15:31:15 -0700
From: Keith Srb ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: SuperNats - 65's and 66's

At 10:35 PM 05/21/2000 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 5/21/2000 8:09:32 PM EST, nukegm ford-trucks.com writes:
>
>< < THAT SHOW WAS THE BEST!!!!!!!!! > >
>
>I only had one small problem with the super-nats .........Now I really know
>how much more work I have to do to my 64 . Thanks !!! Honestly the best
>showing of trucks I 've ever seen ! I was really suprised at the amount of
>65-66's there and equally suprised at the lack of 64 's . But just the same I
>got alot of great pictures to savor and ideas to aply to my own truck . If
>any of you guys missed the show , tooooo baaaaad......
> TRY TO MAKE IT NEXT YEAR FORSURE !!!!!!!!

I was in heaven when I saw all of the 65 and 66's at the show. Ken on the
other hand was a little bit upset with the fact that the weren't many 67's
there. A lot of people were talking about the 61-66's being the next wave
of trucks that are going to be showing up a lot more at the shows.

Later
Keith Srb
66 Ford F100



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Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 15:40:38 -0700
From: Keith Srb ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: SuperNats - Stu's truck


>Guys(and gals), I have
>one bit of advice for you. Build your trucks
>and take them to PF!!!!!!!! One of the top 5 experinces of my life! It
>will take years to wipe the smile off my face!!!
>(ask Keith!!)

This is true. Stu was smiling big time, and riding high on cloud 9!


> The parade was second to none and I was honored to have Ken
>Payne and Keith Srb ride along with my family and friends in the BIGGEST
>parade of Effies in the world!
>
>(can you tell I am pumped??)

Stu wasn't the only one pumped! Stu was kind enough to let me ride in his
truck in the parade. What an experience! Riding along in Stu's truck,
watching all of the people along the parade route taking pictures and
smiling and waving as we went down the parade route. These memories are
going to bring a smile to my face for many years to come. Stu, thank you
very much for letting me ride with you in the parade.


>THAT SHOW WAS THE BEST!!!!!!!!!

I have got to agree. It was so nice to be able to sit down with the people
I meet two years ago and chat with them again. I also made some new
friends at the show this year, and am looking forward to seeing them again
next year.

Stu's Truck was awesome. His attention to detail was amazing. Under the
hood in one corner, the factory had written the numbers 131 in black and
the engine had the word "OK" stamped on the front of the valve cover. Stu
took the time to write "131" under the hood after it was painted. He also
took the time to find a stamp that matched the "OK" on the valve cover and
a yellow stamp pad and stamped "OK" on the front of the value cover like
the factory did. He took the time to hunt down NOS knobs for the shift
levers for the transmission and transfer case. I could go on for quite a
while about Stu's Truck, but I think I can sum it up. I have no doubt that
Stu's truck looked almost exactly like this when it came off the assembly
line in San Jose, Ca in 1970, or 1971 when the truck was built.

If the number of people that stopped by Stu's truck and stood there and
talked to him for an extended period of time is any indication, there were
a lot of people who were impressed with his truck. There were a lot of
people stopping and talking to him about his truck.

Stu, You should be proud of you accomplishments with this Truck. I can't
wait to see what kind of ideas you come up with for the 68.

Later
Keith Srb


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Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 16:45:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Lee yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: C6 torque rating?

Dr Wayne,

I have a C6 behind a 400 with 4V Cleveland
heads(10.2:1 CR), Cam, Headers, 750CFM Carter carb,
Multispark Ignition and numerous other upgrades. My C6
is stock except for a Shift Kit and Torque Converter.
The tranny has no problem with this setup. Now if I
can only get the rear wheels to stick. BTW, are you
related to any former Carb manufacturer?

Dan Lee
'53 F100
400C-4V


> Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 09:15:20 -0700
> From: "Dr. Wayne Stromberg" mail.sdsu.edu>
> Subject: C6 torque rating?
>
> Anyone know the torque rating of a stock C-6
> transmission?
>


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Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 21:08:33 -0400
From: Garry Bowling bellsouth.net>
Subject: SuperNats Photos

I personally did not take any pictures. But I am pretty sure Ken did.
So Ken when can we expect some pics to be posted on the site?
Garry


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Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 20:40:20 -0500
Subject: Re: A SEVERE OUTRAGE
From: Brett L Habben juno.com>

Hmm. Aren't we talking about Philadelphia, "The City of Brotherly Love"?

I guess they failed to mention that their example of brotherly love is
Cain and Abel.
%$$ %$%$%!!!! (fill in expletives of your choice).
Anyway, one of my upwardly mobile redneck neighbors is stirring up the
neighborhood association. His assertion is that my red ford truck, old
jeep, and boat are ruining the property values (as opposed to his red
ford truck, old jeep, and boat.)
Anybody have any experience fighting neighborhood associations?
Thanks,
Brett
Super75cab watching its back......
>NOW i know WHY PA. is called the COMMUNIST STATE
>GORDON
________________________________________________________________





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Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 19:22:57 -0700
From: scott ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Van Crusher

>>>>>>My van was
towed by the city -- sans front axle! #$%!! I called the police
and they
do not know where it is. I

>>>>>John Street. His policy -- tow 1000
cars a day for 40 days.

I have a hunch if you check this crooks campaign contributors
(or family members)you will find which tow company has your van.

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From: "G & J Boling" alltel.net>
Subject: Re: A SEVERE OUTRAGE
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 23:55:17 -0400

> Anybody have any experience fighting neighborhood associations?
> Thanks,
> Brett
> Super75cab watching its back......
> >NOW i know WHY PA. is called the COMMUNIST STATE
> >GORDON
> ________________________________________________________________
a few years ago i had some problems with our local township and sherrif all
i did was -1- hunt up on the net ALL of the laws in my favor state and
federal-2-went around in their neighborhoods with a video camera and took 3
hrs of video of THEIR violations
result- CASE CLOSED
GORDON


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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 00:32:21 -0400
From: "Don Haring, Jr." fedora.net>
Subject: My Van is Cursed, Part 2

I wanted to give everyone an update on my missing van. It WAS towed, and I
now have it back. It's a long story, but I'll try to be brief. I'll first
say THANKS to everyone who voiced support, both publically and privately.
Now that things are settling, I'll try to answer to everyone personally
when I can.

The van was towed as "abandoned" even though it is insured, registered and
inspected, and has all the proper stickers visible to prove it. It was
towed because the front was up on stands. Some neighbors told me today they
were around when the tow truck operator came (I was a work). They told him
not to take it because I was working on it, but he ignored them.

I spent the morning at the salver's trying to find and get the van. Yes, it
was at a junkyard, and at one that was actively crushing. I gave the owner
and workers hell in my own evil way and maybe I'll tell that story at a
later time. Suffice it to say that I plopped myself comfortably in a chair
in the tiny office and refused to leave until they towed my van back home.
It worked and they hated for it. Cost? $131 down the drain (fine and
towing).

When the van arrived home, I was sickened and angered. I had my camera
ready and I'll post pictures to my website at a later date. Remember that
my van was taken while the front axle was out, so my van was just laying
belly-down on a flatbed. Luckily, the arch springs bow down just enough to
take most of the abuse, but it was a most insulting arrival. The truck
operator slid the van down, half on the sidewalk (ensuring I'd get a ticket
if I didn't work fast) and made me put the stands under the front end. In
the process, they bent the front tow hook bracket, banged up the sheet
metal under the bumper, forciblly pried open the drivers wing window and
broke the coveted original push-button latch, and lost a shim and u-bolts.
Luckily, those arch springs are darn tough and took most of the force in
stride.

I had trouble locating shims and proper u-bolts and had to go to a spring
specialist in South Philly (in the same nieghborhood as the guy who
threatened to kill me, assaulted me twice and broke the windshield and rear
window of the van months earlier ... remember THAT guy? ;]). New u-bolts
and shims set me back $50, but I have to say that the guys at the shop were
very helpful, friendly, and sympathetic. Armstrong Springs if anyone's in
town. Four hours later, I had the axle back in, wheels back on, everything
relubed, and the steering box adjusted. Not bad for a one-man show.

Believe me, I will be following up on this abuse in the next few days. At
the sound advice of more than one person -- I'm going to complain to anyone
that will listen. It's a great injustice that an average guy like me who
keeps a vehicle legally up to date in every way can have it taken without
ANY warning. This is a huge flaw in the system and I'll do what I can to
make it known. Thanks for letting me take up so much space, and thanks for
all the gracious suppport everyone has given so far.

THE PUNCHLINE:
I had planned on spending $250 to get my axle fixed. I spend $65 at the
machine shop, $131 at the salver, and $50 in additional parts, so I came in
$4 under budget.

-don

--
Don in Philadelphia #8142, Editor/Internet Director, Keystone Chapter FCA
66 Falcon Deluxe Club Wagon (daily driver)
61 Falcon Futura | Vespa and Lambretta scooters



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From: Natp244 cs.com
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 00:46:37 EDT
Subject: Re: My Van is Cursed, Part 2

Don,
I have been following the saga via this list and I (as I'm sure we all are)
am glad that things turned out as well as they did. It truly is a sad state
when an honest man's transportation is stolen- and an even greater insult
when its done by the people we pay with our tax money. I would urge you to
make a BIG DEAL out of this. Chances are you are not the only one this has
happened to, and probably will not be the last unless some things change.
Your story might be able to make that change if it reaches the right ears.
At the risk of sounding militant: Fight for the hobby and the heritage.

A proud owner of 2 trucks currently on stands,
Nate

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From: "G & J Boling" alltel.net>
Subject: Re: My Van is Cursed, Part 2
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 03:40:54 -0400

At
> the sound advice of more than one person -- I'm going to complain to
anyone
> that will listen. It's a great injustice that an average guy like me who
> keeps a vehicle legally up to date in every way can have it taken without
> ANY warning. This is a huge flaw in the system and I'll do what I can to
> make it known. Thanks for letting me take up so much space, and thanks for
> all the gracious suppport everyone has given so far.
> -don
==========================================================
don
try going to the MEDIA
GORDON


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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 02:33:43 -0700
From: John Lord home.com>
Subject: Engine Block Disasters

Im in the process of my second rebuild of a 390 for a friend.

I say second because the first one cracked and seized within 5 mins of
starting it up the first time. While doing the last few things my friend
/ customer wanted to help and he filled the radiator himself while i was
doing up the header- collector pipes underneath.

It appears that he wasn't paying attention as to how much water went in
the engine. And unfortunately the block had an air lock, It cracked just
behind the frost plug underneath the starter and almost seized #3 piston
in the bore. Really odd considering it was parked on an angle to prevent
that.

Good news though, i have another block....... or so i thought.

We have 40 over pistons, the first of my spare blocks was worn to 41
over.
The second block, that was given to me 10 years ago, heads intake and
all, somehow got water into the cylinders and is not salvageable.
My third spare (not really a spare, it was for my next job) has a 4 inch
crack in the back of the lifter valley near #4 cyl.

I started asking my family friends for help so i don't have to spend
more of my customers money.

So, block #5 would be good but it was left stripped down un oiled in a
storage room (that leaked) for so long that i need to spend $200 for get
the main's re done.

Block #6 might be ok, it appears to be an FT (391) block, no an FE, it
has reinforced bearing webs and ribs cast into the side of it.
Unfortunately it too is suffering from so much surface rust on the
outside that i cant check it for cracks yet.

So i just wanted to know has anyone else had a week like mine?


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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: Drums & Shoes
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 09:19:51 -0400

As far back as I can remember the long shoe always goes on the back.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Beyer pacifier.com>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 2:36 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Drums & Shoes


>While what you say may seem to be the case, the big shoe always goes in the
>back. I can't explain the physics of it but I know it's supposed to be that
>way...
>
>"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Kelley McDaniel mercuryems.com>
>To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 11:18 AM
>Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Drums & Shoes
>
>
>> I thought that when the brakes are applied the load smashes up against
the
>front of the box. Similarly, the axle with its brake shoes attached
smashes
>against the front of the drum when brakes are applied.
>>
>> That's why I always put the big pad in front, to take advantage of the
>extra force. Seems to me the little pad up front would wear out too fast
if
>put in front. I don't know . . . I've never replaced a set of pads twice.
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 08:17:31 -0500
Subject: Re: Drums and shoes
From: John LaGrone ford-trucks.com>

on 5/23/2000 5:02 PM, Brett Habben at bhabben juno.com wrote:

> Floating pivot. This is the world renowned "Bendix Self-Energizing"
> brake system that you are all familiar with.

Go, Brett. Of course the pivot floats. Thanks for your clarifications.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 08:34:18 -0500
Subject: Re: My Van is Cursed, Part 2
From: John LaGrone ford-trucks.com>

on 5/23/2000 11:46 PM, Natp244 cs.com at Natp244 cs.com wrote:

> I have been following the saga via this list and I (as I'm sure we all are)
> am glad that things turned out as well as they did. It truly is a sad state
> when an honest man's transportation is stolen- and an even greater insult
> when its done by the people we pay with our tax money. I would urge you to
> make a BIG DEAL out of this. Chances are you are not the only one this has
> happened to, and probably will not be the last unless some things change.
> Your story might be able to make that change if it reaches the right ears.
> At the risk of sounding militant: Fight for the hobby and the heritage.

Don, Nate, and everyone else,

The sad truth is that most people do not understand our hobby. Most cities
in the U.S. have laws prohibiting you from working on your own car or truck
except under rigid circumstances. In our fair city (ha) you can have a
vehicle disabled in your driveway for no more than 45 days. If you want to
go any longer, it has to be in a garage or in a commercial district. Working
on your truck in the street is strictly forbidden. Most of the voting public
look on vehicles as throw away items, just like a beer can and anything
older than 2 or 3 years is an eyesore. They do not have a clue about the
satisfaction of being able to maintain your own truck. Anyway, going to the
media is worth a shot I guess, but don't be surprised if you get some
responses like, "Good riddance to one more clunker."

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: A SEVERE OUTRAGE
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 09:44:51 -0400

I'm not sure what the laws are where you are at ,but around here if they
give you static about cars sitting around your property, all you have to do
is say that you are resstoring them or throw a "For Sale " sign in the
window & they can't do anything about them. Sometimes if you throw a tarp
over them ,they will not consider them as much of an eyesore.GOOD LUCK !!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Brett L Habben juno.com>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 9:44 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: A SEVERE OUTRAGE


>Hmm. Aren't we talking about Philadelphia, "The City of Brotherly Love"?
>
>I guess they failed to mention that their example of brotherly love is
>Cain and Abel.
> %$$ %$%$%!!!! (fill in expletives of your choice).
>Anyway, one of my upwardly mobile redneck neighbors is stirring up the
>neighborhood association. His assertion is that my red ford truck, old
>jeep, and boat are ruining the property values (as opposed to his red
>ford truck, old jeep, and boat.)
>Anybody have any experience fighting neighborhood associations?
>Thanks,
>Brett
>Super75cab watching its back......
>>NOW i know WHY PA. is called the COMMUNIST STATE
>>GORDON
>________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
>
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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: A SEVERE OUTRAGE
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 09:49:49 -0400

I did the same thing once.I even sent them to the Mayor's house.His son
owned a 1968 Olds Cutlass that had sat in his driveway for about 14 yrs. It
had flat tires,no current plates & probably no insurance on it. I've had no
problem since then from them.
-----Original Message-----
From: G & J Boling alltel.net>
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 11:55 PM
Subject: [61-79-list] Re: A SEVERE OUTRAGE


>> Anybody have any experience fighting neighborhood associations?
>> Thanks,
>> Brett
>> Super75cab watching its back......
>> >NOW i know WHY PA. is called the COMMUNIST STATE
>> >GORDON
>> ________________________________________________________________
>a few years ago i had some problems with our local township and sherrif all
>i did was -1- hunt up on the net ALL of the laws in my favor state and
>federal-2-went around in their neighborhoods with a video camera and took 3
>hrs of video of THEIR violations
>result- CASE CLOSED
>GORDON
>
>==========================================================
>To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with
>the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the
>message.
>


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From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" williams-net.com>
Subject: Re: My Van is Cursed, Part 2
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 09:54:03 -0400

Glad to hear you got your van back.Sounds like you won round 1.
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Haring, Jr. fedora.net>
To: tffn quik.com quik.com>; 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
<61-79-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 12:34 AM
Subject: [61-79-list] My Van is Cursed, Part 2


>I wanted to give everyone an update on my missing van. It WAS towed, and I
>now have it back. It's a long story, but I'll try to be brief. I'll first
>say THANKS to everyone who voiced support, both publically and privately.
>Now that things are settling, I'll try to answer to everyone personally
>when I can.
>
>The van was towed as "abandoned" even though it is insured, registered and
>inspected, and has all the proper stickers visible to prove it. It was
>towed because the front was up on stands. Some neighbors told me today they
>were around when the tow truck operator came (I was a work). They told him
>not to take it because I was working on it, but he ignored them.
>
>I spent the morning at the salver's trying to find and get the van. Yes, it
>was at a junkyard, and at one that was actively crushing. I gave the owner
>and workers hell in my own evil way and maybe I'll tell that story at a
>later time. Suffice it to say that I plopped myself comfortably in a chair
>in the tiny office and refused to leave until they towed my van back home.
>It worked and they hated for it. Cost? $131 down the drain (fine and
>towing).
>
>When the van arrived home, I was sickened and angered. I had my camera
>ready and I'll post pictures to my website at a later date. Remember that
>my van was taken while the front axle was out, so my van was just laying
>belly-down on a flatbed. Luckily, the arch springs bow down just enough to
>take most of the abuse, but it was a most insulting arrival. The truck
>operator slid the van down, half on the sidewalk (ensuring I'd get a ticket
>if I didn't work fast) and made me put the stands under the front end. In
>the process, they bent the front tow hook bracket, banged up the sheet
>metal under the bumper, forciblly pried open the drivers wing window and
>broke the coveted original push-button latch, and lost a shim and u-bolts.
>Luckily, those arch springs are darn tough and took most of the force in
>stride.
>
>I had trouble locating shims and proper u-bolts and had to go to a spring
>specialist in South Philly (in the same nieghborhood as the guy who
>threatened to kill me, assaulted me twice and broke the windshield and rear
>window of the van months earlier ... remember THAT guy? ;]). New u-bolts
>and shims set me back $50, but I have to say that the guys at the shop were
>very helpful, friendly, and sympathetic. Armstrong Springs if anyone's in
>town. Four hours later, I had the axle back in, wheels back on, everything
>relubed, and the steering box adjusted. Not bad for a one-man show.
>
>Believe me, I will be following up on this abuse in the next few days. At
>the sound advice of more than one person -- I'm going to complain to anyone
>that will listen. It's a great injustice that an average guy like me who
>keeps a vehicle legally up to date in every way can have it taken without
>ANY warning. This is a huge flaw in the system and I'll do what I can to
>make it known. Thanks for letting me take up so much space, and thanks for
>all the gracious suppport everyone has given so far.
>
>THE PUNCHLINE:
>I had planned on spending $250 to get my axle fixed. I spend $65 at the
>machine shop, $131 at the salver, and $50 in additional parts, so I came in
>$4 under budget.
>
>-don
>
>--
>Don in Philadelphia #8142, Editor/Internet Director, Keystone Chapter FCA
>66 Falcon Deluxe Club Wagon (daily driver)
>61 Falcon Futura | Vespa and Lambretta scooters
>
>
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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 11:15:00 EDT
Subject: Re: My Van is Cursed, Part 2

Glad to hear your Van is back home safe. Take photos of the damage, and Id
even contact a lawyer. This isnt something we can allow to happen. Good
luck.

Darrell and Tweety

PS After all the hardship, hows she Drive?

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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 11:56:03 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: A SEVERE OUTRAGE

At 08:40 PM 5/23/00 -0500, you wrote:
>Hmm. Aren't we talking about Philadelphia, "The City of Brotherly Love"?
>

I used to get the Fox station from Philly on Primestar. What were
the people thinking when they elected that guy? The other choice must have
been pretty nasty.
It seems anymore that living in an unzoned township is the only
way to pursue our Ford Truck hobby. I've told my wife many times, I'll
NEVER move back to town!!!!

Ted Wnorowski
Flat Rock, OH
' 64 F-250
352 transplant
4 speed
' 63 F-100
parts truck



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From: "Southerland, Rich" alldata.com>
Subject: Re: A SEVERE OUTRAGE
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 09:04:44 -0700

Just saw last night on the late news that Stockton, CA (near Sacramento) is
also cracking down on junk/abandoned vehicles. They seem to be going about
it in a much more sane manner. They are actively citing people, but the
citations can be dismissed by compliance. The commissioner said: "Fining
only makes more work for us and the public. The money they would pay for
fines could be used instead to fix the problem." They towed 1,000 cars last
year.


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Date: 24 May 00 10:10:55 MDT
From: Brent Dickerson my.gazette.com>
Subject: Re: [Re: CD factory manual for old trucks]

I missed the original post, where do you get these?
thanks, brent

Ted Wnorowski ford-trucks.com> wrote:
> At 12:47 PM 5/22/00 -0700, you wrote:
> >Anyone have one of these? Are all the volumes of the factory manuals
> >included? Are they full page scans?
> >Rich
>
> I have one for my truck and one for my wife's '69 GTO. They are
> exact repros of the factory manuals on CD. Well worth it! If you have any
> questions e-mail the guy. He was very friendly and responded quickly.
>
>
> Ted Wnorowski
> Flat Rock, OH
> ' 64 F-250
> 352 transplant
> 4 speed
> ' 63 F-100
> parts truck
>
> W/more kidney stones in tow
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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:22:25 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: CD factory manual for old trucks

At 10:52 AM 5/21/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Detroit Iron has them: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://216.62.60.89/detroitiron/MainFrame.htm
>
>$50 for the '69 Ford Truck
>
>mike
>


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Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 11:37:24 -0500
Subject: Re: A SEVERE OUTRAGE
From: John LaGrone ford-trucks.com>

on 5/24/2000 10:56 AM, Ted Wnorowski at theodore ford-trucks.com wrote:

> I've told my wife many times, I'll
> NEVER move back to town!!!!

Ted, I even tried that one time. The town moved to me! We were annexed about
two years after buying the house thinking 10 miles out of town was far
enough. It wasn't.

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!


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From: "wish" ford-trucks.net>
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 17:22:33 GMT
Subject: Re: Drums & Shoes

>> I thought that when the brakes are applied the load smashes up against the

>front of the box. Similarly, the axle with its brake shoes attached smashes

>against the front of the drum when brakes are applied.
>>

Except a load is much heavier than a brake shoe ... the inertial effects of
stopping on the brake shoe are negligible compared with the actual force of....


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