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Received: with LISTAR (v0.128a; list 61-79-list); Tue, 23 May 2000 12:05:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 12:05:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Ford Truck Enthusiasts List Server To: 61-79-list digest users Reply-to: 61-79-list  ford-trucks.com Subject: 61-79-list Digest V2000 #106 Precedence: bulk ========================================================== Ford Truck Enthusiasts 1961-1979 Truck Mailing List Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ 61-79-list Digest Mon, 22 May 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 106 In This Issue: Re: drums and shoes Re: SuperNats C6 torque rating? Re: swapping engine parts'78 302 to'88 5.0 Re: C6 torque rating? E Series column swap Re: CD factory manual for old trucks Re: Drums & Shoes Re: Drums & Shoes Re: Drums & Shoes Re: Drums & Shoes My Van is Cursed Re: My Van is Cursed Re: My Van is Cursed Supernationals request... wasMy Van is Cursed now A SEVERE OUTRAGE! My Van is Cursed now A SEVERE OUTRAGE! 57 F350 for sale Re: Drums & Shoes Re: My Van is Cursed Re: 61-79-list Aussie Cleveland Cylinder Heads Re: CD factory manual for old trucks ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:01:04 -0500 Subject: Re: drums and shoes From: John LaGrone on 5/22/2000 9:15 AM, wish at wish ford-trucks.net wrote: > Are we talkin larger thickness, or larger as in actual padded surface. Larger as in longer friction material. I don't know about your design class, but the long shoe goes to the back. :-) >Wish is right about the rear shoe being pulled into the drum. The pivot >point is at the top. Dual or split piston systems supposedly do away with >this inequity. Duh, moment of stupidity. Of course the pivot point is on the bottom where the self adjuster is. >on the back because it bore more load as inertia is carrying the vehicle >into this shoe and away from the front shoe. >Hahahahaha, sorry John, just gotta laugh at that because your inertia is going >to be the same since everything's all bolted together in there ... Bolted together? I think not. The brake shoes are floating on the rubbing block or backing plate. Anyway, this is the explanation I was given back in the dark ages. The long shoe still goes on the back. Maybe the inertia was the inertia of the tire/wheel/drum rotating, in which case the rear shoe would tend to be pushed away from the rotating drum requiring more surface area to maintain balance with the front shoe. Part of it has to do with the pivot point and the fact that the bottom of the shoe rides closer to the drum when the brake is released than the top does and more pressure is applied at the top of the shoe during braking. I have also seen systems where the front wheels each had two long shoes and the only short shoes went on the front of the rear axle. >I can't even think of a good example, if you use your hands and stuff on the >outside of the tire you have to reverse it all for the inside ... ??? Me neither. -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-) 1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" Subject: Re: SuperNats Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:19:05 -0400 If you would like to go again to a truck show in Pigeon Forge, there is another one coming up in July. It is the 2nd Annual Grand Trucking Nationals --held at the Grand Resort Hotel.It is held on the weekend of the July 14th---16th. It is open to all makes & models & years of trucks. I took my '94 Flareside last year & had a good time. Tim Allgire -----Original Message----- From: EffieFrd aol.com To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-list ford-trucks.com> Date: Monday, May 22, 2000 1:10 AM Subject: [61-79-list] Re: SuperNats >In a message dated 5/21/00 4:13:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >garrya bellsouth.net writes: > ><< It was great to see some old > friends and make new ones. >> > >Sure was. Good to put some faces with names. And now y'all know the cool >chic with the '65. :o) I had a blast. Wish I could have got there sooner >than Saturday...oh well. There's always next year. :o) > > >~Mel >1965 F100 >1989 Bronco >========================================================== >To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with>the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the >message. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 09:15:20 -0700 From: "Dr. Wayne Stromberg" Subject: C6 torque rating? Anyone know the torque rating of a stock C-6 transmission? ------------------------------ From: "Tim and Pam Allgire" Subject: Re: swapping engine parts'78 302 to'88 5.0 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:22:35 -0400 Yeah, I think somewhere around '84 they changed the size of the plugs.I would think that a 650 carb would work much better on a 302. Save the 750 for a big block. -----Original Message----- From: SevnD2 aol.com To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com <61-79-listford-trucks.com>Date: Monday, May 22, 2000 1:38 AM Subject: [61-79-list] Re: swapping engine parts'78 302 to'88 5.0 >In a message dated 05/22/2000 12:25:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >pjmahoney netzero.net writes:> ><< I found someone > who didn't use a computer to figure out what he was looking at, and he > told me that the large plugs went in around '84 to improve heat > rejection and reduce fouling. Is this true? >> > >I had a 72 302 with the larger size plugs. This engine was in a car, so I >can't say about truck engines. > >Hope this helps. > >Rollie H. Hunt >========================================================== >To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with>the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the >message. > ------------------------------ From: "G & J Boling" Subject: Re: C6 torque rating? Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 13:10:47 -0400 Anyone know the torque rating of a stock C-6 transmission? > ========================================================== i dont know what the rating is BUT i have a friend who has been using one in a pulling tractor for 6years now with a 460 built up in front of one and so far NO TROUBLE it is now going behind a race ready 427 the only mods to the tranny has been a cooler added on to it is all so i am sure unless your pushing over 650 horses as he is you shouldnt have any problems with one really gordon ------------------------------ From: "Southerland, Rich" Subject: E Series column swap Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 10:31:18 -0700 About a month back, I asked if anyone had swapped a later model column into a 75-79 Econoline as my old one had failing bearings and the turn signal switch had failed. My '77 E150 has cruise (which works), but no tilt. I found a tilt column out of an '87 E150 very reasonable. Nobody responded and I decided to go for it anyway as I figured I could resell the column if it didn't fit. Well, it is a direct bolt in. The turn signal/horn/cruise wiring plugged in with no modifications and everything appears to be working 100%. I had to disable the locking steering since the ignition switch on the '77 is in the dash and the '87 uses a column mounted lock and switch. I snagged as much wiring as I could from the '87's ignition and I eventually will rewire the ignition switch to the new column. I also pirated the power windows, locks and wiring harnesses from both doors of the '87. This old beast is getting fancy! Gonna have to take up to the people who gave it to us last year and show them what we've done with it. SWMBO is excited as well... ------------------------------ From: "Southerland, Rich" Subject: Re: CD factory manual for old trucks Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:47:59 -0700 Anyone have one of these? Are all the volumes of the factory manuals included? Are they full page scans? Rich -----Original Message----- From: Redden [mailto:redden enter.net]Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 7:53 AM To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.comCc: tneasham 3-cities.comSubject: [61-79-list] CD factory manual for old trucks Detroit Iron has them: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://216.62.60.89/detroitiron/MainFrame.htm $50 for the '69 Ford Truck mike ========================================================== To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com withthe words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 13:39:04 -0700 From: Marv & Marge Subject: Re: Drums & Shoes Wish wrote: > Except the primary is the smaller one, and they're labelled as such ... As Ed McMahon used to say: "You are correct, Sir." I got the terms primary and secondary reversed. The larger shoe is the secondary. Everything else I stand behind. The larger shoe goes on the rear side in the vast majority of drum brake installations that are anchored at the top of the backing plate. > As for "anchored" that is something I've never seen, apparently all the one's I > work with are different than the one's you guys are talkin about as mine have > all had a pin on the bottom that acted as a pivot and then the wheel cylinder > at the top had 2 levers on it, one for either shoe, and they both moved The pin on the bottom that acted as a pivot appearently is the "anchor" pin. That would make the front shoe the anchored one, and require that the larger shoe be in the front. That is a rather unusual configuration, however. Can you tell us the application? And I'm not sure what you mean by the hydraulic cylinder having two "levers". >(don't ever do that with the drum off either!) You mean push the brake pedal with the drum off? That's the best way to get the wheel cylinders apart if you're going to hone them for new cup seals. Different strokes....... -Marv- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 13:39:08 -0700 From: Marv & Marge Subject: Re: Drums & Shoes Wish wrote: > Except the primary is the smaller one, and they're labelled as such ... As Ed McMahon used to say: "You are correct, Sir." I got the terms primary and secondary reversed. The larger shoe is the secondary. Everything else I stand behind. The larger shoe goes on the rear side in the vast majority of drum brake installations that are anchored at the top of the backing plate. > As for "anchored" that is something I've never seen, apparently all the one's I > work with are different than the one's you guys are talkin about as mine have > all had a pin on the bottom that acted as a pivot and then the wheel cylinder > at the top had 2 levers on it, one for either shoe, and they both moved The pin on the bottom that acted as a pivot appearently is the "anchor" pin. That would make the front shoe the anchored one, and require that the larger shoe be in the front. That is a rather unusual configuration, however. Can you tell us the application? And I'm not sure what you mean by the hydraulic cylinder having two "levers". >(don't ever do that with the drum off either!) You mean push the brake pedal with the drum off? That's the best way to get the wheel cylinders apart if you're going to hone them for new cup seals. Different strokes....... -Marv- ------------------------------ From: "Bill Beyer" Subject: Re: Drums & Shoes Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 14:35:30 -0700 ----- Original Message ----- From: Marv & Marge To: <61-79-list ford-trucks.com>Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 1:39 PM Subject: [61-79-list] Re: Drums & Shoes > The pin on the bottom that acted as a pivot appearently is the "anchor" pin. > That would make the front shoe the anchored one, and require that the larger shoe > be in the front. That is a rather unusual configuration, however. Can you tell > us the application? And I'm not sure what you mean by the hydraulic cylinder > having two "levers". hmm...all the drum systems I've worked on have the cylinder at the top with 2 180 deg rods opposed to each other that fit into slots on the shoes which are fastened to the backing plate by pins with springs & clips about 1/3 of the way up from the bottom. I think this is what wish was describing... > >(don't ever do that with the drum off either!) > > You mean push the brake pedal with the drum off? That's the best way to get the > wheel cylinders apart if you're going to hone them for new cup seals. I think he meant with the shoes on if you ever want to try to get the drum back on without disassembling, adjusting and reassembling... ------------------------------ From: "Erik Marquez" Subject: Re: Drums & Shoes Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 14:48:58 -0800 > >> As for "anchored" that is something I've never seen, apparently all the one's I >> work with are different than the one's you guys are talkin about as mine have >> all had a pin on the bottom that acted as a pivot and then the wheel cylinder >> at the top had 2 levers on it, one for either shoe, and they both moved > >The pin on the bottom that acted as a pivot appearently is the "anchor" pin. >That would make the front shoe the anchored one, and require that the larger shoe >be in the front. That is a rather unusual configuration, however. Can you tell >us the application? And I'm not sure what you mean by the hydraulic cylinder >having two "levers". > Application, is every 1/2 t ford truck and bronco I have ever worked on. All have had the wheel cylinder at the top and the pivot point at the bottom. I believe the "levers" he was referring to are the pins that go in the ends of the wheel cylinders, and actuate the brake shoe it self.. One end is rounded and fits against the wheel cylinder piston, the other end has a sort of t-shape to it, the "t' fits in to an opposing grove in the shoe. Clear as mud? Erik Marquez bronco78 alaska.comhttp://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.home.gci.net/~bronco78 Home of the BB decal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 20:42:38 -0400 From: "Don Haring, Jr." Subject: My Van is Cursed Hello All, As always, I have good news and bad news: GOOD: I was able to free up the seized kingpin on my Falcon Club Wagon. I took the whole axle to a shop and freed it up using a high-pressure lube gun and some heat. Considering I do not want to spend any money on the van it was a good solution because I honestly don't think it needs new kingpins just yet. I was happy to free it up. BAD: I don't have the van anymore. (I'll let that sink in a second) I got home from teaching today and where my van had been parked, up on jack stands, there is now a green Chevy truck. No, I don't own it. My van was towed by the city -- sans front axle! #$%!! I called the police and theydo not know where it is. It had to have been towed for obvious reasons, but no one knows where it is and the earliest it will be in the "system" is tomorrow morning. Guess who's going to be miserable tonight? I'm most worried because there has been a city-wide "Abandoned Vehicle" task force, created by the new major, John Street. His policy -- tow 1000 cars a day for 40 days. My van was apparently towed because it was up on jack stands, but it had correct plates, stickers, etc. There have been reports on the news of cars being towed accidentally, but owners have very little hope of getting the cars back. Why? Because most are crushed within a day. (I'll let that sink in, too.) So for anyone that cares, please cross your fingers, say a prayer, do a dance, or whatever you do, to hope that my vehicle still exists. I won't know until morning. For now, the police officer who showed up was courteous enough to report it stolen, so I have a claim in. I'll let everyone know how it turns out. -don -- Don in Philadelphia #8142, Editor/Internet Director, Keystone Chapter FCA 66 Falcon Deluxe Club Wagon (daily driver) 61 Falcon Futura | Vespa and Lambretta scooters ------------------------------ From: "Southerland, Rich" Subject: Re: My Van is Cursed Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 17:46:52 -0700 And I thought California was the home of old car hating government enviro-nazis! That is simply too much! 1000 cars per day? That's one car about every 70 seconds! Was the vehicle parked on private property? Sounds like the mayor could have some lawsuits on his hands, what with no apparent redemption window. Is everything crushed or do they pick and choose what gets smushed or not? Glad I don't live there! Best wishes for the safe return of your vehicle. Raise hell! I got home from teaching today and where my van had been parked, up on jack stands, there is now a green Chevy truck. No, I don't own it. My van was towed by the city -- sans front axle! #$%!! I called the police and theydo not know where it is. It had to have been towed for obvious reasons, but no one knows where it is and the earliest it will be in the "system" is tomorrow morning. Guess who's going to be miserable tonight? I'm most worried because there has been a city-wide "Abandoned Vehicle" task force, created by the new major, John Street. His policy -- tow 1000 cars a day for 40 days. My van was apparently towed because it was up on jack stands, but it had correct plates, stickers, etc. There have been reports on the news of cars being towed accidentally, but owners have very little hope of getting the cars back. Why? Because most are crushed within a day. Don in Philadelphia #8142, Editor/Internet Director, Keystone Chapter FCA 66 Falcon Deluxe Club Wagon (daily driver) 61 Falcon Futura | Vespa and Lambretta scooters ------------------------------ From: "G & J Boling" Subject: Re: My Van is Cursed Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 23:02:45 -0400 > > I'm most worried because there has been a city-wide "Abandoned Vehicle" > task force, created by the new major, John Street. His policy -- tow 1000 > cars a day for 40 days =========================================================== sounds to me like its time for a RE-CALL ELECTION there from what i know setting on jack stands for 1 day does not meet the standards for abandoned vehicles what they done is PLAIN OUTRIGHT THEFT and you can bet if they are being crushed within 24 hrs some one is getting a BIG KICKBACK gordon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 00:51:28 -0400 From: Joe Hartwell Subject: Supernationals request... Hello everyone! As I'm reading my email with all of these posts about F-100 Supernationals, I'm wishing I could have gone and seen some of those great Ford trucks...and then it hits me: someone has had to have taken a camera and have a scanner to scan with. So, if I may make a humble request, could y'all scan a few cool pics and send a few my way? I just got my certification to teach Motorcycle Safety Foundation courses, and I taught at a community college in Roanoke, VA this past weekend. If y'all could send the pics to hartwell vt.edu (yep, that's virginia tech), I'd certainly appreciate it! Thanks again, and keep truckin!Joe Hartwell 1988 Ford Ranger 1968 Ford F-100 1997 Harley-Davidson 883 Sportster ------------------------------ From: JUMPINFORD aol.comDate: Tue, 23 May 2000 01:16:13 EDT Subject: wasMy Van is Cursed now A SEVERE OUTRAGE! I think this is cause for serious alarm. I hope your Van finds its way home safe and sound. However, I'd definitely do some checking, as in Vegas the city has to give you 72 hrs to move the vehicle, and notice is done via a sticker on the windshield. Even if you dont have a 72 hr law, Im sure at least 24 hrs have to be givin, or otherwise the city could just tow any vehicle anybody considered unsightly, even if the damned motor was still warm! Hell, from the sounds of it they could watch you hook up to it with you in it, and drive off when you step out to find out what is going on. I honestly cannot belive our country is slipping to this form of legalized theft. I also want you to do me a favor, as you may have a better chance at this than me, but I want an address to your mayor, be it email, snail mail, or fax. I will address this concern personally, as I am truly outraged by this blatant abuse of power. We cannot allow this to happen, as it can spread far and wide. Next thing I know I may hear Tweety was crushed. Why? Because mall security thought the paint was to faded to belong to anyone with money to be spent in a mall. Im sorry to rant and rave like this. I had to get it out. Please, get me an address, post it here to FTE, and I'll bet we make a difference in your mayors small, feeble, ! #$%, mindDarrell & Tweety "Fight for the cause!" ------------------------------ From: "G & J Boling" Subject: My Van is Cursed now A SEVERE OUTRAGE! Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 03:18:02 -0400 you know what now that i think of it more maybe the AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION should be contacted about all this NOW i know WHY PA. is called the COMMUNIST STATE GORDON ------------------------------ From: "Terry L. Rahn" Subject: 57 F350 for sale Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 05:44:21 -0500 On Sunday I was selling at a swap meet in Waukesha, WI. One of the sellers had a F350 for sale with a 60 parts truck for $1500. It runs and sounds great. I got the following info if anyone is interested: 57 F350 yellow 272 4speed 8x19.5 tires new 9' box Parts truck: 60 F150 southern cab and front fenders no drivetrain, this is a rolling chassis This is a package deal and includes the tow bar for $1500 Contact Scott Brodell N4549 Hwy. 109 Iron Ridge, WI 414-625-3412 (the area codes have recently changed and it may be 262 now) Terry L. Rahn 78 E250 Quadravan ------------------------------ From: "wish" Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 12:20:35 GMT Subject: Re: Drums & Shoes >hmm...all the drum systems I've worked on have the cylinder at the top with >2 180 deg rods opposed to each other that fit into slots on the shoes which >are fastened to the backing plate by pins with springs & clips about 1/3 of >the way up from the bottom. I think this is what wish was describing... > >> >(don't ever do that with the drum off either!) >> >> You mean push the brake pedal with the drum off? That's the best way to >get the >> wheel cylinders apart if you're going to hone them for new cup seals. > >I think he meant with the shoes on if you ever want to try to get the drum >back on without disassembling, adjusting and reassembling... > Thanks guys, I appreciate those of you who can get what I mean from what I say ;) It was one of those days yesterday and I couldn't get all my thoughts in order enough to be comprehendable apparently ... you guys got it right on though, I did mean just the 2 push pieces from the wheel cylinder, and that the drum is a pain to put on if the springs dont' come flying out .. Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ From: "wish" Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 12:26:15 GMT Subject: Re: My Van is Cursed >As always, I have good news and bad news: > Yikes, glad you got it freed up, but sorry the truck is gone ... hopefully by now you've got it all sorted out and are happily (grudginly ?) puttering around in your van :) Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ From: "Harry Lewis" Subject: Re: 61-79-list Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:50:43 EDT >Is there any adapters or anyone who has installed an automatic overdrive >into a 1979 4WD F-150 with the NP205 transfer case. My truck has the 351M >and am curious if this has ever been done either with this engine or any >other engine. Also, anyone swapped a late model fuel injected motor, >transmission and transfer case into a '79 4wd F-150? I'm just thinking >about it. Harry. ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: "Bill Beyer" Subject: Aussie Cleveland Cylinder Heads Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 07:50:23 -0700 I've found a source for Australian Cleveland cylinder heads. They are $175 for a pair of bare cleaned & magged heads plus shipping. If anyone is interested please email me off list: bbeyer pacifier.com"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 13:05:18 -0400 From: Ted Wnorowski Subject: Re: CD factory manual for old trucks At 12:47 PM 5/22/00 -0700, you wrote: >Anyone have one of these? Are all the volumes of the factory manuals >included? Are they full page scans? >Rich I have one for my truck and one for my wife's '69 GTO. They are exact repros of the factory manuals on CD. Well worth it! If you have any questions e-mail the guy. He was very friendly and responded quickly. Ted Wnorowski Flat Rock, OH ' 64 F-250 352 transplant 4 speed ' 63 F-100 parts truck W/more kidney stones in tow ------------------------------ End of 61-79-list Digest V2000 #106 *********************************** ---------------------------------------------------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts 1961-1979 Truck Mailing List Send posts to 61-79-list ford-trucks.comIf you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, send an email to: listar ford-trucks.comwith the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the message. Visit Our Web Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com ---------------------------------------------------------- .... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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