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61-79-list Digest Mon, 07 Feb 2000 Volume: 01 Issue: 2003

In This Issue:
Re: 86 front axel problem need help
Speaker Size for 71 F100
A dumb joke for all your classic car/truck friends
Re: I'm a Dad///Ford trucks/Winter
Re: Frame painting
Re: I'm a Dad
Re: Listar commands, a test I tried :-)
Re: Speaker Size for 71 F100
Test
Re: Listar commands, a test I tried :-)
listar filtering problems
attempted wheel theft
Re: ADMIN: Posting notes
new list server/posting notes
429 in a '65 F-100
Re: sanity
BRAKES setup part 1
steering wheel paint/resto?
BRAKES! setup part 2
Re: BRAKES! setup part 2
Re: BRAKES! setup part 2
'78 460 CRANK SPECS?
Ken Payne is "The Man"
Re: BRAKES! setup part 2
Bill's brake troubles.....
Re: 429 in a '65 F-100
Re: FRAME PAINTING
IRS ADVICE
Re: IRS ADVICE
Re: 429 in a '65 F-100
Well, I give up.....:_(
Re: 429 in a '65 F-100
Frame Painting
67 Restore Project
Re: 67 Restore Project
Re: 67 Restore Project
Is anyone posting
351M-400 magazine article
Re: listar filtering problems
Re: ADMIN: Posting notes
Re: Ken Payne is "The Man"
ADMIN: Quoting limits
Re: ADMIN: All lists are back up
Re: 429 in a '65 F-100
Re: 429 in a '65 F-100
Re: FRAME PAINTING
Re: IRS ADVICE
Re: IRS ADVICE
Re: IRS ADVICE
Ungrateful
All hail Ken!
Re: Ungrateful

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Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 22:10:45 -0800
From: Jason Derra internetcds.com>
Subject: Re: 86 front axel problem need help

It comes out with the differential and is held in with a c clip (If I remember
correctly)
Jason

mdennis wrote:

> I have an 86 F150 4x4 and the slip yoke went bad on the front right side axel. I
> got the outer part of the axel out but the short stub axle that fits into the
> differential seems to be stuck tight. Does this pull out like on the 79's or are
> there some type of clip holding the axel in the diff? I made a slide hammer,
> hooked it up and used a 25lb weight to try and pull it but it wouldn't budge.
> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 22:22:15 -0800
From: Tim Bowman uswest.net>
Subject: Speaker Size for 71 F100

Does anyone know the actual size of the factory speaker in a 71 F100?

I need to replace mine but I don't want to pull the radio and then
determine the speaker size. Besides the factory AM-FM is a pretty tight
fight in there.

--
Tim Bowman
Burien, WA
tkbowman uswest.net



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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 01:46:09 -0500
From: "Don Haring, Jr." fedora.net>
Subject: A dumb joke for all your classic car/truck friends

The following is a true story ... you old car and truck owners might
appreciate this story if you've ever had to answer the question "what year
is that?" (and who hasn't?)

I was driving home from dinner tonight when a drunk street guy approached
my Falcon van. I'm used to such events, so I rolled down the window when he
motioned to do so.

Excitedly, he asked, "what year is this?" and I quickly said, "1966."

He laughed and said, "no, it's 2000!"

-don

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Don in Philadelphia
Internet Director, Keystone Chapter FCA | 66 Falcon Deluxe Club Wagon
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From: "Jerry Godsey" prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: I'm a Dad///Ford trucks/Winter
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 23:31:28 -0800

Congratulations, Joe.
Yesterday my oldest son and I put brakes in my 95 Aerostar, then put a
thermostat in his 88 F-150, then took my 65 Econoline, the van and my truck
to wash them all. In all, a pretty good day with my boy.
Children are indeed a gift from God. Enjoy your to the fullest!
Blessings,
Jerry Godsey
www.geocities.com/heartland/meadows/4275



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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Re: Frame painting
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 07:01:54 -0500

Well, I laid out a good post on this last week but due to flat earth, it
fell off the edge so........

Unless you plan to have it blasted at a full frame, shell blasting facility
for big bucks I would recommend you use a needle gun on it first. It will
knock off all the large chunks of dirt/rust buildup that a blaster has
trouble cleaning up along with virtually all the loose rust so the blaster
will only have to "polish" it up and you will then have very little rust to
paint over. Pay close attention to the interfaces of the cross members etc.
since they will harbor grease and other stuff that will bleed out into your
finish and damage it, allowing rust to begin again.

Many of the gang recommend POR-15 for this as it is hard and does control
the rest but it has to be top coated to prevent sun damage I understand.
Eastwood also sells Corroless which does the same thing but comes in colors.

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

>I sent this message earlier but I think it went to electron
>heaven

>I am redoing a 79 302/C6 2wd and need to sandblast the frame.
>Anyone have a
>good tip on what kind of (idiotproof) paint I should spray it

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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Re: I'm a Dad
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 07:13:43 -0500

I agree except in my case I wind up doing it while they are at work or sick
or in the hospital or......Just pulled my son's AOD from his 92 F-150 with
no help because he chose to have Psoriasis at precisely the time I needed
his help and can't walk due to cracked feet........He was going to pay
someone to do it but has no money......go figure??? Don't know how he
planned to handle that but he didn't plan on running into a deer and
trashing his tranny either....(drove it with a busted cooler and didn't
bother to check it first after the accident) Oil looks like tar and poured
out about like that too.....

I tell you, old age is no fun but there are some advantages, like wisdom,
understanding, knowledge etc.....What's fun is being able to impart that to
our offspring some day, hopefully "before" they need it and thus learn it
for themselves, the hard way like we did :-)

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

>Congratulations Joe!!
> I know that it's great having my sons helping me with my truck and me
>helping them with thier cars! We've learned alot together and have had
>alot of fun in the process too. :o) Again congrats to you and your
>wife...
>
>cjones (gizmo)
>66' F250 352 4spd

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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Re: Listar commands, a test I tried :-)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 07:48:30 -0500

Ken didn't put all the list names in his post but they are still there. I
put "lists" in the subject line with no message body and also "lists" in the
body with no subject line and they both worked, I got the list of lists and
it is the same as before. Just thought I'd pass that along :-)

Also, when he says "trim your posts" he really means it. I trim my posts
pretty well, I thought, but I got an error message already today but don't
know which response generated the error. I've already allerted Ken to this
problem.

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

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From: tfreeman murphyfarms.com
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 08:16:53 -0500
Subject: Re: Speaker Size for 71 F100

I believe it's physical size a 5x7. I don't know about the power rating though.

-Ted




Does anyone know the actual size of the factory speaker in a 71 F100?

I need to replace mine but I don't want to pull the radio and then
determine the speaker size. Besides the factory AM-FM is a pretty tight
fight in there.

--
Tim Bowman
Burien, WA
tkbowman uswest.net


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From: prozell oaielectronics.com (OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell)
Subject: Test
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 07:34:57 -0600

Just wanted to make sure the list is working.

Paul
65 F100 460 C6
Trying to acquire a 66 F100 Short Wide.


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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 07:26:10 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Listar commands, a test I tried :-)

At 07:48 AM 2/7/00 -0500, you wrote:
>Ken didn't put all the list names in his post but they are still there. I
>put "lists" in the subject line with no message body and also "lists" in the
>body with no subject line and they both worked, I got the list of lists and
>it is the same as before. Just thought I'd pass that along :-)
>
>Also, when he says "trim your posts" he really means it. I trim my posts
>pretty well, I thought, but I got an error message already today but don't
>know which response generated the error. I've already allerted Ken to this
>problem.
>
>--
>Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
>78 Bronco Loving, Gary

I've increased the trim limits this morning. Apparently they
are way too restrictive. Anything over 40 lines in a block
of text will trip it now. You can still post 80 lines, 100,
etc. But no more than 40 without a reply in it.

Ken


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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 05:37:33 -0800 (PST)
From: "D. DiMartino" yahoo.com>
Subject: listar filtering problems

has anyone have problems trying to filter the incoming posts? i
can't seem to get them sent to my ford file anymore... i
changed all the info in preferences and no joy. now my inbox
gets all the mail, and it takes forever to weed it all out!



=====
Daniel DiMartino
yahoo.com>
1968 F-250 soon to be a 4x4
__________________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 08:21:37 -0600
Subject: attempted wheel theft
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

>> he said all my lugnuts were loosened except for the one that locks my
tire<<

Lisa,

Sorry to hear about your wheels. You made me glad I spent $22 for the
locking lug nuts, though.

No list for a week. It's a wonder I'm still sane....or am I? Was I ever?

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Posting notes
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 06:31:20 -0800 (PST)

Ken Payne writes:
> Listar, our new mailing server, enforces quoting limits.

Hi Ken, thanks for all your efforts. I've got the FTE DT's, bad.

What is the rule that is enforced by liststar? I once had to live
with one that would not allow me to post a message to usenet unless
the number of new lines were more than the number of quoted lines.
This was fine most of the time, but there were times when it just
didn't work. Thankfully that one didn't last long. I am all for
trimming posts, but that was a little extreme.

One little piece of user feedback. I am subscribed in digest2
mode and I am only getting the digests.


Mark in Southwest Washington
(about to test the "vacation" mode)
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacifier.com/~draco/Truck.html
--
'74 F-100 Ranger XLT 4X4
in digest mode

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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 08:33:34 -0600
Subject: new list server/posting notes
From: "John LaGrone" ford-trucks.com>

>>I just put in 70 hours last week getting the lists back up
with all the current subscriber, in addition to my job and
as a response you send a message to the entire list telling
me it s**ks? Great attitude.
<<

Bravo, Ken!!!! The new server is wonderful, but nowhere near as wonderful as
you are. It just so happens the FTE meltdown coincided with a Sprint
meltdown coincided with a meltdown at work. I'm glad it's all working again.
Everyone won't say it, but you are our hero, Ken. With FTE you have filled a
vacant spot in our lives. We can never thank you enough.

Long live King Ken, Lord and Master of FTE!!!!!!

-- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)
1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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From: Dlkiehl aol.com
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 09:49:58 EST
Subject: 429 in a '65 F-100

I have a '71 Ford 429 with a C6 automatic and a 1965 F100 with a dead 352.
How difficult would it be to put the 429 and auto in the F100?

Darryl Kiehl

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From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: Re: sanity
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 08:57:36 -0600

> No list for a week. It's a wonder I'm still sane....or am I? Was I ever?
>

"You're not going mad, you're going sane in an insane world ...." - The
Tick.

John, as usual you've summed up my thoughts exactly :)

Its great to be back so I'm not "flying blind" again when I go to start a
project (I'll have another post about that).


Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish


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From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: BRAKES setup part 1
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 09:27:10 -0600

Well just before the server went kerplooey, some of you got email that I was
working on switching to a true 4x4 master cylinder on my truck instead of
the wonderful 4x2 cylinders that I was blowing out every 6 mo. or so.
I got a master cylinder for a 76 in anticipation of my disc brake swap, and
then proceeded to try and find a bench bleeding kit. Apparently they don't
come with them anymore. I took an old piece of line that I wasn't going to
use that also miraculously had the right size ends on it. Cut that piece
and turned it into a bench bleeding kit ... though I used it on the truck
instead of removing it again (this was out of order but a tip for you guys
starting at the beginning :)
I had trouble getting brake lines to fit into the master cylinder, and
being that the fittings were on the pass. side instead of the driver's side
it meant some re-plumbing was in order. Getting the old ones out was a pain
in the rear ... it sounded (and felt) like he used loc-tite on the lower
side of the fittings.
Well through the miraculous use of some Vice-Grips (yes they were brand
name :) I was able to get the fittings at the junction block loose, and one
of the tubes out so I could put the new one in, it actually had both ends
the exact same size (5/16ths if I remember right 30" of length was just a
shade too much.), and while I started using a tubing bender, I was able to
bend about 75% of it by hand without any kinks (its not kinky :).
This email can't begin to convey the frustration during or satisfaction of
completing the job, but I have several questions for you guys in a following
message. Just wanted to setup things to try and stay under the limits of
the list too. Try 2 at splitting it ...34 lines last time and it didn't
work ...
Just my $.02
wish
96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish


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From: "Southerland, Rich" alldata.com>
Subject: steering wheel paint/resto?
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 07:36:23 -0800

A little voice told me I should stop by the local self-service
dismantler on the way to work this AM. Of course I obeyed. Found a nice
steering wheel for dad's '67, complete with horn ring. Only one small
crack.

Problem is, it's tan(?). Dad's is black. For $5, I couldn't leave
it there. It's not a show truck by any means. Anyone had good luck
painting these and getting the paint to last? Thought about using some JB
Weld to fill the crack and then sanding it down and painting over it. Any
other ideas?

Thanks in advance!
Rich
(There was a pretty complete '65 there, even still had a factory
radio in it!)





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From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: BRAKES! setup part 2
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 09:45:36 -0600

conitinued :
1) How do you guys deal with brake lines requiring different sized fittings
on either end ? I lucked out and the new MC used the same size for the rear
brakes on both sides, but the other side is a huge difference (wrench sizes
of 5/8ths on top and 5/16ths on the bottom!) Thoughts on that, as the guy
used really long tubing to do this job and there's a loop in it I'd like to
take out, but would like a new line too ...

2) After everything was bled out the brakes were firm, but of course
starting it and bringing the power booster into play made them a shade
squishier, but also increased pedal travel. I adjusted the "nub" out a
quarter of a turn and now without the booster travel is almost non exsistant
(I should probably put it back in an eigth) but with the engine running its
back to a few inches ... I'd like to get it cut down a bit more, once they
catch they come on hard, but it seems like too much travel, any
thoughts/suggestions ???

3) has anyone found a replacement brake hose for a D44 front end ? The kind
with the axle vent holding the axle side of things and a nice square fitting
on the other end that bolts to the frame ???

Just my $.02
wish
96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish


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From: "Southerland, Rich" alldata.com>
Subject: Re: BRAKES! setup part 2
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 07:55:05 -0800

<<1) How do you guys deal with brake lines requiring different sized
fittings
on either end ?>>

The master we got for dad's 67 PB conversion had adapter fittings already
installed. Turned out one was different so back to the store we went.
$1.79 bought us a brass adapter made specifically for this purpose. Most
good parts stores should have a selection of these adapters.

< take out, but would like a new line too>>

I've seen this done quite often, sometimes having several full loops. I
always thought this was to allow some flexing. Am I wrong on this?
Rich



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From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: Re: BRAKES! setup part 2
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 10:02:03 -0600

> The master we got for dad's 67 PB conversion had adapter fittings already
> installed.

Mine also came with one of these and that's the only reason the truck is
running today, but I just look at adapters as something else to leak or
break and would like the factory look of not using them at all in the end
...

> I've seen this done quite often, sometimes having several full loops. I
> always thought this was to allow some flexing. Am I wrong on this?

The only time I've used a loop is when I had waaaay too much pipe and needed
to take out the slack, there should be some in there for slack I suppose,
but you shouldn't need enough slack that you have to loop it in there ...
maybe others have different theories on it ?

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish


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From: "Matthew Schwartz" fast.net>
Subject: '78 460 CRANK SPECS?
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 11:08:58 -0500

I have had problems with an auto tranny and the tranny shop is now
considering that the crank may be blowing out the front pump on a C6. They
are to measure the crank flange runout and crank endplay specs. Can anyone
provide me those specs for a 460 crank? I would like to know what the specs
are when they call me with the results.

Thanks




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From: "Dave Resch" sybase.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 09:08:36 -0700
Subject: Ken Payne is "The Man"

Yo Ken:

Thanks so much for all your time you put into the server swap. So far, I am
pleased w/ everything about the new list software, particularly the ability to
filter out excessive quotes.

I'm hassling w/ UNIX/NT permissions at work on a regular basis nowadays, and I
know what a royal pain it can be. You have done a great job on this list and I
am simply thrilled to have the digest back again.

Thousands of us silently appreciate the FTE lists, day-in day-out, w/out a
second thought as to the work involved in maintaining such a high caliber
operation as you have, and we all benefit from it.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

FTE Rules!!!

Dave R (M-block devotee)



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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Re: BRAKES! setup part 2
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 11:16:15 -0500

All stock, new vehicles I've had have this loop in the brake line near the
MC. Purpose is a bit shadowy in my head but shock under emergency braking
is the only thing I can come up with. I was desperate with the bronco so I
took out everything that could conceiveably cause mush including this loop
but it makes no difference. It's supposed to be there for some reason only
known to engineers but it probably has a good reason for being there. When
I redo the lines I will add it back in since it had absolutely no affect on
the much either way.

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

>The only time I've used a loop is when I had waaaay too much
>pipe and needed
>to take out the slack, there should be some in there for slack
>I suppose,

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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Bill's brake troubles.....
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 12:11:40 -0500

Well, Bill, I've tried twice now to respond to your 3 points and between
downed servers and picky new software just don't seem to be having much luck
:-( Mr. Lis*tar.......this is not a reply so please don't cut me off!!!

1..You've alreadyt replied that you are aware of the adapters but I have not
seen any "stock" MC fittings available in the after market yet so adapters
are all we have AFAIK

2..With older disk setups using older MC designs you will have to have a
proportioning valve which contains the residual valve needed for the front
disk brake calipers. Due to the size of the pistons in the calipers the
pads must be kept very close to the rotor to prevent excessive movement when
brake is applied or the MC will run out of travel before good bite is
achieved. This is what the residual valve does and it's only found in the
stock proportioning valve on these older models. newer ones have this built
into some other part of the system but they are still there.

3..The Superlift lines I got for the bronco have the junction blocks built
in. There are others as well but that's what used.

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--


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From: prozelloaielectronics.com (OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell)
Subject: Re: 429 in a '65 F-100
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 11:48:32 -0600

Darryl,
I have a 65 F100 with a 460 in it. Originally the truck had a 352 in it. I
am not sure if there are any parts on the market for swapping in a motor
like a 429 in a 65 truck. There were none when I did my swap and I don't
think there was any available. The hardest part I had with the conversion
was the motor and tranny mounts. I am still wanting to fabricate a tranny
cross member out of tubular steel. We used the tranny cross member from the
352, drilled holes where we needed them and bolted the C6 up to the old
cross member. As for motor mounts I used the existing towers and used the
old 352 engine mounts, by drilling holes that would match up to the 460. I
am still trying to find out if there is a way to install a real 460 mount. I
have to admit that this is probably not the proper way to install a 429
motor or a 460 in a 65. But mine has been on the road reliably for 4 to 5
years since swapping the power plant.

Paul
65 F100 460 C6.
Trying to acquire a 66 F100 shortwide.


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From: "PitStop Performance" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: FRAME PAINTING
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 11:58:13 CST



>I sent this message earlier but I think it went to electron heaven >owing
>to server switchover. Hope it doesn't pop up again later.
>
>I am redoing a 79 302/C6 2wd and need to sandblast the frame. Anyone >have
>a good tip on what kind of (idiotproof) paint I should spray it >with after
>cleaning it up? I am looking for something that would work >over some rust
>and stop it in its tracks.
>

Last time I painted a frame I used a black epoxy primer. The local paint
shop said it would be the best for painting over a surface that may not be
100% rust free (such as a frame). It cost a little more, but it doesn't take
a whole lot.

What I did was sand blast the frame (had it done... guy spent too much time
getting the top and left junk on bottom... where you see it...), sand and
gring more where sand blast guy missed.

Then I used a bottle of acid wash stuff. I just mixed it with water and
sprayed it one. Eats away any left over rust. Only about $10 or so for this
stuff.

The final step was the epoxy primer. It dried hard and had a shine to it. It
looked good so I didn't put any paint on top of it.

I didn't have the truck long after that... But last I heard it still looked
good.

Harry.
______________________________________________________


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From: "PitStop Performance" hotmail.com>
Subject: IRS ADVICE
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 12:01:07 CST

IRS ADVICE

I am looking to install an IRS under my truck. Has anyone here done anything
like this? I am thinking of using an IRS from a T-bird and maybe using the
stock truck springs. Any advice on widths and such?
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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Re: IRS ADVICE
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 13:19:32 -0500

Only advice I'll offer is that a tbird rear axle setup isn't strong enough
for a truck. First good load you get on it you'll be twisting the axles off
:-( Even just the weight of the vehicles is enough different to pose a
threat to the integrety of these axles IMHO if you attach it to a decent
V8.....like the 460 for instance :-) I haven't actually measured it but I
suspect it is enough narrower that it would be a tough fit and they have 5
on 5 lug patterns too so would not fit your truck wheels.

All of this can be overcome with enough cash however :-)

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

>like this? I am thinking of using an IRS from a T-bird and

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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Re: 429 in a '65 F-100
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 13:25:42 -0500

429 and 460 are the same in every way externally. L&L makes mounts for this
application as does Advance Adapters and at least one other company I can't
think of right now. The tranny mount should be the easiest part since there
are only two bolts interfacing with the tranny itself. Drive shaft length
is an issue as is the exhaust as there are two different manifolds for cars
and trucks and you will need the truck version or buy headers like the rest
of us :-)

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

>am still trying to find out if there is a way to install a
>real 460 mount. I
>have to admit that this is probably not the proper way to install a 429

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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Well, I give up.....:_(
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 13:48:14 -0500

I've tried every trick I can think of and Lis*tar keeps kicking me out so
I'm not replying any more, just going to make new posts and try to keep the
gist of the thread intact somehow :-(

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--


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From: prozelloaielectronics.com (OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell)
Subject: Re: 429 in a '65 F-100
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 13:04:50 -0600

Gary,
I should have known who to ask. Hey does any one of these companies have a
web site???
The tranny mount was very easy. But that was really the only problems other
than driveshaft and exhaust that I ran into. The drive shaft I had made, and
the exhaust I also had installed new. So I personally didn't have to mess
with it. the only problem was driving to the exhaust shop, the open headers
on a 460 can make some heads turn??!!!
Paul
65 F100 460 C6

> 429 and 460 are the same in every way externally. L&L makes mounts for
this
> application as does Advance Adapters and at least one other company I
can't
> think of right now.


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From: prozelloaielectronics.com (OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell)
Subject: Frame Painting
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 13:07:42 -0600


You may want to try Zolatone. This is sprayable, doesn't need UV coating for
protection against sun light and is very tough. It is used in truck beds(not
the rubberized kind) and comes in an array of colors. A search of the web
should take you to several sights on the paint and the application of it.

Paul
65 F100 460 C6


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From: "Christopher Worley" hotmail.com>
Subject: 67 Restore Project
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 11:35:50 PST

I have began the restore project on my 67 F100, I am pulling the engine and
the question I have is: can I just unbolt the bell housing from the tranny
or do I have to unbolt the tranny from the housing, the problem I am having
is that I have the bell housing unbolted but it seems to be hanging, the
tranny has separated from the engine I can see all of the pins, please help
me, the only trannies I have dealt with are automatics, and hydrolic clutch
standards.


Chris
72 F100 390 (Blown Head Gasket)(next project)
67 F100 352 (it will leave again)

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From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" visteon.com>
Subject: Re: 67 Restore Project
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 14:51:28 -0500

What tranny? If it's a manual you have to keep it lined up all the way out
or the input shaft will bind....... If you don't take off the inspection
plate and pull all the bolts from the engine/tranny gasket or spacer plate
it will hit the flywheel.....If you don't remove the shifter it will hang up
on the floor.......if you don't disconnect the clutch rod from the arm it
will.........and then there's.........

I know most of this is pretty obvious but I recall having the inspection
plate hang me up on one of my first attempts.......I would guess you are
having trouble with the input shaft caught in the clutch disk somewhere so
you need a tranny jack to support it so you can level it and pull it
straight out :-) It takes very little to cause it to bind in such a way
that a jack couldn't pull it out.

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

>is that I have the bell housing unbolted but it seems to be
>hanging, the
>tranny has separated from the engine I can see all of the

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From: "Christopher Worley" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 67 Restore Project
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 13:46:42 PST

Gary wrote:

If you don't take off the inspection
plate and pull all the bolts from the engine/tranny gasket or spacer plate
it will hit the flywheel

Thanks Gary you were right on the nose. Didn't even dawn on me until I got
your email. Came right out after removing the ispection plate.

Chris
67 F100
72 F100
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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 13:57:24 -0800
From: John Lord home.com>
Subject: Is anyone posting

i havent seen mail in days since the new server went up
Is it just me?


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From: "NP 540" hotmail.com>
Subject: 351M-400 magazine article
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 15:27:47 PST

Hello there!
I was at the book store a few days ago. There is this magazine;
"Hot-Rod Engines", on the racks, and in it is a reprint of that
excellent 400M ford engine buildup, the same article that appeared
in Hot-Rod about a year ago. There is also a Cadillac 500 buildup.
That magazine's cover is green. Get it while you can, if you like
351M-400 Ford engines!!

Gerry
NP540hotmail.com

Vive le FORD!
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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 19:20:29 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: listar filtering problems

At 05:37 AM 2/7/00 -0800, you wrote:
>has anyone have problems trying to filter the incoming posts? i
>can't seem to get them sent to my ford file anymore... i
>changed all the info in preferences and no joy. now my inbox
>gets all the mail, and it takes forever to weed it all out!

Just change the filter from "FTE 61-79" to "61-79-list"

Ken



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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 19:27:53 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Posting notes

At 06:31 AM 2/7/00 -0800, you wrote:
>Ken Payne writes:
> > Listar, our new mailing server, enforces quoting limits.
>
>Hi Ken, thanks for all your efforts. I've got the FTE DT's, bad.
>
>What is the rule that is enforced by liststar?

No more than 40 line blocks without a reply. Example:

20 lines original
2 lines reply
35 lines original
3 lines reply

.... will go through.

42 lines original
5 lines reply
10 lines original

.... will not go through.

>One little piece of user feedback. I am subscribed in digest2
>mode and I am only getting the digests.

You are subscribed digest and digest2. You never unsub'd
digest. Everything in the database is either on or off.
You need to turn off digest to get live and turn on digest2
to get the digest in addition. Its going to take a while
to get used to this and eventually the FAQ will cover it.

Ken



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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 19:33:47 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Ken Payne is "The Man"

At 09:08 AM 2/7/00 -0700, you wrote:
>Yo Ken:
>
>Thanks so much for all your time you put into the server swap. So far, I am
>pleased w/ everything about the new list software, particularly the ability to
>filter out excessive quotes.

A Juno/Yahoo style footer strip filter will be installed soon.

>I'm hassling w/ UNIX/NT permissions at work on a regular basis nowadays, and I
>know what a royal pain it can be. You have done a great job on this list and I
>am simply thrilled to have the digest back again.

You ain't kidding. The sendmail server runs as root, the list server
not root, some files have to be in the list server group, some
in the list server group but readable by all... and so on. Plus
there is a global config file and individual list configs. Then
the nightmare of figuring out how to import 5600+ members into the
new user databases. A couple of occasions I came real close to
losing it at 3 am.

Ken



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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 19:51:53 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Quoting limits

Quoting limits have been removed until I can get the bugs
worked out.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 17:04:17 -0800
From: CLAUDE JONES phonewave.net>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: All lists are back up

Thanks Ken :o) :o) :o)
Its running A-OK as far as I can tell. I and the rest of the list
members appreciate all your hard work!!!! Well, at least I do haha :o)

Claude
66' F250 352 4spd


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From: WEDIVE247aol.com
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 20:45:49 EST
Subject: Re: 429 in a '65 F-100

In a message dated 2/7/2000 12:40:53 PM EST, prozelloaielectronics.com
writes:

<< I
am still trying to find out if there is a way to install a real 460 mount. I
have to admit that this is probably not the proper way to install a 429
motor or a 460 in a 65. But mine has been on the road reliably for 4 to 5
years since swapping the power plant. >>


Hey Paul & Darryl, I've managed to install a 460 in my 64 by
using the cross member that I bought from Bob's f100 catalog . The cross
member cost 110.00 and the motor mounts were 69.00 . It worked great and all
bolted together like it was meant to be . Give them a call (909) 681-1956
and ask for a catalog . The guys there are very helpful and can answer almost
any question . Hope this helps..



Steve 64 f-100 460 ci

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From: WEDIVE247aol.com
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 20:51:22 EST
Subject: Re: 429 in a '65 F-100

In a message dated 2/7/2000 1:26:54 PM EST, gpeters3visteon.com writes:

<< or buy headers like the rest
of us :-)

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, >>

Ok slick where might I find headers to fit my 64 with a 460 in it ??
Headers for a 460 are somewhat tuff to come by .

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From: "Hogan, Tom" kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: FRAME PAINTING
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 17:59:13 -0800


> The final step was the epoxy primer. It dried hard and had a
> shine to it. It
> looked good so I didn't put any paint on top of it.
>
> I didn't have the truck long after that... But last I heard
> it still looked
> good.
>
> Harry.

I had a friend redoing his 455 T/A. He was from Iowa and had some rust on
the underside. He went with epoxy primer on the frame. Later he showed me
what looked like a hockey puck. About the same hardness too. It was the
left over primer that had dried in his mixing can. Man that stuff was
tough.

Tom H

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From: "Hogan, Tom" kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: IRS ADVICE
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 17:59:14 -0800


> IRS ADVICE
>
> I am looking to install an IRS under my truck. Has anyone
> here done anything
> like this? I am thinking of using an IRS from a T-bird and
> maybe using the
> stock truck springs. Any advice on widths and such?

I don't think the IRS from a T-bird would be rugged enough to hold up. I do
remember of a company in Colorado i think that built up jaguar (leagal to
say here since Ford owns them right?) type IRS using a Ford 9 inch rear that
they shortened to almost nothing and then added U-joints and half shafts.
That was several years ago and I don't know if they are still around.

Tom H.

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From: JUMPINFORDaol.com
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:01:11 EST
Subject: Re: IRS ADVICE

In a message dated 2/7/00 10:20:31 AM Pacific Standard Time,
gpeters3visteon.com writes:

<< All of this can be overcome with enough cash however :-) >>

I suppose this is also good advice against the IRS huh?

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"

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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 20:37:47 -0500
From: Brad mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: IRS ADVICE

At 12:01 PM 02/07/2000 CST, you wrote:
>IRS ADVICE
>
>I am looking to install an IRS under my truck. Has anyone here done anything
>like this? I am thinking of using an IRS from a T-bird and maybe using the
>stock truck springs. Any advice on widths and such?

All that I can tell you is that the IRS in a T-Bird is an 8.8", and that if
you use it there will have to be some major mods, b/c the T-bird obviously
is not as wide... You may want to just use the diff. from the t-bird and
hae an axle shop fabricate some axles for you at the right length... Good
luck, would make some serious handling improvements!!

Brad



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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 18:03:22 -0800
From: scott ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Ungrateful

>Ken, the new list S****!

One word comes to mind - uns*bscribe -

>Have you ever seen the list on Stovebolt (sorry) site?

I may have.One night I was searching for "Trucks" and I
believe some ch*vy sites came up by mistake.

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From: JUMPINFORDaol.com
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:24:52 EST
Subject: All hail Ken!

Lookin Great Ken, Take a few days and get some rest. And dont sweat it if
there is a problem, we all own Fords, Im sure they'll keep runnin without
FTE's help for a lil while. Hell, Tweety's motor wont be ready for months to
come, she can wait. Thanks for all the effort, your a man among men.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety" (1700 hard miles on a shattered piston)

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From: OldTruxaol.com
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:30:24 EST
Subject: Re: Ungrateful

In a message dated 2/7/00 8:10:41 PM Central Standard Time,
scottford-trucks.com writes:

> Ken, the new list S****!
>
> One word comes to mind - uns*bscribe -
>
> >Have you ever seen the list on Stovebolt (sorry) site?
>
> I may have.One night I was searching for "Trucks" and I
> believe some ch*vy sites came up by mistake.

Bye Scott. Thanks Ken!!

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