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Received: with LISTAR (v0.128a; list 61-79-list); Mon, 07 Feb 2000 21:28:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 21:28:19 -0500 (EST) From: Ford Truck Enthusiasts List Server To: 61-79-list digest users Reply-to: 61-79-list  ford-trucks.com Subject: 61-79-list Digest V1 #2003 Precedence: bulk ========================================================== Ford Truck Enthusiasts 1961-1979 Truck Mailing List Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ 61-79-list Digest Mon, 07 Feb 2000 Volume: 01 Issue: 2003 In This Issue: Re: 86 front axel problem need help Speaker Size for 71 F100 A dumb joke for all your classic car/truck friends Re: I'm a Dad///Ford trucks/Winter Re: Frame painting Re: I'm a Dad Re: Listar commands, a test I tried :-) Re: Speaker Size for 71 F100 Test Re: Listar commands, a test I tried :-) listar filtering problems attempted wheel theft Re: ADMIN: Posting notes new list server/posting notes 429 in a '65 F-100 Re: sanity BRAKES setup part 1 steering wheel paint/resto? BRAKES! setup part 2 Re: BRAKES! setup part 2 Re: BRAKES! setup part 2 '78 460 CRANK SPECS? Ken Payne is "The Man" Re: BRAKES! setup part 2 Bill's brake troubles..... Re: 429 in a '65 F-100 Re: FRAME PAINTING IRS ADVICE Re: IRS ADVICE Re: 429 in a '65 F-100 Well, I give up.....:_( Re: 429 in a '65 F-100 Frame Painting 67 Restore Project Re: 67 Restore Project Re: 67 Restore Project Is anyone posting 351M-400 magazine article Re: listar filtering problems Re: ADMIN: Posting notes Re: Ken Payne is "The Man" ADMIN: Quoting limits Re: ADMIN: All lists are back up Re: 429 in a '65 F-100 Re: 429 in a '65 F-100 Re: FRAME PAINTING Re: IRS ADVICE Re: IRS ADVICE Re: IRS ADVICE Ungrateful All hail Ken! Re: Ungrateful ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 22:10:45 -0800 From: Jason Derra Subject: Re: 86 front axel problem need help It comes out with the differential and is held in with a c clip (If I remember correctly) Jason mdennis wrote: > I have an 86 F150 4x4 and the slip yoke went bad on the front right side axel. I > got the outer part of the axel out but the short stub axle that fits into the > differential seems to be stuck tight. Does this pull out like on the 79's or are > there some type of clip holding the axel in the diff? I made a slide hammer, > hooked it up and used a 25lb weight to try and pull it but it wouldn't budge. > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with > the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the body of the > message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 22:22:15 -0800 From: Tim Bowman Subject: Speaker Size for 71 F100 Does anyone know the actual size of the factory speaker in a 71 F100? I need to replace mine but I don't want to pull the radio and then determine the speaker size. Besides the factory AM-FM is a pretty tight fight in there. -- Tim Bowman Burien, WA tkbowman uswest.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 01:46:09 -0500 From: "Don Haring, Jr." Subject: A dumb joke for all your classic car/truck friends The following is a true story ... you old car and truck owners might appreciate this story if you've ever had to answer the question "what year is that?" (and who hasn't?) I was driving home from dinner tonight when a drunk street guy approached my Falcon van. I'm used to such events, so I rolled down the window when he motioned to do so. Excitedly, he asked, "what year is this?" and I quickly said, "1966." He laughed and said, "no, it's 2000!" -don -- Don in Philadelphia Internet Director, Keystone Chapter FCA | 66 Falcon Deluxe Club Wagon Falconaut: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://fedora.net/falconaut | 61 Falcon Futura Keystone: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://fedora.net/falconkey | classic scooters and bicycles ------------------------------ From: "Jerry Godsey" Subject: Re: I'm a Dad///Ford trucks/Winter Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 23:31:28 -0800 Congratulations, Joe. Yesterday my oldest son and I put brakes in my 95 Aerostar, then put a thermostat in his 88 F-150, then took my 65 Econoline, the van and my truck to wash them all. In all, a pretty good day with my boy. Children are indeed a gift from God. Enjoy your to the fullest! Blessings, Jerry Godsey www.geocities.com/heartland/meadows/4275 ------------------------------ From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: Re: Frame painting Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 07:01:54 -0500 Well, I laid out a good post on this last week but due to flat earth, it fell off the edge so........ Unless you plan to have it blasted at a full frame, shell blasting facility for big bucks I would recommend you use a needle gun on it first. It will knock off all the large chunks of dirt/rust buildup that a blaster has trouble cleaning up along with virtually all the loose rust so the blaster will only have to "polish" it up and you will then have very little rust to paint over. Pay close attention to the interfaces of the cross members etc. since they will harbor grease and other stuff that will bleed out into your finish and damage it, allowing rust to begin again. Many of the gang recommend POR-15 for this as it is hard and does control the rest but it has to be top coated to prevent sun damage I understand. Eastwood also sells Corroless which does the same thing but comes in colors. -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- >I sent this message earlier but I think it went to electron >heaven >I am redoing a 79 302/C6 2wd and need to sandblast the frame. >Anyone have a >good tip on what kind of (idiotproof) paint I should spray it ------------------------------ From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: Re: I'm a Dad Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 07:13:43 -0500 I agree except in my case I wind up doing it while they are at work or sick or in the hospital or......Just pulled my son's AOD from his 92 F-150 with no help because he chose to have Psoriasis at precisely the time I needed his help and can't walk due to cracked feet........He was going to pay someone to do it but has no money......go figure??? Don't know how he planned to handle that but he didn't plan on running into a deer and trashing his tranny either....(drove it with a busted cooler and didn't bother to check it first after the accident) Oil looks like tar and poured out about like that too..... I tell you, old age is no fun but there are some advantages, like wisdom, understanding, knowledge etc.....What's fun is being able to impart that to our offspring some day, hopefully "before" they need it and thus learn it for themselves, the hard way like we did :-) -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- >Congratulations Joe!! > I know that it's great having my sons helping me with my truck and me >helping them with thier cars! We've learned alot together and have had >alot of fun in the process too. :o) Again congrats to you and your >wife... > >cjones (gizmo) >66' F250 352 4spd ------------------------------ From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: Re: Listar commands, a test I tried :-) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 07:48:30 -0500 Ken didn't put all the list names in his post but they are still there. I put "lists" in the subject line with no message body and also "lists" in the body with no subject line and they both worked, I got the list of lists and it is the same as before. Just thought I'd pass that along :-) Also, when he says "trim your posts" he really means it. I trim my posts pretty well, I thought, but I got an error message already today but don't know which response generated the error. I've already allerted Ken to this problem. -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- ------------------------------ From: tfreeman murphyfarms.com Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 08:16:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Speaker Size for 71 F100 I believe it's physical size a 5x7. I don't know about the power rating though. -Ted Does anyone know the actual size of the factory speaker in a 71 F100? I need to replace mine but I don't want to pull the radio and then determine the speaker size. Besides the factory AM-FM is a pretty tight fight in there. -- Tim Bowman Burien, WA tkbowman uswest.net ========================================================== To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the body of the message. ------------------------------ From: prozell oaielectronics.com (OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell) Subject: Test Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 07:34:57 -0600 Just wanted to make sure the list is working. Paul 65 F100 460 C6 Trying to acquire a 66 F100 Short Wide. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 07:26:10 -0500 From: Ken Payne Subject: Re: Listar commands, a test I tried :-) At 07:48 AM 2/7/00 -0500, you wrote: >Ken didn't put all the list names in his post but they are still there. I >put "lists" in the subject line with no message body and also "lists" in the >body with no subject line and they both worked, I got the list of lists and >it is the same as before. Just thought I'd pass that along :-) > >Also, when he says "trim your posts" he really means it. I trim my posts >pretty well, I thought, but I got an error message already today but don't >know which response generated the error. I've already allerted Ken to this >problem. > >-- >Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, >78 Bronco Loving, Gary I've increased the trim limits this morning. Apparently they are way too restrictive. Anything over 40 lines in a block of text will trip it now. You can still post 80 lines, 100, etc. But no more than 40 without a reply in it. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 05:37:33 -0800 (PST) From: "D. DiMartino" Subject: listar filtering problems has anyone have problems trying to filter the incoming posts? i can't seem to get them sent to my ford file anymore... i changed all the info in preferences and no joy. now my inbox gets all the mail, and it takes forever to weed it all out! ===== Daniel DiMartino 1968 F-250 soon to be a 4x4 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 08:21:37 -0600 Subject: attempted wheel theft From: "John LaGrone" >> he said all my lugnuts were loosened except for the one that locks my tire<< Lisa, Sorry to hear about your wheels. You made me glad I spent $22 for the locking lug nuts, though. No list for a week. It's a wonder I'm still sane....or am I? Was I ever? -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-) 1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ From: draco pacifier.com Subject: Re: ADMIN: Posting notes Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 06:31:20 -0800 (PST) Ken Payne writes: > Listar, our new mailing server, enforces quoting limits. Hi Ken, thanks for all your efforts. I've got the FTE DT's, bad. What is the rule that is enforced by liststar? I once had to live with one that would not allow me to post a message to usenet unless the number of new lines were more than the number of quoted lines. This was fine most of the time, but there were times when it just didn't work. Thankfully that one didn't last long. I am all for trimming posts, but that was a little extreme. One little piece of user feedback. I am subscribed in digest2 mode and I am only getting the digests. Mark in Southwest Washington (about to test the "vacation" mode) http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacifier.com/~draco/Truck.html -- '74 F-100 Ranger XLT 4X4 in digest mode ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 08:33:34 -0600 Subject: new list server/posting notes From: "John LaGrone" >>I just put in 70 hours last week getting the lists back up with all the current subscriber, in addition to my job and as a response you send a message to the entire list telling me it s**ks? Great attitude. << Bravo, Ken!!!! The new server is wonderful, but nowhere near as wonderful as you are. It just so happens the FTE meltdown coincided with a Sprint meltdown coincided with a meltdown at work. I'm glad it's all working again. Everyone won't say it, but you are our hero, Ken. With FTE you have filled a vacant spot in our lives. We can never thank you enough. Long live King Ken, Lord and Master of FTE!!!!!! -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com <]:-) <]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-)<]:-) 1979 F150 Custom, Long Wide Bed, Regular Cab, 351M, C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! ------------------------------ From: Dlkiehl aol.com Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 09:49:58 EST Subject: 429 in a '65 F-100 I have a '71 Ford 429 with a C6 automatic and a 1965 F100 with a dead 352. How difficult would it be to put the 429 and auto in the F100? Darryl Kiehl ------------------------------ From: "William S. Hart" Subject: Re: sanity Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 08:57:36 -0600 > No list for a week. It's a wonder I'm still sane....or am I? Was I ever? > "You're not going mad, you're going sane in an insane world ...." - The Tick. John, as usual you've summed up my thoughts exactly :) Its great to be back so I'm not "flying blind" again when I go to start a project (I'll have another post about that). Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish ------------------------------ From: "William S. Hart" Subject: BRAKES setup part 1 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 09:27:10 -0600 Well just before the server went kerplooey, some of you got email that I was working on switching to a true 4x4 master cylinder on my truck instead of the wonderful 4x2 cylinders that I was blowing out every 6 mo. or so. I got a master cylinder for a 76 in anticipation of my disc brake swap, and then proceeded to try and find a bench bleeding kit. Apparently they don't come with them anymore. I took an old piece of line that I wasn't going to use that also miraculously had the right size ends on it. Cut that piece and turned it into a bench bleeding kit ... though I used it on the truck instead of removing it again (this was out of order but a tip for you guys starting at the beginning :) I had trouble getting brake lines to fit into the master cylinder, and being that the fittings were on the pass. side instead of the driver's side it meant some re-plumbing was in order. Getting the old ones out was a pain in the rear ... it sounded (and felt) like he used loc-tite on the lower side of the fittings. Well through the miraculous use of some Vice-Grips (yes they were brand name :) I was able to get the fittings at the junction block loose, and one of the tubes out so I could put the new one in, it actually had both ends the exact same size (5/16ths if I remember right 30" of length was just a shade too much.), and while I started using a tubing bender, I was able to bend about 75% of it by hand without any kinks (its not kinky :). This email can't begin to convey the frustration during or satisfaction of completing the job, but I have several questions for you guys in a following message. Just wanted to setup things to try and stay under the limits of the list too. Try 2 at splitting it ...34 lines last time and it didn't work ... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish ------------------------------ From: "Southerland, Rich" Subject: steering wheel paint/resto? Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 07:36:23 -0800 A little voice told me I should stop by the local self-service dismantler on the way to work this AM. Of course I obeyed. Found a nice steering wheel for dad's '67, complete with horn ring. Only one small crack. Problem is, it's tan(?). Dad's is black. For $5, I couldn't leave it there. It's not a show truck by any means. Anyone had good luck painting these and getting the paint to last? Thought about using some JB Weld to fill the crack and then sanding it down and painting over it. Any other ideas? Thanks in advance! Rich (There was a pretty complete '65 there, even still had a factory radio in it!) ------------------------------ From: "William S. Hart" Subject: BRAKES! setup part 2 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 09:45:36 -0600 conitinued : 1) How do you guys deal with brake lines requiring different sized fittings on either end ? I lucked out and the new MC used the same size for the rear brakes on both sides, but the other side is a huge difference (wrench sizes of 5/8ths on top and 5/16ths on the bottom!) Thoughts on that, as the guy used really long tubing to do this job and there's a loop in it I'd like to take out, but would like a new line too ... 2) After everything was bled out the brakes were firm, but of course starting it and bringing the power booster into play made them a shade squishier, but also increased pedal travel. I adjusted the "nub" out a quarter of a turn and now without the booster travel is almost non exsistant (I should probably put it back in an eigth) but with the engine running its back to a few inches ... I'd like to get it cut down a bit more, once they catch they come on hard, but it seems like too much travel, any thoughts/suggestions ??? 3) has anyone found a replacement brake hose for a D44 front end ? The kind with the axle vent holding the axle side of things and a nice square fitting on the other end that bolts to the frame ??? Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish ------------------------------ From: "Southerland, Rich" Subject: Re: BRAKES! setup part 2 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 07:55:05 -0800 <<1) How do you guys deal with brake lines requiring different sized fittings on either end ?>> The master we got for dad's 67 PB conversion had adapter fittings already installed. Turned out one was different so back to the store we went. $1.79 bought us a brass adapter made specifically for this purpose. Most good parts stores should have a selection of these adapters. < I've seen this done quite often, sometimes having several full loops. I always thought this was to allow some flexing. Am I wrong on this? Rich ------------------------------ From: "William S. Hart" Subject: Re: BRAKES! setup part 2 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 10:02:03 -0600 > The master we got for dad's 67 PB conversion had adapter fittings already > installed. Mine also came with one of these and that's the only reason the truck is running today, but I just look at adapters as something else to leak or break and would like the factory look of not using them at all in the end ... > I've seen this done quite often, sometimes having several full loops. I > always thought this was to allow some flexing. Am I wrong on this? The only time I've used a loop is when I had waaaay too much pipe and needed to take out the slack, there should be some in there for slack I suppose, but you shouldn't need enough slack that you have to loop it in there ... maybe others have different theories on it ? Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish ------------------------------ From: "Matthew Schwartz" Subject: '78 460 CRANK SPECS? Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 11:08:58 -0500 I have had problems with an auto tranny and the tranny shop is now considering that the crank may be blowing out the front pump on a C6. They are to measure the crank flange runout and crank endplay specs. Can anyone provide me those specs for a 460 crank? I would like to know what the specs are when they call me with the results. Thanks ------------------------------ From: "Dave Resch" Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 09:08:36 -0700 Subject: Ken Payne is "The Man" Yo Ken: Thanks so much for all your time you put into the server swap. So far, I am pleased w/ everything about the new list software, particularly the ability to filter out excessive quotes. I'm hassling w/ UNIX/NT permissions at work on a regular basis nowadays, and I know what a royal pain it can be. You have done a great job on this list and I am simply thrilled to have the digest back again. Thousands of us silently appreciate the FTE lists, day-in day-out, w/out a second thought as to the work involved in maintaining such a high caliber operation as you have, and we all benefit from it. Thank you, thank you, thank you. FTE Rules!!! Dave R (M-block devotee) ------------------------------ From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: Re: BRAKES! setup part 2 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 11:16:15 -0500 All stock, new vehicles I've had have this loop in the brake line near the MC. Purpose is a bit shadowy in my head but shock under emergency braking is the only thing I can come up with. I was desperate with the bronco so I took out everything that could conceiveably cause mush including this loop but it makes no difference. It's supposed to be there for some reason only known to engineers but it probably has a good reason for being there. When I redo the lines I will add it back in since it had absolutely no affect on the much either way. -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- >The only time I've used a loop is when I had waaaay too much >pipe and needed >to take out the slack, there should be some in there for slack >I suppose, ------------------------------ From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: Bill's brake troubles..... Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 12:11:40 -0500 Well, Bill, I've tried twice now to respond to your 3 points and between downed servers and picky new software just don't seem to be having much luck :-( Mr. Lis*tar.......this is not a reply so please don't cut me off!!! 1..You've alreadyt replied that you are aware of the adapters but I have not seen any "stock" MC fittings available in the after market yet so adapters are all we have AFAIK 2..With older disk setups using older MC designs you will have to have a proportioning valve which contains the residual valve needed for the front disk brake calipers. Due to the size of the pistons in the calipers the pads must be kept very close to the rotor to prevent excessive movement when brake is applied or the MC will run out of travel before good bite is achieved. This is what the residual valve does and it's only found in the stock proportioning valve on these older models. newer ones have this built into some other part of the system but they are still there. 3..The Superlift lines I got for the bronco have the junction blocks built in. There are others as well but that's what used. -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- ------------------------------ From: prozell oaielectronics.com (OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell)Subject: Re: 429 in a '65 F-100 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 11:48:32 -0600 Darryl, I have a 65 F100 with a 460 in it. Originally the truck had a 352 in it. I am not sure if there are any parts on the market for swapping in a motor like a 429 in a 65 truck. There were none when I did my swap and I don't think there was any available. The hardest part I had with the conversion was the motor and tranny mounts. I am still wanting to fabricate a tranny cross member out of tubular steel. We used the tranny cross member from the 352, drilled holes where we needed them and bolted the C6 up to the old cross member. As for motor mounts I used the existing towers and used the old 352 engine mounts, by drilling holes that would match up to the 460. I am still trying to find out if there is a way to install a real 460 mount. I have to admit that this is probably not the proper way to install a 429 motor or a 460 in a 65. But mine has been on the road reliably for 4 to 5 years since swapping the power plant. Paul 65 F100 460 C6. Trying to acquire a 66 F100 shortwide. ------------------------------ From: "PitStop Performance" Subject: Re: FRAME PAINTING Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 11:58:13 CST >I sent this message earlier but I think it went to electron heaven >owing >to server switchover. Hope it doesn't pop up again later. > >I am redoing a 79 302/C6 2wd and need to sandblast the frame. Anyone >have >a good tip on what kind of (idiotproof) paint I should spray it >with after >cleaning it up? I am looking for something that would work >over some rust >and stop it in its tracks. > Last time I painted a frame I used a black epoxy primer. The local paint shop said it would be the best for painting over a surface that may not be 100% rust free (such as a frame). It cost a little more, but it doesn't take a whole lot. What I did was sand blast the frame (had it done... guy spent too much time getting the top and left junk on bottom... where you see it...), sand and gring more where sand blast guy missed. Then I used a bottle of acid wash stuff. I just mixed it with water and sprayed it one. Eats away any left over rust. Only about $10 or so for this stuff. The final step was the epoxy primer. It dried hard and had a shine to it. It looked good so I didn't put any paint on top of it. I didn't have the truck long after that... But last I heard it still looked good. Harry. ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: "PitStop Performance" Subject: IRS ADVICE Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 12:01:07 CST IRS ADVICE I am looking to install an IRS under my truck. Has anyone here done anything like this? I am thinking of using an IRS from a T-bird and maybe using the stock truck springs. Any advice on widths and such? ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: Re: IRS ADVICE Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 13:19:32 -0500 Only advice I'll offer is that a tbird rear axle setup isn't strong enough for a truck. First good load you get on it you'll be twisting the axles off :-( Even just the weight of the vehicles is enough different to pose a threat to the integrety of these axles IMHO if you attach it to a decent V8.....like the 460 for instance :-) I haven't actually measured it but I suspect it is enough narrower that it would be a tough fit and they have 5 on 5 lug patterns too so would not fit your truck wheels. All of this can be overcome with enough cash however :-) -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- >like this? I am thinking of using an IRS from a T-bird and ------------------------------ From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: Re: 429 in a '65 F-100 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 13:25:42 -0500 429 and 460 are the same in every way externally. L&L makes mounts for this application as does Advance Adapters and at least one other company I can't think of right now. The tranny mount should be the easiest part since there are only two bolts interfacing with the tranny itself. Drive shaft length is an issue as is the exhaust as there are two different manifolds for cars and trucks and you will need the truck version or buy headers like the rest of us :-) -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- >am still trying to find out if there is a way to install a >real 460 mount. I >have to admit that this is probably not the proper way to install a 429 ------------------------------ From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: Well, I give up.....:_( Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 13:48:14 -0500 I've tried every trick I can think of and Lis*tar keeps kicking me out so I'm not replying any more, just going to make new posts and try to keep the gist of the thread intact somehow :-( -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- ------------------------------ From: prozell oaielectronics.com (OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell)Subject: Re: 429 in a '65 F-100 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 13:04:50 -0600 Gary, I should have known who to ask. Hey does any one of these companies have a web site??? The tranny mount was very easy. But that was really the only problems other than driveshaft and exhaust that I ran into. The drive shaft I had made, and the exhaust I also had installed new. So I personally didn't have to mess with it. the only problem was driving to the exhaust shop, the open headers on a 460 can make some heads turn??!!! Paul 65 F100 460 C6 > 429 and 460 are the same in every way externally. L&L makes mounts for this > application as does Advance Adapters and at least one other company I can't > think of right now. ------------------------------ From: prozell oaielectronics.com (OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell)Subject: Frame Painting Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 13:07:42 -0600 You may want to try Zolatone. This is sprayable, doesn't need UV coating for protection against sun light and is very tough. It is used in truck beds(not the rubberized kind) and comes in an array of colors. A search of the web should take you to several sights on the paint and the application of it. Paul 65 F100 460 C6 ------------------------------ From: "Christopher Worley" Subject: 67 Restore Project Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 11:35:50 PST I have began the restore project on my 67 F100, I am pulling the engine and the question I have is: can I just unbolt the bell housing from the tranny or do I have to unbolt the tranny from the housing, the problem I am having is that I have the bell housing unbolted but it seems to be hanging, the tranny has separated from the engine I can see all of the pins, please help me, the only trannies I have dealt with are automatics, and hydrolic clutch standards. Chris 72 F100 390 (Blown Head Gasket)(next project) 67 F100 352 (it will leave again) ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: Re: 67 Restore Project Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 14:51:28 -0500 What tranny? If it's a manual you have to keep it lined up all the way out or the input shaft will bind....... If you don't take off the inspection plate and pull all the bolts from the engine/tranny gasket or spacer plate it will hit the flywheel.....If you don't remove the shifter it will hang up on the floor.......if you don't disconnect the clutch rod from the arm it will.........and then there's......... I know most of this is pretty obvious but I recall having the inspection plate hang me up on one of my first attempts.......I would guess you are having trouble with the input shaft caught in the clutch disk somewhere so you need a tranny jack to support it so you can level it and pull it straight out :-) It takes very little to cause it to bind in such a way that a jack couldn't pull it out. -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary -- >is that I have the bell housing unbolted but it seems to be >hanging, the >tranny has separated from the engine I can see all of the ------------------------------ From: "Christopher Worley" Subject: Re: 67 Restore Project Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 13:46:42 PST Gary wrote: If you don't take off the inspection plate and pull all the bolts from the engine/tranny gasket or spacer plate it will hit the flywheel Thanks Gary you were right on the nose. Didn't even dawn on me until I got your email. Came right out after removing the ispection plate. Chris 67 F100 72 F100 ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 13:57:24 -0800 From: John Lord Subject: Is anyone posting i havent seen mail in days since the new server went up Is it just me? ------------------------------ From: "NP 540" Subject: 351M-400 magazine article Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 15:27:47 PST Hello there! I was at the book store a few days ago. There is this magazine; "Hot-Rod Engines", on the racks, and in it is a reprint of that excellent 400M ford engine buildup, the same article that appeared in Hot-Rod about a year ago. There is also a Cadillac 500 buildup. That magazine's cover is green. Get it while you can, if you like 351M-400 Ford engines!! Gerry NP540 hotmail.comVive le FORD! ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 19:20:29 -0500 From: Ken Payne Subject: Re: listar filtering problems At 05:37 AM 2/7/00 -0800, you wrote: >has anyone have problems trying to filter the incoming posts? i >can't seem to get them sent to my ford file anymore... i >changed all the info in preferences and no joy. now my inbox >gets all the mail, and it takes forever to weed it all out! Just change the filter from "FTE 61-79" to "61-79-list" Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 19:27:53 -0500 From: Ken Payne Subject: Re: ADMIN: Posting notes At 06:31 AM 2/7/00 -0800, you wrote: >Ken Payne writes: > > Listar, our new mailing server, enforces quoting limits. > >Hi Ken, thanks for all your efforts. I've got the FTE DT's, bad. > >What is the rule that is enforced by liststar? No more than 40 line blocks without a reply. Example: 20 lines original 2 lines reply 35 lines original 3 lines reply .... will go through. 42 lines original 5 lines reply 10 lines original .... will not go through. >One little piece of user feedback. I am subscribed in digest2 >mode and I am only getting the digests. You are subscribed digest and digest2. You never unsub'd digest. Everything in the database is either on or off. You need to turn off digest to get live and turn on digest2 to get the digest in addition. Its going to take a while to get used to this and eventually the FAQ will cover it. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 19:33:47 -0500 From: Ken Payne Subject: Re: Ken Payne is "The Man" At 09:08 AM 2/7/00 -0700, you wrote: >Yo Ken: > >Thanks so much for all your time you put into the server swap. So far, I am >pleased w/ everything about the new list software, particularly the ability to >filter out excessive quotes. A Juno/Yahoo style footer strip filter will be installed soon. >I'm hassling w/ UNIX/NT permissions at work on a regular basis nowadays, and I >know what a royal pain it can be. You have done a great job on this list and I >am simply thrilled to have the digest back again. You ain't kidding. The sendmail server runs as root, the list server not root, some files have to be in the list server group, some in the list server group but readable by all... and so on. Plus there is a global config file and individual list configs. Then the nightmare of figuring out how to import 5600+ members into the new user databases. A couple of occasions I came real close to losing it at 3 am. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 19:51:53 -0500 From: Ken Payne Subject: ADMIN: Quoting limits Quoting limits have been removed until I can get the bugs worked out. Ken Payne Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 17:04:17 -0800 From: CLAUDE JONES Subject: Re: ADMIN: All lists are back up Thanks Ken :o) :o) :o) Its running A-OK as far as I can tell. I and the rest of the list members appreciate all your hard work!!!! Well, at least I do haha :o) Claude 66' F250 352 4spd ------------------------------ From: WEDIVE247 aol.comDate: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 20:45:49 EST Subject: Re: 429 in a '65 F-100 In a message dated 2/7/2000 12:40:53 PM EST, prozell oaielectronics.comwrites: << I am still trying to find out if there is a way to install a real 460 mount. I have to admit that this is probably not the proper way to install a 429 motor or a 460 in a 65. But mine has been on the road reliably for 4 to 5 years since swapping the power plant. >> Hey Paul & Darryl, I've managed to install a 460 in my 64 by using the cross member that I bought from Bob's f100 catalog . The cross member cost 110.00 and the motor mounts were 69.00 . It worked great and all bolted together like it was meant to be . Give them a call (909) 681-1956and ask for a catalog . The guys there are very helpful and can answer almost any question . Hope this helps.. Steve 64 f-100 460 ci ------------------------------ From: WEDIVE247 aol.comDate: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 20:51:22 EST Subject: Re: 429 in a '65 F-100 In a message dated 2/7/2000 1:26:54 PM EST, gpeters3 visteon.com writes:<< or buy headers like the rest of us :-) -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, >> Ok slick where might I find headers to fit my 64 with a 460 in it ?? Headers for a 460 are somewhat tuff to come by . ------------------------------ From: "Hogan, Tom" Subject: Re: FRAME PAINTING Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 17:59:13 -0800 > The final step was the epoxy primer. It dried hard and had a > shine to it. It > looked good so I didn't put any paint on top of it. > > I didn't have the truck long after that... But last I heard > it still looked > good. > > Harry. I had a friend redoing his 455 T/A. He was from Iowa and had some rust on the underside. He went with epoxy primer on the frame. Later he showed me what looked like a hockey puck. About the same hardness too. It was the left over primer that had dried in his mixing can. Man that stuff was tough. Tom H ------------------------------ From: "Hogan, Tom" Subject: Re: IRS ADVICE Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 17:59:14 -0800 > IRS ADVICE > > I am looking to install an IRS under my truck. Has anyone > here done anything > like this? I am thinking of using an IRS from a T-bird and > maybe using the > stock truck springs. Any advice on widths and such? I don't think the IRS from a T-bird would be rugged enough to hold up. I do remember of a company in Colorado i think that built up jaguar (leagal to say here since Ford owns them right?) type IRS using a Ford 9 inch rear that they shortened to almost nothing and then added U-joints and half shafts. That was several years ago and I don't know if they are still around. Tom H. ------------------------------ From: JUMPINFORD aol.comDate: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:01:11 EST Subject: Re: IRS ADVICE In a message dated 2/7/00 10:20:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, gpeters3 visteon.com writes:<< All of this can be overcome with enough cash however :-) >> I suppose this is also good advice against the IRS huh? Darrell Duggan 74 F-350 "Tweety" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 20:37:47 -0500 From: Brad Subject: Re: IRS ADVICE At 12:01 PM 02/07/2000 CST, you wrote: >IRS ADVICE > >I am looking to install an IRS under my truck. Has anyone here done anything >like this? I am thinking of using an IRS from a T-bird and maybe using the >stock truck springs. Any advice on widths and such? All that I can tell you is that the IRS in a T-Bird is an 8.8", and that if you use it there will have to be some major mods, b/c the T-bird obviously is not as wide... You may want to just use the diff. from the t-bird and hae an axle shop fabricate some axles for you at the right length... Good luck, would make some serious handling improvements!! Brad ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 18:03:22 -0800 From: scott Subject: Ungrateful >Ken, the new list S****! One word comes to mind - uns*bscribe - >Have you ever seen the list on Stovebolt (sorry) site? I may have.One night I was searching for "Trucks" and I believe some ch*vy sites came up by mistake. ------------------------------ From: JUMPINFORD aol.comDate: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:24:52 EST Subject: All hail Ken! Lookin Great Ken, Take a few days and get some rest. And dont sweat it if there is a problem, we all own Fords, Im sure they'll keep runnin without FTE's help for a lil while. Hell, Tweety's motor wont be ready for months to come, she can wait. Thanks for all the effort, your a man among men. Darrell Duggan 74 F-350 "Tweety" (1700 hard miles on a shattered piston) ------------------------------ From: OldTrux aol.comDate: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:30:24 EST Subject: Re: Ungrateful In a message dated 2/7/00 8:10:41 PM Central Standard Time, scott ford-trucks.com writes:> Ken, the new list S****! > > One word comes to mind - uns*bscribe - > > >Have you ever seen the list on Stovebolt (sorry) site? > > I may have.One night I was searching for "Trucks" and I > believe some ch*vy sites came up by mistake. Bye Scott. Thanks Ken!! ------------------------------ End of 61-79-list Digest V1 #2003 ********************************* ---------------------------------------------------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts 1961-1979 Truck Mailing List Send posts to small-list ford-trucks.comIf you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, send an email to: listar ford-trucks.comwith the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the subject of the message. 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