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 ford-trucks.com (61-79-list-digest) To: 61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com Subject: 61-79-list-digest V3 #468 Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Sender: owner-61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com Errors-To: owner-61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com Precedence: bulk 61-79-list-digest Tuesday, December 21 1999 Volume 03 : Number 468 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: RE: FTE 61-79 - cool EB project, and a sad ending RE: FTE 61-79 - Gas and P.cleaner RE: FTE 61-79 - One more time Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 250 van parts for 460 swap FTE 61-79 - Valve body FTE 61-79 - Porting 460 heads? RE: FTE 61-79 - C-6 and ATSG, what are these trannys? RE: FTE 61-79 - Valve body, Brain F*r*s... RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Poppong carb RE: FTE 61-79 - weird sights RE: FTE 61-79 - ENVY'S FIRST "OWWIE" RE: FTE 61-79 - Choke heater tube RE: FTE 61-79 - Toys and stuff.... RE: FTE 61-79 - Choke heater tube Re: FTE 61-79 - C-6 and ATSG, what are these trannys? FTE 61-79 - Salvage Yards in Winter RE: FTE 61-79 - Porting 460 heads? Re: FTE 61-79 - Ox runs rings around John RE: FTE 61-79 - Salvage Yards in Winter and Parts RE: FTE 61-79 - Sick C-6 Re: FTE 61-79 - Salvage Yards in Winter RE: FTE 61-79 - Choke heater tube RE: FTE 61-79 - Toys and stuff.... Re: FTE 61-79 - ENVY'S FIRST "OWWIE" RE: FTE 61-79 - Salvage Yards in Winter Re: FTE 61-79 - C-6 and ATSG, what are these trannys? Re: FTE 61-79 - Salvage Yards in Winter FTE 61-79 - FOR SALE Re: FTE 61-79 - FOR SALE Re: FTE 61-79 - PROBLEM: Leaking thermostat housing grrr Re: FTE 61-79 - Salvage Yards in Winter FTE 61-79 - Bumpers FTE 61-79 - 1962 4X4 Re: FTE 61-79 - Porting 460 heads? Re: FTE 61-79 - C-6 and ATSG, what are these trannys? Re: FTE 61-79 - Toys and stuff.... Re: FTE 61-79 - Sick C-6 FTE 61-79 - Annual AFTE/FTE charity event Re: FTE 61-79 - Salvage Yards in Winter and Parts Re: FTE 61-79 - Salvage Yards in Winter Re: FTE 61-79 - 73-79 Bed Found!!! Re: FTE 61-79 - C-6 and ATSG, what are these trannys? Re: FTE 61-79 - C-6 and ATSG, what are these trannys? Re: FTE 61-79 - Porting 460 heads? Re: FTE 61-79 - ENVY'S FIRST "OWWIE" ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 07:38:55 -0500 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - cool EB project, and a sad ending I nearly ran over my wife's $7000 electric wheel chair which I knew was there even....just forgot....fortunately I alway back up slowly now and felt the resistance in time to prevent damage...:-) It was plugged into the most convenient outlet right behind the bronco and next to the garage door. Interestingly enough, she went shopping last night with her cousin in a special, very expensive, handicap van and managed to break off the tilt lever somehow :-) I didn't even scratch it :-) - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > was back at the place, I went to back my Bronco out of the > garage and backed > right into my brother's little girlie rice burner. I was only rolling > backwards, not even in the throttle in the least, I even forgot I was > rolling, and then wammo....I crunched it! I guess that > deductible money > won't get used on my new clutch after all. Bummer-salad. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 07:47:34 -0500 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Gas and P.cleaner I'm going to call them this morning for advice on this. I have two 100 gal tanks. I did some calling last night and the best price/volume I could find was locally at TSC....5 gal for $40. Harbor freight had it for 7.99/gal and local auto parts had it for 9.99/gal. When you guys consider the "discount" prices offered at places like this don't forget that a gallon can will cost you about $7 to ship.....each.....bummer :-( You should always wear rubber gloves when using this stuff. It is very caustic and will pull every bit of the oil out of your skin and deeply too. I used to work with tolulene and there is no solvent I know of that is more dangerous to your skin. No amount of grease or lotion would protect me and I had to wear gloves religiously or suffer for it. Most of these solvents are more chemically active than even gasoline so beware...They may not light but they will burn....your skin :-( - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > Gas heaters are fast, yet require lots of gas for bigger > ones. They will > freeze-up small tanks and quit running. I use a 65 gal. tank with my > open-flame portable. It still freezes, but don't stop. I'ld > On the Mineral Spirits: My unit uses 20 gallons of this stuff, and you > can just buy gallons in Hdwe. store for $2.oo or less.One Warning: > My hands now have a rash which I think was from using this solvent > and now can't seem to get rid of it. Been to Doc's and such. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 08:18:40 -0500 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - One more time The steering box will only handle so much adjustment to the sector but there is another culprit, the input shaft bearing which had the big castleated sheet metal nut on the front of the steering box (or rear where the shaft goes in). If this "axial preload" adjustment gets loose you will have axial play which has the same effect as a loose sector. If wander is the real problem then check the king pins for binding. You should be able to disconnect the tie rods and move each of the wheels from lock to lock with one finger, if not your wander is most likely due to this. You can't tell with everything hooked up due to the mechanical advantage of the box but you will know the instant you try to move it with rod disconnected. The proportioning valve "Proportions" the pressure between the front and rear axles. Even on drum brakes the rear will lock up first if pressure is applied equally to both so the front must get the lion's share of the pressure or you will not get full braking power. In a disk brake setup it also contains a "Residual" valve which maintains a measured amount of pressure on the caliper pistons at all times to keep them close to the rotors. If this valve fails you will have to pump the brakes madly to get it to stop. Chatter is usually due to contamination on the shoes or drums or a loose suspension component or seriously bad bearings. I suppose a cracked drum or seriously warped drum could cause it as well, not sure but typically drum brakes won't chatter due to uneven wear like disks will but a little grease on the shoes will do it. Improperly installed or damaged brake hardware could do it too. - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > questions about > the 'metering' valve or the 'proportionalizer'- the "pressure > differential valve". I was under the impression that all this valve > > I'm on my second sterring box, and it's getting pretty loose (ALOT > of play). Definitely an E ticket in a crosswind. The tie > rod ends are > still tight. I've been tightening the sector shaft adjuster screw on == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 10:33:08 -0500 From: frenz.6 osu.edu (Dale Frenz) Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 250 van parts for 460 swap Aaaaah yes... I remember those days of pulling van parts in the junkyard. As a matter of fact, some of you might remember my whining about almost dying of heat stroke in the middle of June. God I guess Im just a big buzzkill. There's nothing more exciting than laying in mud, trying to jack up a 460 in the dog house with a bumper jack, hoping the whole damn thing doesnt collapse on you before you can get the oil pan out. But hey, I guess $15 for the pan, pick-up, main cap bolt, and alt. bracket isnt too bad. I believe that makes for about 1/10th of what Ford Motorsport charges for the same set up. Aaaahh... the joy of repowering. - -Dale '79 Ruby '00 Powerstroke == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 10:47:44 -0500 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Valve body Gary writes: >>but the one thing it did not cover was the check ball locations in the control valve module (forgot what we call the dang thing....old age again :-)) Valve body, maybe. (And I've got you by several years) Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:11:33 -0500 From: frenz.6 osu.edu (Dale Frenz) Subject: FTE 61-79 - Porting 460 heads? My base motor is a about a '77. I sitting here thinking about gasket matching the exhaust ports on the heads. Is this really going to turn out to be worth my time and effort or is it going to be a complete zero ROI (thats Return On Invest for you non-financial types). It's basically going to be a daily driver with some grunt. Im not looking to move massive amounts of air at 6500 RPMS or anything. - -Dale == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:04:02 -0500 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - C-6 and ATSG, what are these trannys? Ok, I went to their web site and here's a list of trannys....what the heck are they???? A4LD ATX AXOD AXODE/AX4S CD4E AX4N 4R44E/4R55E 4F20E 5R55E I left out the ones I recognized :-) All the manuals are $18 for non members which is a really good deal when you figure all the added upgrade, fixit info in there. I'm ordering some today, someone tell me what I have in my 94 bird with 3.8l engine??? so I can order the stupid thing? :-) - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > Hey, I found a phone number for you... 800-245-7722. > This is the number to ATSG, where you will be able to get > any book for > foreign or domestic trannys!! > > Brad == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:06:55 -0500 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Valve body, Brain F*r*s... You'd have died laughing at us last night Az :-) I couldn't remember a thing about anything....brain must have been eating beans when I wasn't looking....:-) - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > Gary writes: >>but the one thing it did not cover was the check ball > locations in the control valve module (forgot what we call the dang > thing....old age again :-)) > > Valve body, maybe. (And I've got you by several years) > > Azie == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 10:07:00 -0600 From: "William S. Hart" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Poppong carb > He has > dropped the tank, and cleaned it, but to na avail, once that > flaky rust gets > in a tank, might as well just replace it! > We had a tank cleaned at a radiator shop, then bought some stuff from Hemmings that coats the inside of the tank, you put this stuff in there and slosh it around really good, then pour the excess out ... its a sealer of some sort, worked great, even fixed a couple hairline leaks ... Maybe I can dig the name up when I go home this weekend, or ask Dad, its his stuff maybe he remembers what its called .. Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 10:23:13 -0600 From: "William S. Hart" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - weird sights All you guys talkin of losing wheels reminds me of when the rim blew off of the school bus I was riding in ... heck of a boom and swerved across a couple lanes of traffic and back ... (front right wheel)... fortunately we had a wheel still so it did roll, but we watched the tire pop out the back of the bus, then speed into the ditch, up the embankment and back down through the ditch to land within a foot of the wheel it fell off of ... pretty weird actually, looked like we had stopped the bus and the tire had just fallen off, but in reality it just happened to land that way ... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 10:26:56 -0600 From: "William S. Hart" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - ENVY'S FIRST "OWWIE" > Hope you have one of those "Auto" (or should I say truck) sized > band-aids to > stick over Envy's boo boo. Like this ? http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/1222/pic00032.jpg :) Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 10:29:13 -0600 From: "William S. Hart" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Choke heater tube > How hot do you suppose this gets? > Pretty warm, here's a thought, go to the local auto parts store and find the HELP! section ... they should have a coil of the stuff laying there with a couple fittings and a sleeve, if they don't have it they can probably order it ... BTDT ... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:30:52 -0500 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Toys and stuff.... Talked to my gas guy today and he suggested 3/4" black pipe with industrial dope, green or blue stuff. He said the unit I bough will probably be rated in pounds (about 10) where the furnace I will install in a few years will use about 11" of water an is measured in OZ which is the same as my water heater is setup for. What we're going to do is run 3/4" pipe from the regulator on the tanks up the wall to the trusses and across to about where I envision the furnace burner will be and make that a permanent installation. Then use hose to run over to the side wall with a quick disconnect to hook to the heater. He thinks the heater has it's own regulator on it so we may not need to regulate the line. It will have a ball valve in it at the source for sure though :-) Won't know till I get the unit and take a look, hopefully by Wednesday :-) Ordered a power flanger last night too but it says up to 14 ga??? Hope it's adjustable :-) Certainly don't want a 14 ga offset in my panels :-( Know of a distributor who will sell it by the barrel? - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > For pipe use 3/4" because 1/2" is only good up to 80k btu, > then decreases > > When done, code states to pressurize system for minimum of 20 min at > 40psig, but I go for 1hr (can't compromise safety on their > part due to > > Cheap mineral spirits = Castrol CL1248 not sure of price but == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 10:30:37 -0600 From: "William S. Hart" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Choke heater tube > Right now I don't recall if that is an actual open line to the exhaust or > just a hot air plenum heated by the exhaust?? > Plenum on my FE ... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 08:31:55 -0800 From: "Bill Beyer" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - C-6 and ATSG, what are these trannys? OK I can help with a few of them from my dealership days: A4LD: auto OD used on Aerostars and Rangers beginning in the early 80s. Notorious for smoking high/reverse clutches ATX: auto 3 spd FWD used in Tempos and Escorts beginning in mid 80s AXOD: auto OD FWD used in Taurus AXODE: auto OD FWD controlled by electronic processor integrated with ECM Tha's all I recognize. Maybe someone else can fill in the rest and/or correct me if I'm wrong. "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets" - ----- Original Message ----- From: Peters, Gary (G.R.) To: Sent: Monday, December 20, 1999 8:04 AM Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - C-6 and ATSG, what are these trannys? > Ok, I went to their web site and here's a list of trannys....what the heck > are they???? > > > A4LD > ATX > AXOD > AXODE/AX4S > CD4E > AX4N > 4R44E/4R55E > 4F20E > 5R55E > > I left out the ones I recognized :-) All the manuals are $18 for non > members which is a really good deal when you figure all the added upgrade, > fixit info in there. I'm ordering some today, someone tell me what I have > in my 94 bird with 3.8l engine??? so I can order the stupid thing? :-) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 09:45:43 -0700 From: "Michael White" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Salvage Yards in Winter While adding more items to the list of things that need to be done to my 69 F250's (C6 & 4:10, T18 & 3:55 LS), I thought about spending a day at the local salvage yard. I didn't have to think long before I realized that this was not something I "wanted" to do. During the summertime it is difficult to find the right parts because others have gotten there first. I'm working on a theory that parts should be easier to find in the salvage yards during the winter because the "casual shopper" will not be present due to weather conditions. Is this a valid theory? ::: Dreams of finding dealer installed A/C, power steering with auto column, FE 4bbl intake, and limited slip differentials ::: Danger danger csolutions.net == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:53:01 -0500 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Porting 460 heads? Well......we just wore this out a few days ago but my view is this: smooth the thermactor bumps in the ports but just enough to blend them in. Anything you remove from those bumps will improve the flow so better stop short rather than go whole hog. There are holes under there and it's possible to break through if you get carried away. Very difficult to repair once this happens. If you open up the ports to match the manifolds you will find that the openings in the manifolds varies quite a bit and if you slap headers on it one day you may have a situation where the ports are larger than the openings in the headers which can't be opened up so you have a "reversion" kind of thing happening then which is not cool. My opinion is that you should clean up the bumps and "smooth" the rest of the port a little and leave it at that. Remove any "serious" irregularities but just enough to make neat lines along the edges of the ports and then polish it up with some sanding drums etc.. Once you remove the metal you can't put it back :-( The 460 manifolds flow pretty well for a stock setup so I wouldn't get all carried away with this myself. An important point to remember about doing anything to any port is that the valves are in the bottom of the port so any material you remove from the floor of the port tends to sharpen the turn the gases have to make to exit. Smokey says......"you can't make power by lowering the ports" for this reason, you want to take the material from the top of the port for best results so in this case, the bumps are on the bottom so you remove just enough to even out the cross section a little to reduce the turbulance they cause. - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > My base motor is a about a '77. I sitting here thinking about gasket > matching the exhaust ports on the heads. Is this really going > to turn out > to be worth my time and effort or is it going to be a > complete zero ROI == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 09:10:06 -0800 From: "Jerry Godsey" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ox runs rings around John I worked for a plaster once. The first time he told me to go find the hose bib I must have looked like a moron. Instead of admitting I didn't know what the heck a hose bib was, I wandered around looking for something that might look like a hose bib! Not good. Eventually, he asked me why I hadn't turned off the water, that was when I realized that hose bibs are spigots or faucets. Blessings, Jerry Godsey - ----- Original Message ----- From: John LaGrone To: -FordTruckDigest Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 9:07 AM Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ox runs rings around John > >>"Dead nuts" means right on (no variance), :-) > >>Are you telling me my father made that one up?? No one else ever heard > of this :-) > OX > > Thanks, Ox. I've never heard that expression before. I am assuming the > difference is our different cultural background and nothing else. The first > time someone wanted to know where the spigot was, I didn't know what they > were looking for. I'd always heard it called a faucet. > > -- John > jlagrone ford-trucks.com > 1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry) > http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm > Dearborn iron rules!!!! > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:39:41 -0600 From: "William S. Hart" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Salvage Yards in Winter and Parts > during the > winter because the "casual shopper" will not be present due to weather > conditions. Is this a valid theory? > I dunno, but it sounds good if you can stand it :) I think you'll probably get a good deal on parts too if they see you are willing to go out in the cold and work on it ... 'course you may get a reputation too :) > ::: Dreams of finding dealer installed A/C, power steering with > auto column, > FE 4bbl intake, and limited slip differentials ::: > Where're you at ? Okay, here's the deal ... I've got a 74 360 that's nearly complete, also have the A/C brackets and everything, plus a 76 390 4V intake manifold and spacer plate ... all of this is just sitting in my garage ... anyone who's willing to come get it, or meet me somewhere nearby for it can have it for a good price ... I'd like to get rid of all of it at once (that's why I haven't said much before), but I'm tired of it all sitting around in the garage, I could use the space frankly ... I know Tony has shown some interest in it ... you still interested bud ? Any one else ? Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:43:14 -0600 From: "William S. Hart" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Sick C-6 Okay I've watched this happen before ... I think we're getting confused in the terminology people are using ... ATF is simply Automatic Transmission Fluid ... can be any type ... but Type F is what is specced most often in my experience (limited as it may be) ... the newer stuff uses the Dexron III which is a bit thinner than the Type F, but even then I've never really had problems accidently mixing them ... though obviously I wouldn't recommend it .. Also when doing P/S work ... use ATF Type F in there as well, even my hydro-brake-boosted 96 GT Mustang uses Type F in the steering/braking assist ... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:52:18 +0000 From: Bryan Kirking Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Salvage Yards in Winter >a theory that parts should be easier to find in the salvage yards during the >winter because the "casual shopper" will not be present due to weather >conditions. Is this a valid theory? We Houstonians *really* hate going out when its below 40. 8-) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 10:20:09 PST From: "Don Jones" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Choke heater tube > > > How hot do you suppose this gets? > > >Pretty warm, here's a thought, go to the local auto parts store and find >the >HELP! section ... they should have a coil of the stuff laying there with a >couple fittings and a sleeve, if they don't have it they can probably I used some wire insulation that i had leftover from a rewiring job on a commercial heat-seal machine. I got it from the local hardware store in the electrical section. Don Jones 1970 F-250 4x4 ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:35:58 -0500 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Toys and stuff.... You guys aren't going to believe this....I just ordered a 55 gal drum for $119, delivered to my barn!!! A local fuel distributor handles it :-) Don't know what brand, don't care either :-) Now all I have to do is figure out how to get the stuff out and into my washer...... :-( Guess I'll have to get one of those barrel tipover thingies and us a bung valve and buckets eh? Suppose I could get a cheap pump of some kind.....where's that stupid catalog when you need it anyway....:-) - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > Cheap mineral spirits = Castrol CL1248 not sure of price but > we use 18,000 > USG a month, slightly acidic (won't damage your skin, == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:41:04 EST From: Bad4dFilly aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ENVY'S FIRST "OWWIE" In a message dated 12/18/1999 6:16:28 AM !!!First Boot!!!, SevnD2 aol.com writes: > Taco-ed is kind of a laymens term meaning a part of the car was basically bent in half, like a taco, guess ya could also call it creased. *~*~Lisa and Envy~*~* *~*~Silly boys...trucks are for GIRLS!~*~* == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:58:31 -0600 From: "William S. Hart" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Salvage Yards in Winter > We Houstonians *really* hate going out when its below 40. 8-) > Those of us from farther north really hate going when its 40 below. :) Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:17:23 -0800 (PST) From: Pat Brown Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - C-6 and ATSG, what are these trannys? Gary wondered: [tranny list snipped] > fixit info in there. I'm ordering some today, someone tell me what I have > in my 94 bird with 3.8l engine??? so I can order the stupid thing? :-) 4R70W, aka early on an AODE/W. DOn't forget to do the 1-2 acculmulator piston upgrade. - -- Pat Brown Winter? http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryLonger?1554 Nice, warm, Sebastopol, California == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 17:03:24 -0500 From: "G.T. Herpich" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Salvage Yards in Winter Bryan Kirking wrote: > >a theory that parts should be easier to find in the salvage yards during the > >winter because the "casual shopper" will not be present due to weather > >conditions. Is this a valid theory? > > We Houstonians *really* hate going out when its below 40. 8-) Hell, I don't go anywhere when it's below 40 :) George, Ft Lauderdale > > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 17:48:21 -0500 From: Jim Knapper Subject: FTE 61-79 - FOR SALE What part of Ontario is Elmvale in? I'm in WI so if Elmvale is in the lower half i may be interested.... Elmvale is about 1-11/2 hours north of Toronto. (hopefully there's only one!) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:54:31 PST From: "Mark Mcknight" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FOR SALE hey! =) someone else knowz where elmvale is! haha I'm AMAZED!!! haha... yah... ding dong I needa sell.. n e one wanna buy? the body is shot tho... everything else is good.. >From: Jim Knapper >Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com >To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com >Subject: FTE 61-79 - FOR SALE >Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 17:48:21 -0500 > >What part of Ontario is Elmvale in? I'm in WI so if Elmvale is in the >lower half i may be interested.... > >Elmvale is about 1-11/2 hours north of Toronto. (hopefully there's only >one!) > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:06:58 -0700 From: "Greg Sage" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - PROBLEM: Leaking thermostat housing grrr > Well all is fine EXCEPT FOR THE > LEAKING THERMOSTAT HOUSING. I have the gasket in there but i cant seem > to stop the leak I have removed and replace it about 4 timeS today with > no luck. Tried siliconing the sh*t out of it but still no luck. What > am i doing wrong??? One thing my mechanic recommended that worked for me is take the housing and rub it on sandpaper on a flat surface. Go down in grits to ensure a smooth, even surface. Sometimes those cheap paper gaskets we put on adhere to the metal indefinitley. Hope this helps! Greg Sage Calgary, Alberta Canada 78 F150 2WD REGULAR CAB 351M/400 C6 97 Intrepid 3.5L (Wifes, computer controlled, can't even change the oil, wouldn't wanna touch it, car) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:35:38 EST From: OldTrux aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Salvage Yards in Winter In a message dated 12/20/99 10:49:06 AM Central Standard Time, danger csolutions.net writes: > I'm working on > a theory that parts should be easier to find in the salvage yards during the > winter because the "casual shopper" will not be present due to weather > conditions. Is this a valid theory? Not any more! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:35:12 -0800 From: "Andrion, Michael" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bumpers Hi all, I need some help. I have a 1962 F100 and I need bumpers. None of the catalog houses seem to carry my year. I have found several F100's at the junk yard a 61, 63 and a 65. The bracket holes seem to be different on these years. Can the bumpers from other years fit easily on my 62? Has anyone out there had the same problem and how you fix it. Also my truck seems to sag in the middle. I hear this is typical of the years 61 to 66. If so how can I also fix. Thanks in advance. Mike We Houstonians *really* hate going out when its below 40. 8-) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:22:17 -0600 From: "Tom Williams" Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1962 4X4 Hi all, I am new to the Ford list and am in need of some advice. I am looking at a 1962 Ford 4X4 here locally. The truck has 41,800 actual miles on it, inline 6, 4speed. The motor runs great and starts easy even in the cold. I have owned several 1978-79 F150 4X4's but never a 62. My knowledge is nill on these older trucks. The truck is in need of some parts, but I do not have a clue as to the availability on parts for these older trucks. I am also curious at to the demand for these older trucks? The cab is very rust free, and the box is not to bad itself. The tailgate is missing, and window cranks need replaced ect... Any help I can get will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Tom Williams == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:59:11 -0500 From: "Brad Smith" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Porting 460 heads? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Frenz To: Sent: Monday, December 20, 1999 11:11 AM Subject: FTE 61-79 - Porting 460 heads? > My base motor is a about a '77. I sitting here thinking about gasket > matching the exhaust ports on the heads. Is this really going to turn out > to be worth my time and effort or is it going to be a complete zero ROI > (thats Return On Invest for you non-financial types). It's basically going > to be a daily driver with some grunt. Im not looking to move massive > amounts of air at 6500 RPMS or anything. > > -Dale > It will be hard to port them enough to get them to match the headers exactly, but it is definately wort it... Those ports are so small in comparison... I just did this on a small block and it helped enormously... Brad == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:02:26 -0500 From: "Brad Smith" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - C-6 and ATSG, what are these trannys? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Peters, Gary (G.R.) To: Sent: Monday, December 20, 1999 11:04 AM Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - C-6 and ATSG, what are these trannys? > Ok, I went to their web site and here's a list of trannys....what the heck > are they???? > > > A4LD > ATX > AXOD > AXODE/AX4S > CD4E > AX4N > 4R44E/4R55E > 4F20E > 5R55E > > I left out the ones I recognized :-) All the manuals are $18 for non > members which is a really good deal when you figure all the added upgrade, > fixit info in there. I'm ordering some today, someone tell me what I have > in my 94 bird with 3.8l engine??? so I can order the stupid thing? :-) I am pretty sure that it has an A4LD in it, but I would call somewhere like NAPA just to make sure... they actually put diff. trannys in the same models sometimes (with diff. engines). All of those numbers are diff. trannys... Best thing to do is find somewhere local that can help you, they usually get the books to me for $12.00..... Brad == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:14:10 -0500 From: "Brad Smith" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Toys and stuff.... - ----- Original Message ----- From: Peters, Gary (G.R.) To: Sent: Monday, December 20, 1999 1:35 PM Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Toys and stuff.... > You guys aren't going to believe this....I just ordered a 55 gal drum for > $119, delivered to my barn!!! A local fuel distributor handles it :-) > Don't know what brand, don't care either :-) > > Now all I have to do is figure out how to get the stuff out and into my > washer...... :-( Guess I'll have to get one of those barrel tipover > thingies and us a bung valve and buckets eh? Suppose I could get a cheap > pump of some kind.....where's that stupid catalog when you need it > anyway....:-) Use your parts washer pump!!!! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:12:34 -0500 From: "Brad Smith" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Sick C-6 - ----- Original Message ----- From: William S. Hart To: Sent: Monday, December 20, 1999 12:43 PM Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Sick C-6 > Okay I've watched this happen before ... I think we're getting confused in > the terminology people are using ... ATF is simply Automatic Transmission > Fluid ... can be any type ... but Type F is what is specced most often in my > experience (limited as it may be) ... the newer stuff uses the Dexron III > which is a bit thinner than the Type F, but even then I've never really had > problems accidently mixing them ... though obviously I wouldn't recommend it > .. Was doing the general maintenence to my wife's 98 Stang, and It says on the dipstick use Dexron V... Didn't even know it existed, but it isn't time to change it yet. BTW - the dipstick on that car is really cool, the section at the bottom is WHITE and crosshatched so you can see where the fluid is, where it is supposed to be, and what color it is.... Pretty cool... Brad == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:44:11 -0500 From: Ken Payne Subject: FTE 61-79 - Annual AFTE/FTE charity event The Association of Ford Truck Enthusiasts (AFTE), the non-profit club made up of Ford Truck Enthusiasts (FTE) users, is holding their first annual charity event (actually, their second, though they were not yet organized as a club them). This year, AFTE is raising funds for two causes: 1. a list member's son who is a paraplegic and could really use a decent laptop with voice recognition software. He became disabled last year and needless to say, he's not in the best of spirits. I think we can bring a little joy into his life. 2. the Georgia LoRiders, a long standing Ford truck club, is raising money for the family of a child found in the family swimming pool. The child is brain damaged and the father must stay home to take care of him because the mother is VERY pregnant. AFTE is going to donate any money left over from item 1 to the Georgia LoRiders for this family. There are three ways you can donate: 1. Send a check or money order to: Association of Ford Truck Enthusiasts re: Charity Drive Box 562 Tecumseh, MI 49286-0562 2. Via credit card on the web. The FTE web site is set up to take credit cards. We're going to add an item to the cart for this. You'll be able to select any amount you want. All funds will be forwarded to AFTE for their drive. The address is: www.motorhaven.com 3. Via credit card on voice mail. FTE's phone number is 770-806-1955. Leave name on card, type of card, card number, expiration date and amount to donate. Also, PLEASE leave an address so we can mail a receipt to you. All funds will be forwarded to AFTE for their drive. This number is busy in the evenings! The laptop purchase receipt and the check cut to the Georgia LoRiders will be scanned and placed on the web site so everyone will know their donations were well spent. There will be zero administration costs. All money will be spent for the charity. Regards, Ken Payne Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:46:58 EST From: WEDIVE247 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Salvage Yards in Winter and Parts In a message dated 12/20/1999 12:44:02 PM EST, wish iastate.edu writes: get a good deal on parts too if they see you are willing to go out in the cold and work on it ... >> It also depends on where you are . Its 80 ' in Dec. here in Florida...... == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:50:58 EST From: WEDIVE247 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Salvage Yards in Winter In a message dated 12/20/1999 5:08:23 PM EST, gherpich bellsouth.net writes: George, Ft Lauderdale >> I heard that !!!!! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 22:10:07 EST From: FORDTRKNUT aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 73-79 Bed Found!!! From what I seen at quick glance, it looked OK. I did not look all that close, because I was not going to buy it. If your interested...go check it out. Well....Take Care!! Wayne Grabley == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 00:43:59 EST From: SHill48337 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - C-6 and ATSG, what are these trannys? In a message dated 12/20/99 11:07:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, gpeters3 visteon.com writes: are they???? A4LD ATX AXOD AXODE/AX4S CD4E AX4N 4R44E/4R55E 4F20E 5R55E >> When you find an E it means electrically controlled and the number gives you some kind of hint about the number of speeds. While the OD usually means overdrive. Here is what I know of these trannys you listed and there are probably other vehicles where they are used. A4LD used in the Explorer from 91-present. ATX used in the Taurus SHO. AXOD Taurus/Sable 86-90. AXODE 91-94 Taurus/Sable. AX4S Taurus 3.2 DOHC. CD4E Contour 2.5 24 valve 97 time frame. 4R44E Ranger 4 speed on 97 with 2.3, simular to E4OD. 4R55E Ranger 4 speed used only with SOHC 4.0. 4F20E Villager mini van 3.0 SOHC. 5R55E 5speed used in Rangers with only 4.0 SOHC. I really do not think any of these will work well in our 61-79 Ford Trucks, but I could be wrong. As for your T-Bird I do not know which tranny it has, but suspect it uses a Taurus/Sable type. Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:54:19 -0800 From: Pat Brown Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - C-6 and ATSG, what are these trannys? Brad wrote: > Gary asked: > > fixit info in there. I'm ordering some today, someone tell me what I have > > in my 94 bird with 3.8l engine??? so I can order the stupid thing? :-) > > I am pretty sure that it has an A4LD in it, [remainder snipped] Nope, it's a 4r70W. Just like the one in my garage, that dripped all over me for a half-hour or so while I upgraded the accumulator piston :-) - -- Pat Brown Sebastopol, California == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 22:06:13 PST From: "George Litton" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Porting 460 heads? DALE, I would not waste my time. You get a lot more from a simple pocket-porting. The gasket matching is fun, as you see what you and your die-grinder can do, but there is very little true benefit from all the effort. You would only see gains in the upper RPM ranges, where you say this motor will not live. Do some good research on cams and such to get the most out of this engine. GOOD LUCK!! George Litton in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho Merry Christmas >From: frenz.6 ....To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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