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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - candian fords and manuals???
FTE 61-79 - Tilt Wheel/Steering Column
RE: FTE 61-79 - '75 F150 axle interchangability
FTE 61-79 - Dirty oil
FTE 61-79 - Old FE's to later mounts ?
FTE 61-79 - Desparetly Seeking
Re: FTE 61-79 - Wet weather starting problems
FTE 61-79 - FE "Shorties"/motor mounts
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dirty oil
Re: FTE 61-79 - poping Carb.
FTE 61-79 - (Fwd) (fwd) NP 203 transfer case
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: 460 - hard to start (update)
Re: FTE 61-79 - headers for 400
FTE 61-79 - Carrier Bearing
FTE 61-79 - Re: Spare tire carrier ???
FTE 61-79 - Lights out
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tilt Wheel/Steering Column
Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 F150 Clutch Question
Re: FTE 61-79 - (Fwd) (fwd) NP 203 transfer case
FTE 61-79 - Re: Lost my taillights
FTE 61-79 - 460 in a ' 61
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE "Shorties"/motor mounts

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:14:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Daniel DiMartino
Subject: FTE 61-79 - candian fords and manuals???

i just bought a shop manual for my 68 f250, my question is: are
there any differences between canadian fords and u.s. fords that
would make this shop manual misleading? it's an original ford
item and i was told the only difference is that they added all
three u.s. manuals into one 18 chapter, bigger than a phone
book, kiddie highchair. for some reason '68 is a difficult year
to find these for, so i bought it. i'm not sure but it looks
like the canadians might have had some emisions standards
different than the u.s., other than that i know the basic
mechanics are the same. anybody delt with a canadian ford before??

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Daniel DiMartino

1968 F-250 soon to be a 4x4
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:31:16 EST
From: SMOKEY5209 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tilt Wheel/Steering Column

Looking for a tilt wheel/steering column to swap into my 1970 F100. Has
anyone done this and have a suggestion what columns may fit without a lot of
modification.
Thanks In Advance
Ed
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:34:32 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - '75 F150 axle interchangability

> Since the entire axle housing is missing, does it matter
> whether the axles are 28 or 31
> spline? I would want the stronger axle, all things being
> equal, as I want this to be
> able to tow heavy trailers; is that the 31 spline later one?

I don't see any reason why the spline count would matter in this case.

>
> I found a parted out '77 Super Cab f150 with the entire rear
> end under it (maybe even the
> driveshaft, hope, hope). It's in one of those junk yards run
> by a 90 year old man that
> lives on the premises. I can have it for $100 if I jack it
> up out of the dirt and take
> it off. Sounds good to me, if it will fit the '75.
>


I don't see any reason why it would not fit. Does yours have the rear leaf
springs still installed? If so I would just measure the distance between
the axle mounting points on the springs and make sure the spring perches on
the new axle are the same distance apart.

Tom H.
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:40:30 -0700
From: "Kiernan, Denny"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dirty oil

I had my oil and oil filter changed several weeks ago. I didn't see the
guy actually do it. I guess I should have checked the oil right away,
but I didn't until yesterday, after putting on 260 miles. The oil is
almost black. Is it possible for oil to get really dirty this fast?

Denny
72 F-100 360 2WD Manual everything, 140K
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:44:58 -0500
From: pdesanto Cinergy.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Old FE's to later mounts ?

Hi all- Anybody out there remember what has to be done to an older 390
(pre-63) to adapt the later model motor mounts to the block ? Seems like a
little plate or something, but don't remember.
I've got a buddy that needs to know.........Hello, Bill ??
Thanx, Phil ( the 60's are all a blur now )

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:00:04 EST
From: SMOKEY5209 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Desparetly Seeking

I am in dire need of a set of headlight buckets for my 1970 F100. Don't need
new will accept good condition, I am willing to do some patch up if
necessary. Original ones fell apart when I dismantled the truck. I believe
1970 to 1972 fit.
Thanks
Ed
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:51:05 -0500
From: "Brad Smith"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Wet weather starting problems

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Ted Wnorowski
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 10:05 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Wet weather starting problems


> Morning all,
> A friend of mine at work has an ' 89 F-250 with a 302. It starts fine
> when the weather is dry. If it's the slightest bit damp it won't start.
> When it's wet out, if he blows some heat under the hood for about 15 mins.
> he says it starts.
> So far he's replaced the cap & rotor, plug wires, and the coil. Any
> suggestions?
>
You may want to check the dist. itself, I have seen them with cracks or even
holes in the casting...
Brad


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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:30:49 EST
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE "Shorties"/motor mounts

Hi George,

Thought this looked like something I'd dealt with....

Yes, you can make your older FE fit the new motor mounts. What I used was
about 5/16" plates with four holes drilled in them. Two mounted into the
block, the other two held the "newer" mounts. I had to grind the back of the
mounts to allow for the bolt heads going into the block....This system worked
for me for 15 years...lots of four-wheeling along the way....I know it sounds
rinky-dink....

Now, did you want to use shorty headers as well????

Let me know if you need any more info....

CJ
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:01:53 -0700
From: "Michael White"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dirty oil

> I had my oil and oil filter changed several weeks ago. I didn't see the
> guy actually do it. I guess I should have checked the oil right away,
> but I didn't until yesterday, after putting on 260 miles. The oil is
> almost black. Is it possible for oil to get really dirty this fast?
>
> Denny
> 72 F-100 360 2WD Manual everything, 140K
...............

I'd have to guess that it is possible for the oil to be almost black
after 260 miles, even with a proper oil change (Especially if the engine
hasn't been seeing regular changes every 3,000 miles).

If you look closely at the oil pan drain plug you may see indications
that the plug has or has not been removed recently.

You may want to do the next oil change yourself and include a magnetic
drain plug while you're at it.


Danger
danger csolutions.net



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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:48:32 -0600
From: Kirk Baillie
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - poping Carb.

No not all the time, it seems to do it only when the engine is cold.

"Peters, Gary (G.R.)" wrote:
>
> Does it do this any time you mash the pedal? If so you may have burned
> intake valves. If it only does it off the line and is under powered then
> you may have a jumped timing chain. Typically, engine components don't move
> so it's not likely just a "setting" it's more likely to be something broke
> or jumped if it came on rather sudden.
>
> --
> Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
> 78 Bronco Loving, Gary
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167
> --
>
> > Hi i own a 74 F250 4x4 with a 360 and now when i take off
> > from the line,
> > quite frequently i get a pop or two from the carb. Is this a choke
> > problem or a timing thing (it happens when the choke is fully
> > closed or
> > almost fully open). It also seems to be under powered off the line.
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:57:10 -0800
From: "Josh Assing"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - (Fwd) (fwd) NP 203 transfer case

Saw this on newsgroup (seattle.forsale.transportation)
Just thought I'd pass it on.

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On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:20:24 -0800, in
seattle.forsale.transportation

David Sherman wrote:

Government rebuilt, $90, 4 available

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:01:46 -0500
From: "Brad Smith"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: 460 - hard to start (update)

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Robert J. Neilson
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 12:46 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: 460 - hard to start (update)


> So I fiddled with the carb a bit this morning. It was pouring rain and my
> truck was parked outside, so I didn't spend too long at it. Here is what I
did
> ...
>
> 1. tried to start the truck. it didn't want to go (would fire then stall
...
> would not keep running)
> 2. I looked at the carb and the butterfly choke thingy (a technical term)
was
> about 7/8 closed ... maybe open 3/16". I flipped it up and down a bit to
make
> sure it wasn't catching on anything. tried to start again; no go
> 3. I got a bit annoyed and poked it (the thingy) hard with my thumb; it
closed
> fully (with a medium amount of rough resistance
> 4. tried to start; vroom.
>
> I did glance at the hoses etc and I can see that the heat riser (from the
> manifold) is in place.
>
> My suspicion is that the fast idle isn't engaging properly, and needs
> adjusting. I don't think the plate thingy is supposed to be fully closed
at
> first ... but I am not sure. If it is (supposed to be closed all the way)
then
> it is probably not adjusted or it is binding on something.
>
> Since I am paying some attention to this now I did notice that it doesn't
seem
> too idle fast while warming up - at least not like my other truck. There
is no
> problem with it coming off the choke when it warms up (at least that I can
> tell).
>
> Someone asked what type of carb. It is the stock ford unit for a 460 in a
79
> F250.
>
> One thing I am interested in is to know exactly what happens *inside* the
carb
> when the choke is on. Are there separate jets or valve that come into play
> when the choke is on? Does the fast idle add fuel through another jet or
> valve, or does it 'open' the regular idle valve a bit?
>
> From an external perspective there aren't too many knobs to turn - so to
> speak - and I can get these working correctly with a bit of fiddling. But
what
> goes on inside the carb? Is there anything that can get out of whack that
> would cause the choke not too work? (of course I could pull one apart to
see,
> maybe tonight ... ).
>
> btw, what kind of compression numbers should one get in a new stock
engine. my
> engine (old) reads 115-120 across the board. Is this good, bad, or
somewhere
> in between?
>
> Rob --
>
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The choke plate should close all of the way, there should be a notch or hole
in the plate to allow just enough air through... This is most likely your
problem... As far as what happens when the choke closes - You greatly
increase the pressure differential between the bowl and the venturi, causing
lots more fuel than normal to pump into the venturi. This helps in cold
starts because colder air is denser, and requires more fuel to mix
properly... 14.7:1 is the ideal mixture, but darn near impossible to attain,
especially with carburetors!!
As far as compression goes, that number is ok, not new engine numbers, but
pretty good... the most important thing you said is that it is the same on
all cylinders...
Brad


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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:35:19 EST
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - headers for 400

well, its my turn to share my opinion on the subject,,,my truck started out
with single 1.5" exhaust that was leaking all over, had a caved in cat, and
cracked manifolds,,,on went headers,,,ran alot better,,,noticable gain in my
opinion,,,then came the 2.5" dual exhaust with no cats,,,,REALLY smoothed out
the tone and the engine seemed a little more responsive than it had
been,,,,of course the darn thing still stalls every time i hit a teeny little
bump, ah well itll make that new 400 so much sweeter,,,,,

Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M
True Blue Ford Blue
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:15:48 -0800
From: "S.Harkema"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Carrier Bearing

>I have a 74 F250 long bed that has the 2 piece drive shaft, and I need
>to replace the center carrier bearing. Is this bearing pressed on or is
>it supposed to come off easy?

They are pressed on.You can try removing the yoke and dropping the
splined end (gently)onto a block of wood.Mine fell right off.
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:32:19 -0800
From: Carver
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Spare tire carrier ???

Yes and No!
Yes they did come with a tire carrier, and No I won't sell you mine.

Jeff '64 F100 CrewCab
- -- -- -- -- -- --
Just a couple of quick questions ? Did 64's
custom cabs come with a spare tire carrier under the rear of the bed ? And
does anyone have one their willing to sell ??


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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:31:06 -0800
From: "S.Harkema"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Lights out

>a nice police officer informed me I don't have any tail lights or >marker lights in back.

My 76 has a plug towards the botom of the firewal on the left side that
leads to the rear marker/tail lights.Could be dirty loose etc.
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 00:05:30 EST
From: Lukes67 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tilt Wheel/Steering Column

I was told that any F100 up to 76 would work. The steering box all bolts up
too.
The reason I know this is a guy I used to work with did this to his 67 F100
longbed. It turned out really well. So well I am going to do it myself. Let
me know how it goes. Hope I helped you out.
Thanks,
Luke

67 F100 shortbed
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:03:34 -0800
From: "bronco66"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 F150 Clutch Question

I would really like that part number. It is alot of work to turn a bushing
down.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: William King
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 F150 Clutch Question


> *Oh, oh, oh!* Something I know about (kinda).
> 1. 429 Pilot bushings
> The crank tails on 68 and 69 429s were not machined for a pilot
> bushing (although there is a 'hole' for a bushing to fit into.
> This hole is smaller than 'normal' 429/460 bushings).
> Years ago I ended up finding a bushing that was close and turning
> it down until it fit. Another list member (Henderson? Calls his
> truck the 'Muny Pit') found a bushing to fit his 429 crank, and
> he might have the part number handy. This applies to 68 and 69 429s.
> The bushing size for later 460s may have changed, but I don't know.
> >I think early 429's and FE's used the same pilot bushing of 1.875"
> >compared to the later models with the 1.375" bushing, but I could be
> >wrong.
> >Jason
> >bronco66 wrote:
> >>With my 72 with a 429 and
> >> a NP435 I use the clutch from i beleive a 71 t-bird. But the pilot
bushing
> >> doesn't fit and i could not find any that do. I ended up buying one a
> >> little to big and turning it down.
>
> 2. I can only speak about clutch disks and pressure plates for car
> (ie NOT granny gear) 4 speed Toploaders. First, there are two input shaft
> sizes on Toploaders; they differ in shaft diameter and spline count. Some
> people call the big input shaft 'bigblock' and the smaller one a
> 'smallblock' (but I am unsure if the tranny guts are different).
Likewise,
> the outputs are
> also different (31 spline output is usually a bigbock Toploader).
However,
> it's possible to get a mix-n-matched Toploader like the one in my truck.
> It has the small (smallblock) input, BUT the big, 31 spline output. It
came
> from the factory this way.
> Second, it's possible to have different sized (diameter) clutch disks and
> pressure plates, and this depends on your flywheel. My truck (360 FE) has
> a 10.5 inch clucth, but my Torino (429) has an 11.5 inch clutch. I
believe
> some 429/460s have an 11 inch clutch. Since the FE and 429/460 flywheels
> interchange, you have some possible clutch diameters lurking in your
> bellhousing.
> The moral of the story is that you should tear it apart to see what
exactly
> you have.
>
> > Just wondering if anyone out there can help me find what clutch setup
I
> >need for my truck... I've got a 78 F150 4X4 with a 429 in it, mated to a
> >Borg Warner top loader tranny (4spd w/granny gear). I need to find out
what
> >size clutch this thing has in it, and I would like to do so before
pulling
> >it down.... It is sad really, I bought this truck from a guy about 5
years
>
> Good luck,
> Ohio Bill
>
> 1968 Torino GT 429 4v 4 speed
> 1968 F100 360 2v 4 speed
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:07:53 -0800
From: "bronco66"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - (Fwd) (fwd) NP 203 transfer case

will this bolt up to a np435 -> D21 tailhousing?

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Josh Assing
To: ;
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 5:57 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - (Fwd) (fwd) NP 203 transfer case


> Saw this on newsgroup (seattle.forsale.transportation)
> Just thought I'd pass it on.
>
> ------- Forwarded message follows -------
>
> On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:20:24 -0800, in
> seattle.forsale.transportation
>
> David Sherman wrote:
>
> Government rebuilt, $90, 4 available
>
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:20:07 -0800
From: sparky mail.island.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Lost my taillights

David.R.John wrote:
>I always knock on wood when I read that someone is having electrical
>problems that it is not me............Well my luck has run out. Last night
>a nice police officer informed me I don't have any tail lights or marker
>lights in back. This has me a little confused, since the brake lights and
>signals work just fine (are the side rear markers suppose to flash too,
>mine do in the back but not the front). Any guesses, I checked the manual
>and they said that the taillights is controled by a C.B. (circut breaker)
>and not a fuse. Where is that located?

Well let me try and "enlighten" you :) The taillights, rear marker
lights, front marker lights and front park lights all run off the same
fuseable link which feeds thru the headlight switch. It should be a brown
wire at the headlight switch, actually 2 brown wires at the headlight
switch 1 for the front and one for the back. The turnsignals and brake
lights use different wires and bulb filaments that is why they work.
Since you have no rear lights but the marker lights flash, which they are
not really supposed to do. The first thing to check is for grounds at the
rear lights. It should be a black wire going to a common ground stud behind
the light assembly.
However this ground also is used by the the brake/turnsignal lights. So
you could have corroded light sockets or a combination corroded socket and
burnt bulb.
Also check to see that with the lights on you are getting 12volts to the
brown wire contact in the light bulb holder. If not trace the wire back all
the way to the headlight switch, look for broken, corroded or loose
connectors and or wires.
As for the cb, there is one inside the headlight switch as well as a
fusible link at the starter relay, if I remember correctly. But since the
headlights etc work it isnt the fusible link and since the front park
lights and marker lights work it isnt the cb in the switch. Hope this gets
you started ok.

ps
Just had another thought. Do the taillights and the marker lights flash
when you turn the ts on? If so you are missing the ground for the light
sockets and you are probably missing the 12volts to the taillights.
Corrosion is not our friend when it comes to electricity ;)

Sparky
73ish F250
4x4 3?0FE

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 01:27:05 -0500
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 in a ' 61

I had asked a couple of weeks ago about swapping a 460 into my ' 64.
Here's some pics of one in a ' 61:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220587137
Looks kinda tight. I did plan on replacing the inner fenders this summer
though.................. Hmmm.................

Ted Wnorowski
Bellevue,OH
' 64 F-250
352 transplant
4 speed
' 63 F-100
parts truck

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 05:29:20 -0500
From: "G.T. Herpich"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE "Shorties"/motor mounts....

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