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61-79-list-digest Monday, December 6 1999 Volume 03 : Number 449



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - 460 to GO!
FTE 61-79 - Re: Zero Oil Pressure
FTE 61-79 - 5-Speed manual transmission swap
FTE 61-79 - New guy, cab mounts
Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Decals
FTE 61-79 - 78 steering box sector shaft adjustment screw seal
Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Decals
Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Decals
Re: FTE 61-79 - Missed emails
Re: FTE 61-79 - engine dieing
Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Decals
FTE 61-79 - Hedman Hedders
Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Decals
FTE 61-79 - 400 ing timmin
Re: FTE 61-79 - engine dieing
FTE 61-79 - Clutch Question
FTE 61-79 - Clutch Fork Question
Re: FTE 61-79 - 400 ing timmin
Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Decals
Re: FTE 61-79 - engine dieing
FTE 61-79 - 1966 Engine Rebuild Project
FTE 61-79 - cab mounts
Re: FTE 61-79 - voltage drop problem
FTE 61-79 - 302 oil fouling problem FOUND
Re: FTE 61-79 - Clutch Fork Question

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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 07:35:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Ballinger
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 to GO!

>Well I got some bad news the 77 I just got appears
>to have a bad rod in the 460, my mechanic which I
>trust
>pretty well, wants to have it rebuilt. He wants to
>pull her out and check everything out and make sure
>all
>is when in the bottom end, the heads were recently
>redone before I purchased her. Since he is going to
>have her apart we want to put a good rv cam in her.
>She has a C-6 and I believe 3:23 rear end. I'm not
>too
>worried about fuel mileage just as long I get around
>10
>mph, I'd like something with some rumble but still
>drive able. What do you guys think? TIA

We put together a strong running but mild 460 a while
back that runs any gas you want to run and makes all
kinds of power for an '84 F250 4X4.

We used the Silv-o-lite hypereutectics and came up at
8.4 to 1 and a Wolverine Blue racer RV-type(same as a
Mellings) cam. It was quite impressive, and is so
quiet you can hardly hear it run. I can't remember
part #'s, but your machinist should be familiar with
the product lines. Don't go overboard with the cam.
The small one with the low CR pistons does well in a
truck and makes torque that only a few engines can
even dream of. If you go with more CR then you'll
need a little more overlap to keep it from building
too much cylinder pressure down low and ping.

A mild 460 is a strong engine, I'm still an FE man all
the way, but this engine is a real work horse. When
you get into building one, you'll see there's not a
frail bone in it's body. Heavy though(they out weigh
an FE by at least 100 lbs), we had to put a block
under it to keep it from killing the engine stand when
we left it mostly assembled overnight. There was an
audible "whew" from both the engine stand and cherry
picker when he put that engine back where it belonged.
Would have swore I heard a groan from the truck,
though :-)
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Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 08:27:09 -0800
From: J&D Marketing
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Zero Oil Pressure

Thanks for all of the comments and advice about my trucks oil pressure
scare. Problem solved. It WAS the oil pressure sending unit. I think that
I must have had 10 diferent people (none on this list) tell me that the
sending unit is either Good or Bad and that it will either read correctly
or not at all. I just want to go on record that the sending unit CAN have
an intermittent problem. I diagnosed the problem by running the engine till
the pressure seemingly dropped and then yanked the sender and put on a
actual pressure guage.

John
'68 F-100 4x4 429 4-Speed
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Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 08:43:10 -0800
From: J&D Marketing
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 5-Speed manual transmission swap

Can anyone tell me if the later model 5-speed truck transmission that Ford
uses was ever used behind a 429/460 or a 351M? I have toyed with the idea
of swapping my 4-speed for a C-6 for a long time but it would be a very
costly, labor intensive venture. So, I am considering just going with a
better manual transmission and possibly a hydraulic clutch. Has anyone else
ever tried this?

John
'68 F-100 4x4 429 4-Speed
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Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 11:53:27 -0500
From: "J. Doss Halsey"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - New guy, cab mounts

>There is one thing in general that these posts will do for Ya>>>>
>SAVE YOU TIME AND MONEY!!!
>
Or incite you to spend more time and money!

>Subject: cab and bed rubber mounts
>anybody know where to get the rubber biscuits that are in between the
frame and
>body?

Dennis Carpenter. They are pricey, however, in the kits (which come with
bolts). Near $100 for the cab mount kit, radiator support mounts sold
separately, bed kits sold separately. It can sure add up. Let me know if
you find a source for just the rubber.

Doss Halsey
'68 F250 390, trying to tune out that off-idle flat spot in the Holley with
the recent advice from Gary and Azie.
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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:33:15 -0800
From: "Charles T."
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Decals

> The decal on my OEM engine, with the info on emissions and tune-up
> specs, is largely unreadable. Are replacements available anywhere?
>
> Denny
> '72 F-100 360 2WD Manual everything, 140K

I don't know the company, but I see these decals at most all large swap
meets that I go to.

Charles
79 F150 4x4(460)
79 F150 2x4(302)

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Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 13:28:56 -0500
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 78 steering box sector shaft adjustment screw seal

I took my sector shaft out because it was leaking from the sector adj.
screw. I have a steering box rebuild kit, which has one small O-ring in
it. I don't see where it would go to seal the adj screw. In fact, I
don't see anything that would seal that. Any clues??

OX
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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 13:37:56 EST
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Decals

In a message dated 12/5/99 12:33:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,
charlest hal-pc.org writes:

>
> I don't know the company, but I see these decals at most all large swap
> meets that I go to.
>

Aren't these engine decals right here on this very site? Go to the FTE main
Site to check it out.

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (HELP!---I need 15 x5 factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flare Side
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Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 12:55:41 -0600
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Decals

Denny,

Jim Osborn Repops makes a very complete line of decals for all makes and
models
of cars and trucks. BUT, I have searched my JOR catalog with no luck on a
72 360 FE
emissions decal. I guess they have not started making them yet......

Timing is 6 degrees BTDC if I am not mistaken. Hope it helps.

If someone really wanted to provide a great service to fellow 72 FE owners,
(and other years too)
they could take a very clear photo of their very nice 72 FE sticker on the
drivers side valve cover
and mail it to Jim Osborn Reproductions so he could make a reproduction
sticker.....I think they are
safety orange in color if memory serves.

I noticed while searching his catalog, several engine decals from various
years are missing
from the truck line.......do we need to start gathering pics of original
stickers and see what he might do
for us???

If I make a list of those absent from his catalog and post to the group, I
will be happy to contact him and see what he will do for all years and
engines he is missing.....it is worth a try. Whadda ya think?? I'll start
on a list tonight.
Dedicated to preserving Ford trucks.

Stu
Nuke GM!
1971 F-100 4x4 - alive again!!

[Dedicated to preserving our older Ford trucks.]



At 11:33 AM 12/5/99 -0800, you wrote:
>> The decal on my OEM engine, with the info on emissions and tune-up
>> specs, is largely unreadable. Are replacements available anywhere?
>>
>> Denny
>> '72 F-100 360 2WD Manual everything, 140K
>
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Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 11:36:30 PST
From: "White Wolf"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Missed emails

Although I would still like to replace it (age and all) and though I haven't
found it yet(flasher) I found out why the flasher was acting funny... It is
the ignition switch.. I was driving the other day and notices all my gauges
quit working, so I jiggled the ignition and they can back on.. I stopped to
make a turn and the turn signal wasn't working right so I jiggled the
igniton and it came on... So I guess I need to replace it (again) as I just
replace it about 5 years ago....



>From: sdelanty sonic.net
>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Missed emails
>Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 15:56:43 -0800
>
> > And on that note does anyone knbow where I can find the turn signal
> >flasher for my '66 F100? I have tried 3 diff auto stores and Dennis
> >Carpenter and cannot find it... Although I might be looking for the wrong
> >thing. The auto stores give me a little round flasher with 2
>prongs(which
> >is what I am used to) but I cannot find anything like that on my truck!
>
> The little round 2-prong one should be the right one for your truck.
> It's generally located up under the dash, behind the instrument cluster.
> There's probably 2 flshers up there, one for the turn signals and
> one for the 4-way (emergency) lights.
> The turn signal one is the one that's higher up and harder to reach
> of the two...
>
> >What I am seeing as my flasher is on the engine side of the firewall with
>a
> >fuse on it.... Help?
>
> Hmmmm, dunno what you got there... horn relay?
>
> Steve
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Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 12:19:50 PST
From: "White Wolf"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - engine dieing

I know Im probably replying to this message a little late but have you
checked the fuel filter/pump?
My '66 used to do this and it turned out to be trash in the fuel tank.


>From: chris koran
>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>To: "'61-79-list ford-trucks.com'"
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - engine dieing
>Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 03:36:18 -0500
>
>hey all,
>i've got a problem that i hope someone out there has seen before and can
>help me with. my truck has been having a problem with a dieing
>problem. i am running a 300 with a 4 speed tranny. it usually happens
>at higher rpm (2500 and on up) and will cause the engine to completely
>shut off. when it does, it will start right back up as if nothing has
>happened. i've had my ignition bench checked, i replaced my coil (had
>the new one bench checked too), and the timing seems to be pretty
>close. i haven't been able to get the timing perfect though, 'cause my
>manual doesn't list it anywhere. it says to refer to the sticker under
>my hood which hasn't been there for years. the entire wire harness
>under the hood was first shook down, then, out of exasperation, totally
>rewired. it idles smoothly, runs smoothly down the road, but just dies
>off about every 4 to 5 minutes. i don't know if this is something
>simple or an unheard of problem. i really need help on this one.
>anything anyone can think would be great. thanks
>
>chris koran
>'79 F250 4X4
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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 13:39:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Daniel DiMartino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Decals

denny

i just got a catalog from Auto Krafters and they have a great
selection of decals that might fit what your looking for.


hope this helps



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Daniel DiMartino

1968 F-250 soon to be a 4x4
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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 13:45:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Ballinger
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Hedman Hedders

I talked to a guy at Summit racing and he said that
there is a header made specifically for the '65-66
F250 4X4 w/ 352. I'm wondering if anyone has this
header on their truck and if so could they snap some
pictures of them. I'm especially interested in if
they are just like the ones I have that don't fit very
well. If I could have a set that gets away from the
starter a little more they would be the ticket.



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Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 17:30:31 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Decals

At 01:37 PM 12/5/99 -0500, you wrote:
>In a message dated 12/5/99 12:33:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>charlest hal-pc.org writes:
>
> >
> > I don't know the company, but I see these decals at most all large swap
> > meets that I go to.
> >
>
>Aren't these engine decals right here on this very site? Go to the FTE main
>Site to check it out.
>
>Stock Man

Yes, we carry Jim Osborn's complete line without their $20 minimum.

Ken Payne
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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 19:12:38 -0500
From: "dempsey porter"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 400 ing timmin

okay ford freaks, I recentley purchased a out of state f150 that has a
transplanted 400 from 78 ltd. Cleaned up timming marks and indicater and
when I put the light on it the marks were nowhere to be found, yes I had the
light on #1.

68 f100
71 f100 w/460
72 f100 explorer
78 f150 4X4
83 f150
94 mustang GT

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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 20:22:49 EST
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - engine dieing

its supposed to heat up i know but it left a red line in my hands and its
burnt itself out of the tape,,,,now its working its way through its own
insulation,,,catching on fire in other words,,,,but what else is weird is
that it is spliced to another wire ,,,black and green i believe, but that
wire doesnt heat up at all,,,,,as for the electronic control box,,,thats
new,,,i replaced that also,,,which did help with the fact that it now STARTS
after it stalls and doesnt strand me somewhere.

Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M
True Blue Ford Blue
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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 20:21:56 -0600
From: Brett L Habben
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Clutch Question

Folks,
Other than Centerforce, does anybody have any clutch manufacturer
recommendations? How about long vs. diaphragm configuration? I'm
looking for longevity. Use includes trailering.
Thanks,
Brett
Super75cab
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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 20:14:45 -0600
From: Brett L Habben
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Clutch Fork Question

Folks,
Last month there was a thread about clutch fork clips. Today I was
digging through small block bellhousings and noticed two different fork
clip styles. One looks like a belt loop, with the fork spring looking
like a money clasp and is inserted through the loop. The second style is
solid with a pair of dog ears on the sides.
Which applications get which style? Is one newer?
Brett
Super75cab
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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 21:34:23 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 400 ing timmin

In a message dated 12/5/99 7:14:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,
tporter bright.net writes:


transplanted 400 from 78 ltd. Cleaned up timming marks and indicater and
when I put the light on it the marks were nowhere to be found, yes I had the
light on #1.
>>

From your stable of Fords I firmly believe you when you say you were on #1.
The outer ring on the balancer sometimes walks around, as the rubber belt
that separates the outer ring from the inner body will lose it's bonding and
allow slipage. I have been forced to relocate TDC on the outer ring. Pull
#1 plug, use a dowel or something that is not too likely to stay in the
cylinder or scratch it. Take the distributor cap off and rotate engine in
the normal direction until the distributor rotor starts coming up on #1
cylinder. Then use the dowel in contact with the piston and determine when
the piston has stopped raising. You may have to rock the crank back and
forth a few times but you can fairly precisely make a new mark on the outer
ring just under the timing pointer. That mark will be TDC and you can throw
in a 10 BTDC by just eye balling it. Now you have something to go on, unless
your balancer is in really bad condition it should be accurate for a little
while. If you determine the outer ring has walked, it probably is a good
idea to keep and eye on it, they can come apart. If you do a lot pulling at
full throttle replace it as your crank may break. Good Luck
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F250 4x4 460
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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 21:46:20 EST
From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Decals

In a message dated 12/5/99 12:33:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,
charlest hal-pc.org writes:

The decal on my OEM engine, with the info on emissions and tune-up
> specs, is largely unreadable. Are replacements available anywhere?
>
> Denny
> '72 F-100 360 2WD Manual everything, 140K

I don't know the company, but I see these decals at most all large swap
mee >>

You can also try lmc trucks. THey have allot of stickers like that & maybe
yours also. check at www.lmctruck.com

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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 21:55:12 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - engine dieing

In a message dated 12/5/99 8:25:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
IanBoss69 aol.com writes:


burnt itself out of the tape,,,,now its working its way through its own
insulation,,,catching on fire in other words,,,,but what else is weird is
that it is spliced to another wire ,,,black and green i believe, but that
wire doesnt heat up at all,,,,,as for the electronic control box,,,thats
new,,,i replaced that also,,,which did help with the fact that it now STARTS
after it stalls and doesnt strand me somewhere.

Ian >>
Would I be out of line here saying that something is wrong?
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 21:55:03 EST
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1966 Engine Rebuild Project

A little update for the list....I have put some final pictures up on my web
site in case anyone is interested which shows my 240 engine project to date.
Here is the direct link:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hometown.aol.com/tbeeee/page/Rebuild.html

Sorry for the slow load time. There are many pictures. Thanks again to all
for the support I have received during this project.

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (HELP!---I need 15 x5 factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flare Side
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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 22:43:42 -0500
From: "Redden"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - cab mounts

Jeff:

You can get a complete set of cab mounts from Dennis Carpenter
Reproductions.
Their website is: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dennis-carpenter.com/

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Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 20:26:22 PST
From: "George Litton"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - voltage drop problem

KIRK,

As a former battery salesman for Interstate Batteries, I will tell you that
you are not having any real problem. Another side to this is that stock
in-dash volt meters are notoriously inaccurate.

Your checking with full load on is a good thing. At idle voltage[with a
digital volt meter] should be 13.5 to 14.2 volts. Unless you are having a
starting problem, I would not worry.

George Litton


>From: Kirk Baillie
>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>To: Ford list
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - voltage drop problem
>Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 03:28:26 -0600
>
>Hi recently a problem with my 74F 250 4x4's electrical system is
>occurring. When i start up the truck the volt. meter reads just above
>12 until i rev it up then it kicks up to ~14. Also sometime when I come
>to a stop light the voltage drops down to just above 12 but when driving
>it is just below 14. This all occurs with the heater on high and the
>lights on.
>
>I checked the voltage regulator but it was fine, the bat. is less then a
>yr old, all the wiring seems fine. Im going to get the alt test
>tomorrow.
>
>Do you guys have any ideas on what this problem could be. Because
>before the meter needle never left 14 or just above 14.
>
>Thanks
>Kirk Baillie
>74 F250 Highboy 4x4
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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 22:51:37 -0600
From: Brent l Byers
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 302 oil fouling problem FOUND

Thanks for all the suggestions about my '73 302 oil fouling problem. On
number 8 cylinder, the fouling problem was caused by an e.g.r. valve that
had turned into o.r. ( oil recircling valve "). It seems after 200k
miles, that there is enough oil going out of the tail pipes, that it was
running through the e.g.r, into the intake and fouling number 4 and
number 8. However, all does not end well. I have absolutely NO
compression on number 4. The story goes as follows. One day truck runs
great, next day the distributer springs break and the plastic cam shaft
timing sprocket explodes. Thats right! 200k miles on a nylon timing
sprocket. Thats one for record books. Anyway, I replace all of the
offending parts, fire it up, and it only runs on two cylinders. Right
now number 8 is back to working, but of course number 4 is as dead as
nails. My theory is a stuck valve. My question is this is. Will any
damage be done by driving this as a v-7 until I can fix it? My '68 f-100
302 still has a funky head problem, and my '71 D*dge Dart Convertible
has no top. ( It snowed a little today. ) I also work and go to college
and finals are coming up. Since I am a little busy, can my drive it
with my bible and her cell phone in it?
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