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61-79-list-digest Saturday, December 4 1999 Volume 03 : Number 447



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In this issue:

RE: FTE 61-79 - Electric Fuel Pump
RE: FTE 61-79 - Electric Fuel Pump
FTE 61-79 - '65 F250 Engine Compartment Detail
RE: FTE 61-79 - Electric Fuel Pump
RE: FTE 61-79 - Carb. Adjust.
FTE 61-79 - Apprenticeship
FTE 61-79 - platinum plugs was capacities
RE: FTE 61-79 - Carb. Adjust. bottomless pit
FTE 61-79 - electronic ign for '67 240?
RE: FTE 61-79 - Resources and learning curves
FTE 61-79 - fuel pumps
FTE 61-79 - engine dieing
Re: FTE 61-79 - electronic ign for '67 240?
RE: FTE 61-79 - 4x4 vans
FTE 61-79 - Water in a Diesel's Fuel
FTE 61-79 - Primer for Aluminum
FTE 61-79 - 5mins and out
Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 timing
FTE 61-79 - Re: Water Heated spacer
Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Paint
Re: FTE 61-79 - engine dieing
FTE 61-79 - Engine Paint POR-15
FTE 61-79 - Rear Disk Brakes for F250 2wd
FTE 61-79 - Steering Slop
Re: FTE 61-79 - electronic ign for '67 240?
FTE 61-79 - Diesels, Pulling, & CrewCabs?, Gotta deal for you!
FTE 61-79 - Intro Time
FTE 61-79 - voltage drop problem

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Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 10:46:27 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Electric Fuel Pump

Gary wrote:
>> I'll have
>> to tear one down and see what makes it tick, tick, tick,
>> tock......:-)

Wish replied:
>I'm always scared of things in fuel systems that tick ... just seems wrong
>...

I've heard a few pumps that tick, but never one that talks. Oh wait,
that's "tock"... never mind.

>remember when you're on the bomb squad you only get one "oops"

Yeah, but you make great video footage for the 11 o'clock news!

Steve
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Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 10:46:26 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Electric Fuel Pump

Gary wrote:
>Made sense but not with the way I am visualizing the pump. Guess I'll have
>to tear one down and see what makes it tick, tick, tick, tock......:-) Just
>happens that I have a few lying around...:-) (who would've guessed :-))

Yeah, open one up and see what you think. Hope it's one that has screws
and not rivets! (-:

Steve
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Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:42:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Ballinger
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '65 F250 Engine Compartment Detail

Hey Guys,

I'm trying to figure out what I need to do my engine
compartment and engine like it originally came. I
have a mutt mid-70's 360 or 390 with a Performer and a
set of '65 style valve covers that have been painted
blue (should be gold-bronze) in it now. I want to
detail it back to as much original color and hardware
as I can. It will have a black painted CJ iron intake
I hope, if not it will be a black painted Performer,
and Headers. Ironically, the head casting numbers of
my "baby 427" heads are correct for the 208hp 352,
cool huh?

If anyone has(and I think I've heard someone say they
did, but I can't remeber who) an unmolested or fully
restored '65 F250 with a 352 4-speed, could you take
some color snaps of the engine compartment and engine
for me? I'd sure appreciate it, the restoration
detail data is thin on trucks as we all well know.
I've got the engine colors, black and gold. But I'd
like to see how the hardware looks, style, wire
routes, etc. along with color so I can get as much of
the right stuff as I can, from my collection of "junk"
as SWMBO calls it.



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Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:12:01 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Electric Fuel Pump

Won't matter.....you and I are capable of putting it back together in any
case :-) If I can't get it back together I'll mail it to you or Azie :-)

- --
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> Yeah, open one up and see what you think. Hope it's one that
> has screws
> and not rivets! (-:
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Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 14:29:12 -0500
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Carb. Adjust.

At 03:05 PM 12/2/99 -0500, you wrote:
> If you
>mean when cold then this is one thing but when warm it is probably something
>else.

Yeah, once I got to work yesterday it did OK when I tromped it.
It's still a little rich, I'll have to take care of that later. The weather
this weekend calls for working on getting the new truck home, and cleaning
the garage.

>You should have the black spring in the secondary vac on a heavy vehicle
>like a 4x4 but lighter pickups which do not actually work for a living can
>get away with lighter springs there.

I got the spring kit with the carb when I bought it. I placed a
big order with PAW last Fri. for one of my wife's vehicles. I slipped one
of those quick change covers for the secondaries onto the order form. It
was only $5 or $6 so I figure I can play around with it a little. They
recommend the black or brown spring. I won't know what's in there till I
put that cover on.
I think a new torque wrench magically appeared on that order form
too. We'll have to see when the UPS man shows up.


Ted Wnorowski
Bellevue,OH
' 64 F-250
352 transplant
4 speed
' 63 F-100
parts truck

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Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 13:27:09 -0600
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Apprenticeship

>>I don't know how old you are Pat but.......my projects sometimes reach the
critical stage and I have to give in.....:-( (not very often though :-)) In
my case it's usually the learning curve that makes the decision for me :-)

There's another factor or two in this equation, too, Gary. Like my time is
more valuable in dollars and cents now than it used to be. I can remember a
time when I would spend a couple of hours putting $2.50 worth of parts into
a starter to repair it and another hour or so taking it on and off. Of
course in those days, $20 was a good days wage. I can save enough time/money
by replacing the whole shebang than I save by rebuilding it myself nowadays.
I was (and still am) of the philosopy that if there was someone smart enough
to build something the first time, I'm smart enough to take it apart,
recognize what's broke, then put it back together so it works again. Well,
it usually works out OK. Sometimes I wind up with a useless piece of junk,
but heck it didn't work before I started on it, so I haven't lost anything
but some valuable time that I wanted to spend.

I draw the line at paying $500 to have an 85 cent freeze plug replaced. My
SWMBO still gives me the fisheye over the air conditioner escapade on her
Towncar this summer. But it will flat get cold fast in that car now. I hope
the heater still works.........

- -- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry)
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Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 13:31:51 -0600
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - platinum plugs was capacities

>>I run platinums in everything I own. I don't get any performance gain from
it,
but I don't have the plug fouling problem that I have with standard plugs.
On
my daily drivers, I don't worry so much, because it runs enough to keep the
plugs cleans, but on my other 3 vehicles that only get started and run once
or
twice a month I have the problem.

Anyways....that's why I run platinums.

- - -Ted

I'm with Ted. But I run Motorcraft platinums. I don't want anything from the
land of the rising sun that I can knowingly avoid. It's a personal problem,
I know. Everything I own has electronic ignition, too.

- -- John
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1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry)
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Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:49:10 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Carb. Adjust. bottomless pit

Yeah, I'm getting ready to get some metal for my beast. I don't call it the
"Black Hole" for nothing :-) Floors falling out, body mounts falling
off......

Hey! BTW, I didn't see any body mount metal parts in the new JCW catalog I
just got. Have to remember to look in the truck flyer catalog I got. May
be more stuff in there for the Fords :-)

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Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> I think a new torque wrench magically appeared on
> that order form
> too. We'll have to see when the UPS man shows up.
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Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:54:55 -0800
From: "Southerland, Rich"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - electronic ign for '67 240?

SWMBO's father has a '67F100 w/a 240. Tired of the points. Is there a
complete electronic ignition "kit" out there that works? Or should we
convert using newer OEM stuff?

TIA
Rich
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Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:59:48 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Resources and learning curves

That right there is a good example. I don't have the gauges and equipment
to purge and refill AC units so don't mess with it. When the AC breaks I
have to make a choice to either trade or pay someone to fix it. Again it's
both a learning curve and equipment. How much money do we have to spend on
expensive, one time use equipment? Got to make choices. AC still scares me
due to lack of equipment and experience with it but some day I may plunge
into that too. Some day I might even look into EFI, who knows :-) I
managed to get the whole AC unit off the lincoln intact without breaking any
lines so theoretically it will work if I put it back in the bronco but what
a hassle to handle all that stuff all hooked together, WHEEEEEW! That's the
pump, hoses, condenser, dryer, evaporator and housing, all in one piece :-)
Only part that came out separately was the heater core which is really cool
on that outfit.....oh, no that was the evaporator, the heater core is still
in the housing, my mistake :-) Heater core is still one of those inside
jobs :-(

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Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167
- --

> I draw the line at paying $500 to have an 85 cent freeze plug
> replaced. My
> SWMBO still gives me the fisheye over the air conditioner
> escapade on her
> Towncar this summer. But it will flat get cold fast in that
> car now. I hope
> the heater still works.........
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Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 14:35:32 -0600
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - fuel pumps

Speaking of oil in the crankcase. On a 70 4x4 F250 with probably a 360 (too
long ago) the fuel pump was squirting a stream of gas under the hood. My
mother and her friend put chewing gum over the hole so they didn't set it on
fire. It ruptured the diaphragm, but got them home. I got three and a half
gallons of gasoline out of the crankcase when I changed the oil.

- -- John
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1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry)
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Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 14:31:35 -0600
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - engine dieing

Chris,

I had two similar experiences years ago. Once, there was a wire falling over
against the headers and shorting out. When the engine died and cooled
slightly, it would turn loose and run again. Since you had wiring
challenges, this might be a thought. The next time, a wire under the dash
fell down across the emergency brake mechanism (foot type). The ratchet part
sawed a notch in the insulation. Every time I reached up there to hunt the
problem, I would move it and it would run. Spotted this one while I was
looking for something else one day.

Good luck. Those sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't are no fun.

- -- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
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Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:14:45 -0800
From: "Jerry Godsey"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - electronic ign for '67 240?

Drop in a Pertronix. It is an electrnouic ignition that fits under your
stock rotor. The only difference from the outside is an extra wire running
to your distributor. they run them in Mustangs and cougar all the time. I
am getting ready to drop one in my Econoline after the holidays. gotta pay
for Christmas first!
Blessings,
Jerry Godsey
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From: Southerland, Rich
To: '61-79-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Friday, December 03, 1999 12:12 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - electronic ign for '67 240?


>SWMBO's father has a '67F100 w/a 240. Tired of the points. Is there a
>complete electronic ignition "kit" out there that works? Or should we
>convert using newer OEM stuff?
>
>TIA
>Rich
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Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:58:12 -0600
From: Jeff Lester
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 4x4 vans

Gary,

You hit the nail on the head. The main reason I drive Scooby is he
has a unique personality.

Jeff Lester and Scooby - League City, Texas
78 Ford E350 4x4, 460, C6, NP205, D44/70,3.73, 35" BFG MT's
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> Jeff, A tear still comes to my eye when I think about mine. I still have
> his heart in the barn. All the drive line components are stored away for
> another project and the 460 engine is in my pickup now but the memory will
> never die of that faithful beast :-( (75 short box E-150) I love my bronco
> but it doesn't have the same personality the van had :-( I built it from
> scratch with bronco parts and called it my long wheel base bronco :-)
>
> Many people dont' know that a van has a much stronger frame than a pickup of
> the same capacity so makes a very durable, sturdy 4x4 :-)
>
> --
> Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
> 78 Bronco Loving, Gary
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167
> --
>
> > For as long as I can remember, I have wanted a 4x4 Ford van.
>
> > current 4x4 which I found on the internet. Scooby was too nice
> > to pass up, so I drove him 2000+ miles back home to Houston.
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Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 15:34:27 -0800
From: Marv Miller
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Water in a Diesel's Fuel

Tom Hogan wrote, in part:

> All it takes is one load of fuel with water in it and it will mean a multi
> repair bill.

Take a tip from the guys who run heavy equipment. Many fuel filter manufacturers
make a "cornstarch" filter. Water gets in it, the cornstarch gets wet and clogs
the filter closed. It then passes nothing. Could leave you stranded unless you
have spares, but it sure beats the alternatives. I don't think I'd own a diesel without
an in-line water separator that got drained every morning.

Marv Miller mailto:ae722 lafn.org
"Striving to be the person
that my dog thinks I am".
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Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 15:45:16 -0800
From: Marv Miller
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Primer for Aluminum

Steve Delanty wrote, in part:
> After the primer I shot it with a few
> coats of Krylon. /it's been a couple years now and it's holding
> up pretty good axcept for a place that spilled fuel puddled up
> in a low spot and ate the paint off the manifold...

Steve, did it eat up the Mar-Hyde primer, as well? That might tell us something.

Marv Miller mailto:ae722 lafn.org
"Striving to be the person
that my dog thinks I am".
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Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 17:16:33 -0800
From: "S.Harkema"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 5mins and out

> it idles smoothly, runs smoothly down the road, but just dies
> off about every 4 to 5 minutes. i don't know if this is something
> simple or an unheard of problem. i really need help on this one.
> anything anyone can think would be great. thanks


Another possibility is the bowl vent on the carb is plugged.Had this
problem on a off brand that I unfortunatlky used to own.
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Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 20:59:39 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 timing

In a message dated 12/3/99 10:49:35 AM Eastern Standard Time,
David.R.John deluxe.com writes:


vehicles nearly everyday but I need you to dumb it down a little for me.
First off where should I start with my timing, 10 degrees advanced with the
vacuum advance plugged (Is this in the shop manuals and where, or is it
something they leave for the sticker on the valve cover that is long gone)?
Please bear in mind that all I have is a timing light that plugs into the
spark plug and a tach at my disposal. I can't make out the markings on the
balancer very good >>

Glad you ask, it is not a stupid question. The trial and error method you
outlined will work, but I do not recommend it if you have a timing light,
even one with weak light. The first thing you need to do is clean and mark
the balancer so you have something to shoot at. Some times it is impossible
to clean and mark it from above. I get a light, wrench, wire brush or sand
paper, and something to mark in white. I use correction white-out from my
wife's office supplies. Any way get comfortable, park the light where it
illuminates the bottom or side of the balancer, then use the wrench to rotate
the balancer until the marks are visible. It has been my experience some
times that even then you can not read the marks very well. Use the sandpaper
or wire brush to clean it up, or even one of those greenies from under the
kitchen sink. Once you have figured out where 10 degrees BTDC is mark it in
White. Now start it and time it as you outlined before. If perchance the
engine should knock under load then try 8 degrees BTDC, but you will be able
to figure out where that is now that you have marked 10 degree spot.

You mentioned advancing to the point of knocking or where the starter starts
having problems. Being one of those people that used to do that thinking I
was saving money on gas, let me say this. If you can learn from those who
have gone before you, do not bother, it will cost you more that the gas you
might save. The first thing that happens is the starter will develop a
half-life that any nuclear dump would be proud to have in their isotopes. If
the nuclear dump could zap their waste with your half-life, within 3 months
you could safely drink from the waste containers.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F250 4x4 460
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Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 21:00:20 -0600
From: Brett L Habben
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Water Heated spacer

Steve,
Uh, I didn't come up with this solution to the heat problem on rodded
6's. I can't remember if it was Clifford, Sissell, or whoever, but one
of them markets a new water heated carb spacer just for this purpose.
Their argument for this approach was superior temperature regulation. And
it may just be to prevent carb icing. Or how about this idea: plumb it
in series with your heater core. There's already a vacuum controlled
water valve on your heater hose (My '75 w/AC, anyway). Water flow is
shut off except when your heater is on. TaDa! (Well, it's one idea.)
The other I had involved replumbing the EGR tube off the back exhaust
manifold into the Offie heat crossover chamber built into the bottom of
the intake.
I'm sick. I love the 300. Square 4"x4" design. Smoooooooooth. Iron
timing gears. No timing chain (or, God forbid belt). Easy access to
valvetrain AND lifters. H ll, easy access to everything, for that
matter! Plugs in a row sticking right out at you. Only 6 instead of 8 of
everything so you're saving 25% in parts and machining costs right off
the top. Oh, the symmetry of the head bolts.... It's a masterpiece of
simplicity. The beauty is in the design.
Brett
Super75cab


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Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 23:30:56 EST
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Paint

i know that the eastwood company makes some sort of high temp stainless steel
paint, I havent been able to find anyone who sells it though. supposed to be
a great product from what i read about it

Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M
True Blue Ford Blue
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Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 23:44:26 EST
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - engine dieing

I seem to be having one of those myself,,,as you may or may not recall I
performed a 2 month teardown due to several things,,,one being the stick
through the rotted radiator,,,the other being the fact that it was stalling
and wouldnt start for a day or two, well, along comes the new
radiator,,,,right after i bought headers and broke off 3 manifold bolts in
the head,,,so off comes the front end,,,after a month of not running,,,it
started reluctantly and i put it all back together,,,well now it stalls all
the time while im driving,,,i seemed to fix the problem of not starting for a
day because it starts right back up, but its really annoying,,,and
embarressing, i cant find out whats wrong with it,,,,I rebuilt the carb, had
it tuned, replaced EVERY underhood electrical part i could find,,,,except the
wires,,,,and to top it all off, a wire under the dash,,,,coming out of the
ignition switch ( thick pink with gray stripe) likes to heat up when the key
is on but the truck isnt running. when its running its fine,,,,anyways thats
my sometimes it works and sometimes it dont problem,,,i was planning to
rewire the thing soon,,,,there goes another 250 bucks,,,,yay

Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M
True Blue Ford Blue
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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 01:40:26 EST
From: NTesla333 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Engine Paint POR-15

I painted an IH (International Harvester....for u ford heads) V345 w/ black
POR15 and the exhaust manifolds w/ their high temp manifold paint.... no
primer was needed...paints on easily an provides a durable black gloss. It
works well on engine but the manifold paint is burning off at about 100
miles after initial start up. Overall analysis .... POR15 is good stuff for
stopping rust and sealing metal...easy to paint... but once a can is opened,
it has a very short shelf life. If you are going to take a couple days to
paint or do more than one coat, pour the paint into a glass jar and wipe off
all paint off rim before sealing jar. This stuff is essentially a type of
glue. It is isocyanurate based paint that cures upon exposure to air
humidity. Seal up in can and you will have to open it in a brutal messy
fashion (ie. cut/bash/smash open can). They also are very proud of their
product and charge top dollar. There are similar paints out there with same
formulation, that are cheaper... Contact me if you want alternatives.

Robert Bowen
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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 01:52:10 EST
From: NTesla333 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rear Disk Brakes for F250 2wd

I have just bought a 78 F250 extended cab V460.... I noticed in Petersens 4
Wheel Off Road this month has an article on how to change vintage ('70-'80
ish) Dod*es rear drum into disk. Do any of you folks know of
instructions/ideas/web pages/magazines that would enable me to put rear disk
brakes on my cool new/old Ford. Thanks in advance. God Bless.
Robert Bowen
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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 01:52:29 EST
From: NTesla333 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Steering Slop

I have just bought a 78 F250 extended cab V460. I have fixed everything and
it runs great. But... like a lot of old trucks the steering is loosy goosy.
Is there any way to adjust the steering to tighten the slop. Tie rod ends
good.... Rag joint good...Bearings/seals good.... Or is my only option to
rebuild or replace. Thanks in advance. God Bless.
Robert Bowen

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Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 01:28:50 -0600
From: Craig Cantrell
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - electronic ign for '67 240?

Here's a link to Pertronix. People that have them like them real well.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.vintageperformance.com/retrorockets/

"Southerland, Rich" wrote:

> SWMBO's father has a '67F100 w/a 240. Tired of the points. Is there a
> complete electronic ignition "kit" out there that works? Or should we
> convert using newer OEM stuff?
>
> TIA
> Rich

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Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 23:58:00 -0800
From: Carver
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Diesels, Pulling, & CrewCabs?, Gotta deal for you!

i know this is outside of the 61-79 year framework, but with
the recent discussion of diesels and such, and being a crewcab,
I just had to let you know of a very cool Ford truck for sale.

Its an '84 F-7000 CrewCab Diesel with 74K miles. Spotted it
in a used car lot in Auburn CA (30 miles east of Sacramento).
There are no typos above, it's a Ford F7000 commercial
with a customized crewcab and a conventional bed in the back
holding up a conventional camper. The hitch on the rear is
rated for 8000 pounds, don't know what the truck is rated at.

Original owner has it on the lot on a consignment basis.
I talked to someone who knew little else, says the price
is in the $30-35K range. 530-885-9723 I'd be very willing to
check it out even further for anyone interested in purchasing
such a fine piece of work.

Being such a fan of crewcabs as I am, I just had to stop and
check it out. Very cool. Excellent condition, I thought it
was lots newer. I have a few pitcures, but it wil be a while
before th roll gets processed. Gotta get a digital someday.

If i had a need for a hauler for a trailer plus people,
it would be the only way to go.

Jeff '64 F100 CrewCab


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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 00:58:37 -0800
From: Carver
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Intro Time

I feel like a criminal with Ken one step behind me!
I manage to keep subscribing via web based free email
sites that end up on the persons-non-grata list so I
can read mail but not post! A real pain. This time
things should work just fine.

44, married 15 years, twin sons 12, girl 8. One son
already has dibs on my truck! Engineer type with
education in Aeronautical/Mechanical working as
a Manufacturing Engineer for the past 20, but now
masquerading as a Project Manager in the computer
server integration world temporarily with
Hewlett Packard in Roseville CA (near Sacramento).

Didn't grow up working on vehicles, spent a lost of
years working on VW's, mostly busses, so have a large
assortment of metric tools. Have had to buy lots of
new English unit tools to be able to work on the truck,
such a shame, being forced to buy tools!

Live in the foothills between Sacramento and Lake Tahoe,
above the fog and below the snow.

Now the important stuff, the truck. No fancy names,
just 'The Truck'. A coachbuilt '64 F100 CrewCab.
My definition of coachbuilt is that it was ordered
from a dealer and the first owner started driving in
the coach built configuration. Custom built is a truck
that was changed into something else after the first
owner took delivery.

This means that there are some strange things on it.
External rear door hinges, power brake booster from
a B**ck Electra, carrier bearing for the drive shaft
from a Ch*vy! Who knows what else! Anytime I find
something broken, I have to take the part in and
have them identify it for me!

It's built on a regular long bed frame with the bed
cut short and another cab grafted on, so it handles
like a regular truck (well a little heavier).

I spotted the truck with a for sale sign in it on
a family bike ride. Dad & I chased it down, got the
information and arranged to go see it. Rich old guy
rock hound was thinking about selling it. We proceeded
to talk himout of it. Dad paid $2800 not knowing that
he could have gone to the Ford dealer and ordered a
stock '65 F250 Crewcab for about $2300!

The rock hound was using it to haul a flatbed with
his J**p on it, along with boxes that lined the sides
of the trailer, which he used to hold rocks. Can you
say a really heavy load? I still have the original
hitch on there. Rental places refuse to rent any
size trailer due to the hitch being attached with
one bolt, that's right one 1/2 inch bolt, loaded
in shear and bending. I don't blame them!

Dad had a custom camper made for it that had a
6 foot overhang. I loved traveling in that
camper lying down looking out the front window.
Very mesmerizing to watch snow coming straight
at you illuminated by the headlights.
Wish I still had the camper. It weighed 3/4 ton.

GVW on the door is 5000 lbs. I tip the scale,
with a couple of garbage cans, at 4800 lbs.
Any wonder why the springs were shot!?

Anyway, getting wordy, so I'll stop.

If anyone knows any history of early crewcabs,
the coach houses who did this type of work, I'd
love to hear from you.

Jeff '64 F100 CrewCab

If you know of any dead VW busses that need to be removed....


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