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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Fan Shroud
FTE 61-79 - RE: Blower motor ?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Fan Shroud
RE: FTE 61-79 - GT 500 heads
RE: FTE 61-79 - 50wt Oil in a Trans
RE: FTE 61-79 - As If!
RE: FTE 61-79 - Suggestions
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Ranchero
FTE 61-79 - 302
Re: FTE 61-79 - 302
FTE 61-79 - Brake Problems
RE: FTE 61-79 - Apprenticeship
FTE 61-79 - Tetraethyl Lead
Re: FTE 61-79 - Cast Iron FE Rocker Arm Stanchions
RE: FTE 61-79 - Brake Problems
RE: FTE 61-79 - Best Compressor
FTE 61-79 - Radiator in a 400
FTE 61-79 - Rebuilt C6/transfer case Available
FTE 61-79 - cummins turbo in a ford
FTE 61-79 - 351C Swap
RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Blower motor ?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Brake Problems
Re: FTE 61-79 - First firing.....the whole story
FTE 61-79 - Who be I am
RE: FTE 61-79 - Brake Problems
RE: FTE 61-79 - cummins turbo in a ford
Re: FTE 61-79 - Brake Problems
Re: FTE 61-79 - cummins turbo in a ford
Re: FTE 61-79 - Who be I am
Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 Bronco Rebuild - Two Birds
FTE 61-79 - FE Electric Fuel Pump?
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Electric Fuel Pump?
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Electric Fuel Pump?
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Electric Fuel Pump?
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Electric Fuel Pump?
FTE 61-79 - Compressor
FTE 61-79 - Water heated 4v carb spacer
Re: FTE 61-79 - Water heated 4v carb spacer
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Electric Fuel Pump?
RE: FTE 61-79 - cummins turbo in a ford
Re: FTE 61-79 - Pigeon Forge 2000
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Electric Fuel Pump?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 302
FTE 61-79 - cab on, no brakes
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Electric Fuel Pump?
FTE 61-79 - going to Colorado, need parts!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tetraethyl Lead
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Electric Fuel Pump?

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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 07:16:47 -0500
From: "HARLEY A PUTNAM"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fan Shroud

Howdy folks, just wondering if anyone on the list knows of a supplier for a
fan shroud for a 1969 F-100 with a 302 engine. I have tried the local bone
yards, and they are all either missing or in such poor shape as to be
unusable. Any help appreciated!

The Dirtyman

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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:16:30 -0500
From: "Matthew Schwartz"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Blower motor ?

I did use the posted instructions on the FTE site .I am interested where
the "clips" are that hold the trap door in place nearest the blower motor.
Do I have to reach into the small blower compartment a feel around ie.
hidden from view?

Thanks

Matt


>Yes, I have done it. Mine is a 76 and the procedure that I posted on the
>FTE site is from the factory manual. Use it to get to the blower motor.
If
>you have any other questions go ahead and ask. When I did it I did get the
>motor out through the cab like the AC evaporator and heater core
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 05:19:52 -0800
From: Mike Pacheco
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Fan Shroud

I ordered 2 different shrouds from Ford with no luck, I ended up buying
a fiberglass kit and repairing mine, then painting it. The shroud looks
better than the 2 I received from Ford.
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:09:48 -0600
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - GT 500 heads

> Come to think of
> it I have never seen a CJ head casting that was dated before '68 so maybe
> this what they used on the early GT-500s.(anybody else know more
> about this,
> I'd like to know too)

You're catchin on now! The CJ came out as a 68.5 model in the Mustang line,
that's when the KR version of the Shelby came out as well ... Shelby himself
always claimed there was no advantage to the KR over the previous versions
(less than 5hp), and recent tests on a dyno have proved him right (imagine
that) ... this applies only to the Shelbies that already had the nice
intakes and stuff on them ...

Anyway the bigger valves and such don't help any if you can't get it to
breathe, and with the 'stang engine compartment as small as it was, the
exhaust manifolds were the restriction (still are if you're anywhere near
stock...)

Hope that helps you out ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:16:20 -0600
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 50wt Oil in a Trans

> most of the late model manual transmissions use automatic
> transmission fluid.
> and i know that some of the big truck trannys call for dextron 2
> synthetic
> fluid.
>

*shudder* right you are, my 'stang uses the auto tranny fluid ... most guys
even go so far as to recommend *gasp* GM Syncromesh fluid for it!

I'll stick with synthetic though, thanks.

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:23:31 -0600
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - As If!

> Anyways, as I was saying, As if I wasn't having enough problems
> with the
> truck lately I noticed last night as I was driving home that my
> turn signals
> are not working when my heater is on!!!!
>

I don't suppose someone's hacked at your wiring under the dash (aftermarket
stereo installed perhaps?) ??? This would imply a bad ground to me ... or
at least goofy wiring ... I'm also making the brash assumption you mean the
heater fan (blower motor) not the actual temp itself ... if its the temp
itself, check for wires pinching in the cables and such under that dash ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:24:41 -0600
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Suggestions

> Manual choke and I have checked for it though thanks....
>
>

Hmmmmm... what about a vaccuum leak ? Possibly the colder weather cracked a
hose, or caused something to contract and create a leak somewhere ... can
you hear any additional hissing or anything ?

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:26:28 -0600
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Ranchero

> 72 is a good year, because of the GT hood.

I know that's why I claim a vehicle is good, its got a cool hood on it ;)

j/k. The GT hoods do look great and mean on those Rancheros ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:40:04 -0500 (EST)
From: Jimbo
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 302

I am in search of a 302 and a five speed for my truck. I want a carburated
one from from a Mustang. Up to what year were they carburated, and did that
combination ever include a five speed or just four speeds?

Jimbo

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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:49:36 -0500
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 302

Jimbo wrote:
>
> I am in search of a 302 and a five speed for my truck. I want a carburated
> one from from a Mustang. Up to what year were they carburated,

85, 85 was 210-HP, 83-84 was 175 HP.

and did that
> combination ever include a five speed or just four speeds?

5 spd from 83-85. 82 had SROD (4 speed OD)

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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 07:56:21 PST
From: "James Stepke"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Brake Problems

Okay guys,
I have got a problem i haven't had time to investigate yet!! I drove my
truck around the yard the other day and it drained the front resevoir on the
brake Master Cylinder!! I filled it and drove for about 5 min and it did it
again!! I did a quick look and couldn't find any fluid leaking but i am not
for sure!! Any ideas where to start. It is a 1979 F150 400 V8 and 4x4!
Also this truck has only been driven three times since it sat for 8 years!!

Thanks in advance
James

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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:58:10 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Apprenticeship

Ok, I grew up as an air force brat but spent all of my teen years as a farm
boy next door to my grand dad's farm and living on my dad's 30 acre
gentleman farm (his dream which never really materialized). I began by
helping my grand dad with tractors and he gave me an old washing machine
motor, about 1/4 hp, all cast iron to play with. I took this thing apart
and put it back together so many times it was rediculous. Then, after I
deemed myself an expert I snuck a cushman scooter into my grand dad's barn
and secretly worked on it to get it running but my siblings told on me and I
had to own up to sneaking a forbidden "motor cyle" into my life :-( I then
progressed to rebuilding a 235 chevy by putting shims under the bearings
since we couldn't afford new ones, burning out the clutch trying to turn it
over and eventually getting the rods loose enough to run for about 6 months
before throwing a rod :-) From there it was a Triumph Spitfire, 3 Harleys,
a Norton, Suzuki and several vehicles: 66 ford, 70 montego, 67 pickup, 73
van etc. and then the 75 van which got several engines and a 4x4 treatment
and during that fiasco I took a local college course in engine rebuilding
which helped polish up what I had learned the hard way so far, essentially
with little help from anyone since I had more expertise than any of my
family by then (that is not saying much either :-)) My dad was an aircraft
mechanic but had trouble relating his experience to cars and trucks. He was
actually more of a leader than a doer so didn't realy get deep into the
mechanical parts of it. Made mastersgt in 4 years. Smart man but not a
natural mechanic :-)

Now I just basically fix what breaks and dream about having the time to
actually work on something just for kicks :-( I do have a method though
that works pretty well for getting new stuff bolted on.......when the
exhaust goes out for instance I find that the manifolds are not working well
either so need to be replaced with "headers".....an absolute essential to
keeping the work truck on the road :-) My wife always gets this lump in the
side of her cheek when I give her my explainations but it floats anyway...(I
think that lump is her tongue....in cheek :-))

My retirement shop is progressing nicely though and will be ready for me to
play in and meanwhile is providing a work space for "necessary" repairs :-)
That little add a room in the back of the barn has cost me nearly $1000 so
far :-( $200 here, $200 there, you know how it goes, eh? My method works
here too....I built a 8x15' space with 2x8 joists to store my daughter's and
wife's and step son's stuff on top of but an insulated work shop underneath.
I used sliding doors to allow a 56" opening and installed the white lattice
we used in my daughter's wedding on the exterior walls and sliding doors so
when the doors are closed the whole wall is one long lattice work with white
lights in it so we can have parties there by simply sweeping the
floor.....the decorations are already in place :-) They still don't really
accept this as equal treatment but I manage to slide it by this way :-)

BTW, this last bit of tutelage is absolutely required learing for married
truck nuts :-) You have to have a method to keep your hobby :-)

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> I was there during the 60's and 70's but didn't do much
> repair on cars
> except for the occasional muffler or emergency water pump.
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 09:40:27 -0600
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tetraethyl Lead

>>To this very day aircraft fuel uses lead to get the 110-125 octane they need
with upwards of 12:1 compresssion engines AFAIK? It is allowed because
small aircraft which use this fuel only account for a very small percentage
of the problem.

Yes, lead is required for higher octane, but is the anti-knock compound
(lubricant) as everyone has said. But the lead is not the compund that
actually raises the octane.

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jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry)
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:15:32 -0600
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Cast Iron FE Rocker Arm Stanchions

There was a company called Dove Manufacturing selling FE performance
parts. I thought they were out of Florida, but I could be wrong. Any of
the list members have an address or phone number?

Jason

Ted and Sarah Freeman wrote:
>
> Anybody have or know where I can get the cast iron (tall) stanchions that
> support the rocker arm shaft for an FE head? If you have some for sale,
> please email me privately.

> -Ted
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:20:21 -0600
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Brake Problems

> I have got a problem i haven't had time to investigate yet!! I drove my
> truck around the yard the other day and it drained the front
> resevoir on the
> brake Master Cylinder!! I filled it and drove for about 5 min
> and it did it
> again!! I did a quick look and couldn't find any fluid leaking
> but i am not
> for sure!! Any ideas where to start. It is a 1979 F150 400 V8 and 4x4!
> Also this truck has only been driven three times since it sat for
> 8 years!!
>

Have you checked brakes, IE bled them to be sure all the air is out of the
line ? You could be just forcing the fluid in where none has been for some
time ...

Also check and see if the m/c looks wet .. .mine seems to push itself out
the top, but I'll be replacing that soon enough that I just keep it filled
up ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:36:26 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Best Compressor

Before you get the 7.5 hp model CH, check your electric service and make
sure it will handle 218 LRA, that's lock rotor amps which is what you get
when the switch first clicks on. Mine turns off the neighbors lights when
it starts and at a rated 30 amp continuous draw it drops my household 240v
voltage 5 volts at steady state due to poor service lines from the
transformer.....:-(

I agree that Campbell Housefeld is the best. I've had two and one has run
with no oil change or refill for over 20 years. Don't even know if it has
any in it any more :-) I am taking better care of my new one though :-) It
has a sight glass for oil level, don't have to take out any plugs to check
it :-)

My first one was a 1 hp induction motor I got at a junk yard and a CH single
cylinder, oil splash pump. It would run any impact I have but would not
keep up with sanders or die grinders etc. and sufficed for pumping up tires
etc. for 20 years. If this is all you plan to do then why waste good money
on more than you need? A 3 or 4 hp with a 4-6 cfm output at 90 psi is
sufficient for this kind of thing but if you plan on blasting, running body
tools like sanders etc. then a 5 hp is minimum with about 9-12 cfm or so at
90 psi. If you plan on blasting you will need more cfm and more pressure as
well. Most of these smaller ones only have a rating of 130 psi which is not
enough for efficient blasting.

For heavy duty work like blasting, painting, sanding etc. you need 175 psi
cuttoff with 25 cfm at 90 or so for the best results. Mine puts out 28 cfm
at 90 and almost 20 at 175 but turns the neighbors lights off when it starts
so you have to consider all the facets of your needs and the power you have
available.

Gallons simply means recovery rate or time you can use it before it is
depleted. It gives you a cushion. If you are doing small paint jobs,
running an occasional impact and pumping up tires and have sufficient cfm
in the pump then 20 gal is fine or if you use it only occasionally and have
to pump it up every time then 20 is better unless you are running marginal
cfm capacity and need the buffer of more gallons. An 80 gal tank is very
large and takes up a lot of space so consider all your needs and make a
package based on that, not what's purty or cool or......:-)

Here's a typical problem: you need it to hold up for 3-4 minute bursts of
use and have some scheduled wait time between bursts in virtually every
instance you plan to use it then a small pump and moderate tank make sense
but if you will be running high cfm's for longer periods with no breaks you
need a much larger pump and with larger pumps you have larger motors which
run more efficiently if you run them for a longer period of time so a larger
tank then makes good sense. Small motors run more efficiently when warmed
up too but they draw less amperage so you have more options :-) You don't
want a motor with 218 LRA to start every couple of minutes, it won't have
time to cool off between starts and eventually will over heat due to this
amp draw. My 2.5 hp lift motor has a warning on it that if you jog it more
often than x seconds the warranty is void since this will do the same thing,
it's all a matter of degree :-)

If you are familiar with a water logged water pump you know what I'm talking
about here. The air in the tank is there to prevent the pump from running
every time someone turns on a tap. A water logged pump motor will burn up
pretty quickly due to over heating due to the LRA syndrome.

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> To Jeff: 20 gallon comp. is barely big enough! Won't run air sanders,
> or some ipacts w/out running all the time and slowing you down
> waiting for it to catch-up. I would get an upright 60-80 gallon
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:36:56 -0600
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Radiator in a 400

>>Just read that radiator capacity for the 351M is 20 quarts while the 400
takes 22 quarts. Uh oh. Had planned on recondition of old radiator (mated
to a 351) to use with the motor upgrade to the 400.

How much difference could two quarts make? Half a gallon? Over four pounds
of coolant...? Start pounding graveyards?

Jeff,

I wouldn't sweat it if everything is clean and working well. If you do wind
up replacing it, look for the most cores you can find. I went from a 3 core
to a 4 core on my 351M. I don't know how many quarts it holds anymore, I
just fill it up when I change the antifreeze.

- -- John
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:48:27 -0500
From: frenz.6 osu.edu (Dale Frenz)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rebuilt C6/transfer case Available

In case anybody is interested, I know a guy who has a rebuilt C6 (460, 400,
351M) and transfer case for sale. To the best of my knowledge, it's out of
a '79 half ton. He's located close to Charleston WV and wants like $150 for
everything. So if ya' can use it, email me and I'll give you his phone
number.

- -Dale


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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:11:45 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - cummins turbo in a ford

wouldn't a turbo disel in an older ford truck be neat, a friend of mine has
one in his dodge, he gets 25 miles to the gallon, and alot of power. those
engines look fairly simple, does anyone know if such a swap has been made?
the powerstroke would be nice, but they look to be very complicated and
weight would be a factor also.

jeff grant
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 09:41:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Ballinger
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 351C Swap

>I am the proud owner of a ' 69-100 longbed fleetside
currently
powered by a
>360 FE 3 spd.on the column stock suspension.However
not long ago I
purchased
>a' 71Torino GT therin lay a 351cleveland 4v.I have
been seeking an
engine
to
>repower with for over a year never finding a likely
FE candidate.Now
that I
>am in posession of the mentioned cleveland motor I
am interested in
using
it
>to repower my pick up especially after I saw the
heads.The difficulty
in
all
>of this is the cleveland was never offered as a
power option in a
ford
truck
>and I have pretty strong desire to make the swap
with the C-6 that
came
with
>it .HOW DO YOU DO IT the swap I mean ,what motor
mounts are used does
the
>motor (cleveland&C-6)


I like Clevelands, but you might be a little
dissappointed in the low end power you get with this
swap. A 360 is actually better for a truck than a 4
bbl Cleveland, unless you gear it pretty low and trim
those fat thighs. A 2bbl Cleveland would be better
with one of the 4V manifolds they make these days for
these heads. The 4V heads are real sluggish under
3500 roms, but will really ring your bell above that.
You need to look at how you plan to use it, if you're
going Pro-Street and gutting it and running 4.56
gears, a 351C 4V might be the ticket.

In my opinion(you guys knew I'd get around to it) a
390 properly put together will give you both low end
and strong mid and upper power, and pretty good
economy. From 1500-5500 in a heavy vehicle it'd be
hard to beat a 390 for the combination of power and
economy, and I like it better in a truck. (Dennis is
loading his flamethrower) If it's just power you want
go with 514 ci 385 series. The 351C 2V would be OK,
but a 390 will still take it. Heck, they will take a
lot of 460's on. (flame retatdant array fully
activated) And a 351c 4V can be down right doggy
unless you gear it right. Then it's wonderful,
there's nothing in the it's displacement class that
will hit you harder at 4000 than one of these!

I don't know, but the swap would probably include what
ever it takes to put an M-block in one. You might
look in that direction.

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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:25:16 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Blower motor ?

As I remember the door just pops off the shaft it is mounted to. Just
gently pull it forward.
If you're not comfortable with this you might try looking with a mirror and
flashlight and see if you can see the clips. I'm pretty sure it just snaps
off and on.


Tom H

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From: Matthew Schwartz [mailto:mschwartz fast.net]
Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 8:17 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Blower motor ?


I did use the posted instructions on the FTE site .I am interested where
the "clips" are that hold the trap door in place nearest the blower motor.
Do I have to reach into the small blower compartment a feel around ie.
hidden from view?

Thanks

Matt


>Yes, I have done it. Mine is a 76 and the procedure that I posted on the
>FTE site is from the factory manual. Use it to get to the blower motor.
If
>you have any other questions go ahead and ask. When I did it I did get the
>motor out through the cab like the AC evaporator and heater core
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:26:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Brake Problems

James asks:
> Okay guys,
> I have got a problem i haven't had time to investigate yet!! I drove my
> truck around the yard the other day and it drained the front resevoir on the
> brake Master Cylinder!! I filled it and drove for about 5 min and it did it
> again!! I did a quick look and couldn't find any fluid leaking but i am not
> for sure!! Any ideas where to start. It is a 1979 F150 400 V8 and 4x4!
> Also this truck has only been driven three times since it sat for 8 years!!
>

If you can't find a leak, the fluid is filling the power brake
booster . .
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:27:31 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - First firing.....the whole story

From: Stu Varner
> Today, finish bleeding the breaks and then for a trip
> around the block. 8^)

Bravo Stu! Now to keep it from rusting I'll let you park it at my house
out here in California just because your my buddy, my pal, brother,
friend, amigo! ;)

> Basically, I would have never attempted to rebuild the engine or even
> restore the truck if it wasn't for this list and it's members.

I'll drink to that!

>Thanks Ken, for providing all you do to each of us!!

I'll drink to that too!

>Thanks guys for all the knowledge
> you have shared since April of 1996 when I joined the list.

oK (hic) i'lL dr(hic)drink to tha(hic)at.

> And yes fellas (gender specific), I did enjoy a big fat dog rocket
(cigar)
> last night in honor of the first cranking!

yOu knowIlove(hic)loveyaStu (hic) no reallyman(hic) Yourlike
mybloodbr(hic)bro


Later!

Deacon

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To:
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 1999 7:21 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - First firing.....the whole story


> Preface:
>
> Allow me to give a little background info on the engine/truck in
question.
> The truck, a Mojave tan 1971 F-100 4x4 swb with original paint etc,
was
> originally bought in March of 1996 from the 2nd owner.
> I drove the the truck until January 1998 when I started the frame/body
off
> restoration.
>
> during the resto: January 1998 to November 1999
>
> Over 1,000 hours have been put into the truck in the last 22 months.
> Tony Marino has helped with alot (96.4%) of the front end work and
acted as
> "teacher" to me for the front hub/axle assemblies
> since I had never tackled them before. Several people have helped by
> selling, trading and locating parts etc.
>
> Had the body painted piece by piece in march 1999.
>
> Jim Elliott suggested his favorite engine builder, Danny Carroll in
> Springfield, TN.
> Danny expressly enjoys rebuilding antique, racing and obsolete engines
and
> really favors Fords and Rolls Royce engines
> so he was an excellent choice - IMVHO.........had many phone
conversations
> with him before I decided it would be "ok" to let him do the
engine/machine
> work which included completely reworking the heads using all new
materials,
> bored the block 0.030, new pistons, polished the crank blah blah
blah.
> Built an absolutely stunning short block and heads! He really is Da'
Man!!
>
> Short block sits in my shop from March 15th until July ?? when I
finally
> got time to build it.....enter the neighbor,
> FE building guru John Hames.....slapped the engine together (under his
> guidance) one evening and within 3 days went from bare frame to
> engine/tranny, cab and bed, front clip.....late July, "The Kid" Marino
> comes down from Ohio to do front axles......Football season starts in
late
> July and the truck sits in moth balls.
>
> Fast-forward 3 1/2 months to November, 1999
>
> Yesterday:
>
> Primed the oil pump and engine after adding 5 quarts of non detergent
oil
> (NO lectures on what oil to use during break in!!)
> dropped the new distributer in......it would crank for a split second
and
> occasionally the starter would hang open.....replaced the brand new
> autolite repop starter solenoid with the 28 year old one......fired
right
> up on the first crank and
> other than the fact I felt like I was a proud poppa again, it all went
very
> well. There is nothing like the sound of a big block FE!! Even
though I
> love my 4.6 Romeo mod motor in my Crown Vic, today's motors simply
don't
> have the same old feel
> as a 335 (how's that Daver?), FE or 385.
>
> The engine was sooooo smooth and revved sooooo good. It was truly an
> amazing thing to see my old FE run so good again......we let it go
> yesterday for over an hour after cam break in. EVERYTHING went just
as
> planned!
>
>
>
> Stu
> Nuke GM!
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu (the site is up for a few more
days.....new URL
> coming soon)
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:44:50 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Who be I am

I'm Jim Strigas (pronounced stree-gus (it's a Greek thing I guess)
(don't even go there Stu!)) but I'm known as Deacon Blues (or just
Deacon) I'm 44, been married 18 years. Her name is Teddi and we have 2
kids, Shana who's 15 & Nick 12. We live in Ontario California which is
located midway between San Bernardino and Los Angles. I've been on the
list for a long time but I haven't had time to post much over the past
year because we had a house fire and we lived in a motel for 10 months.
We've been back in our house for 2 months now and things are starting to
get in order so I'm hoping to get some time to annoy you guys again! ;)

Thanks for starting this Lisa. It's been cool getting to know other
members and I've enjoyed your post. Keep up the good work.

Oh ya. Silly girl trucks are for anyone! :)

Later!

Deacon

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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:47:10 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Brake Problems

It is probably leaking past the MC piston into the vacuum booster for the
brakes. (Power brakes right?). Stop the truck and hold pressure on the
pedal. Does it slowly go down? This happened to me. In two cases it was
not long before the vehicle became unsafe to drive. Replace the master
cylinder and when you do remove the Vacuum booster and drain the brake fluid
out of it.

Tom H.

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From: James Stepke [mailto:jstepke hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 10:56 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Brake Problems


Okay guys,
I have got a problem i haven't had time to investigate yet!! I drove my
truck around the yard the other day and it drained the front resevoir on the

brake Master Cylinder!! I filled it and drove for about 5 min and it did it

again!! I did a quick look and couldn't find any fluid leaking but i am not

for sure!! Any ideas where to start. It is a 1979 F150 400 V8 and 4x4!
Also this truck has only been driven three times since it sat for 8 years!!

Thanks in advance
James

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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:54:51 -0500
From: Marvin Meyer
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - cummins turbo in a ford

You know them Volkswagen Vans, we had one in at work on Saturday, delivery
cargo van. The guy said it gets 42 MPG, 2600lbs of bearings inside destined
for Michigan. Funny looking thing, it guess it has front wheel drive, he
changed the front tires to a very large Diameter this thing looks like a
hotrod going backwards at 80mph. The diesel is an Industrial 4 cyl turbo
that is no longer made in Canada anymore due to pollution standards.
meyer strat.net


wouldn't a turbo disel in an older ford truck be neat, a friend of mine has
one in his dodge, he gets 25 miles to the gallon, and alot of power. those
engines look fairly simple, does anyone know if such a swap has been made?
the powerstroke would be nice, but they look to be very complicated and
weight would be a factor also.


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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:58:48 EST
From: SevnD2 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Brake Problems

In a message dated 11/29/1999 1:50:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com writes:


brakes. (Power brakes right?).

I had this problem with a my truck . It doesn't have have power brakes , so
the brake fluid leaked through to the inside of the firewall and down to the
floorboard !
Rollie .
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:09:39 -0800
From: "Jeff Norville"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - cummins turbo in a ford

> wouldn't a turbo disel in an older ford truck be neat

A friend converted his 75 Blazer to diesel - required new brake m/c I think,
and makes smog checks interesting here (in spite of the fact he does his
own).

Seems like a good idea if you have the resources - time, money, lots of
spare parts - he's got good power and incredible mileage. And it's not even
a turbo.

Jeff, who hates spark plugs too but glow plugs make him nervous
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:04:34 EST
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Who be I am

In a message dated 11/29/1999 6:47:21 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
deconblu ford-trucks.com writes:


located midway between San Bernardino and Los Angles >>

REALLY? WOW! I live in Diamond Bar, just over the hill. You've probably seen
me cruisin in Ontario before LOL


members and I've enjoyed your post. Keep up the good work.

Oh ya. Silly girl trucks are for anyone! :)>>

HAHA! =) I guess yer right!

*~*~Lisa~*~*
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:28:17 -0700
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 Bronco Rebuild - Two Birds

>From: "Jeff Norville"
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - '79 Bronco Rebuild - Two Birds
>
>First - have found a rebuilt 351 M-block to swap into
>my 166,000+ mileage Bronco, keeping it all stock -
>but now, at the moment of truth, I have been
>tempted to put in a 400 as it would be such an
>easy upgrade.

Yo Jeff:

Sorry to be so late responding to this, but w/ holidaze, etc....

As for the 351M-->400 swap, yes, it is an easy upgrade, and in most
jurisdictions (including CA!), smog-legal to boot. (Every year in which the
351M was available from the factory, the 400 was also available in the same
vehicles.) As for keeping stock appearances, there is no external difference
between a 351M and a 400, and as (I think) Steve L. suggested, you could keep
the 351M valve covers w/ the 351M e-sticker and no-one would be the wiser.

>... Neither M-block seems
>to have a huge following, with all exceptions
>subscribing to this list

Yes, and that is one of the things that makes this list great!

>My question - IS it an upgrade?
> would this give me more power?

Upgrade power, yes again! One of the biggest improvements you can make in an
M-block is increasing the compression ratio, and the 400 allows several options
for doing that. Your only practical option to increase compression in a 351M is
the expensive TRW forged pistons (8.6:1), and even those don't get near the
9.0:1+ possibilities you have with the 400. There are several nice
Cleveland/M-block cams out there to make that compression useful.

>Or do I care, since I mostly drive long distances
>to the desert and go really, really slow over rocks?

You could easily build a 400 that wheezes out a mere 350 lb-ft torque from 2000
rpm to well over 4000 rpm. That's power you can use in 4-low crawling over
anything your tires can hang on to.

>Just stick to adding TRW pistons to the 351M?

As mentioned earlier, I don't think that's worthwhile. Those same dollars spent
on a 400 would go a lot farther toward significant power improvements.

>know any hidden bugaboos to 400 conversion
>that would haunt this shade tree kid? Especially
>in California?

Since the 351M and 400 use exactly the same block, heads, intake manifolds, and
exhaust manifolds/headers, it is literally a drop-in proposition. Your biggest
potential problem would be meeting tailpipe emissions standards if you go too
far w/ a cam. Otherwise, you'll be limited to CARB-approved components
(particularly the carburetor), but a 351M build-up has the same limitations.
Given the advantages of the 400 (more cubes, higher compression) and the same
constraints, you'll get significantly more usable power w/ a 400.

Dave R (M-block devotee)


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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:34:28 EST
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE Electric Fuel Pump?

Who has put in an electric fuel pump for their FE?

Do these units usually have the "safety cutoff switch" (in case of wreck)
built in, or is that usually something extra?

Any input would be great!

Thanks,

CJ
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:49:57 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Electric Fuel Pump?

Thanks for your message at 05:34 PM 11/29/99 EST, BDIJXS aol.com. Your
message was:
>Who has put in an electric fuel pump for their FE?
>
>Do these units usually have the "safety cutoff switch" (in case of wreck)
>built in, or is that usually something extra?
>
>Any input would be great!

I had one years ago in a '68 F100 with a 360, and I've had them in several
vehicles over the years, Ford Trucks and not...
Everyone I've ever used had a self-limiting cut-off to keep it from pumping
too much gas into the carb. I always assumed it worked on back pressure
from a full gas line. I don't remember any of them having a switch that
would shut the pump off in case of too much gas being pumped...but I never
had an accident in a vehicle with an electric pump (luckily)...I guess it
could be scary...


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:55:50 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Electric Fuel Pump?

BDIJXS aol.com wrote:
>
> Who has put in an electric fuel pump for their FE?
>
> Do these units usually have the "safety cutoff switch" (in case of wreck)
> built in, or is that usually something extra?
>
> Any input would be great!
>
> Thanks,
>
> CJ


I believe Steve D. put one in his truck. Steve you still out there?
I'm not sure if he has a write up on it or not. The usual fair is to
put an oil pressure switch in but the use of one of those speed gravity
things( what's the word I'm looking for) might also be a good idea. The
pump itself is usually wired to run with 12v and that is it.
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
99 Contour
63 F-100 4x4
43 GPW
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:17:17 -0500
From: tfreeman murphyfarms.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Electric Fuel Pump?

I've been comtemplating this. I was going to use a holley. I don't think it
has the shut off valve though. I haven't done a lot of research in it yet, but
one of my problems is....how do you block off the fuel pump hole in the timing
cover? Does Summit or Jegs sell one? I know they do for for the ch*vy crowd.

- -Ted




Don Grossman on 11/29/99 05:55:50 PM

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BDIJXS aol.com wrote:
>
> Who has put in an electric fuel pump for their FE?
>
> Do these units usually have the "safety cutoff switch" (in case of wreck)
> built in, or is that usually something extra?
>
> Any input would be great!
>
> Thanks,
>
> CJ


I believe Steve D. put one in his truck. Steve you still out there?
I'm not sure if he has a write up on it or not. The usual fair is to
put an oil pressure switch in but the use of one of those speed gravity
things( what's the word I'm looking for) might also be a good idea. The
pump itself is usually wired to run with 12v and that is it.
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
99 Contour
63 F-100 4x4
43 GPW
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:44:24 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Electric Fuel Pump?

Thanks for your message at 06:17 PM 11/29/99 -0500,
tfreeman murphyfarms.com. Your message was:
>I've been comtemplating this. I was going to use a holley. I don't think it
>has the shut off valve though. I haven't done a lot of research in it
yet, but
>one of my problems is....how do you block off the fuel pump hole in the
timing
>cover?
I'm trying to remember the actual position and mechanics of the mechanical
pump. It seems, for lack of a plate or cover, I simply somehow removed or
shortened the pump arm so that it no longer made any contace and then just
used the mechanical pump itself as a cover...Does any of this seem
feasible, or am I remembering some other vehicle I did this to. It'll be
dark and late when I get home, so I won't remember to look at my 352...


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:33:14 -0800
From: "S.Harkema"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Compressor

>My Father has a 25 gal craftsman (made by devilbiss)oil-less >compressor and has had a quite a bit of trouble with it considering >the amount of use it gets.

I have a 4 h.p. Craftsman oilless compressor.It is noisy,air line hard
lines vibrate lose,runs very hot.It has alot of hours on it but I would
not buy another.

>20 gallon comp. is barely big enough! Won't run air sanders,
>or some ipacts w/out running all the time and slowing you down
>waiting for it to catch-up. I would get an upright 60-80 gallon
>tank w/5or6 hp motor minimum. NO oiless, they are short lived,
>and very noisy! Twin cylinder belt-drive with Cast-Iron cylinders
>is best if you use alot. Campbell Hosfeld(?) is the best as long
>as you DON'T get oilless direct drive type

Sounds like my next compressor
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:54:53 -0600
From: Brett L Habben
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Water heated 4v carb spacer

Folks,
Is there such thing as a water heated 4v carb spacer as discussed last
month pertaining to fuel economy? I dug through a pile of manifolds at
the junk yard and found a couple of Ford water heated 2v carb spacers,
but no 4v versions.
Has anybody ever seen one? What applications?
Thanks,
Brett
Super75cab
300 w/Offie intake, 87 split exhaust manifolds, and consequently no heat.

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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:10:44 -0600
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Water heated 4v carb spacer

Brett, I have one of those aluminum heated carb spacers sitting on a
shelf. I think mine came from a '66 Galaxie with a 352 and an Autolite
4100 4bbl carb.

Jason Kendrick

Brett L Habben wrote:
>
> Folks,
> Is there such thing as a water heated 4v carb spacer

> Has anybody ever seen one? What applications?
> Thanks,
> Brett
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:29:16 -0800 (PST)
From: canzus seanet.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Electric Fuel Pump?

At 06:17 PM 29:11:99 -0500, tfreeman murphyfarms.com wrote:
>I've been comtemplating this. I was going to use a holley. I don't think it
>has the shut off valve though. I haven't done a lot of research in it yet, but
>one of my problems is....how do you block off the fuel pump hole in the timing
>cover? Does Summit or Jegs sell one? I know they do for for the ch*vy crowd.
>
>-Ted


I made my own, I used the gasket as a pattern, used 1/8" aluminum plate,
cut and sanded to the correct shape, and drilled the two holes 13/32's.....

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine....

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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:29:15 -0800 (PST)
From: canzus seanet.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - cummins turbo in a ford

At 01:54 PM 29:11:99 -0500, Marvin Meyer wrote:
>You know them Volkswagen Vans, we had one in at work on Saturday, delivery
>cargo van. The guy said it gets 42 MPG, 2600lbs of bearings inside destined
>for Michigan.
snip
>wouldn't a turbo disel in an older ford truck be neat, a friend of mine has
>one in his dodge, he gets 25 miles to the gallon, and alot of power.

My former employer had a 68 F250 with a Turbo Dagenham Diesel in it,
the engine came out of a C700, got 19mpg loaded, unloaded, uphill, downhill
or whatever. And sounded better than the Cummins too....

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine....

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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:49:56 EST
From: WEDIVE247 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Pigeon Forge 2000

May 18, & 19, 2000 . Not sure who to contact .
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:20:25 -0500
From: "Phil / Debi"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Electric Fuel Pump?

> one of my problems is....how do you block off the fuel pump hole in the
timing
> cover? Does Summit or Jegs sell one? I know they do for for the ch*vy
crowd.
>
My 66 has a 390 with electric fuel pump. It has the block off plate for the
fuel pump, so some company does make them, can't recall who at the moment.
I am using the oil pressure switch with mine for safety.

Phil Beattie
66 F100
70 F100
79 F250 4x4
91 F150 4x4
www.geocities.com/imstobu

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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:27:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Jayson Spangler
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 302

Mustangs came with carbed (600 cmf) 302's until 1986
then they went to fuel injection. I think they had 4
speeds in 79 and 80 but the rest are T5 5speeds. It
would be alot of work dropping a 5 spd mustang tranny
in an older ford truck. The linkage in the older
trucks is mechanical while in the Mustangs the linkage
is cable driven. I would also wonder about the
position of the shifter. Later ford p/ups came with 5
speeds but they do not have mechanical clutches
either.

Good luck.
Jayson

- --- Jimbo wrote:
> I am in search of a 302 and a five speed for my
> truck. I want a carburated
> one from from a Mustang. Up to what year were they
> carburated, and did that
> combination ever include a five speed or just four
> speeds?
>
> Jimbo
>
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:36:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Jayson Spangler
Subject: FTE 61-79 - cab on, no brakes

Well, I replaced the cab on my truck. First and last
time I ever do that. I forget who answered my
questions about that, whoever it was, thanks.
Problem now is that my brakes dont work. I reused all
my old components which used to work fine. Now when I
press on the brakes, they'll stop the truck just fine,
however the pedal wont come back up unless I pull it
up.

Anyone have any Ideas?

Jayson
78 Ford F100 s/bed
96 Taurus Wagon grocery getter

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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:39:21 -0500
From: tfreeman murphyfarms.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Electric Fuel Pump?

I've comtemplated the "armless" :-) fuel pump and making a plate if I can't find
one. I would like to just buy one, guess I'm getting lazy in my old age.

Phil, if you find out where yours came from, let me know.

Thanks,

- -Ted




"Phil / Debi" on 11/29/99 11:20:25 PM

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Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Electric Fuel Pump?





> one of my problems is....how do you block off the fuel pump hole in the
timing
> cover? Does Summit or Jegs sell one? I know they do for for the ch*vy
crowd.
>
My 66 has a 390 with electric fuel pump. It has the block off plate for the
fuel pump, so some company does make them, can't recall who at the moment.
I am using the oil pressure switch with mine for safety.

Phil Beattie
66 F100
70 F100
79 F250 4x4
91 F150 4x4
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:41:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Jayson Spangler....

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