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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79- Apprenticeship
Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO, SWMBO
FTE 61-79 - Re: Ranchero
FTE 61-79 - more bio
FTE 61-79 - FE heads
FTE 61-79 - Re: Apprenticeship
FTE 61-79 - Happy Turkey Day
FTE 61-79 - GT 500 FE Heads
Re: FTE 61-79 - GT 500 FE Heads
FTE 61-79 - Theoretical FE question
Re: FTE 61-79 - Suggestions
Re: FTE 61-79 - Suggestions
Re: FTE 61-79 - GT 500 FE Heads
FTE 61-79 - (no subject)
FTE 61-79 - Transmission Lube
FTE 61-79 - Need Parts for my 300!!!!!! (66)
Re: FTE 61-79 - Transmission Lube
Re: FTE 61-79 - Transmission Lube
Re: FTE 61-79 - Suggestions

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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 06:25:42 PST
From: "Don Jones"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79- Apprenticeship

>>Being born too late to be around when these 60's and 70's came out, how
>>did you learn the mechanics? Of course if your dad or somebody was into
>>them and you picked it up from him, it's easy to see. But are there any
>>who learned it a different way? How did you do it?

I took a few Automotive courses in high school. great for learning theory,
safety, and shop practices In my Senior years it included 2 weeks placement
in local repair shops. I spent one week in a body shop and another in a
local G* dealership. The best practical mechanical experience I got was by
owning a 1964 Ch*vy truck with 80,000 miles on it. In the 6 months that it
was my primary transportation, I rebuilt the brakes, transmission, changed
the clutch, rewired it from scratch, radiator, waterpump, head gasket, rear
main seal, steering box, paint job carb... cant remember what all else i
did to it, but it looks like its going to be quite a while before i get to
do all that stuff on a ford..

Don Jones
1970 F-250 4x4 ~Fordzilla~



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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 06:32:25 PST
From: "Don Jones"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO, SWMBO

>

>>OOOOOOOOHHHH!!!! Now I dig that! *Evil grin* But my B/F doesn't! HeHe!

I was in an internet parenting group where the women referred to thier
husbands as "DH" .... dear husband, darling husband, darn husband, but
usually DAM* HUSBAND
Still, it is a term of endearment, just like SWMBO

Don Jones
1970 f-250 4x4 ~Fordzilla~

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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 07:51:24 -0800
From: "Scott Jensen"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Ranchero

I was into Rancheros for a bit. 72 is a good year, because of the GT hood.
There was a guy here in town that DID put a Lincoln front end on his 74. He
said it was pretty much bolt on.

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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:36:42 EST
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - more bio

I've found this thread to be extremely interesting...so here's my little
contribution: My name is Jeff Schulz (a.k.a. "Colorado Jeff" or "CJ") and I
live in Boulder. I'm almost 39, and somehow managed never to get married (but
came close!). My roommate is dog named "Jackson", but likes to be called
"Brown Dog". By the way, he has the fastest house on the block, as attested
to by the gold Cyclone headers mounted on the side of his dog house.

I'm originally a Santa Cruz Mountain boy, and just recently got title of the
1967 F-100 that my dad bought new back then. This truck is an old friend, and
has now been "part" of the family for 32 years. I bought my 1969 F-100 4x4
while I was a junior in high school in 1978, and it has since morphed into an
F-100/-F-150/F-250, with all-updated running gear and drivetrain. I've put in
at least four new engines over the years, and I believe it has at least one
part from every year truck between 1967 and 1980. It has been through many
years of punishment at places like Pismo Beach where the 390 with uncapped
headers would zing us around the backside of those sand dunes wide open in
3rd gear, with us laughing all the way. I finally accidently "jumped" it
there, and had to replace the front axle, which started the "morphing"
process. It certainly earned its keep during those years with all those Santa
Cruz mountain fire trails causing things like smashed transfer cases, snapped
front axle shafts, and my favorite, the 390 running on five cylinders while
halfway under water, with the whole truck in a cloud of steam and water
running into the cab...she pulled us out, though! About the only original
parts left now are the frame, steering column, chrome grill, and rear
shackles. The thrashing days are over now for this rig, and it now only gets
a few thousand miles put on it in a year.

Now that the 69' is almost "done" (we know how that is), I'll be starting a
frame-off on a 76' highboy that will get the full treatment, including a
fuel-injected 428 (if I can find someone who knows how to do this). Also
contemplating turning one of these spare FE's into a 410 for the '67, but
this would not be Stock Man or Stubaby - Approved since that truck still is
totally stock (complete with oil bath air filter and the California
Thermactor system). Have to wait for permission on that one.

Anyway, I moved from Santa Cruz over here to Boulder in 1984, and went to
engineering school. Once I finished undergrad, I somehow ended up in grad
school (structures), and became involved with two research projects on
testing highway bridges. Upon finishing school in 1989, the professor I was
working for asked myself and another student if would be interested in making
this a business, and we said yes, and have been doing this ever since. What
we do is mount sensors on a bridge and measure the stress as a truck crosses.
You know those signs you see that say something like "Bridge Weight Limit =
30 tons"?, well, that's what we do. The best part about this work is all the
travel (this year, I hope to get to the three states I haven't been to yet! -
R.I., ME, and N.C.). I have been fortunate to personally meet many people on
this list everywhere between Georgia and Washington State, and I'm looking
forward to meeting many more!

What am I going to do with all the trucks? Well, I can't let go of the 67,
its just been in the family too long, the 69, same story, and I guess, I'll
just have to find the right woman who wants a "new" 76 highboy for her own!

I really hope that if anyone of you are in the Denver area, you will contact
me. The hospitality shown by the people I've been able to visit so far has
been wonderful, and I would like to reciprocate!

Thanks for your time!

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 09:32:13 -0800
From: "S.Harkema"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE heads

>Does anyone out there know where I can get headers for
>a 390GT? I don't know if they changed exhaust port
>designs for the different years of the FE's. I checked
>around and I found one place(auto krafters):

>header for 16 bolt cylinder head only, KY6808, $447.95

Do you have 16 hole heads?
If so truck headers will work fine.I have 16 hole 428 heads on my truck
now.It has had both stock manifolds and truck headers on it no problem.
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:45:24 -0500
From: "Don Haring, Jr."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Apprenticeship

Kiernan, Denny said:
> Being born too late to be around when these 60's and 70's came out, how
> did you learn the mechanics? Of course if your dad or somebody was into
> them and you picked it up from him, it's easy to see. But are there any
> who learned it a different way? How did you do it?


My dad is an airline mechanic (38 years) and has always taken fantastic
care of our vehicles. I learned to drive on his '77 F-100, a truck I wish
we still had. Unfortunately, I wasn't interested in learning much about
mechanics from him as a teenager, and I regret it now. He tried to teach
me, but I was intimidated since he is a professional mechanic and seemed to
know everything forwards and backwards. He liked to tinker with cars when
he was younger, but he's retiring next year and says that he'd much rather
golf or do some woodworking, instead of laying under a greasy car. :)

It wasn't until about 5 years ago, at the age of 21, that I decided that I
wanted to learn as much as I could about auto mechanics. I've always loved
classic cars and have wanted to own one. I've always messed around with
bicycles, then cut my teeth on classic Italian motorscooters. Then I bought
my '61 Falcon -- mainly to learn auto mechanics. Most people will agree
that the early 60s cars and trucks are good for learning since it's before
the age of electronics, and if you have a smaller engine, everything is in
plain site and easily understandible.

I bought a factory shop manual, a Haynes Mustang manual (because it had
pictures to show the procedures), and then talked to everyone who would
offer advice and help. I got involved in the local Falcon club and asked a
lot of questions online. I don't think I would have been so sucessful if it
wasn't for the Internet. Once I learned a reasonable amount, I sold my 1986
Sable and bought my 1966 Falcon Club Wagon, which is my daily workhorse. I
actually put as many miles on my bicycles as I do my van, but it's the main
*combustion* vehicle in my stable. :)

I can say that I started right a step one and progressed from there. I
consider myself a mechanical person even though I had not tried auto
mechanics until a few years ago, but if I can do it, you can do it. Just
ask a lot of questions, take your time, and make sure you're smart and safe
about the work you do. I forget when I signed on to FTE, but I consider it
a valuable part of keeping my truck on the road.

- -don

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Internet Director, Keystone Chapter FCA | 66 Falcon Deluxe Club Wagon
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 10:49:02 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Happy Turkey Day

To all of the ladies and gentlemen on the FTE lists, have a happy & safe
Thanksgiving and remember that it's OK to get a little grease under your
fingernails today as long as you clean it up before you carve the bird.

Be well,

Bill Beyer

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"



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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 14:02:31 EST
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - GT 500 FE Heads

I have a set of C7AE-A FE heads, and I'm told they are for a 67 Shelby GT
500. My question is, are there any real significant differences between these
and say, a set of regular 360/390 FE heads? At least the intake ports look to
be the same size. I can't tell about the exhaust ports since the manifolds
are still on the 360 heads.

Any guesses on what they would be worth?

Any input would be helpful!

Thanks,

CJ

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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:06:27 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - GT 500 FE Heads

I thought GT500s only came with 428s or is that for the 68 model year.
Pardon my ignorance, I'm FE challenged...

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - GT 500 FE Heads


> I have a set of C7AE-A FE heads, and I'm told they are for a 67 Shelby GT
> 500. My question is, are there any real significant differences between
these
> and say, a set of regular 360/390 FE heads? At least the intake ports look
to
> be the same size. I can't tell about the exhaust ports since the manifolds
> are still on the 360 heads.



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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:23:18 -0600
From: Brett L Habben
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Theoretical FE question

Folks,
Not intending to start a holy war, but I've long pondered this question.
Over the years some have tossed their FE's in favor of a 351
W/C/M(whatever) with all the work involved with swapping engine families.
Well, doesn't the FE352 also have (roughly) a 4" bore and 3.5" stroke?
In this day and age, with the wide range of FE parts available, couldn't
an FE352 be built every bit as good as one of those other 4" x 3.5"
motors? I realize that once the FE pandora's box is opened and out pop
427 blocks and 428 cranks one is quickly tempted to build a much larger
motor. But for a daily driver where fuel economy comes in to play, maybe
we're overlooking something here.
I realize that in this short of a message this is an oversimplification
of engine families. But think of the range of intakes, cams, heads,
valves, exhausts, etc. that really are out there. Or is there some
insurmountable problem with the FE352?
Jus'Wonder'in'...
Brett
Super75Cab
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:47:03 PST
From: "White Wolf"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Suggestions

Just a little better when the engine warms up, but pretty darn good when it
above 70F outside. I bought some lead additive today in hope that it would
help(not sure why, just saw it and bought it).




>Does it run bad all the time (it is cold outside) or does it get better as
>the engine warms up? My first thought is choke, perhaps a lower temp
>Tstat?
>
>
>
>At 06:37 PM 11/24/99 PST, you wrote:
> >Ok.. when I rebuilt my 352 back in April-May my '66 F100 ran great.. now
> >that its cold out however its not doing so good?
> > Any Ideas?
> >I've long suspected that my ol' 2-barrel carb is a piece of trash so I
> >thinks its time to upgrade. And since Im going to work on it anyways,
>might
> >as well go to a 4-barrel right?
> > Has anyone done this to their 352 and if so could you give me some
> >suggestions on which manifold/carbeurator to go with and maybe even where
> >you purchased yours?
> >

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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:49:58 -0700
From: William A Whited
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Suggestions

Sounds like the choke is sticking to me.

White Wolf wrote:

> Just a little better when the engine warms up, but pretty darn good when it
> above 70F outside. I bought some lead additive today in hope that it would
> help(not sure why, just saw it and bought it).

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74 F100 RANGER SUPERCAB 390
77 F150 CUSTOM 460
EL Paso, TX
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 17:17:07 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - GT 500 FE Heads

> I have a set of C7AE-A FE heads, and I'm told they are for a 67 Shelby GT
> 500. My question is, are there any real significant differences between
these
> and say, a set of regular 360/390 FE heads? At least the intake ports look
to
> be the same size. I can't tell about the exhaust ports since the manifolds
> are still on the 360 heads.
>
> Any guesses on what they would be worth?
>
> Any input would be helpful!
>
> Thanks,
>
> CJ
..........

Steve Crist's book say's they came from a 67 352, 390, 410 428 w/o air
and the combustion chamber volume is 71.2-74.2
What type of bolt pattern is on the exhaust side? Is it the standard
vertical 2 bolt pattern (total of 8 bolts) or something else?

Danger
danger csolutions.net



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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 20:31:30 EST
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - (no subject)

Hello everybody

Its been quite awhile since Ive writtin, so I figured Id let yall know me and
Tweety are still around. (With my reputation, Im sure a few of you figured
me for a rollover) I assure you I am alive and well, as is Tweety. Im up to
almost 500 miles on a shattered piston. With any luck the ol girl will
continue running till my new motor is up and running. Should have the new
motor come the end of December. And I tell ya, I got a helluva deal. I was
down visiting my machinist, tellin him I was gonna be bringing down a 460 to
have him build, well he told me he already had a shortblock built. Said hed
take 1000 for it. I asked for more details, and I was impressed, but not
cinched yet. The specs on the shortblock are as follows: .030 block,
balanced with hypertectic pistons, any cam of my choosing (which is the comp
268h with lifters) and a dyna gear HV oil pump. I didnt think that was too
bad, so I asked him if he had any interceptor heads. He said he wasnt sure,
but pointed me at his collection of 429/460 heads and let me have a look.
Well it wasnt 5 min and I found a pair, magnafluxed and ready to build, so I
said "How much?"
His reply blew me away, "$400 and I will build em to match the cam" I
immediately said Id take it, and went to the bank to pull out a deposit. I
laid $500 on it right away, and am payin the rest (1400, plus tax) on a
layaway basis. Should have it paid off shortly. I tell ya I cant wait.
Tweety is gonna be one of the fastest one ton trucks around. Ive already got
the carb, a holley 750 DP. I'll be installing an offroad kit and the
metering plate setup for easier tuning. All in all, it should run great, And
I'll be sure and let yall know.
Have a good one, I'll see ya out there

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 18:11:16 -0700
From: "Kiernan, Denny"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Transmission Lube

Any opinions on this one? The owner's manual for my '72 F-100 360 2WD
4-speed manual, with140K on it, recommends engine oil SAE 50 for the
transmisson. The Chilton book recommends SAE 80 or 90. (I'm in the San
Francisco Bay area, where the temp almost never goes below 25 or above
105.) I would just ask a mechanic here, but I still haven't found one
that seems to know what he's doing.

Denny
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 18:18:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Will Vanderstien
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Need Parts for my 300!!!!!! (66)

Arggggggg! I need a pair of headers, Weiand intake,
650 cfm carburetor, anything to give my '66 ford p/u
with a 300 a little more pep. Any info will be
greatly appreciated! Gracias (thanx)
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 21:24:45 EST
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Transmission Lube

In a message dated 11/25/99 9:11:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dennyk wenet.net writes:

> The owner's manual for my '72 F-100 360 2WD
> 4-speed manual, with140K on it, recommends engine oil SAE 50 for the
> transmisson.

The owner's manual has the correct information. 50wt engine oil is what
your tranny should have.

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (HELP!---I need 15 x5 factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flare Side
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 19:09:12 PST
From: "Don Jones"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Transmission Lube

SAE 50 motor oil for temps above 25F. SAE 30 motor oil for cold weather if
difficulty shifting is encountered, according to the decal in the glove box
on my parts truck ('70 f-250 4x4 NP435 trans)

Don Jones
1970 f-250 4x4 ~Fordzilla~

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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 20:55:32 PST
From: "White Wolf"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Suggestions

Manual choke and I have checked for it though thanks....


>From: William A Whited
>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Suggestions
>Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:49:58 -0700
>
>Sounds like the choke is sticking to me.....


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