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61-79-list-digest Wednesday, November 24 1999 Volume 03 : Number 433



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - bio
RE: FTE 61-79 - Clutch not quite right
FTE 61-79 - 390 in '79
Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO
Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........
Re: FTE 61-79 - pumpkin location
FTE 61-79 - hardened valve seats
Re: FTE 61-79 - Clutch not quite right
FTE 61-79 - 390-460 Flywheels
FTE 61-79 - Rare 4X4
Re:FTE 61-79 - Clutch not quite right
FTE 61-79 - more bio...
FTE 61-79 - Breakfast or lunch?
FTE 61-79 - Re: front diff
RE: FTE 61-79 - hardened valve seats
FTE 61-79 - 5.0 or 5.2
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: front diff
FTE 61-79 - '79 Bronco Rebuild - Two Birds
Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 Bronco Rebuild - Two Birds
Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 Bronco Rebuild - Two Birds
FTE 61-79 - water pump 351M
Re: FTE 61-79 - water pump 351M
FTE 61-79 - Re: A LIL MO' INFO
Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 or 429, that is the question.
Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........
Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 suspension TTB stuff
Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO
FTE 61-79 - Tailgates
Re: FTE 61-79 - A little bout me
Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........
Re: FTE 61-79 - Shooting out of gear
Re: FTE 61-79 - bio
Re:FTE 61-79 - Clutch not quite right
RE: FTE 61-79 - 65 F100 & lead additive
FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........
FTE 61-79 - (doh) A LIL MO' INFO.........
FTE 61-79 - Pigeon Forge 2000
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rancheros, Falcon?
Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........
Re: FTE 61-79 - hardened valve seats
Re: FTE 61-79 - water pump 351M
Re: FTE 61-79 - Breakfast or lunch?
FTE 61-79 - The Green Dragon story !
FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO

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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:02:50 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - bio

Thanks for your message at 01:37 PM 11/23/99 EST, LovBNBad aol.com. Your
message was:
>HI ALL MY NAME IS JAMES ADDONIZIO AND I AM A FORDAHOLIC.BEEN ON THE LIST FOR
>BOUT 4 MONTHS NOW I'M ALSO THE VOYEUR OF THE LIST.45 YRS OLD IN PROCESS OF A

...gotta get that Caps Lock key fixed...


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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:19:14 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Clutch not quite right

This may be the return spring. It's only function is to keep the throw out
lever/bearing against it's stop, that is, the transmission nose. If there
is no free play in the pedal it could be a simple adjustment but if there is
free play, check the return spring and make sure that when the pedal is
fully home the throw out lever is also.

Since this is a repaired fulcrum the retainer, flat spring on the throw out
arm may not be engaging it correctly so that it remains in contact with the
fulcrum at full rest. You should be able to see that through the throwout
lever window in the bell housing if you pull the boot back.

- --
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> Well, the truck's back on the road after putting in the new clutch and
> fulcrum for the clutch fork. The pedal action is just fine BUT - - -
> there's a light scraping noise, sort of a whirring, that wasn't there
> before. The noise disappears when I depress the pedal.
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:40:15 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 390 in '79

Dan writes: >>I've heard the frame was narrowed on the late '70's F-series and
the 390 may
not set down in and bolt up very easily.

Don't think so. If you really want to put an FE(390) in the '79 get some engine
stanchions from a '73/76 that came with a 360 and it will bolt in. You are
aware that the FE carries a unique bellhousing bolt pattern and is not
compatable with any other Ford engine family Right???


Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:05:00 EST
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO

In a message dated 11/22/1999 9:25:07 PM !!!First Boot!!!, jedolson juno.com
writes:


Technical Institute,in Laramie Wyoming, where I will be taking classes in
Diesel Mechanics and Streetrod Building. MY swmbo is a 4 foot 11inch,
blonde haired, green eyed girl, who thinks my truck is the coolest thing
she's ever rode in. >>

Your goin to WTI? That's awesome! The recruiters always come to my shop
class. Looks like a real nice school, not to mention it's in Wyomin! *Mah
heart longs to be there LOL*
By the way, it may just be a blonde thing, but what does "SWMBO" stand for???

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~Silly boys...trucks are for GIRLS~*~*
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:09:37 EST
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........

In a message dated 11/23/1999 8:43:26 AM !!!First Boot!!!, SevnD2 aol.com
writes:


Green Dragon". There is a smokey story behind the name ! >>

RIGHT ON!!! SOme other names popped into my head before "Envy" such as "The
Jolly Green Giant" or "Lil' Sprout" LOL Cute huh? Do tell me the
story!!!!!! =)

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~Silly boys...trucks are for GIRLS!~*~*
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:15:41 EST
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - pumpkin location

The smarta** in my is just dyin to say "Duh! A pumpkin patch!?!?" LOLOL

*~*~Lisa and Emvy~*~*
*~*~SIlly boys...truck are for GIRLS!~*~*
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:12:12 -0600
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - hardened valve seats

>>I have heard the lead served two purposes, octane boost and valve lube. I
have never seen in print that the lead was "not" used for octane or was not
the primary booster ingredient, always the opposite.

Trust me. I was in engineering school in 72 to 74 when all of this was
changing. I did 3 research papers on it. Octane actually dropped, but
appeared to increase because they also required every one to use the
Research plus Motors divided by 2 method for calculation. Before, some
gasoline used one or the other. It seems to me that the Research method
yielded a higher number but I don't remember.

>>Virtually all after
market boosters have a warning on the label which says: "Caution, contains
lead".

If you put it in a catylitic converter equipped car, you will ruin the
catalyst. Look at compression ratios. They dropped industry wide in 71 to
accommodate unleaded gas.

- -- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 13:34:34 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Clutch not quite right

> Well, the truck's back on the road after putting in the new clutch and
> fulcrum for the clutch fork. The pedal action is just fine BUT - - -
> there's a light scraping noise, sort of a whirring, that wasn't there
> before. The noise disappears when I depress the pedal.
>
> Is it likely that the mechanic didn't install the thing properly? Is it
> a job that's easy to mess up if you're not an expert? Most of all, would
> fixing it mean he has to take the whole thing out and practically do it
> all over?
>
> Denny
............

Sounds like there isn't enought free play for the throwout bearing to
disingage when the pedal is released. Perhaps you can fix the problem by
making adjustments to the treaded linkage rod. It would probably be a good
idea to fix the problem ASAP in order to prevent damage from occuring.

Danger
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:58:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Ballinger
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 390-460 Flywheels

>Oh come on, everyone knows the factory is wrong :)
>They just get close
>enough and then quit, duh! (sorry big pet peeve is
>people thinking the
>factory doesn't know what they are doing) Granted
>sometimes they do do
>dumb
>things (from our point of view), but most of the time
>there is actually
>logic from a different perspective. Also remember
>they have to build
>vehicles for the majority of the population (no
matter >what they claim
>about
>1%ers) ... lots of examples of great cars going out
of >production due
>to
>lack of sales even though they're technically perfect
>(or as close as
>you
>can get)

Yeah, look at the Contour. The best all around
performing affordable car I've ever had and they go
out of production in 2000. I had a '95 and my present
'98 (which I just got back from the body shop) and
they both out shine (or shone) anything of the type
I've driven. You set the criuse on 75 and it deals
with it. It has that just right mix of give and
firmness to the suspension, and with the passive rear
steering you get spoiled to the handling on two lane
roads. The little 2.0 engine is a strong performer, I
liked the 5-speed better but the auto is fine.
Nothing anyone else makes of that size even comes
close in my book. But there they go. Everyone wants
a cheapa** Cavalier clone. Junk. The Feces (Focus?)
will be a poor replacement for it.

FTE content: Does anyone know what year of 460 manual
trans flywheels will work on a 390? I'm going to
eventually get my assembly balanced(once I get my
parts back and I'm healthy enough to go back to work),
so instead of tearing down the truck to get the
flywheel, I'm going to get another one.
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:04:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Ballinger
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rare 4X4

Maybe the negative on the picture was printed
reversed. I've never
seen a

that I'm looking
at

that I've ever seen,
exit




The only Fords AFAIK that had the diff over there were
some NAPCO built conversions from the late '50's.
They are very rare.

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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:23:08 -0700
From: "Kiernan, Denny"
Subject: Re:FTE 61-79 - Clutch not quite right

Yikes! What an idiot! I wrote:

> Well, the truck's back on the road after putting in the new clutch and
> fulcrum for the clutch fork. The pedal action is just fine BUT - - -
> there's a light scraping noise, sort of a whirring, that wasn't there
> before. The noise disappears when I depress the pedal.

I should have said that the noise APPEARS when I depress the pedal. You
dont hear it when the clutch is engaged.

Also, it acts the same whether I'm sitting, in neutral, or moving, in
gear.

Another thing, there is a lot of vibration that wasn't there before the
clutch job. You feel it in the brake pedal mostly, also in the
gearshift, some in the clutch pedal.

The mechanic looked at it again and assures me that there's nothing to
worry about. BTW did I post what he said about the welding of the
fulcrum? He said they dropped the rivets back in the holes where they
had drilled out the old ones, and then "welded the *#%! out of it. He
says if anything goes wrong with it, he'll eat the truck.

(Let's see, what would go well with a Ford pick-up? A good Cabernet
Sauvignon?)
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:31:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Daniel DiMartino
Subject: FTE 61-79 - more bio...

my name is daniel, i'm 32 and i now live in yarmouth maine. i
moved here this august after living 9 years in Spain, a place i
wish to return to for good someday. i just got married last may
and brought my beutiful wife to the US of A. as a navy petty
officer of 14 years i've seen a good bit of places, mostly
europe. while in spain i got into road racing motorcycles (club
racing), first a honda CBR600, then i upgraded to a '96 Kawi
ZX7RR, which i sold with tears in my eyes right before i came
back. i raced (was spoiled) at the Jerez International Raceway,
one of the most modern road courses in the world. my best time,
a 2:05, the pros do 1:56's on a stock 750.

it was while in spain that i found my US Airforce issue aircraft
boarding ladder- a 1968 F-250 at a government auction. i had to
wait for ever for the auction, the first one i missed because it
wasn't published but then no one knew about it so no one bid.
then on the second auction some nut out bid me by $7500.00!! i
called him in madrid and told him he was crazy. he said he had
a buyer in a moroccan airport so he'd make his money, i said
good luck and thought that was it. but the truck was still
there 4 months later so when i asked what happened, i was told
that the guy refused the bid!!! so i was the next highest
bidder!! my truck right?? no, it goes back to the auction
block, start the whole process over. more waiting until febuary
of 1999 when i was the ONLY bidder and was awarded the prize f
250 that hadn't moved from its spot in over 2 years. when i
finally got control of the truck i had 4 weeks to ship it back
to the states. i didn't even know if ran, and trust me it
didn't. then the paperwork to bring it back to the states -i
could write a page on that- but all went well. i picked it up
in new jersey during one of the two bad hurricanes this summer,
i don't remember which, and i drove it up to massachusetts in a
drenching downpour to my fathers house for storage this winter.


i don't plan on driving the truck, i want to tear it down, and
put the 13,800 mile body and bed on a 4x4 frame. the original
frame was cut aft of the rear suspention when the ladder body
was installed. but first i have to build my garage, here is the
deal i ironed out with my wife, she wanted a new bathroom
upstairs in our new cape, but i put my foot down, and pleaded,
and agreed to a kitchen remodeling this winter if i get a garage
next spring before we add the bathroom. yeah, being single was
SO cool!!



=====
Daniel DiMartino

1968 F-250 soon to be a 4x4
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:10:55 -0500
From: "HARLEY A PUTNAM"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Breakfast or lunch?

Rollie, glad to hear there is someone else near here on the list. If you
want, just drop me an e-mail off the list and we can see if we can get
together. I also get to Winston-Salem right often, and we can meet there if
that works better. FTE content...when we meet up, you can tell me if you
need anything off the 75 explorer I'm parting out.

The Dirtyman, Andy

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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:17:19 -0600 (CST)
From: Rubberducky23 webtv.net (Danny Ling)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: front diff

My VIN# is F26SRY08978

I guess the history is a little sketchy at best for my truck.. I bought
it in 96. it had a Holmes wrecker bed on the back. I called the guy up
and he said he wanted $2500 for the truck but the motor (400) was going
south on it, and it had some parts to go with it. I show up and it has
a hydraulic PTO winch that runs all the wrecker functions. I drive the
truck and decide i like it, and inquire about the parts. He takes me to
his auto shop and shows me the bed that originally came on it (better
than new condition). He also had everything for Chelsie 35,000 pound
shaft/chain driven PTO winch except the cable and says it was on the
truck before it was converted to hydraulic. I drive it home and remove
the wrecker bed and put the pickup bed on and sell the wrecker portion
but I kept all the PTO stuff. (both systems) The truck itself had a 400
with C6, divorced NP 205, Dana/Spicer 44 front, and a Dana/Spicer 60
rear with a limited slip diff and a real nice axle truss. Instead of
rebuilding the 400, I opted to go bigger and better with a 429 or 460.
As luck would have it I found a 1969 429 from a T-Bird. Built the motor
up and did the conversion. next I painted the truck and fixed up the
interior. I had to find a cover for the now vacant PTO hole.

The truck was almost completely original. (from the AM only radio to the
FoMoCo radiator overflow bag on the inner fender well) I can see how
converting the T-Case would be easy. but the front diff has a casting
for the right spring built right into it. On top of that the front
differential casting has a large integrated ear extending from the right
of the diff cover which is for the hydraulic cylinder for my power
assist steering (which crosses the diff cover with about 1 1/2" of
clearance with the cover. the cylinder has to extend to turn the wheels
right and retract to pull them to the left. The shifter for the T-case
bolts to the right side of the tail shaft housing with a bracket under
the tail shaft bolts (no place to attach a speedo gear). The front
brakes are your typical 2 piston Ford calipers. The front hubs are the
monster "external" type that have the big 3/8 in allen bolts holding
them on. If the shifter for the T-case has been moved then its the best
body job I have ever seen since there is no extra holes in the floor
board and no visible patches even with the carpet out. Even the PTO
shifter has a real nice stamped, removable plate and boot.

Any info would be appreciated.

Laters, Danny Ling

77 F250 Highboy 4X4, 69 429 TJ

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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:21:13 -0700
From: "Kiernan, Denny"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - hardened valve seats

I've got the owner's manual for my 72 and it says nothing at all about
fuel, other than "gasoline".

"William S. Hart" wrote:

> > If someone has an owner's manual from 69 to 72, you should
> > be able to
> > look up fuel recommendtions. If it says it is OK to burn low lead
> > fuel, then
> > you have hardened valve seats, probably platinum.
>
> Low lead may have been enough to keep things lubed too ... but I know our 69
> Cougar w/351W (and being a new motor that year should've seen it coming)
> doesn't say anything about low-lead fuels in the owner's manual ... yes I
> read it once ... NOS manual from a swap meet :)
>
> I still stand by FE's never having had them from the factory ...
>
> Just my $.02
> wish
>
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:35:20 -0800
From: Bird Sandi M CNFB
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 5.0 or 5.2

wish,


5.2 or just a
misrememberance (senior moment? :)>

you're right. definately a [misrememberance (senior moment)/brain fart]..I
did that the whole time I had that Bronco. I hate liters!!!! I always just
sort of combined the 302 with the 5.0 to come up with 5.2! That darn Bronco
made me feel stupid. I hated popping the hood because so little was
recognizable. The first time I pulled the air filter to replace it I
remember saying "that's the air filter?....a square air filter?"

here's a good one. How common is it for a starter to last almost 35 years
and 360,000 miles? I've still got the original starter on my 65 F100! I
keep wondering when it's going to give out, although I haven't had any
problems with it. In all those years/miles, I've only replaced the other
'major' components once (water pump, alternator, voltage regulator, starter
solenoid).


Sandi
65 F100
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:51:54 -0600
From: "Norm"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: front diff

> My VIN# is F26SRY08978
>
> I guess the history is a little sketchy at best for my truck.. I bought
> it in 96.

Danny.......I have a friend that also has a truck with a pass side
diff...and it also has them big hubs! And it is also all original...(he
bought it from his dad!) So you aren't the only one! What ya should do is
try and find the Bill of Lading on that axle.....that would tell
plenty......I have a Spicer book here to decode it if you can find it....ya
should find it on the top of the driverside axle tube...or at least in most
cases ya will......if ya can't i will see if my friend still even owns that
truck...if so maybe he can shed some light!

Norm/Tracie dahorse jvlnet.com " Babied & Pampered"
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:00:15 -0800
From: "Jeff Norville"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '79 Bronco Rebuild - Two Birds

Howdy helpful folks:

My questions in this post are about 1) that aged 351M I mentioned last week,
and 2) a suspension inconsistency.

First - have found a rebuilt 351 M-block to swap into my 166,000+ mileage
Bronco, keeping it all stock - but now, at the moment of truth, I have been
tempted to put in a 400 as it would be such an easy upgrade. My question -
IS it an upgrade? Neither M-block seems to have a huge following, with all
exceptions subscribing to this list - would this give me more power? Or do
I care, since I mostly drive long distances to the desert and go really,
really slow over rocks? Just stick to adding TRW pistons to the 351M? If
you're an upgrade fan, know any hidden bugaboos to 400 conversion that would
haunt this shade tree kid? Especially in California?

Second - while putting new front shocks into the beast we discovered that I
am missing mounting brackets... On one side of the front axle the shock
mounts to a bracket in the radius arm, just like it shows in The Book, but
the other side has no bracket on the radius arm - instead the shock was
mounted on a non-OEM bracket that is a cast part of the cap (front, or
opposite site of axle from radius arm - holds c-bushings in place), and not
present on the other side. The top brackets for the shocks are, on one
side, behind the wheel, and in FRONT of the wheel on the other side. I am
guessing this would drive somebody who knew better crazy - just makes me
nervous.

Is it some 4by-ers retrofit gone bad? Know where I can get brackets to make
both sides symmetrical (four shocks was the goal...)? Best to hunt down all
brackets in pickaparts (after the engine goes in)?

Sorry about the long post - hoping to kill two birds with one stone.

Jeff
'79 Bronco
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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:00:16 -0400
From: joe delaurentis
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 Bronco Rebuild - Two Birds

Jeff,
your not missing brackets for the shocks..I've seen 2 Bronco's 78-79 that had
staggered shocks...One on the front arm and the other in the middle...Strange
things i've seen from Ford
Joe

Jeff Norville wrote:

> Howdy helpful folks:
>
> My questions in this post are about 1) that aged 351M I mentioned last week,
> and 2) a suspension inconsistency.
>
> First - have found a rebuilt 351 M-block to swap into my 166,000+ mileage
> Bronco, keeping it all stock - but now, at the moment of truth, I have been
> tempted to put in a 400 as it would be such an easy upgrade. My question -
> IS it an upgrade? Neither M-block seems to have a huge following, with all
> exceptions subscribing to this list - would this give me more power? Or do
> I care, since I mostly drive long distances to the desert and go really,
> really slow over rocks? Just stick to adding TRW pistons to the 351M? If
> you're an upgrade fan, know any hidden bugaboos to 400 conversion that would
> haunt this shade tree kid? Especially in California?
>
> Second - while putting new front shocks into the beast we discovered that I
> am missing mounting brackets... On one side of the front axle the shock
> mounts to a bracket in the radius arm, just like it shows in The Book, but
> the other side has no bracket on the radius arm - instead the shock was
> mounted on a non-OEM bracket that is a cast part of the cap (front, or
> opposite site of axle from radius arm - holds c-bushings in place), and not
> present on the other side. The top brackets for the shocks are, on one
> side, behind the wheel, and in FRONT of the wheel on the other side. I am
> guessing this would drive somebody who knew better crazy - just makes me
> nervous.
>
> Is it some 4by-ers retrofit gone bad? Know where I can get brackets to make
> both sides symmetrical (four shocks was the goal...)? Best to hunt down all
> brackets in pickaparts (after the engine goes in)?
>
> Sorry about the long post - hoping to kill two birds with one stone.
>
> Jeff
> '79 Bronco
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Joe
68 4x4 390 c6- Np 205 Dana 44 with Disc Brakes,
Since Ford Didn't build em this way in 68, I'll make my own!


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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:18:34 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 Bronco Rebuild - Two Birds

400 is the same block, heads & rods...direct bolt in. The only thing that
changes is the pistons & crank...nothing external and 49 extra cubes is
nothing to sneeze at!

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Norville
To: FTE
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 6:00 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '79 Bronco Rebuild - Two Birds


> Howdy helpful folks:
>
> My questions in this post are about 1) that aged 351M I mentioned last
week,
> and 2) a suspension inconsistency.
>
> First - have found a rebuilt 351 M-block to swap into my 166,000+ mileage
> Bronco, keeping it all stock - but now, at the moment of truth, I have
been
> tempted to put in a 400 as it would be such an easy upgrade. My
question -
> IS it an upgrade? Neither M-block seems to have a huge following, with
all
> exceptions subscribing to this list - would this give me more power? Or
do
> I care, since I mostly drive long distances to the desert and go really,
> really slow over rocks? Just stick to adding TRW pistons to the 351M?
If
> you're an upgrade fan, know any hidden bugaboos to 400 conversion that
would
> haunt this shade tree kid? Especially in California?



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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 02:26:59 GMT
From: "Brian Vance"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - water pump 351M

Last weekend I bought a new water pump and it came with two gaskets. They
were almost identical but not. While I was prying on the pump to get it
off, I thought that the thin plate behind the pump came off with it. I was
wrong, after looking in the book, I find that plate is a cover for the
timing chain. I busted the seal on it but the only way to get it off is to
pull the harmonic balancer. There is no way to goop silicone on it unless
its off. So after thinking about what to do, I decided to just bolt the
water pump on and hope for the best. I may get oil and antifreeze mixing if
this plate seal leaks. I havent finished it yet, does anybody have any
storys related to this plate behind the water pump? Is it a pain to remove
and re-gasket?

Thanks
Brian
77 F250

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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:35:43 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - water pump 351M

Just have to pull the balancer like you said and it does seal to the oil pan
too.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vance
To:
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 6:26 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - water pump 351M


> Last weekend I bought a new water pump and it came with two gaskets. They
> were almost identical but not. While I was prying on the pump to get it
> off, I thought that the thin plate behind the pump came off with it. I
was
> wrong, after looking in the book, I find that plate is a cover for the
> timing chain. I busted the seal on it but the only way to get it off is
to
> pull the harmonic balancer. There is no way to goop silicone on it unless
> its off. So after thinking about what to do, I decided to just bolt the
> water pump on and hope for the best. I may get oil and antifreeze mixing
if
> this plate seal leaks. I havent finished it yet, does anybody have any
> storys related to this plate behind the water pump? Is it a pain to
remove
> and re-gasket?



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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:45:09 -0800
From: Marv Miller
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: A LIL MO' INFO

Time to chime in. Marv Miller. Reseda, California. 53 years old. Married. Two
dogs. Born in upstate Minnesota, but moved from the farm to North Hollywood in 1951 at
age 6. First car a '57 Fairlane 500 2-door hardtop with a 312. Wish I still had it.
Worked as a parts "chimp" while going to college with an electronics engineering major.
Didn't finish, joining the Air Force instead, where I twisted wrenches in a base motor
pool maintenance shop in Nashville, TN for a couple of years. Got REAL well versed in
Econolines the likes of Jerry's. Decided to get clean fingernails and ended up as a TV
news director for Armed Forces Radio & TV in the Phillipines. It was there that I dropped
my first FE oil pump drive rod into the pan of a '58 332. Still remember that. After the
service, had a small repair shop, got into Mopars, and had a Chev half ton with a 235,
which I scattered all over the freeway. Decided on no more of the General's products.
Got back into the electronics biz. Bought a little Pinto wagon 'cause it was "cute", and
decided that I really was a Ford kind of guy, after all. Got into desert m/c racing, and
needed a truck.

Bought a '70 F-250 Camper Special from my dad, that he had bought from my brother, who
bought it new. Pinto got turned into an accordian on the San Diego Freeway, and the F-250
was THIRSTY during the first gas crunch in the mid-'70's. Bought a used Kammbach Vega,
which I promptly turned into the mosquito control special coming over the Sepulveda Pass
sans coolant. This time swore off the General for good. Drove the F-250 until I got
married in 1981. Still with her. When you look in the dictionary under SWIMBO, there's
her picture! She decided we needed vehicles like Mazdas and Hondas. They have served us
very well, I might add. Parked the 'Special under a plum tree in a buddy's construction
back-lot.

Her son, (I treated him as mine since he was seven), came to me when he was 14 years old,
and suggested that the Ford would make a great first "car". I agreed, and told him he had
to go through the brake, steering, and suspension systems before he could drive it. We
took three years, going through the engine and trans, as well. Body lifted it until it
looked like a 4X. He drove it for about four years and bought a 4-Runner. We then took
the 390 apart again and filled it with goodies. Dropped it down onto the ground with air
bags all around, dropped front I-beams, channeled the cab into the frame about two inches,
and stuck a Versailles 9-incher with disks in the rear on a two-link sub-frame. This was
about four years ago. He has since moved into his own home, but I look back on those
times of working with him with great fondness. He learned a lot about mechanics. I
learned a lot about being a father. The F-250 is still parked in my driveway, to my
wife's chagrin, and hasn't been fired up in a long while. If he doesn't come and get it
soon, I think I'll make him an offer. It'll keep it in the family, and I can't bear to
part with it.

I was a field engineer for a major avionics company until about six years ago, when I was
"surplussed". I now do soils and percolation testing for a geology company, and do home
handiman work in my spare time. Getting crankier by the day. Been following this list,
in digest mode, for about two and a half years or so. Only Ken knows for sure. Have
always read it, no matter how far behind I get, ever since the Deekster showed up at my
doorstep and put a representative face (what a face!) to the good people herein. You've
always made me feel my comments were welcome. Thanks.

-M-

Marv Miller mailto:ae722 lafn.org
"Striving to be the person
that my dog thinks I am".
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 22:16:40 EST
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 or 429, that is the question.

In a message dated 11/23/99 9:54:29 AM Eastern Standard Time,
wish iastate.edu writes:

> plus, as someone said, it just sounds cool when you have over 400
> cubic inches :)

Accually I said that the entire thing would be cool,,,"propane powered 429
cubic inch big block" but yeah over 400 ci is cool too,,, ;-)

Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M
True Blue Ford Blue
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 22:20:34 EST
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........

In a message dated 11/23/99 11:33:08 AM Eastern Standard Time,
theodore ford-trucks.com writes:

> I have always been Ford faithful, but SWISO (She Who Is
> Sometimes Obeyed) is a GM nut. In fact, she drug home a ' 69 GTO the other
> day.

If I didnt have that part of me that liked pontiacs I'd say "run it over"

Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M
True Blue Ford Blue
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 22:33:58 EST
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 suspension TTB stuff

Speaking of leaf springs,,,,you guys think that late model 1-ton springs
would fit a 79 3/4 ton? maybe provide 2-3" of lift so i could fit those 35"
tires on without spending 800 bucks on a lift kit? if not late-model then
maybe 80-91's?

Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M
True Blue Ford Blue
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 22:45:54 EST
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO

In a message dated 11/23/99 3:13:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Bad4dFilly aol.com writes:

> By the way, it may just be a blonde thing, but what does "SWMBO" stand
for???

I think it means "She Who Must Be Obeyed" but i could be wrong,,,,

Ian
F250 4x4 4spd 351M
True Blue Ford Blue
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:50:48 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tailgates

Found this site. You guys looking for unibody tailgates might conntact them
and see if they have anything

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pros-pick.com/index2.html


Tom H
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:56:45 -0800 (PST)
From: canzus seanet.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - A little bout me

At 07:41 PM 22:11:99 -0800, Michael J. Platt wrote:
>Hello All,

>...which brings me to a question.....Will the bellhousing interchange on
the 302 and
>300? How about the flywheel?

Hi Mike;
The bellhousing will fit, the flywheel won't,

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
97 Contour, Mine

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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:57:09 -0800 (PST)
From: canzus seanet.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........

At 07:33 AM 23:11:99 PST, Don Jones wrote:
> Hi! my name is Don Jones. I live in a small town in northern Ontario,
>Canada.

Which small town?? Sudbury, Timmins, Wawa, Sault St. Marie or
further north??

I used to live in the T. O. area, Millikin to be exact....
Spent our summers in the Smith Falls area or Pembroke area,
and wintered in T.O.


Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
97 Contour, Mine

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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:57:24 -0800 (PST)
From: canzus seanet.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Shooting out of gear

At 01:40 PM 23:11:99 -0500, am14 daimlerchrysler.com wrote:
>
>
>Kory writes: >>But wait, there's more...if I don't double clutch shifting up
>into 3rd it grinds every time.
>
>Sure sign of Syncronizers shot, or clutch not releasing. You're going to have
>determine which and if it is the tranny, you'll have to open it up and go
>through it. Does it go in 1st gear Ok when you 1st take off???? If it goes in
>1st OK from start up, then it will most likely be the syncros.
>

Okay, heres the test for bad synchros, Shift without using the clutch, if you
can shift from 1st, to 2nd, to 3rd, without grinding without using the clutch
the clutch is the problem, if it grinds anyway, the synchros are the problem,
or properly termed the "blocking rings" are toast....

e-mail me for more of an accurate discription.....

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
97 Contour, Mine

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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:57:33 -0800 (PST)
From: canzus seanet.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - bio

At 11:02 AM 23:11:99 -0800, Dennis Pearson wrote:
>Thanks for your message at 01:37 PM 11/23/99 EST, LovBNBad aol.com. Your
>message was:
>>HI ALL MY NAME IS JAMES ADDONIZIO AND I AM A FORDAHOLIC.BEEN ON THE LIST FOR
>>BOUT 4 MONTHS NOW I'M ALSO THE VOYEUR OF THE LIST.45 YRS OLD IN PROCESS OF A
>
>...gotta get that Caps Lock key fixed...

I was wondering why he was shouting......

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
97 Contour, Mine

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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:57:47 -0800 (PST)
From: canzus seanet.com
Subject: Re:FTE 61-79 - Clutch not quite right

At 03:23 PM 23:11:99 -0700, Kiernan, Denny wrote:

>
>The mechanic looked at it again and assures me that there's nothing to
>worry about. BTW did I post what he said about the welding of the
>fulcrum? He said they dropped the rivets back in the holes where they
>had drilled out the old ones, and then "welded the *#%! out of it. He
>says if anything goes wrong with it, he'll eat the truck.
>
>(Let's see, what would go well with a Ford pick-up? A good Cabernet
>Sauvignon?)

I think a fine Merlot would be better, or perhaps a Bordeaux?

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
97 Contour, Mine

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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 21:54:19 -0700
From: "Bertolin"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 65 F100 & lead additive

Sandi wrote:
> Roberta,
> short story about my truck (to bolster your faith in yours).

Sandi, thanks for sharing the story about your truck. I change the oil and
check everything regularly just as you do. When I'm not driving it, it's
garaged so everything stays protected from the elements. I do have a
question about the lead additive. The prior owner (1984-1997) told me he had
not added lead additives after they dropped the leaded fuel (a few years
locally). My brother didn't seem to think it was a big deal not adding lead
so I haven't but I'm getting the impression from some of the recent comments
that perhaps I should begin. I'm pretty easy on the engine. The bed stays
empty most of the time except for the occasional haul home from the Home
Depot and the periodic trips to the local land fill. Any comments/thoughts
on this would be appreciated. Thanks, Roberta with 1965 custom cab,
original 240 I6.


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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 23:18:09 -0600
From: "Eric Washburn"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........

I guess I'll add to this topic :) I'm 18, live in Azle, TX(near Ft. Worth),
drive a '67 F100 Custom Cab(currently primer) with a 240. I listen to
Country music and a little bit of Alternative(like Blink182, Offspring,
etc), I work in Arlington, and I also go to Weatherford College this year,
next year is A&M. I guess that's about it.


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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 23:23:31 -0600
From: "Eric Washburn"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - (doh) A LIL MO' INFO.........

I forgot to add that I'm single and have a pesky 16 yr old sister :) She'll
kill me if she sees this.


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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 00:47:45 EST
From: SMOKEY5209 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Pigeon Forge 2000

Can anybody help me out with when Pigeon Forge 2000 will be held and who to
contact for more information.
Thanks in Advance
Ed
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 00:51:11 EST
From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rancheros, Falcon?

In a message dated 11/22/1999 12:34:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
gpeters3 visteon.com writes:

> Looks like a 58 something or other....? Wonder what a 78 lincoln would look
> like made into a Ranchero....:-) Be a good place to practice my metal
> working skills :-)
>
> --
> Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
> 78 Bronco Loving, Gary
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167
> --

Ive got an old article where a guy did this with a 74 Pinto wagon. Made for a
real neat looking custom truck for the occasional bail of hay!

George
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 22:17:17 PST
From: "Don Jones"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........

>>Which small town?? Sudbury, Timmins, Wawa, Sault St. Marie or
further north??

>>I used to live in the T. O. area, Millikin to be exact....
>>Spent our summers in the Smith Falls area or Pembroke area,
>>and wintered in T.O.


>>Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX


Its a small town called Thessalon.. midway between Sault Ste Marie and
Sudbury on the north shore of Lake Huron


Don Jones
1970 f-250 4x4 ~Fordzilla~

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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:25:39 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - hardened valve seats

In a message dated 11/23/99 11:36:38 AM Eastern Standard Time,
gpeters3 visteon.com writes:


have never seen in print that the lead was "not" used for octane or was not
the primary booster ingredient, always the opposite. >>

Lead since its invention around 1920 has been added to gasoline only for
octane improvement. The engines prior to the use of lead used compression
ratios of 4 to 5, not much and they got lousy mileage and little power. They
were concerned that petroleum was running out and the Army wanted airplanes
with some performance. The thought in those days was, develop an additive to
gasoline that would allow the use of 6:1 CR. Planes could carry bigger loads
faster, and the Worlds known petroleum reserves would be saved. They started
with the knowledge that the heavier metal that you added to gasoline the
better knock control you got. It did not take long before they figured out
that they needed a compound of lead that would desoIve in the gas. It is a
long story how they eventually produced it, took 3 years worth of research by
the Federal Government, Standard Oil, and many universities. They added it
to gas and it worked wonderfully except that within a very few hours of
operation the spark plugs were plated with lead and shorted them selves out.
Big problem, can not use lead because the combustion process reduced the
Tetra ethyl lead to pure metallic lead that conducts the spark away from the
gap. Then they had to invent scavengers that would remove the lead from the
combustion chamber. Then the lead that remained in the engine was very very
little, not something you could see visually. But, as luck would have it,
very very little is just enough to lubricate the valve seats and prevent
galling, which was the primary method of valve seat erosion. They tried to
get the lead out, but did not succeed and it accidentally helped keep
manufacturing costs low for about 60 years.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:55:47 EST
From: SevnD2 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - water pump 351M

In a message dated 11/23/1999 9:29:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
vancester hotmail.com writes:


were almost identical but not. While I was prying on the pump to get it
off, I thought that the thin plate behind the pump came off with it. I was
wrong, after looking in the book, I find that plate is a cover for the
timing chain. I busted the seal on it but the only way to get it off is to
pull the harmonic balancer.
I have a 351C and the same plate is on it , so yes you have to take off the
balancer and may have to loosen the oil pan to get room for the new gaskets
that seal it on the plate ( I did on mine ) . There is good side to taking
off the timing plate . You can install a new front seal while your there .
Also gives you complete access to the timing chain ! why not put a new one on
, or upgrade it to a more durable one ? I know how to spend your money don't
I ? LOL

I havent finished it yet, does anybody have any
storys related to this plate behind the water pump? Is it a pain to remove
and re-gasket? >>

I don't think it is that hard to do this gasket replacement . I would caution
about being very careful to keep trash out of the oil pan while cleaning off
the old gasket from the block and oil pan .
Hope this helps .
Rollie H. Hunt
King N.C.
1976 F100 Explorer , 391FT(428 cu in)
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 02:04:42 EST
From: SevnD2 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Breakfast or lunch?

In a message dated 11/23/1999 7:16:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
clukcluk mindspring.com writes:


want, just drop me an e-mail off the list and we can see if we can get
together.
I would like that . I will get in touch .

when we meet up, you can tell me if you
need anything off the 75 explorer I'm parting out.

Now your talkin ! I am sure there are a couple of Items I can use a good
replacement for on my 76 Explorer . :-)
Rollie H. Hunt
King,N.C.
1976 F100 Explorer, 391FT(428 cu in)
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 02:44:05 EST
From: SevnD2 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - The Green Dragon story !

Ok Lisa and anyone interested in the story behind the nickname of my green 76
Explorer !
When I first obtained this truck I had some adjustments to make from time to....


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