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 ford-trucks.com (61-79-list-digest) To: 61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com Subject: 61-79-list-digest V3 #433 Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Sender: owner-61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com Errors-To: owner-61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com Precedence: bulk 61-79-list-digest Wednesday, November 24 1999 Volume 03 : Number 433 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: Re: FTE 61-79 - bio RE: FTE 61-79 - Clutch not quite right FTE 61-79 - 390 in '79 Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO......... Re: FTE 61-79 - pumpkin location FTE 61-79 - hardened valve seats Re: FTE 61-79 - Clutch not quite right FTE 61-79 - 390-460 Flywheels FTE 61-79 - Rare 4X4 Re:FTE 61-79 - Clutch not quite right FTE 61-79 - more bio... FTE 61-79 - Breakfast or lunch? FTE 61-79 - Re: front diff RE: FTE 61-79 - hardened valve seats FTE 61-79 - 5.0 or 5.2 Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: front diff FTE 61-79 - '79 Bronco Rebuild - Two Birds Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 Bronco Rebuild - Two Birds Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 Bronco Rebuild - Two Birds FTE 61-79 - water pump 351M Re: FTE 61-79 - water pump 351M FTE 61-79 - Re: A LIL MO' INFO Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 or 429, that is the question. Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO......... Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 suspension TTB stuff Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO FTE 61-79 - Tailgates Re: FTE 61-79 - A little bout me Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO......... Re: FTE 61-79 - Shooting out of gear Re: FTE 61-79 - bio Re:FTE 61-79 - Clutch not quite right RE: FTE 61-79 - 65 F100 & lead additive FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO......... FTE 61-79 - (doh) A LIL MO' INFO......... FTE 61-79 - Pigeon Forge 2000 Re: FTE 61-79 - Rancheros, Falcon? Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO......... Re: FTE 61-79 - hardened valve seats Re: FTE 61-79 - water pump 351M Re: FTE 61-79 - Breakfast or lunch? FTE 61-79 - The Green Dragon story ! FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:02:50 -0800 From: Dennis Pearson Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - bio Thanks for your message at 01:37 PM 11/23/99 EST, LovBNBad aol.com. Your message was: >HI ALL MY NAME IS JAMES ADDONIZIO AND I AM A FORDAHOLIC.BEEN ON THE LIST FOR >BOUT 4 MONTHS NOW I'M ALSO THE VOYEUR OF THE LIST.45 YRS OLD IN PROCESS OF A ...gotta get that Caps Lock key fixed... == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:19:14 -0500 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Clutch not quite right This may be the return spring. It's only function is to keep the throw out lever/bearing against it's stop, that is, the transmission nose. If there is no free play in the pedal it could be a simple adjustment but if there is free play, check the return spring and make sure that when the pedal is fully home the throw out lever is also. Since this is a repaired fulcrum the retainer, flat spring on the throw out arm may not be engaging it correctly so that it remains in contact with the fulcrum at full rest. You should be able to see that through the throwout lever window in the bell housing if you pull the boot back. - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > Well, the truck's back on the road after putting in the new clutch and > fulcrum for the clutch fork. The pedal action is just fine BUT - - - > there's a light scraping noise, sort of a whirring, that wasn't there > before. The noise disappears when I depress the pedal. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:40:15 -0500 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - 390 in '79 Dan writes: >>I've heard the frame was narrowed on the late '70's F-series and the 390 may not set down in and bolt up very easily. Don't think so. If you really want to put an FE(390) in the '79 get some engine stanchions from a '73/76 that came with a 360 and it will bolt in. You are aware that the FE carries a unique bellhousing bolt pattern and is not compatable with any other Ford engine family Right??? Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:05:00 EST From: Bad4dFilly aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO In a message dated 11/22/1999 9:25:07 PM !!!First Boot!!!, jedolson juno.com writes: Technical Institute,in Laramie Wyoming, where I will be taking classes in Diesel Mechanics and Streetrod Building. MY swmbo is a 4 foot 11inch, blonde haired, green eyed girl, who thinks my truck is the coolest thing she's ever rode in. >> Your goin to WTI? That's awesome! The recruiters always come to my shop class. Looks like a real nice school, not to mention it's in Wyomin! *Mah heart longs to be there LOL* By the way, it may just be a blonde thing, but what does "SWMBO" stand for??? *~*~Lisa and Envy~*~* *~*~Silly boys...trucks are for GIRLS~*~* == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:09:37 EST From: Bad4dFilly aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO......... In a message dated 11/23/1999 8:43:26 AM !!!First Boot!!!, SevnD2 aol.com writes: Green Dragon". There is a smokey story behind the name ! >> RIGHT ON!!! SOme other names popped into my head before "Envy" such as "The Jolly Green Giant" or "Lil' Sprout" LOL Cute huh? Do tell me the story!!!!!! =) *~*~Lisa and Envy~*~* *~*~Silly boys...trucks are for GIRLS!~*~* == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:15:41 EST From: Bad4dFilly aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - pumpkin location The smarta** in my is just dyin to say "Duh! A pumpkin patch!?!?" LOLOL *~*~Lisa and Emvy~*~* *~*~SIlly boys...truck are for GIRLS!~*~* == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:12:12 -0600 From: "John LaGrone" Subject: FTE 61-79 - hardened valve seats >>I have heard the lead served two purposes, octane boost and valve lube. I have never seen in print that the lead was "not" used for octane or was not the primary booster ingredient, always the opposite. Trust me. I was in engineering school in 72 to 74 when all of this was changing. I did 3 research papers on it. Octane actually dropped, but appeared to increase because they also required every one to use the Research plus Motors divided by 2 method for calculation. Before, some gasoline used one or the other. It seems to me that the Research method yielded a higher number but I don't remember. >>Virtually all after market boosters have a warning on the label which says: "Caution, contains lead". If you put it in a catylitic converter equipped car, you will ruin the catalyst. Look at compression ratios. They dropped industry wide in 71 to accommodate unleaded gas. - -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com 1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 13:34:34 -0700 From: "Danger" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Clutch not quite right > Well, the truck's back on the road after putting in the new clutch and > fulcrum for the clutch fork. The pedal action is just fine BUT - - - > there's a light scraping noise, sort of a whirring, that wasn't there > before. The noise disappears when I depress the pedal. > > Is it likely that the mechanic didn't install the thing properly? Is it > a job that's easy to mess up if you're not an expert? Most of all, would > fixing it mean he has to take the whole thing out and practically do it > all over? > > Denny ............ Sounds like there isn't enought free play for the throwout bearing to disingage when the pedal is released. Perhaps you can fix the problem by making adjustments to the treaded linkage rod. It would probably be a good idea to fix the problem ASAP in order to prevent damage from occuring. Danger danger csolutions.net == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:58:34 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Ballinger Subject: FTE 61-79 - 390-460 Flywheels >Oh come on, everyone knows the factory is wrong :) >They just get close >enough and then quit, duh! (sorry big pet peeve is >people thinking the >factory doesn't know what they are doing) Granted >sometimes they do do >dumb >things (from our point of view), but most of the time >there is actually >logic from a different perspective. Also remember >they have to build >vehicles for the majority of the population (no matter >what they claim >about >1%ers) ... lots of examples of great cars going out of >production due >to >lack of sales even though they're technically perfect >(or as close as >you >can get) Yeah, look at the Contour. The best all around performing affordable car I've ever had and they go out of production in 2000. I had a '95 and my present '98 (which I just got back from the body shop) and they both out shine (or shone) anything of the type I've driven. You set the criuse on 75 and it deals with it. It has that just right mix of give and firmness to the suspension, and with the passive rear steering you get spoiled to the handling on two lane roads. The little 2.0 engine is a strong performer, I liked the 5-speed better but the auto is fine. Nothing anyone else makes of that size even comes close in my book. But there they go. Everyone wants a cheapa** Cavalier clone. Junk. The Feces (Focus?) will be a poor replacement for it. FTE content: Does anyone know what year of 460 manual trans flywheels will work on a 390? I'm going to eventually get my assembly balanced(once I get my parts back and I'm healthy enough to go back to work), so instead of tearing down the truck to get the flywheel, I'm going to get another one. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:04:22 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Ballinger Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rare 4X4 Maybe the negative on the picture was printed reversed. I've never seen a that I'm looking at that I've ever seen, exit The only Fords AFAIK that had the diff over there were some NAPCO built conversions from the late '50's. They are very rare. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:23:08 -0700 From: "Kiernan, Denny" Subject: Re:FTE 61-79 - Clutch not quite right Yikes! What an idiot! I wrote: > Well, the truck's back on the road after putting in the new clutch and > fulcrum for the clutch fork. The pedal action is just fine BUT - - - > there's a light scraping noise, sort of a whirring, that wasn't there > before. The noise disappears when I depress the pedal. I should have said that the noise APPEARS when I depress the pedal. You dont hear it when the clutch is engaged. Also, it acts the same whether I'm sitting, in neutral, or moving, in gear. Another thing, there is a lot of vibration that wasn't there before the clutch job. You feel it in the brake pedal mostly, also in the gearshift, some in the clutch pedal. The mechanic looked at it again and assures me that there's nothing to worry about. BTW did I post what he said about the welding of the fulcrum? He said they dropped the rivets back in the holes where they had drilled out the old ones, and then "welded the *#%! out of it. He says if anything goes wrong with it, he'll eat the truck. (Let's see, what would go well with a Ford pick-up? A good Cabernet Sauvignon?) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:31:39 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel DiMartino Subject: FTE 61-79 - more bio... my name is daniel, i'm 32 and i now live in yarmouth maine. i moved here this august after living 9 years in Spain, a place i wish to return to for good someday. i just got married last may and brought my beutiful wife to the US of A. as a navy petty officer of 14 years i've seen a good bit of places, mostly europe. while in spain i got into road racing motorcycles (club racing), first a honda CBR600, then i upgraded to a '96 Kawi ZX7RR, which i sold with tears in my eyes right before i came back. i raced (was spoiled) at the Jerez International Raceway, one of the most modern road courses in the world. my best time, a 2:05, the pros do 1:56's on a stock 750. it was while in spain that i found my US Airforce issue aircraft boarding ladder- a 1968 F-250 at a government auction. i had to wait for ever for the auction, the first one i missed because it wasn't published but then no one knew about it so no one bid. then on the second auction some nut out bid me by $7500.00!! i called him in madrid and told him he was crazy. he said he had a buyer in a moroccan airport so he'd make his money, i said good luck and thought that was it. but the truck was still there 4 months later so when i asked what happened, i was told that the guy refused the bid!!! so i was the next highest bidder!! my truck right?? no, it goes back to the auction block, start the whole process over. more waiting until febuary of 1999 when i was the ONLY bidder and was awarded the prize f 250 that hadn't moved from its spot in over 2 years. when i finally got control of the truck i had 4 weeks to ship it back to the states. i didn't even know if ran, and trust me it didn't. then the paperwork to bring it back to the states -i could write a page on that- but all went well. i picked it up in new jersey during one of the two bad hurricanes this summer, i don't remember which, and i drove it up to massachusetts in a drenching downpour to my fathers house for storage this winter. i don't plan on driving the truck, i want to tear it down, and put the 13,800 mile body and bed on a 4x4 frame. the original frame was cut aft of the rear suspention when the ladder body was installed. but first i have to build my garage, here is the deal i ironed out with my wife, she wanted a new bathroom upstairs in our new cape, but i put my foot down, and pleaded, and agreed to a kitchen remodeling this winter if i get a garage next spring before we add the bathroom. yeah, being single was SO cool!! ===== Daniel DiMartino 1968 F-250 soon to be a 4x4 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:10:55 -0500 From: "HARLEY A PUTNAM" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Breakfast or lunch? Rollie, glad to hear there is someone else near here on the list. If you want, just drop me an e-mail off the list and we can see if we can get together. I also get to Winston-Salem right often, and we can meet there if that works better. FTE content...when we meet up, you can tell me if you need anything off the 75 explorer I'm parting out. The Dirtyman, Andy == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:17:19 -0600 (CST) From: Rubberducky23 webtv.net (Danny Ling) Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: front diff My VIN# is F26SRY08978 I guess the history is a little sketchy at best for my truck.. I bought it in 96. it had a Holmes wrecker bed on the back. I called the guy up and he said he wanted $2500 for the truck but the motor (400) was going south on it, and it had some parts to go with it. I show up and it has a hydraulic PTO winch that runs all the wrecker functions. I drive the truck and decide i like it, and inquire about the parts. He takes me to his auto shop and shows me the bed that originally came on it (better than new condition). He also had everything for Chelsie 35,000 pound shaft/chain driven PTO winch except the cable and says it was on the truck before it was converted to hydraulic. I drive it home and remove the wrecker bed and put the pickup bed on and sell the wrecker portion but I kept all the PTO stuff. (both systems) The truck itself had a 400 with C6, divorced NP 205, Dana/Spicer 44 front, and a Dana/Spicer 60 rear with a limited slip diff and a real nice axle truss. Instead of rebuilding the 400, I opted to go bigger and better with a 429 or 460. As luck would have it I found a 1969 429 from a T-Bird. Built the motor up and did the conversion. next I painted the truck and fixed up the interior. I had to find a cover for the now vacant PTO hole. The truck was almost completely original. (from the AM only radio to the FoMoCo radiator overflow bag on the inner fender well) I can see how converting the T-Case would be easy. but the front diff has a casting for the right spring built right into it. On top of that the front differential casting has a large integrated ear extending from the right of the diff cover which is for the hydraulic cylinder for my power assist steering (which crosses the diff cover with about 1 1/2" of clearance with the cover. the cylinder has to extend to turn the wheels right and retract to pull them to the left. The shifter for the T-case bolts to the right side of the tail shaft housing with a bracket under the tail shaft bolts (no place to attach a speedo gear). The front brakes are your typical 2 piston Ford calipers. The front hubs are the monster "external" type that have the big 3/8 in allen bolts holding them on. If the shifter for the T-case has been moved then its the best body job I have ever seen since there is no extra holes in the floor board and no visible patches even with the carpet out. Even the PTO shifter has a real nice stamped, removable plate and boot. Any info would be appreciated. Laters, Danny Ling 77 F250 Highboy 4X4, 69 429 TJ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:21:13 -0700 From: "Kiernan, Denny" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - hardened valve seats I've got the owner's manual for my 72 and it says nothing at all about fuel, other than "gasoline". "William S. Hart" wrote: > > If someone has an owner's manual from 69 to 72, you should > > be able to > > look up fuel recommendtions. If it says it is OK to burn low lead > > fuel, then > > you have hardened valve seats, probably platinum. > > Low lead may have been enough to keep things lubed too ... but I know our 69 > Cougar w/351W (and being a new motor that year should've seen it coming) > doesn't say anything about low-lead fuels in the owner's manual ... yes I > read it once ... NOS manual from a swap meet :) > > I still stand by FE's never having had them from the factory ... > > Just my $.02 > wish > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:35:20 -0800 From: Bird Sandi M CNFB Subject: FTE 61-79 - 5.0 or 5.2 wish, 5.2 or just a misrememberance (senior moment? :)> you're right. definately a [misrememberance (senior moment)/brain fart]..I did that the whole time I had that Bronco. I hate liters!!!! I always just sort of combined the 302 with the 5.0 to come up with 5.2! That darn Bronco made me feel stupid. I hated popping the hood because so little was recognizable. The first time I pulled the air filter to replace it I remember saying "that's the air filter?....a square air filter?" here's a good one. How common is it for a starter to last almost 35 years and 360,000 miles? I've still got the original starter on my 65 F100! I keep wondering when it's going to give out, although I haven't had any problems with it. In all those years/miles, I've only replaced the other 'major' components once (water pump, alternator, voltage regulator, starter solenoid). Sandi 65 F100 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:51:54 -0600 From: "Norm" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: front diff > My VIN# is F26SRY08978 > > I guess the history is a little sketchy at best for my truck.. I bought > it in 96. Danny.......I have a friend that also has a truck with a pass side diff...and it also has them big hubs! And it is also all original...(he bought it from his dad!) So you aren't the only one! What ya should do is try and find the Bill of Lading on that axle.....that would tell plenty......I have a Spicer book here to decode it if you can find it....ya should find it on the top of the driverside axle tube...or at least in most cases ya will......if ya can't i will see if my friend still even owns that truck...if so maybe he can shed some light! Norm/Tracie dahorse jvlnet.com " Babied & Pampered" http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=231 http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.jvlnet.com/~dahorse == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:00:15 -0800 From: "Jeff Norville" Subject: FTE 61-79 - '79 Bronco Rebuild - Two Birds Howdy helpful folks: My questions in this post are about 1) that aged 351M I mentioned last week, and 2) a suspension inconsistency. First - have found a rebuilt 351 M-block to swap into my 166,000+ mileage Bronco, keeping it all stock - but now, at the moment of truth, I have been tempted to put in a 400 as it would be such an easy upgrade. My question - IS it an upgrade? Neither M-block seems to have a huge following, with all exceptions subscribing to this list - would this give me more power? Or do I care, since I mostly drive long distances to the desert and go really, really slow over rocks? Just stick to adding TRW pistons to the 351M? If you're an upgrade fan, know any hidden bugaboos to 400 conversion that would haunt this shade tree kid? Especially in California? Second - while putting new front shocks into the beast we discovered that I am missing mounting brackets... On one side of the front axle the shock mounts to a bracket in the radius arm, just like it shows in The Book, but the other side has no bracket on the radius arm - instead the shock was mounted on a non-OEM bracket that is a cast part of the cap (front, or opposite site of axle from radius arm - holds c-bushings in place), and not present on the other side. The top brackets for the shocks are, on one side, behind the wheel, and in FRONT of the wheel on the other side. I am guessing this would drive somebody who knew better crazy - just makes me nervous. Is it some 4by-ers retrofit gone bad? Know where I can get brackets to make both sides symmetrical (four shocks was the goal...)? Best to hunt down all brackets in pickaparts (after the engine goes in)? Sorry about the long post - hoping to kill two birds with one stone. Jeff '79 Bronco == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:00:16 -0400 From: joe delaurentis Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 Bronco Rebuild - Two Birds Jeff, your not missing brackets for the shocks..I've seen 2 Bronco's 78-79 that had staggered shocks...One on the front arm and the other in the middle...Strange things i've seen from Ford Joe Jeff Norville wrote: > Howdy helpful folks: > > My questions in this post are about 1) that aged 351M I mentioned last week, > and 2) a suspension inconsistency. > > First - have found a rebuilt 351 M-block to swap into my 166,000+ mileage > Bronco, keeping it all stock - but now, at the moment of truth, I have been > tempted to put in a 400 as it would be such an easy upgrade. My question - > IS it an upgrade? Neither M-block seems to have a huge following, with all > exceptions subscribing to this list - would this give me more power? Or do > I care, since I mostly drive long distances to the desert and go really, > really slow over rocks? Just stick to adding TRW pistons to the 351M? If > you're an upgrade fan, know any hidden bugaboos to 400 conversion that would > haunt this shade tree kid? Especially in California? > > Second - while putting new front shocks into the beast we discovered that I > am missing mounting brackets... On one side of the front axle the shock > mounts to a bracket in the radius arm, just like it shows in The Book, but > the other side has no bracket on the radius arm - instead the shock was > mounted on a non-OEM bracket that is a cast part of the cap (front, or > opposite site of axle from radius arm - holds c-bushings in place), and not > present on the other side. The top brackets for the shocks are, on one > side, behind the wheel, and in FRONT of the wheel on the other side. I am > guessing this would drive somebody who knew better crazy - just makes me > nervous. > > Is it some 4by-ers retrofit gone bad? Know where I can get brackets to make > both sides symmetrical (four shocks was the goal...)? Best to hunt down all > brackets in pickaparts (after the engine goes in)? > > Sorry about the long post - hoping to kill two birds with one stone. > > Jeff > '79 Bronco > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html - -- Joe 68 4x4 390 c6- Np 205 Dana 44 with Disc Brakes, Since Ford Didn't build em this way in 68, I'll make my own! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:18:34 -0800 From: "Bill Beyer" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '79 Bronco Rebuild - Two Birds 400 is the same block, heads & rods...direct bolt in. The only thing that changes is the pistons & crank...nothing external and 49 extra cubes is nothing to sneeze at! "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets" - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Norville To: FTE Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 6:00 PM Subject: FTE 61-79 - '79 Bronco Rebuild - Two Birds > Howdy helpful folks: > > My questions in this post are about 1) that aged 351M I mentioned last week, > and 2) a suspension inconsistency. > > First - have found a rebuilt 351 M-block to swap into my 166,000+ mileage > Bronco, keeping it all stock - but now, at the moment of truth, I have been > tempted to put in a 400 as it would be such an easy upgrade. My question - > IS it an upgrade? Neither M-block seems to have a huge following, with all > exceptions subscribing to this list - would this give me more power? Or do > I care, since I mostly drive long distances to the desert and go really, > really slow over rocks? Just stick to adding TRW pistons to the 351M? If > you're an upgrade fan, know any hidden bugaboos to 400 conversion that would > haunt this shade tree kid? Especially in California? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 02:26:59 GMT From: "Brian Vance" Subject: FTE 61-79 - water pump 351M Last weekend I bought a new water pump and it came with two gaskets. They were almost identical but not. While I was prying on the pump to get it off, I thought that the thin plate behind the pump came off with it. I was wrong, after looking in the book, I find that plate is a cover for the timing chain. I busted the seal on it but the only way to get it off is to pull the harmonic balancer. There is no way to goop silicone on it unless its off. So after thinking about what to do, I decided to just bolt the water pump on and hope for the best. I may get oil and antifreeze mixing if this plate seal leaks. I havent finished it yet, does anybody have any storys related to this plate behind the water pump? Is it a pain to remove and re-gasket? Thanks Brian 77 F250 ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:35:43 -0800 From: "Bill Beyer" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - water pump 351M Just have to pull the balancer like you said and it does seal to the oil pan too. "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets" - ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Vance To: Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 6:26 PM Subject: FTE 61-79 - water pump 351M > Last weekend I bought a new water pump and it came with two gaskets. They > were almost identical but not. While I was prying on the pump to get it > off, I thought that the thin plate behind the pump came off with it. I was > wrong, after looking in the book, I find that plate is a cover for the > timing chain. I busted the seal on it but the only way to get it off is to > pull the harmonic balancer. There is no way to goop silicone on it unless > its off. So after thinking about what to do, I decided to just bolt the > water pump on and hope for the best. I may get oil and antifreeze mixing if > this plate seal leaks. I havent finished it yet, does anybody have any > storys related to this plate behind the water pump? Is it a pain to remove > and re-gasket? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:45:09 -0800 From: Marv Miller Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: A LIL MO' INFO Time to chime in. Marv Miller. Reseda, California. 53 years old. Married. Two dogs. Born in upstate Minnesota, but moved from the farm to North Hollywood in 1951 at age 6. First car a '57 Fairlane 500 2-door hardtop with a 312. Wish I still had it. Worked as a parts "chimp" while going to college with an electronics engineering major. Didn't finish, joining the Air Force instead, where I twisted wrenches in a base motor pool maintenance shop in Nashville, TN for a couple of years. Got REAL well versed in Econolines the likes of Jerry's. Decided to get clean fingernails and ended up as a TV news director for Armed Forces Radio & TV in the Phillipines. It was there that I dropped my first FE oil pump drive rod into the pan of a '58 332. Still remember that. After the service, had a small repair shop, got into Mopars, and had a Chev half ton with a 235, which I scattered all over the freeway. Decided on no more of the General's products. Got back into the electronics biz. Bought a little Pinto wagon 'cause it was "cute", and decided that I really was a Ford kind of guy, after all. Got into desert m/c racing, and needed a truck. Bought a '70 F-250 Camper Special from my dad, that he had bought from my brother, who bought it new. Pinto got turned into an accordian on the San Diego Freeway, and the F-250 was THIRSTY during the first gas crunch in the mid-'70's. Bought a used Kammbach Vega, which I promptly turned into the mosquito control special coming over the Sepulveda Pass sans coolant. This time swore off the General for good. Drove the F-250 until I got married in 1981. Still with her. When you look in the dictionary under SWIMBO, there's her picture! She decided we needed vehicles like Mazdas and Hondas. They have served us very well, I might add. Parked the 'Special under a plum tree in a buddy's construction back-lot. Her son, (I treated him as mine since he was seven), came to me when he was 14 years old, and suggested that the Ford would make a great first "car". I agreed, and told him he had to go through the brake, steering, and suspension systems before he could drive it. We took three years, going through the engine and trans, as well. Body lifted it until it looked like a 4X. He drove it for about four years and bought a 4-Runner. We then took the 390 apart again and filled it with goodies. Dropped it down onto the ground with air bags all around, dropped front I-beams, channeled the cab into the frame about two inches, and stuck a Versailles 9-incher with disks in the rear on a two-link sub-frame. This was about four years ago. He has since moved into his own home, but I look back on those times of working with him with great fondness. He learned a lot about mechanics. I learned a lot about being a father. The F-250 is still parked in my driveway, to my wife's chagrin, and hasn't been fired up in a long while. If he doesn't come and get it soon, I think I'll make him an offer. It'll keep it in the family, and I can't bear to part with it. I was a field engineer for a major avionics company until about six years ago, when I was "surplussed". I now do soils and percolation testing for a geology company, and do home handiman work in my spare time. Getting crankier by the day. Been following this list, in digest mode, for about two and a half years or so. Only Ken knows for sure. Have always read it, no matter how far behind I get, ever since the Deekster showed up at my doorstep and put a representative face (what a face!) to the good people herein. You've always made me feel my comments were welcome. Thanks. -M- Marv Miller mailto:ae722 lafn.org "Striving to be the person that my dog thinks I am". == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 22:16:40 EST From: IanBoss69 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 or 429, that is the question. In a message dated 11/23/99 9:54:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, wish iastate.edu writes: > plus, as someone said, it just sounds cool when you have over 400 > cubic inches :) Accually I said that the entire thing would be cool,,,"propane powered 429 cubic inch big block" but yeah over 400 ci is cool too,,, ;-) Ian 79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M True Blue Ford Blue == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 22:20:34 EST From: IanBoss69 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO......... In a message dated 11/23/99 11:33:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, theodore ford-trucks.com writes: > I have always been Ford faithful, but SWISO (She Who Is > Sometimes Obeyed) is a GM nut. In fact, she drug home a ' 69 GTO the other > day. If I didnt have that part of me that liked pontiacs I'd say "run it over" Ian 79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M True Blue Ford Blue == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 22:33:58 EST From: IanBoss69 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 suspension TTB stuff Speaking of leaf springs,,,,you guys think that late model 1-ton springs would fit a 79 3/4 ton? maybe provide 2-3" of lift so i could fit those 35" tires on without spending 800 bucks on a lift kit? if not late-model then maybe 80-91's? Ian 79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M True Blue Ford Blue == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 22:45:54 EST From: IanBoss69 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO In a message dated 11/23/99 3:13:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, Bad4dFilly aol.com writes: > By the way, it may just be a blonde thing, but what does "SWMBO" stand for??? I think it means "She Who Must Be Obeyed" but i could be wrong,,,, Ian F250 4x4 4spd 351M True Blue Ford Blue == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:50:48 -0800 From: "Hogan, Tom" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tailgates Found this site. You guys looking for unibody tailgates might conntact them and see if they have anything http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pros-pick.com/index2.html Tom H == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:56:45 -0800 (PST) From: canzus seanet.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - A little bout me At 07:41 PM 22:11:99 -0800, Michael J. Platt wrote: >Hello All, >...which brings me to a question.....Will the bellhousing interchange on the 302 and >300? How about the flywheel? Hi Mike; The bellhousing will fit, the flywheel won't, Steve & the Rockette 68 F100, 390cid, FMX 63 F100, 292cid, 3speed 72 Capri 2000, hers 73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in..... 73 MGB GT, Our Toy 94 SHO, SWMBO's 97 Contour, Mine == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:57:09 -0800 (PST) From: canzus seanet.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO......... At 07:33 AM 23:11:99 PST, Don Jones wrote: > Hi! my name is Don Jones. I live in a small town in northern Ontario, >Canada. Which small town?? Sudbury, Timmins, Wawa, Sault St. Marie or further north?? I used to live in the T. O. area, Millikin to be exact.... Spent our summers in the Smith Falls area or Pembroke area, and wintered in T.O. Steve & the Rockette 68 F100, 390cid, FMX 63 F100, 292cid, 3speed 72 Capri 2000, hers 73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in..... 73 MGB GT, Our Toy 94 SHO, SWMBO's 97 Contour, Mine == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:57:24 -0800 (PST) From: canzus seanet.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Shooting out of gear At 01:40 PM 23:11:99 -0500, am14 daimlerchrysler.com wrote: > > >Kory writes: >>But wait, there's more...if I don't double clutch shifting up >into 3rd it grinds every time. > >Sure sign of Syncronizers shot, or clutch not releasing. You're going to have >determine which and if it is the tranny, you'll have to open it up and go >through it. Does it go in 1st gear Ok when you 1st take off???? If it goes in >1st OK from start up, then it will most likely be the syncros. > Okay, heres the test for bad synchros, Shift without using the clutch, if you can shift from 1st, to 2nd, to 3rd, without grinding without using the clutch the clutch is the problem, if it grinds anyway, the synchros are the problem, or properly termed the "blocking rings" are toast.... e-mail me for more of an accurate discription..... Steve & the Rockette 68 F100, 390cid, FMX 63 F100, 292cid, 3speed 72 Capri 2000, hers 73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in..... 73 MGB GT, Our Toy 94 SHO, SWMBO's 97 Contour, Mine == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:57:33 -0800 (PST) From: canzus seanet.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - bio At 11:02 AM 23:11:99 -0800, Dennis Pearson wrote: >Thanks for your message at 01:37 PM 11/23/99 EST, LovBNBad aol.com. Your >message was: >>HI ALL MY NAME IS JAMES ADDONIZIO AND I AM A FORDAHOLIC.BEEN ON THE LIST FOR >>BOUT 4 MONTHS NOW I'M ALSO THE VOYEUR OF THE LIST.45 YRS OLD IN PROCESS OF A > >...gotta get that Caps Lock key fixed... I was wondering why he was shouting...... Steve & the Rockette 68 F100, 390cid, FMX 63 F100, 292cid, 3speed 72 Capri 2000, hers 73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in..... 73 MGB GT, Our Toy 94 SHO, SWMBO's 97 Contour, Mine == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:57:47 -0800 (PST) From: canzus seanet.com Subject: Re:FTE 61-79 - Clutch not quite right At 03:23 PM 23:11:99 -0700, Kiernan, Denny wrote: > >The mechanic looked at it again and assures me that there's nothing to >worry about. BTW did I post what he said about the welding of the >fulcrum? He said they dropped the rivets back in the holes where they >had drilled out the old ones, and then "welded the *#%! out of it. He >says if anything goes wrong with it, he'll eat the truck. > >(Let's see, what would go well with a Ford pick-up? A good Cabernet >Sauvignon?) I think a fine Merlot would be better, or perhaps a Bordeaux? Steve & the Rockette 68 F100, 390cid, FMX 63 F100, 292cid, 3speed 72 Capri 2000, hers 73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in..... 73 MGB GT, Our Toy 94 SHO, SWMBO's 97 Contour, Mine == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 21:54:19 -0700 From: "Bertolin" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 65 F100 & lead additive Sandi wrote: > Roberta, > short story about my truck (to bolster your faith in yours). Sandi, thanks for sharing the story about your truck. I change the oil and check everything regularly just as you do. When I'm not driving it, it's garaged so everything stays protected from the elements. I do have a question about the lead additive. The prior owner (1984-1997) told me he had not added lead additives after they dropped the leaded fuel (a few years locally). My brother didn't seem to think it was a big deal not adding lead so I haven't but I'm getting the impression from some of the recent comments that perhaps I should begin. I'm pretty easy on the engine. The bed stays empty most of the time except for the occasional haul home from the Home Depot and the periodic trips to the local land fill. Any comments/thoughts on this would be appreciated. Thanks, Roberta with 1965 custom cab, original 240 I6. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 23:18:09 -0600 From: "Eric Washburn" Subject: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO......... I guess I'll add to this topic :) I'm 18, live in Azle, TX(near Ft. Worth), drive a '67 F100 Custom Cab(currently primer) with a 240. I listen to Country music and a little bit of Alternative(like Blink182, Offspring, etc), I work in Arlington, and I also go to Weatherford College this year, next year is A&M. I guess that's about it. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 23:23:31 -0600 From: "Eric Washburn" Subject: FTE 61-79 - (doh) A LIL MO' INFO......... I forgot to add that I'm single and have a pesky 16 yr old sister :) She'll kill me if she sees this. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 00:47:45 EST From: SMOKEY5209 aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Pigeon Forge 2000 Can anybody help me out with when Pigeon Forge 2000 will be held and who to contact for more information. Thanks in Advance Ed == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 00:51:11 EST From: GMontgo930 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rancheros, Falcon? In a message dated 11/22/1999 12:34:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, gpeters3 visteon.com writes: > Looks like a 58 something or other....? Wonder what a 78 lincoln would look > like made into a Ranchero....:-) Be a good place to practice my metal > working skills :-) > > -- > Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, > 78 Bronco Loving, Gary > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 > -- Ive got an old article where a guy did this with a 74 Pinto wagon. Made for a real neat looking custom truck for the occasional bail of hay! George == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 22:17:17 PST From: "Don Jones" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO......... >>Which small town?? Sudbury, Timmins, Wawa, Sault St. Marie or further north?? >>I used to live in the T. O. area, Millikin to be exact.... >>Spent our summers in the Smith Falls area or Pembroke area, >>and wintered in T.O. >>Steve & the Rockette 68 F100, 390cid, FMX Its a small town called Thessalon.. midway between Sault Ste Marie and Sudbury on the north shore of Lake Huron Don Jones 1970 f-250 4x4 ~Fordzilla~ ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:25:39 EST From: SHill48337 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - hardened valve seats In a message dated 11/23/99 11:36:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, gpeters3 visteon.com writes: have never seen in print that the lead was "not" used for octane or was not the primary booster ingredient, always the opposite. >> Lead since its invention around 1920 has been added to gasoline only for octane improvement. The engines prior to the use of lead used compression ratios of 4 to 5, not much and they got lousy mileage and little power. They were concerned that petroleum was running out and the Army wanted airplanes with some performance. The thought in those days was, develop an additive to gasoline that would allow the use of 6:1 CR. Planes could carry bigger loads faster, and the Worlds known petroleum reserves would be saved. They started with the knowledge that the heavier metal that you added to gasoline the better knock control you got. It did not take long before they figured out that they needed a compound of lead that would desoIve in the gas. It is a long story how they eventually produced it, took 3 years worth of research by the Federal Government, Standard Oil, and many universities. They added it to gas and it worked wonderfully except that within a very few hours of operation the spark plugs were plated with lead and shorted them selves out. Big problem, can not use lead because the combustion process reduced the Tetra ethyl lead to pure metallic lead that conducts the spark away from the gap. Then they had to invent scavengers that would remove the lead from the combustion chamber. Then the lead that remained in the engine was very very little, not something you could see visually. But, as luck would have it, very very little is just enough to lubricate the valve seats and prevent galling, which was the primary method of valve seat erosion. They tried to get the lead out, but did not succeed and it accidentally helped keep manufacturing costs low for about 60 years. Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:55:47 EST From: SevnD2 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - water pump 351M In a message dated 11/23/1999 9:29:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, vancester hotmail.com writes: were almost identical but not. While I was prying on the pump to get it off, I thought that the thin plate behind the pump came off with it. I was wrong, after looking in the book, I find that plate is a cover for the timing chain. I busted the seal on it but the only way to get it off is to pull the harmonic balancer. I have a 351C and the same plate is on it , so yes you have to take off the balancer and may have to loosen the oil pan to get room for the new gaskets that seal it on the plate ( I did on mine ) . There is good side to taking off the timing plate . You can install a new front seal while your there . Also gives you complete access to the timing chain ! why not put a new one on , or upgrade it to a more durable one ? I know how to spend your money don't I ? LOL I havent finished it yet, does anybody have any storys related to this plate behind the water pump? Is it a pain to remove and re-gasket? >> I don't think it is that hard to do this gasket replacement . I would caution about being very careful to keep trash out of the oil pan while cleaning off the old gasket from the block and oil pan . Hope this helps . Rollie H. Hunt King N.C. 1976 F100 Explorer , 391FT(428 cu in) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 02:04:42 EST From: SevnD2 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Breakfast or lunch? In a message dated 11/23/1999 7:16:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, clukcluk mindspring.com writes: want, just drop me an e-mail off the list and we can see if we can get together. I would like that . I will get in touch . when we meet up, you can tell me if you need anything off the 75 explorer I'm parting out. Now your talkin ! I am sure there are a couple of Items I can use a good replacement for on my 76 Explorer . :-) Rollie H. Hunt King,N.C. 1976 F100 Explorer, 391FT(428 cu in) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 02:44:05 EST From: SevnD2 aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - The Green Dragon story ! Ok Lisa and anyone interested in the story behind the nickname of my green 76 Explorer ! When I first obtained this truck I had some adjustments to make from time to.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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