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61-79-list-digest Monday, November 22 1999 Volume 03 : Number 429



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In this issue:

RE: FTE 61-79 - Bleeding knuckles, mud, snow....
RE: FTE 61-79 - Joint ownership...
RE: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........
RE: FTE 61-79 - heater blower motor removal
RE: FTE 61-79 - Location of Coolant Tank on '78 F250
RE: FTE 61-79 - NO OIL PRESSURE
RE: FTE 61-79 - Yellow Tail Gates....
RE: FTE 61-79 - steering bind
RE: FTE 61-79 - Strangest '72 F-350 4x4 dually I've ever seen!
RE: FTE 61-79 - swaybarS
RE: FTE 61-79 - Upgrade of '78 F250 2WD to 4WD
FTE 61-79 - A Lil Mo Info
RE: FTE 61-79 - 360 for a 429?
FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........
FTE 61-79 - Mod Squad
FTE 61-79 - Re: oil out the dipstick...
RE: FTE 61-79 - swaybarS
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 9"
Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........
FTE 61-79 - RE: How'd you get the red mud off your 66?
FTE 61-79 - Bars Leaks
FTE 61-79 - 390 CAMS
FTE 61-79 - 'Le Monstre'
Re: FTE 61-79 - Yellow Tail Gates....
FTE 61-79 - Ranchero not running too well...
Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 CAMS
RE: FTE 61-79 - Ranchero not running too well...
FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........
Re: FTE 61-79 - Strangest '72 F-350 4x4 dually I've ever seen!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Windshield Replacement
Re: FTE 61-79 - NO OIL PRESSURE
Re: FTE 61-79 - cougar list ?
FTE 61-79 - Found Dana 60 5 lug!!
FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO
Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO..Tony.
FTE 61-79 - "fire" truck
Re: FTE 61-79 - "fire" truck
FTE 61-79 - Biography
Re: FTE 61-79 - Windshield install - how difficult?
FTE 61-79 - Re: A LIL MO' INFO

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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 06:12:48 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Bleeding knuckles, mud, snow....

That's only when you're young :-) As you get older you buy a house and
build a shop....:-) I've worked on many vehicles in the snow, mud, cold,
rain out of necessity. Now that I have two vehicles with plates on them I
only work on them when I feel like it....in a nice, well lit shop, on a two
post hydraulic lift, with my roll around tool box and parts cart at my
finger tips and air tools and.....and...... That's what happens when you
get older and realize you don't really have to suffer to have fun :-) Still
skin my knuckles though but not as often as I used to :-)

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> if you aren't sitting in a puddle of half frozen snow water doing
> driveshaft universals, if your knuckles aren't bleeding, if
> it isn't 4:00am
> and you're putting on old parts that might work- to fix
> broken parts that
> don't work because you need your truck the next day and the
> parts stores
> aren't open, if you aren't so tired you could pass out and
> you've lost all
> feeling in your fingers, and meanwhile all you can think
> about is where you
> put that #^)$!%! wrench down in the dark, THEN YOU AREN'T
> REALLY WORKING
> ON A FORD!!!! 8-)
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 06:40:20 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Joint ownership...

Well that's 4 that are older than me so far....I'm beginning to feel young
again :-)

Aren't we all "Joint" owners of everything in the house? I know virtually
everything in there was bought with money I set aside from my projects to
allow for it :-) (Otherwise I would have a larger shop, more tools, more
trucks.....:-))

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> Here's my contribution. I'm a 54 year old male, married for

> metal working; joint owner with my wife of many Beanie Babies
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 06:43:40 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........

Not only older but more experienced too :-) Just goes to show ya that you
just "Think" you know it all....then comes along someone who really does :-)

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> miles out of Reubens on a farm. 54 years old, gotcha by 1
> Gary. We had
> little money on the farm so we fixed everything ourselves,
> (good experience
> for working on Ford Trucks). Spent 24 years in nuclear
> submarines, besides
> having the reactor and engine room, I had the care and
> feeding of our large
> diesel engines.
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 06:51:02 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - heater blower motor removal

The gasket between the motor flange and firewall is sticky and requires
prying to get it loose the first time. They may even glue it at the
factory, not sure. It's been a long time but I know I have pulled some of
them out the front on trucks.....cars are a whole nuther smoke :-(

That mess on the lincoln came off pretty easy once I found all the hiden
bolts. They have an inner fender which has to be removed to get at two of
the bolts and then the whole thing come out as a unit from the front. There
are fasteners and bolts inside that have to come off too so it's not a
pretty sight.......I love my non air trucks :-)

Got to say though, the lincoln has a really neat way to get the heater core
out from the front :-)

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> Its a 74 F250 custom highboy 4x4 with no air. I tried a
> little bit when
> I first bought the truck in the spring but it didn't want to
> come out by
> just removing the bolts on the fire wall....So I don't know
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 06:55:29 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Location of Coolant Tank on '78 F250

I don't think they came with them stock, neither of mine has one.

Are you sure that's not the wiper washer tank? They are normally on the
driver side, at least on my two they were but could have been moved. Course
if it hooked up to the radiator then......:-)

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> Could any of you all tell me where the Coolant Overflow tank
> is located on
> '78 F250. The one on my truck is zip tied to the battery.
> Also where can i
> get replacement for this tank. Finally where can i get
> replacement door seals
> for this truck. Thank you for your help. Have a Great Thanksgiving.
>
> Robert Bowen
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 07:04:19 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - NO OIL PRESSURE

If your gallery plugs are threaded, try putting the sender in the end of the
block in one of the gallery plug holes. If you get pressure there the pump
is working but there is probably a clog in the oil passage to the sender.
On my 460 the sender in located in the rear and taps in to the cam/lifter
oil gallery.

Are the lifters noisy? If not you are getting pressure to that point at
least. A freshly rebuilt engine can have all manner of teething problems,
however unlikely, such as a little flake of rust settling in a small
passage. Before assembling any engine you should systematically plug holes
and force air through all the passages under pressure and check to see that
they are all free and clear. If in doubt, run a wire in there and clean
them out. Have you tried poking a wire into the passage the sender is
screwed into yet?

I suppose it's possible also that some part of the head gasket blew in such
a way as to allow oil to flow back in to the valley but I'm guessing that
there is even a way for that to happen. Can't picture it exactly in my head
right now.

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> Cam bearing?
>
> > pump and inserted the pick up into a pan of oil and turned
> the pump with a
> > drill motor and oil came squirting out. This engine ran
> for about 100
> miles
> > with oil pressure and then suddenly it disappeared. Any
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 07:12:39 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Yellow Tail Gates....

That's interesting that you would mention yellow for the tail gate :-) I
painted my front Dana 44 with Emron "Canary Yellow" and since I have some
left I plan to paint my new Bronco tail gate with the same paint before
installing it. The rest of the truck will be EB green and tan for the time
being. When I get the sheet metal replaced the whole truck will be "Mustang
Sally"....er I mean Mustang Yellow :-)

Wow! Tons of experience in every avenue of life :-)

BTW, Hold that thought :-)

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> Bad4dFilly aol.com wrote:
>
> > It's a total
> > ranch truck with a blue hood, the cab is white, the bed is
> red and the
>
> That sounds like a good-looking truck. I would paint the tailgate
> yellow, tho.
>
> It takes highly developed taste to appreciate real beauty sometimes.

> cigar smoker, pool player, 68-yr-old grandfather, veteran of
> the Korean
> War and three marriages. I never fooled with cars when I was

> housework (occasionally), and spend most of my time thinking about
> good-looking women.
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 08:04:05 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - steering bind

If I've analyzed the facts correctly it looks like you may have a collapsed
body mount which allows the solidly mounted steering shaft to be forced into
the steering box which is what is deforming the rag joint. Since all other
components are essentially non adjustable this is the most likely cause.
You may be able to alleviate some of this by loosening the 4 mount bolts
under the dash and allowing the column to slide back a bit to relieve the
pressure.

If I understand it, this is deformed even with no steering pressure on it
but if it only occurs when you attempt to turn the wheel you have a serious
binding problem, either in the box or the linkage or the rag joint is not
properly installed. Manual boxes are very easy to work on and bearings used
to be available for them at auto parts stores but you may have to go on the
internet to get them now, not sure.

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> road Wed. for Thanksgiving: my steering column suddenly
> started binding and
> clunking a little and feels generally heavy. The ragjoint is
> now somewhat
> cockeyed and wavy (wasn't that way last week)so I'm guessing
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 08:10:07 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Strangest '72 F-350 4x4 dually I've ever seen!

It appears to have a Chevy front end under it? Otherwise it looks pretty
darned nice for that price I would say :-) A pristeen body, not restored
but in like new condition is worth $3000 all by itself in my book :-) If it
were a standard cab I'd be interested myself :-)

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> You know, I'm not one to do this, but Ya'll gotta see this!!! HAHAHAH
>
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200382050
>
> Notice the differential is on the PASSENGER side!?!?!
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 08:16:46 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - swaybarS

I've never seen a ford I beam with a front sway bar from the factory. Do
they make them? 4x4's have them and I'm sure the broncos with TTB must have
them as an option but just never saw one on a 2wd?

It's on the rear in this case because of anticipated additional top
heavyness due to the camper but normally a rear only sway bar causes
handling problems I'm told. Most applications have them on the front only
or front and rear so there must be a good reason for this?

In 4x4 circles it is not recommended to run on the highway with front
disconnected for better articulation for instance. They recommned either no
sway bars or disconnect the front at the off road site and reconnect before
entering the highway.

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> Hi again!
> Well, this REALLY is my lucky day! Upon checking more thoroughly
> my recently aquired Ford trucks, the F-250 camper-special 2x4 has a
> rear sway-bar!! Now, THAT got me thinking..........
> mmmmmmmmmm.....................MMMMMMMMMMMMM !!
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 08:27:14 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Upgrade of '78 F250 2WD to 4WD

4x4's have a different frame up front with a welded in cross member near the
bumper and no, under engine cross member or mount stancheons. To convert
you have to make up for the loss of a very serious part of the frame
structure or settle for a very weakened 4x4 frame. When I built my van I
cut the bottom out of the cross member and rebuilt it to exactly fit the
punkin, adding some reinforcement here and there, both to maintain lower
ride height and also strength. This made working on the engine a real pain
but it worked very well and handled very well too. I spent 3 months of my
life working on that project, welding stuff in here and cutting stuff out
there until I was satisfied it would work. I could have swapped the body
onto a 4x4 frame in a couple of days :-)

Keep in mind also that the van already had the correct steering system to
match the front tie rod assy of the Dana 44 so other than frame
modifications and lifting the body it was fairly easy to do. Your 2wd truck
has a rear tie rod and the box is on the wrong side of the frame to start
with along with other problems you will run into as you progress.

As others have said, if I had it to do over again I would have searched out
a scrap chassis and rebuilt it and plopped the body onto it rather than
reinvent the wheel. For $400-$600 you can find these all over the place and
it's well worth it IMHO :-)

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> I have a 2WD F250 Extended Cab that is in great shape.
> Powered by 460, C6 AT
> and 4.10 gears. What would I need to find to upgrade this
> truck to 4WD? Right
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 08:58:01 -0500
From: "HARLEY A PUTNAM"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - A Lil Mo Info

Howdy folks, with all the intros going around, I figured I throw my .02
cents worth in as well. My name is Andy Putnam, and I live in Greensboro,
NC. I have been mostly lurking on the list, you all seem to have a gift for
answering my questions before I get a chance to even ask them! I like that,
but it doesn't motivate me to send much mail to the list. I have asked
several questions, and have been given the proper info. I run a small
roofing company, and we have 3 F-100 pick-up trucks that we use every day.
One is a 69 with 302 and three speed, two is a 67 with a 302 and a three
speed, and three is a 72 with a transplanted 429 out of a Mercury station
wagon. I sure wish I had known of this list when that piece of work was
done, as I am still fixing things after the fact that I would have known to
fix in advance had I had this source of information. Things like getting
truck oil pan, other seemingly innocent things that would have made life so
much better. This motor will soon be replaced by a 360 out of a 1975 ford
truck, and you will see much more of me as the rebuild process on the 429 is
started. As for the rest of the info, I'm 42, have lived here all my life,
been married twice, but married life and me don't seem to get along real
well, so am dating, but will probably never marry again. I love salt water
fishing, NASCAR, and tinkering on old trucks and cars. I also have many
other projects besides those three fords that I listed above. They are:
1985 Renault Fuego....Piece of crap, but what the heck for $50.00, I have to
try to bring it back from the dead.
1965 Chebby truck putting a 350 in it and auto trans...will most likely
sell it when it is running
1966 Dod*e A100 van... this will end up as my go fish wagon
1977 Dod*e motor home....almost same as the Renault above...but for $700.00,
I have to try to revive this one.
1987 Dod*e Ramcharger...keeping it for a souvenir, as this will most likely
be the last vehicle I ever buy new
1973 Chebby C50 dump truck....looks like crap, but will haul anything I put
in it....The record load is about 8 tons....so I won't complain about all
the work I have had to do on this ugly truck
have a few other projects, but those above are the main ones that get my
attention now.
If anyone has a get together near Greensboro, I'd love to go and meet some
of the other folks in this area who are on the list. May even try to get to
Pigeon Forge for the truck show one day.

See Ya Soon,
Andy Putnam, alias
The Dirtyman

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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 09:25:12 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 360 for a 429?

If you have a 429 in there already you may have second thoughts about
putting in a 360 since it requires a different tranny, drive shaft, mounts
among other things. You would be better off to look for another of the 385
series, either the 429 or 460 unless you plan on leaving it in it's original
stock configuration once the 360 is installed (72 would have had a 360 I'm
pretty certain).

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> much better. This motor will soon be replaced by a 360 out
> of a 1975 ford
> truck, and you will see much more of me as the rebuild
> process on the 429 is
> started.
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 09:27:28 -0500
From: Jim Knapper
Subject: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........

Hi, everyone. I'm Jim, 42 married with 2 kids, girl 10, boy 8. We live
in southern Ontario. I'm 3rd generation of my family working for Ford. A
partial list of some of the vehicles I've had.. 64 Merc Comet 260 with a
2 spd auto, about 9 67/68 Mustangs, 67 Merc 1/2 ton that started out
with a 240, and went through 3 289s before it gave up completely,
current project is "Milo", a 68 F100 with a 360 (added 600 holley and
Hedman headers). I'm working on a 390 GT for it. I really enjoy reading
the digests, especially when the discussions are about "proper
terminology". I spent 4 years as a technical trainer for Ford, my
experiences taught me to use what ever terms get the point across.


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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 09:54:12 -0800
From: "O'Connor"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Mod Squad

Link/Julie/Pete?
Had the same liesure suit- I think there was only one style sold around the
world.
Tim 66F100
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 09:29:33 -0600
From: "Michael Miller"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: oil out the dipstick...

> Interesting. My only experience with oil out the dipstick is with some of
the Jeep's stepsiblings. Slant Sixes will do this if the PCV is clogged.
Never had this problem with Fords (Obligatory Ford Truck content) or for
that matter other MoPars.
>
> Mike Sealey
> '75 F-150 (390/C6), '99 Windstar (taxicab)
> and multiple non-FoMoCo vehicles...

I checked the PCV valve and it's getting great suction from the vaccume line
it's hooked up to. I'm going to check compression
next to see if it might be a stuck valve, but it runs O.K. as it is
so I doubt it. Engine looks like it sat and got all gummed up(oil
filler hole) but I don't have the time right now to clean it as I'm
sure the pan needs dropped and the sludge removed once I do.

Mike Miller
'69 F-100 stepside (300/C-4)
(please buy me!)

"In the Marines, it takes a college degree to break it and a high
school diploma to fix it!"


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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 07:40:01 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - swaybarS

We had one. A 2wd 76 crew cab. Had a sway bar up front. I think the sway
bars were limited to F-250 and F-350s. My F-150 will have front and rear
bars soon cause I stole er liberated a set from a F-250 at the jun--er--
auto recyclers. The truck was side-swiped or maybe T-boned at the rear
wheel and bent one of the sway bar mounts. :0( Oh well. I'll either
straighten the one I have or find another one.

The front sway bar connects to the beam with a bracket the mounts under the
coil spring.

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From: Peters, Gary (G.R.) [mailto:gpeters3 visteon.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 1999 5:17 AM
To: '61-79-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - swaybarS


I've never seen a ford I beam with a front sway bar from the factory. Do
they make them? 4x4's have them and I'm sure the broncos with TTB must have
them as an option but just never saw one on a 2wd?

It's on the rear in this case because of anticipated additional top
heavyness due to the camper but normally a rear only sway bar causes
handling problems I'm told. Most applications have them on the front only
or front and rear so there must be a good reason for this?

In 4x4 circles it is not recommended to run on the highway with front
disconnected for better articulation for instance. They recommned either no
sway bars or disconnect the front at the off road site and reconnect before
entering the highway.

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> Hi again!
> Well, this REALLY is my lucky day! Upon checking more thoroughly
> my recently aquired Ford trucks, the F-250 camper-special 2x4 has a
> rear sway-bar!! Now, THAT got me thinking..........
> mmmmmmmmmm.....................MMMMMMMMMMMMM !!
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 08:16:16 -0800 (PST)
From: canzus seanet.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 9"

At 08:19 AM 20:11:99 -0600, Danny Ling wrote:
>Be carefull when searching wrecking yards. The Ford has another rear
>axle that looks almost identicle to the 9" (I think it's the 8.8") It
>too has a removable third member (center section) just like the 9" I
>read in one of my Four Wheeler mags on how to distinguish them apart
>visualy but I need to look for the issue in my stack to find it again.


The 8.8 has a rear cover, the 8" is very similar to the 9", but there
is a method of telling the two apart, tale a 9/16 socket with an extention
with you, if you can get the socket on all the bolts *SQUARELY*, it's
an 8", if not, its a 9".

If you don't unnerstan this hint, e-mail me.....

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
97 Contour, Mine

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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 08:16:17 -0800 (PST)
From: canzus seanet.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........

At 07:13 PM 19:11:99 -0800, Bill Beyer wrote:
>Ok...Ok...

Ya sure ya betcha,
I like Bill's format...


FULL NAME: Steve Leitch, AKA: "You're the goddam genius"
BIRTHPLACE:Whakatane, NZ
HOMETOWN: Ocean Shores, WA
CROUTONS OR BACON BITS: Bacon bits
FAVORITE SALAD DRESSING: I don't do salads
DO YOU DRINK? Yes
DRINK WHAT? Beer, Beer, Beer and Coffee...did I mention Beer?
HAVE HAD YOUR APPENDIX AND TONSILS REMOVED? Nope...
SHAMPOO OR CONDITIONER: I got most of Bill's hair, I takes about 24 hours
to dry
if I tie it up
right away. I don't use conditioner....
HAVE YOU EVER GONE SKINNY-DIPPING: An scare all the little fish??
HAVE YOU EVER BEEN CONVICTED OF A CRIME: Yep
BEST ON-LINE FRIENDS: C'mon I'm not that pathetic!
ONE PILLOW OR TWO: 2
PETS: Cat, that steals things.
FAVORITE TYPES OF MUSIC: Anything but new or old country. Gotta be Rock 'n'
Roll
DREAM CAR: Too many to list....
TYPE OF CAR YOU DRIVE NOW: '68 F100, 390 2V Dual Exhaust, '97 Contour 2L,
5 Speed
FAVORITE TOOTHPASTE: Crest
FAVORITE FOOD: Vegemite 'n' Cheese sammiches...
DO YOU GET ALONG WITH YOUR PARENT(S):Yep
FAVORITE PLACE TO VISIT: Zekesville, Wa
FAVORITE ICE CREAM: French Vanilla
FAVORITE SOFT DRINK: Beer
FAVORITE TYPE OF FAMILY GAME TO PLAY: Fastpitch softball
WHAT IS YOUR BAD TIME OF DAY: The drive home...
FAVORITE TIME OF YEAR: Dead of winter, lots of storms at the beach...
ADIDAS, NIKE, OR REEBOK: Reebok
FAVORITE PERFUME OR COLOGNE: You ever known a mechanic who wears perfume??
FAVORITE SUBJECT IN SCHOOL: Machine shop
LEAST FAVORITE SUBJECT: Any other
FAVORITE TV SHOW: TV? whats that?
FAVORITE MOVIE OF ALL TIME: Bullit
FAVORITE BOOK OF ALL TIME: Needful Things, Stephen King...
FAVORITE SPORT TO WATCH: Hockey
ANYTHING "DIFFERENT" ABOUT YOU: I enjoy cooking??
>
>"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"
>

Yeah, what he said!!

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
97 Contour, Mine

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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 08:38:35 -0800
From: CLAUDE JONES
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: How'd you get the red mud off your 66?

Burt,
I finally had to sand down the entire truck and paint it :o) LoL.

Get this folks, I had been running my '66 around for about 5 years with
just primer, and while there on Guam decided it was time to try some
paint (do to red mud lol ). Checked out abunch of shop there and I mean
there is a bunch, seeing how they average 30 wrecks a day on a 8 x 32
mile island! haha well they price everything out of this world there as
Burt H. knows and I decided why not paint it by rattle can! Yep I said
rattle can! You should have seen the look on the guy's face down at the
Napa store when I bought a case of white and a case of Ford blue spray
paint and told him I was painting my truck with it! haha Did the bed
first, sanded it on saturday and painted it on sunday. Had to go back 2
weeks later to get a case of each again, had to wait for them to order
more from the mainland haha, plus it gave me time to do a little putty
work and priming on the front half. Anyway when done drove down to the
store to show the guys as they had expressed an interest in seeing it
when done, they couldn't believe how well it turned out! Heck! I was
Impressed! haha Well it's still on and does look pretty good. I also
painted the inside of the bed and complete frame with rust-o-lemum(is
that right?) gloss black. All this because Guam's rainfall is like
100-150 inches a year and the humidaity(now I know that's wrong lol) is
around 85-100 year round. Everything rusts very very fast.

On a different note does anyone know were I could find the plastic piece
that goes inside the ford f250 emblem on the front fenders. They say
Camper Special or do I have to have them made up?

C.Jones aka gizmo
'66 F250
'70 Mustang


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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 09:29:54 PST
From: "Don Jones"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bars Leaks

If you used "ANY" "Bars leaks" in that radiator it
>has clogged the heater core. If you ever want to win a sure bet, bet on a
>clogged heater core after using bars leaks. You'll win every time (unless
>it's your heater core):-)

I just got finished changing a leaky frost plug that the PO had apparently
"fixed" with Bars leaks.
The stuff was about an inch deep in the bottom of the water jacket and
completely plugged the coolant drain plugs. What a mess!!. i spent most of
the afternoon flushing out the block. I hope i didnt just stir things up,
but i guess i'll find out.
The ironic part of it is that he probbably spent more on goop to dump into
the rad than a new frost plug and a few minutes underneath would have
taken..
One other PO "feature" i noticed while i was under there was t-case mounts
made out of hockey pucks. I dont know how long they have been there, but
they seem to be in good condition.
Does anyone have an opinion on rust proofing?. I just crawled under with a
spray gun and sprayed everything except the exhaust and brakes with light
oil.(used refrigeration compressor oil) It drips all over and is really
messy for quite a while. anyone use anything different?

Don Jones
1970 f-250 4x4 ~fordzilla~

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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 08:29:48 -0900 (AKST)
From: secundus gci.net (mathew schumacher)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 390 CAMS

FE Guys,

I am looking at getting a new cam for my rebuilt 390. I would like
something a little bit more powerful than a standard RV cam because I
like to get into it, but I don't want to sacrifice to much idle.
Something that sounds nice. :)

Here are the cams that I have been looking at, tell me what you think:

"http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.cranecams.com/master/apps/ford44.htm#3. PowerMax"

and

"http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.cranecams.com/master/apps/ford45.htm#9. Energizer"


I plan on buying a new set of lifters and a set of push rods as well. I
don't think I can afford to buy the adjustable FE rockers at the same
time, but I will probably upgrade later on.

Oh, also what sanderson headers do I need to buy for a 76 F-150 4x4? I
don't want to do to much exhaust hacking, so I want shorties.

Thanks

schu



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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 09:32:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Ballinger
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 'Le Monstre'

>This 428 disco motor fired up today under Good Ol'
>Dave R.'s
>supervision......he knew what was going on even if it
>isn't an M
>Block.....

Congratulations on bringing to life of 'le monstre'

I have now enmired myself in the "project." I have
taken on my 390 of highly sentimental value and will
be looking for emotional support and psyciatric
advice.

WAY TO GO!!!
__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 12:51:12 EST
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Yellow Tail Gates....

I once dated a guy who had an awesome orangey-yellow '78 D*dge and the
tailgate was striped yellow and black like a road hazard sign or somethin. It
was pretty cool lookin, very original LOL

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~SIlly boys...truck are for GIRLS~*~
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 18:02:35 +0100
From: Dennis Harris Nielsen
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ranchero not running too well...

Hi all,

Thanks to everyone who responded to my questions about the Ranchero.

I've been working on it today, and there are a few details I would like some
comments on. I was not aware at first, but apparently the car has not been
running for 2 years.

I could not get it to run properly, since I do not know how to adjust the
ignigition timing and the housing was loose on the shaft. Does anyone have
details on this procedure?
Also, although I did get it to run for a short period, there ssems to be a lot
of pressure in the cooling system; it hisses and splutters up the filler cap -
I still suspect a blown top gasket.

The gearbox is strange. When I first got it started, it moved backwards
despite
being in neutral, and it did not seem to engage in drive. Any ideas?

Regarding restoration: The chassis is pretty rusty, and I need a new left
door.
Is it worth removing the body from the chassis and having the frame blasted
and
powder coated? Or should I just fix the rust in the body and leave the frame
alone?


Thanks,

Dennis
74 Ranchero 302

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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 12:15:41 -0600
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 CAMS

Matt, Both the 272 cams loog like they'd be able performers, along with
being pretty streetable. Both will work with compression ratios that can
be used on the street without having to buy octane boosters and/or
racing fuel. Be advised you might need to get some matching springs to
handle the added load and lift of the cam. In addition, you might want
to replace your aluminum rocker shaft stands with cast iron versions
that were available on both the 406 and 427 low riser. They'll hold your
rocker shaft more firmly than the aluminum ones. good luck with your
selection and keep us posted!

Jason

mathew schumacher wrote:
>
> FE Guys,
>
> I am looking at getting a new cam for my rebuilt 390. I would like
> something a little bit more powerful than a standard RV cam because I
> like to get into it, but I don't want to sacrifice to much idle.
> Something that sounds nice. :)

>
> Thanks
>
> schu
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 13:48:26 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Ranchero not running too well...

Poor timing will cause it to over heat but if it's doing this while cold
then you may be right about the blown gasket.

The distrubutor should have a clamp which bolts to the block with one bolt.
If this bolt is loose it will turn. If it's tight and it still turns you
have a problem. If the shaft turns by hand more than a few degrees (under
spring pressure) then you have a problem. It may have a sheared drive gear
pin.

Pull the passenger side, front spark plug and rotate the engine untill you
feel pressure building in the cylinder (I usually use my thumb to block the
hole) then look at the timing marks on the front damper and line them up at
about 8 degrees before Top Dead Center. You can use a screw driver in the
start relay or use a socket on the front damper bolt (make sure ignition is
off) or a remote start switch if you happen to have one. I made one out of
an extension cord, after market horn button and some allegator clips. Don't
move the engine once that is done. Now take the cap off the dizzy and look
at the rotor (plastic thing on the shaft) and notice if it is pointing where
the plug wire to that cylinder would be if the cap were mounted. It should
be close. If not the pin could be sheared, the timing chain could have
jumped or someone simply was messing with it and left it out of position.
If it's close you can static time it by loosening the clamp, turn the
ignition on and rotate the dizzy counter counterclockwise untill the points
close then clockwise untill they "just" begin to open. With key on you will
see and hear the spark so can set it very accurately. If when you tighten
the clamp the points are continuously arcing it is perfect but turn the key
off right away so you don't burn the points.

Before doing this step you should adjust the point gap, though, so you don't
have to mess it up later. Gap it at about 0.0017-0.025" and it will get you
going. The gap determines the dwell so is critical to good performance but
to get it going this will suffice. V8 gap will be less than 4 or 6. As
long as you have "A" gap and the points "do" close all the way at some point
it will run.

Disconnect the shift link at the transmission and manually determine where
Park is. If this is a retrofit engine/tranny the linkage could be reversed
otherwise it is probably low on fluid. Do not try to run this while
standing in front of it untill you verify the shifter is actually doing what
it's supposed to be doing. Some applications use a bell crank and reverse
the lever direction.

If you have the money, by all means do it right. The frame is the
foundation of the whole truck after all :-) I'm sure I speak for everyone
on this list when I say I would Love to be able to do that to all of mine
:-)

- --
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167
- --

> I could not get it to run properly, since I do not know how
> to adjust the
> ignigition timing and the housing was loose on the shaft.
> Does anyone have
> details on this procedure?

> The gearbox is strange. When I first got it started, it moved
> backwards
> despite
> being in neutral, and it did not seem to engage in drive. Any ideas?
>
> Is it worth removing the body from the chassis and having the
> frame blasted
> and
> powder coated? Or should I just fix the rust in the body and
> leave the frame
> alone?
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 13:54:45 -0500
From: William King
Subject: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........

I'll jump in, but as usual I'm a bit late. My name's Bill King,
I'm a 30 yo college professor in western Ohio and I've been on the
list for almost 2 years (mostly as a lurker). I'm on digest mode,
so most of the easy questions are already answered by the time I
get to read them. I used to live in Massachusetts (Framingham and
Lowell), where I had one of the best jobs ever; working in an auto-
junkyard to pay for college. I loved being around all the cars,
parts, tools, and operating heavy equipment (scooping up a car with
a front-end loader is quite a hoot). I definitely fall into Tony
Marino's description of a red-neck nerd. Sadly, I moved to Cincinnati
for a long period of "non-hot-roded-ness" (called grad school), and
now that I'm finally settled again I'm enjoying working on cars/trucks/
motorcycles again. I finally have a garage to work in!!
My current rides are my pride and joy 1968 Torino GT fastback (429
4v, Toploader, etc) I built in highschool. My FTE content is my 68
F100 2wd, 360, 4 speed. The truck's pretty ratty looking (I use it
mainly as daily transpo and hauling stuff), but I've added cloth bucket
seats from a T*oyota MR2, a Toploader 4 speed, a 20 gallon Ch*vy gas tank,
and front sway-bar. Nothing fancy, but it gets me around and hauled
my Torino from Boston this summer. Can't ask for much more than that.

Thanks to everyone on the list, b/c I've learned so much from all of you
and had so many good laughs. I wish I could contribute more...
Ohio Bill
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 12:26:32 -0800
From: "Mike Sealey"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Strangest '72 F-350 4x4 dually I've ever seen!

On Sun, 21 Nov 1999 01:47:35 Tony Marino wrote:

>You know, I'm not one to do this, but Ya'll gotta see this!!! HAHAHAH
>
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200382050
>
>Notice the differential is on the PASSENGER side!?!?!

I didn't see any frame reinforcement. Think it's ever been offroad since its conversion? (Now that IS scary...)

Mike Sealey
'75 F-150 (390/C6), '99 Windstar (taxicab)
and multiple non-FoMoCo vehicles...


Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.angelfire.com
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 16:42:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Daniel DiMartino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Windshield Replacement

tim:

in the aircraft business we use a variety of tools for just this
type of seal/windcscreen installations, the most simple being a
modified screwdriver with the tip bent 90 degrees and maybe a
"V" cut to guide the seal onto the glass. don't use them on my
current platform but they weren't too complex. a little
creative imagination and a welder and you could have a new form
of income.

=====
Daniel DiMartino

1968 F-250 soon to be a 4x4
__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 20:30:31 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - NO OIL PRESSURE

In a message dated 11/21/99 1:06:36 AM Eastern Standard Time,
us5zahns earthlink.net writes:


this oil could be going (leaking back into the pan) or what could be
plugged so that it doesn't get to the sending unit? I hooked up a
mechanical gauge and no oil comes out the tubing either. If I remove the
sending unit a little will drizzle out but not under pressure >>

There are several things that this could be, if you follow this you will find
the problem:
1. First check the oil pump relief valve, pay particular attention to the
disk, make sure it moves freely and no trash between the disk and seat. You
will have to remove the spring to do this. Next make sure the spring is not
bent or broken and that all the coils look even. There is a high probability
this is where your problem is.
2. Oil filters can come a part and restrict flow. (This a low probability of
being the problem.).
3. There are 4 plugs inside the engine in the oil gallery that screw in, 2
in the front behind the timing chain, and 2 in aft valley section of the
block where the left and right galleries are crossconnected. There are 3
more plugs but they are on the outside of the engine. If one of the inter
plugs has vibrated out this could also be the cause. (This too is a high
probability since the engine is new and the plugs may not have been installed
correctly).

Unless the block is cracked or broken it is one of the above. Good Luck
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 08:24:26 -0800
From: "Jerry Godsey"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - cougar list ?

Sorry, that list is basically for cars from 67-73. However, they are
starting a new list for the 74 and later crowd. I will check into it and
get back to you.
Blessings,
Jerry Godsey
- -----Original Message-----
From: Serian
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, November 19, 1999 4:30 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - cougar list ?


>> The Cougar list of which I am still a part (they let me stay even though
I
>> traded my Cougar for my Econoline!),
>
>Is a Montego close enough to a Cougar to sign up ? ;-)
>from at least '73 - '76, they are practically the same car
>with different emblems and options packages.
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 22:03:15 EST
From: FORDTRKNUT aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Found Dana 60 5 lug!!

Hey guys & gals!!! I found a Dana 60 rear from a 1970-1972 F-100 4x4. It
not a full floter rear, its a semi floater as they call it. I did not buy
it, but thought someone on the list could use it. I went to "Harrys
U-Pull-It" in West Hazelton, PA. I do not have the phone number there, but
they are open 7 days a week. Usually they open at 8:00am and close at
4:00pm. Juts call 411 for info on the phone number. I picked up a Dana 44
front axel out of a 1979 F-250 for $40.00 (plus $12.00 for core charges on
the rotors). They have great prices, and a real neat & organized yard. If
you need any information...just ask!!! Wayne Grabley
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 21:00:23 -0600
From: "Bob & Becky Elliott"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO

My names is Bob Elliott and at the present my wife & I live in the Panhandle
of Olkhoma. When we moved here from Northern Wis, they told me we lived in
the middle of the best fishing area. 300 miles to any of it. I started out
driving a 1947 C**Y 1 ton panel, changed to a 48 1 ton Dodge, then went to a
63 Fairlane 500 when I got home from Vietnam. I've worked for phone
Companys both in Wis & here in Olk. I install & maintain multiline business
systems in schools, banks,etc. We've been married 33 years, have 2 kids. Son
is 21 & in the 82nd Airborne at Ft.
Bragg, NC. Daughter is married and lives down by Dallas, Tx. so we don't
get to see our 18 mo
Grandson to often. I have a 79 F250 crewcab short bed for pulling the
camper, a 79 F150 4X4 supercab waiting to be fixed up as a Med Duty work
truck. 3/4 T axles, 5sp, 3sp& detached 205 with at least to winches. (I'm
getting to old to be using a come a long to load truck carriers).Also have a
76 4X2 F250, 67 4X2 250, 63 F700, & 72 F500 plus a few other misc. Lucklily
I have friends with farms with spare room. Hobbies/projects- Photography,
camping, boating, shooting,
and house remodeling. Bob

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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 22:45:40 EST
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO..Tony.

accually tony you sent that at 4:14 not 4:00


Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M
True Blue Ford Blue
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 22:55:55 EST
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - "fire" truck

alright, im on my break at work listening to my radio in the parking lot and
my buddy turns to me and says " I smell something burning" I told him he was
crazy then noticed the grey smoke coming from my heater vents in the dash...
this is about the time i turned the radio off and jerked it out of the
dash...still smokin.....i turn the key off and procede to very calmly take
apart the dash ( Calmly HA yeah right ) the smoke stops by the time i get it
apart,,,,so we turn the key back on,,,see smoke within 30 seconds coming from
the ignition switch area,,,,i reached and grabbed the taped wired bundle to
move it for a better view,,,whatta know the tape melts to my fingers,,,guess
it wasnt the ignition switch, huh? so we turn it off again, slice the tape
open about a foot exposing the some trillion wires inside,,,,,turn the truck
back on and feel the wires,,,we both got burnt this time,,,how stupid are we?
anyways, a big pink and gray wire was getting really hot when the key was
on,,,,i have yet to find out what this wire goes to,,,,,we messed around for
another 15 minutes,,then disconnected the battery and went back to work,,came
out some 4 hours later,,,,started the truck, drove it home with no dash board
and holding on to the wire to make sure it didnt get hot again,,,,it
didnt,,,,,,does my truck hate me and want a new owner or what???? any ideas?

Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M (One Color--white)
True Blue Ford Blue
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 23:10:48 -0500
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - "fire" truck

Your truck hates you, you must give it to me immediately! 8-)

Seriously though-- I had this same problem with a short in my ignition
switch, and yes, just like yourself didn't listen to my momma when she
taught me what "hot" meant, and immediatly reached under the dash to unplug
the "smoking" mass of plastic polymer goo. To this day, that bundle of
wires still has my fingerprints melted into the insulation of the wires.. 8-)

Tony
tony greenman-systems.com



At 10:55 PM 11/21/99 -0500, you wrote:
>alright, im on my break at work listening to my radio in the parking lot and
>my buddy turns to me and says " I smell something burning" I told him he
was
>crazy then noticed the grey smoke coming from my heater vents in the dash...
>this is about the time i turned the radio off and jerked it out of the
>dash...still smokin.....i turn the key off and procede to very calmly take
>apart the dash ( Calmly HA yeah right ) the smoke stops by the time i get it
>apart,,,,so we turn the key back on,,,see smoke within 30 seconds coming
from
>the ignition switch area,,,,i reached and grabbed the taped wired bundle to
>move it for a better view,,,whatta know the tape melts to my fingers,,,guess
>it wasnt the ignition switch, huh? so we turn it off again, slice the tape
>open about a foot exposing the some trillion wires inside,,,,,turn the truck
>back on and feel the wires,,,we both got burnt this time,,,how stupid are
we?
> anyways, a big pink and gray wire was getting really hot when the key was
>on,,,,i have yet to find out what this wire goes to,,,,,we messed around for
>another 15 minutes,,then disconnected the battery and went back to
work,,came
>out some 4 hours later,,,,started the truck, drove it home with no dash
board
>and holding on to the wire to make sure it didnt get hot again,,,,it
>didnt,,,,,,does my truck hate me and want a new owner or what???? any ideas?
>
>Ian
>79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M (One Color--white)
>True Blue Ford Blue
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 23:42:55 EST
From: Spike188 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Biography

I've enjoyed reading the biographies. Here's mine, its all accurate...as far
as you know.
My name's Rob Merrifield, 35 yrs old, married, two kids (boy 5 and girl 2)
one yellow lab, and a 67 F100. Nickname is Spike, (due to an unfortunate
hairstyle choice many years ago.)
I'm a Police Officer and have been been for about 12 years. Live in Chico
California which is located about an hour and a half north of Sacramento, in
the foothills near the end of the valley. Hot in the summer, mild in the
winter.
I've always wanted an old pickup like the one my dad had for years when I was
a kid. Several months ago, I found the one I was looking for. Its a
shortbed styleside, F100 custom cab, with a 352 and "springtime yellow"
paint. Having a great time getting it fixed up. Trying to keep it all
looking as stock as possible. I'm lousy with tools, (I can barely fix a
sandwich) but I'm getting there. When I got her, she had a rusted out bed,
so I bought a 70 for parts and swapped the bed from it to the 67. Got it
repainted recently. Looks great. Like all old Ford owners, I'm riding tall
and proud in the saddle, feeling sorry for all the poor folks who dont have
one.
Enjoy reading the list and I have learned alot from it. Glad to see some of
the folks getting together to show off their rides. Great idea with the
biographies.
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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 00:06:40 EST
From: SevnD2 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Windshield install - how difficult?

In a message dated 11/19/1999 1:08:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
haring fedora.net writes:


this personally, please let me know honestly how difficut it was. I could
imagine it either way.

I have helped my Dad do some of these and I can tell you it is so easy to
break one !
You need a new rubber gasket first , but if you have to try it with the old
one get some silicone spray lubricant and soak the gasket completely with it
. Should spray a new gasket with the silicone also . I was only 15 when I did
this so bear with me .
I remember we put the gasket around the windshield ( without the locking bead
installed if it is that type ) and tied twine around the outside of the
gasket where it sits in the windshield frame ( loosely ).You need to leave a
tail hanging out to pull from the inside of the vehicle . We then sat the
bottom of the windshield with gasket into the bottom of the window frame and
let it lay back on the opening making sure to have it even on both sides .
This is where you can break the windshield . You have to tap on the
windshield with an open palm ( gently ) until you get some movement down into
the opening . It takes someone with experience showing how this is done
before you really can understand this procedure . When you get some of the
gasket showing to be coming into position on the inside then you need to
start pulling on the string to get the gasket lip around the opening lip .
All of this is kind of touch and go until you have everything even . Dont
even try to push one end in while the other end isn't moving . I have seen it
done enough to know these windshields will break under very little stress !
Keep pulling the string and tapping evenly until you have a good flush look
on the outside . If you have the beadlock type of gasket then you will need
an installation tool which isn't very expensive , but here again I think it
will be hard to tell you without showing how to put the lock into place . Let
me know which kind you have and we can go from there .

can't help but think that I'd rather spend $50 on
Christmas gifts than on window installation, but I know it's probably much
easier letting the shop do it >>
I would really recommend you getting someone with some experience help you
install it . I know for a fact you can get one of these glass installers to
do one for you on the side . Just use some bartering or whatever might be of
value to him or her . My dad would in a second for a favor and a six pack !
:-)
I would feel bad to know I misled you about the procedures and you broke
your windshield . It has been 20 years since I saw one of these up close , so
I may have forgotten something !
Hope this helps .
Rollie H. Hunt
King,N.C.
1976 F100 Explorer , 391FT(428ci)
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 23:56:32 -0600
From: Brett L Habben
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: A LIL MO' INFO

Howdy,
Somewhat new to the list, I don't exactly know when to pipe in or shut
up. My name is Brett Habben, and I'm divorced 39 yr old former
Minnesota farmboy turned Texas Office of the Attorney General system
analyst. Well, there was alot of territory covered in between, "high....


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