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61-79-list-digest Saturday, November 20 1999 Volume 03 : Number 427



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In this issue:

RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Econoline taillights
FTE 61-79 - Ford Power - was:Prolonging life in old trucks.
FTE 61-79 - Windshield Replacement
FTE 61-79 - Re: 9"
RE: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........
RE: FTE 61-79 - Cab Replacement II
Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Econoline taillights
RE: FTE 61-79 - Steering
Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........
Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 9"
FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford Rancheros
FTE 61-79 - (no subject)
RE: FTE 61-79 - Heater not working
FTE 61-79 - FE Rocker Arm Conversion
RE: FTE 61-79 - Spoiled??? Never! :-)
Re: FTE 61-79 - Heater not working
FTE 61-79 - Stu's Engine Firing? Little Mo info???
FTE 61-79 - CHERRY 71 FOR SALE!
FTE 61-79 - 4 inner fenders installed ready for winter
RE: FTE 61-79 - Max tire/rim size
RE: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........
FTE 61-79 - Re: A LIL MO' INFO.........
RE: FTE 61-79 - Heater not working
RE: FTE 61-79 - Stu's Engine Firing? Little Mo info???
FTE 61-79 - stang headers
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Steve & the Rockette's reply
Re: FTE 61-79 - Bashing backlash apology
Re: FTE 61-79 - Spoiled??? Never! :-)
Re: FTE 61-79 - Heater not working
FTE 61-79 - oil leak
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:Valves v. Rings, '75 390
FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO: A SUCCESS!
RE: FTE 61-79 - Spoiled??? Never! :-)
RE: FTE 61-79 - oil leak
Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........
Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' (accurate) INFO
Re: FTE 61-79 - stang headers
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rancheros, Falcon?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Spoiled??? Never! :-)
RE: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' (accurate) INFO
RE: FTE 61-79 - Spoiled??? Never! :-)
FTE 61-79 - heater blower motor removal

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 07:29:19 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Econoline taillights

You should spend the money for a forstner or sheet metal bit for this job.
Step drilling will only cause it to break more easily because the drill will
screw itself into the hole already there. You can not control the feed in
such a situation unless you have a mill or drill press with a power feed or
are very skilled with the use of a standard drill press and have a good way
to secure the lense without breaking it.

All twist drills are made to cut with considerable resistance and are
designed to cut metal not plastic. You could try flatening the face of the
drill lips so it cuts like a cast iron bit and "Peels" the material off but
you need to know what you are doing to make this point work correctly. You
hold the drill so that the face of the cutting edge is against the side of
the grinding wheel and the corner of the wheel is lined up with the center
so that you get an even flat surface which touches the center and the outer
edge at the same time. You can give this edge either a positive rake or
negative rake depending on the material you are working with. I would
recommend a moderate flat, maybe .060" wide with zero rake (Flat face
parallel with the axis of the drill) for plastic. When you do this you can
also thin the web or point so there is less resistance or pushing in the
center which helps on plastic or thin material of any kind also.

What this does is prevent the drill from screwing itself into the plastic
and camming it appart, breaking it but you still have to be carefull not to
get impatient. Use light pressure and take your time, let it cut, don't
force it.

BTW, this is also the best drill for plexiglass which shatters if you just
think about drilling it :-)

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> 15/16 is a darn big hole for that lens. I would start very
> small and work
> your way up to bigger bits. I've never drilled a lens before, but my
> impression is that they are very brittle plastic. Perhaps
> someone knows of
> a better way to make a hole (heated dowel? etc).
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 05:55:55 -0800
From: MC
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ford Power - was:Prolonging life in old trucks.

Hi guys. I just had to add my own "Ford Power" story here. Last weekend, I had
to tow a friends '89 Taurus wagon down the freeway about 50 miles. About half
way between here and there is a certain hill that has just been killing me in my
'94 T*yota 4Dogger(I climb this hill every day on my way to work). This is with
just me and 2 other guys in the truck with no load, and towing nothing. Losing
almost 10 mph before I reach the top. Well, we put the car on a tow dolly,
hooked it to my '76 F150 (390/NP435/4x4/bed full of old roofing material) and
took off. Me, my buddy, and his wife. I kept it kind of slow, cause I wasn't
used to the tow dolly and the car back there, but by the time I got to this
hill, everything was going smooth. I expected to get passed by everyone on that
hill, but actually wound up moving over and passing most of them 'cause I didn't
want to slow down. God, I love having power! If it wasn't for carpooling, and
the fact that the 'yota gets better mileage (100+ miles, round trip), I would
drive my truck to work all the time!


GMontgo930 aol.com wrote:

> I agree. Gotta love em. The wildest sight I ever saw speaking of hauling was
> with my old Red & White '73 F100. Had some troubles and needed a tow for 50
> miles back to the home. Got my buddy to pull me (with tow bar from u-haul)
> with his Red & White 75 F100. What a color coordinated match. Wish I had a
> camera to capture the looks as we went down the freeway!




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Matt Cozad
When everything's coming your way, you're in the wrong lane.

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 09:04:12 -0800
From: "O'Connor"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Windshield Replacement

Gang,
A neighbor of mine ran a juck yard and I overheard him talking at a back
yark party one time. He mentioned a tool that he used that you traced
around the glass that tucked the glass into the seal. He remarked that it
was usually an easy job to put the new glass in. Maybe someone on the list
can elaborate. Has anyone looked in a shop manual? I think there in no
reason that all the guys and gals on this list can't be an expert
windshield tech. We are FTE.

Just a side note: When I had my 79 Flair side, my door window would not go
up with out tilting and stalling. It was still under warranty and the
service manager at the Ford dealer said there was no way to adjust it and I
needed a new door. I took it apart and performed a simple adjustment and
it worked fine from there on. When I told the dealer that I adjusted it,
he wanted to know what I did and I told him I wanted paid for doing his job
for him. He didn't and I didn't. Some time even the dealers can learn
from us! we are FTE.

Tim 66F100
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 08:19:07 -0600 (CST)
From: Rubberducky23 webtv.net (Danny Ling)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 9"

Be carefull when searching wrecking yards. The Ford has another rear
axle that looks almost identicle to the 9" (I think it's the 8.8") It
too has a removable third member (center section) just like the 9" I
read in one of my Four Wheeler mags on how to distinguish them apart
visualy but I need to look for the issue in my stack to find it again.

Laters, Danny Ling

(pre 77 1/2) 77 F250 Highboy 4X4, 1969 429 Thunder Jet

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 09:27:24 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........

Notice only the guys wrote back with ages.....except Lisa who has nothing to
fear from her age at this point :-) I've been on this list almost from the
beginning and in spite of knowing it all :-):-), I've learned a lot from the
gang. I'm a much better mechanic now than when I first came to this list
and appreciate all the help I've received so try to respond to any posts
where I believe I can help. It's fun to watch others grow in understanding
:-)

My name is really Gary and I really do jump Michigan pot holes, every day.
I'm a 53 year, set in my ways, bull headed but humble old man who has always
had but one.....well, ok there was another one but it's gone now.....dream,
to build the hot rod which has my personality stamped all over it. First it
was sports cars, I always wanted (still do) an XKE Jag with V-12, DOHC
engine. First time I saw Rock Hudson untwist his frame out of one of those
(in "Tiger Tiger" I believe) I knew I could fit in there too :-) Then it
was vans, fancy, plush camper or just cruiser vans and now it's 4x4's and to
date I have never really even come close to realizing my dream (any of the
above). I still toy with the idea of building another 4x4 van but it's on
the back burner along with almost all my other projects so I satisfy myself
with playing with the bronco, building workshops, adding to my tool chest
and treasure pile of replacement parts for my trucks and trying to find nice
things to do with my family without breaking the bank. In the past I have
owned a 67 F-100, 68 F-100, 73 E-300, 62 F-600 Cab over, 65 Scout pickup
(teeny little thing), 75 E-150 (converted to 4x4 by me), 78 F-150 (now has
460 in it and originally was my father's), 78 Bronco and a slew of other
Ford cars from 49 all the way up to the 94 bird I now have.

Since my family does not share my enthusiasm for my hobby I have to indulge
in it on the side, in "their" spare time and with "Their" spare change so
progress is slow but there is progress :-) I now have a nice, concrete
floored, 30x48x12' pole barn (in which is stored a considerable quantity of
"their" junk and in which my daughter had her reception on which I worked
for a solid week to decorate (full time, on vacation)) with full bathroom,
two post, in ground hydraulic hoist (used for DJ stand at reception), 8x15'
heated workshop (in the rear of the barn next to the bathroom) with 15' long
bench, sand blaster cabinet, paint equipment, 7.5hp compressor that turns
off the neighbors lights when it starts, welding equipment which fed the
family when I was laid off for 2 years, and a house that is finally starting
to look like someone lives there :-) All stuffed into one acre. My wife,
of course, would prefer I spend all my time, energy and money fixing up the
house and to an extent I have to admit she has a good point but......I have
to have something to do that I actually "Enjoy" too so it has to be balanced
:-)

Anyway, I've been married twice, separated and reconciled once and have
"Her's, Mine and Our's" totaling 6 offspring, 3 sons from my first marriage,
2 step sons and 1 daughter from my current relationship. My daughter's dog
resides with us, is trained by me, fed by me, cared for by me so she can
play with it (lab mix)....come to think of it my daugher fits that same
description as does her husband to some extent :-) Then there is my step
son who used to reside in my basement. He's on the road a lot now so hasn't
been home in a while but we are reminded of his presence every time we go
downstairs :-) We will be eating turkey with my other step son in his new
house and granny can visit with Kassie, her new grand daughter. Between us
we have 8 grand children now but only get to see Kassie on a regular basis.

I work at a Ford parts plant, now called Visteon in the Tool Room as a CNC
cutter grinder and do some odd computer stuff on the side. I program the
CNC stuff as well. With any luck at all I will be retired, with at least a
visage of my former health still intact, in 6-18 months depending and will
persue my first dream with some serious gusto :-) Have to train my family
to live on a retirement income first :-(

In keeping with my "Positive" attitude I have described the positive side of
my life :-) I think, in retrospect, my life could have been a lot worse,
dreams or no dreams :-)

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> wanna, can ya tell me a lil about
> yourselves? I
> mean just general stuff,not too personal, like maybe how old
> ya are
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 09:40:22 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Cab Replacement II

I used the jack stands to support the cab while working on each corner. Set
the cab on the blocks rather than the mounts so you can position them etc..
It keeps the cab more or less level so you can see what you are doing and if
you position them away from the mounts themselves it gives you room to work
on them. You can just plop it on the frame too but that means you have to
keep prying things around and jacking stuff up. Once you have one mount
anchored the cab is pretty stable and you can then push, pry etc. to get the
others in line but if it's on the frame everything drags and gets hung up,
on blocks it can move a little without any problems (if you set them up
properly). Even jack stands can be tipped if you try hard enough :-(

An option to this would be to use the blocks between the cab and frame and
forget the stands. This would do the same thing and may be easier in the
long run. When I worked on mine I did not actually remove the cab so the
details were a little different than your case. I was welding in new body
mount brackets to lift the cab 4". Sometimes it's easier to move the
chassis than the body parts. I did a little of both on that project so the
stands worked out better. I also had an over head chain hoist to lift the
cab since I was working by myself. Remember, sheet metal bends very easily
and doesn't support much weight or resist much prying.

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> Gary,
>
> I see what you're saying about taking the front clip
> off. But I can't quite picture how you manuever the
> new cab on after the old one is off. I figured on
> coming in from the side behind the engine and droping
> it in place. I 'm wondering what you mean by using the
> jack stands and 2x4's...
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 08:41:03 -0600
From: "Freewheel"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........

Hi everyone, I'm Larry, I'm a Ford-aholic :)
I presently own 3 different Ford trucks, a '69 F100 stepside, a '76 F100
(400 CID needing a rebuild, C6) Ranger (390 CID, C6) and a '84 Bronco II
4X4.
I am always looking for good deals on more trucks, I like to rebuild and
repair them to working (not always restore) condition. I know I have
infected at least 2 others in my area with this sickness.
I have at least 3 motors sitting in the garage on stands ( a 400 ready to go
to the machine shop, a 2.8 waiting for it's turn, and a 260/289 just back).
I have complete Ford shop manuals sets for the above years, including wiring
diagrams.
I live in Shreveport, LA.
The other things I love are big dogs (right now I have a German Shepard
named Stormy), BBQ and smoking meats, and hot Chile peppers.
Right now I am single and between girlfriends, not really searching.
I work for a television production company, prior to coming to working for
them I worked for a local Ford dealer as a mechanic/shop foreman.
I love browsing through wrecking yard looking for those gems that I need or
lust after..........or think I might someday want or even find a use for.
If anyone is in the area feel free to look me up and I'll throw on some ribs
and we can visit.

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 09:59:37 EST
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Econoline taillights

Arent the econoline tailights the same as the F-series taillights??? They
look pretty similar to me, but I could be wrong.

Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M
True Blue Ford Blue
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 10:15:16 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Steering

Wander is usually not related to the looseness, it is almost always
something binding. You can have loose steering and wander so there are
several things to fix but if it wanders it is probably seized king pins.

The odd looseness you mentioned may be due to the steeing box being too
tight and the wheel not centered to the box. With a 2wd this would also
indicate something is bent or suspension bushing are trashed or body mounts
have collapsed unevenly since the pitman arm only fits every 90 degrees and
one tooth (even with keys ground out) is more adjustment than you will ever
need (tried it, doesn't work :-( ) The steeing box is what's called a
sector and rack system and the sector is eliptic, not a true radius so it's
higher in the center which means your clearance is tightest in the center
and when you adjust it, it must be centered or you will have problems.

To check this, jack up the front end, disconnect the pitman arm and find the
box center by rotating the steering wheel from lock to lock and positioning
it exactly in the center of travel. If the wheel is not level at this
point, remove it without moving the shaft and put it back on in the proper
position and tighten it down. Now do what ever is necessary to bring the
wheel (steering wheel) back to center while moving down the road.......fix
the alignment, replace the bushings, fix the king pins, replace bent parts
or rebuild collapsed body mounts etc.. Once you have done all this it will
handle like a new truck. Anything less will be less, it's that simple :-)

You can throw peanut butter on dog poop but it still tastes like dog
poop........You can drive more nails into a rotted house but the house will
still fall down......You can't make a silk purse out o..........A stitch in
time sav....ok, that one doesn't fit :-(

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> My 78 RWD's steering is way too loose. It's not bad on the
> city roads, but
> on the highway, or above 90KPH it's hard to keep it in a
> straight line. I
> already tightened down the gearbox(nut and screw on top of
> it), and that
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 10:15:17 EST
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........

In a message dated 11/19/99 6:54:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Well I guess I'll be one of the ones to jump off the proverbial bridge with
everyone else. My name is Ian Coil, I'm 17 years old, I live in a town
called Canal Winchester (Despite the numerous signs around town missing the
"C"). After high-school I plan to either goto the US Air Force Acadamy or
Ohio State University and pursue an engineering degree. My current ride is a
spraypainted 79 F250 4x4 with the ol reliable 4spd and Dana 60's. Its
currently a work-in-progress driver with a top speed of 75 MPH, but i plan on
sticking in a rebuilt 400 sometime next spring. Besides my truck my hobbies
include biking and paintballing ( don't know if you guys have ever heard or
played,,,just started to become more common in the last 2 years). I have 2
Border Collies, Tanner and Molly, 2 Parakeets, Charles IV and Blueberry
(hehe don't ask ;-) ) . I'm starting a new job soon at "Classics by Elite"
(www.streetrods.com) which I'm REALLY looking forward too. My other car
intrests besides Ford-Trucks are Mustangs of all kinds ( as far as im
concerned 1974-1978 mustangs WERE NOT made,,,,those were Mustang II's) and
the only chevys I'd ever think of owning,,, Impala's. My dream car though is
a 1974 Pantera,,,but that aint going to happen for awhile. Anyways I've said
enough for now,,,,

Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M
True Blue Ford Blue

Bad4dFilly aol.com writes:
> Hi guys! I was just thinkin, we all write back and forth to eachother like
> there is no tomorrow, but I hardly know the majority of the members on the
> list So how bout this, for those of ya who
> wanna, can ya tell me a lil about yourselves? I
> mean just general stuff,not too personal, like maybe how old ya are, where
> ya
> live, if you're married, have kids, what ya do for a livin and what ya
like
> to do in your spare time.
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 10:17:17 EST
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........

oh and i forgot,,,,Lisa,,,,Im single

Ian
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 09:16:48 -0600
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 9"

Actually, I think the one that looks like a nine inch, but really
isn't, is the eight inch rear. It has the removable center, like the
nine incher. The 8.8 is a late model rear, and everything comes out the
back after the cover is removed.

Jason

Danny Ling wrote:
The Ford has another rear
> axle that looks almost identicle to the 9" (I think it's the 8.8") It
> too has a removable third member (center section) just like the 9"
.
>
> Laters, Danny Ling
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 07:29:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Ballinger
Subject: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........

I'm 39, married and have two young'uns, a 17 year old
son who BTW is a charter member of our local FFA and
drives my pride and joy ('65 F250 4X4) to school.
He's going into the military, likely to be a jarhead.
He's looking very hard at fish farming after the
service and college. I have a 15 year old daughter
who's spoiled brat, 'nuff said. She thinks she's
getting a Wrangler for when she starts to drive. I'm
trying to find a rusty old '60 Ford staion wagon
that's smokes real bad for her. Loving Daddy indeed!


I love all Fords but have a special affinity for FE
powered '50's and 60's cars and trucks. I have done
alot of stupid things and absolutely, unequivically
refuse to grow up and act my age.



__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 10:29:42 EST
From: Samot84 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford Rancheros

er, hello.
since we are on the subject of rancheros, was wondering if anybody had any
reccomendations about buying one...rust to look out for, etc...i'm looking at
a '73, which is pretty cool, but it's been a bit modded up, which i'm not so
sure is a good thing to buy used. also, around what price should i pay?
thanks!
- -tomas
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 10:36:02 EST
From: AndyMFJ684 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - (no subject)

In my 65 F 250 I have a 352 with a 4 speed I had to put in a new radiator I
got it out of a 77 i also replaced the water pump and the thermostat and now
the truck seems like it is running to cool and the heater won't get hot
enough does any one know what the problem could be
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 10:53:35 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Heater not working

Did you install it at the same height as the original? Some of the old ford
trucks with down draft radiators have to be filled so the coolant stays
above the core for the heater to get any circulation once the thermostat
opens. When installing a non stock radiator you must make sure the top tank
is above the level of the heater core or at least even with it.

The old fords are kind of neat that way....when the lifters started rattling
I knew I needed exactly 2 qts of oil and when the heater quit working I knew
I needed almost a gallon of coolant, sometimes less than that :-)

Another possiblility, especially if you removed any of the heater lines is
that you pushed some heater line lining in front of the nipple when you
pushed it back on or one of the lines is kinked or the interior liner has
collapsed. And, one more possiblility is that when you pulled the radiator
it dislodged some junk that wound up in the core which has very small tubes
and is easily clogged. If you used "ANY" "Bars leaks" in that radiator it
has clogged the heater core. If you ever want to win a sure bet, bet on a
clogged heater core after using bars leaks. You'll win every time (unless
it's your heater core):-)

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> In my 65 F 250 I have a 352 with a 4 speed I had to put in a
> new radiator I
> got it out of a 77 i also replaced the water pump and the
> thermostat and now
> the truck seems like it is running to cool and the heater
> won't get hot
> enough does any one know what the problem could be
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 07:59:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Ballinger
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE Rocker Arm Conversion

I have bought a set of Speed Pro 1.76 adjustable
rockers and ball and cup pushrods for the 390 I'm
building. They will need to go on my existing
non-adjustable shafts, which are in good shape.

I know the adjustable and non adjustable applications
originally had a different shaft for each, but the
replacement applications show the B8AZ 6563-D
hydraulic lifter shaft as the only one available. Has
anyone installed these rockers on these shafts before?


Another thing is that I have the aluminum stands. Are
they going to be good enough for a set of 300 PSI
springs? The cam is just 224 d. .050 and .540 gross
lift. (.518 after subtracting the lash)

Azie, didn't you used to run a 428 CJ in racing? You
know the valvetrain stuff, what do you think? I'd
essentially be putting a set of adjustable rockers on
stock shafts, which is what Speed-Pro says they are
made for.

Anyone else with experience using this combination?


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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:04:09 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Spoiled??? Never! :-)

One day I drove up to the local Video Connection in my "Sanford and Son" red
78 and my daugher as passenger and she howled that I could not park in front
because some of her friends were working there.....I pulled right up to the
curb, 4 feet from the front window, went inside, told all the kids to look
out the front window and point and smile and they, more or less, did as I
asked without really meaning to, out of curiosity :-) When I got out to the
truck she was curled up with her head below the window level, hiding from
them. "That'll teach ya to be ashamed of your dad's favorite truck" I said
:-)

When she needed a car she got my 88 Festiva, then my 92 tempo then my 92
TBird....I offered her the truck but for some reason she passed......now she
has her own 97, F-150, 4x4 but is living at home since there is no money
left over to pay rent :-) She's not spoiled though....we each have our own
remotes for the new 10' dish receiver and her husband says he doesn't even
want to be in the house if we ever pick them up at the same time........I
swear! She's not spoiled :-)

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> who's spoiled brat, 'nuff said. She thinks she's
> getting a Wrangler for when she starts to drive. I'm
> trying to find a rusty old '60 Ford staion wagon
> that's smokes real bad for her. Loving Daddy indeed!
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 10:02:34 -0600
From: "Norm"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Heater not working

If you used "ANY" "Bars leaks" in that radiator it
> has clogged the heater core. If you ever want to win a sure bet, bet on a
> clogged heater core after using bars leaks. You'll win every time (unless
> it's your heater core):-)
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> Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
> 78 Bronco Loving, Gary

Gary.......everyone else....The bars leak thing is intresting.....not to
start a huge discussion about this....cuz all will have an
opinion.......just was wondering something......I used 16 Bottles of this
stuff to get my Bronco home once...years back......and to date the heater
core still works awesome....Did I just get lucky?

Norm


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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 10:12:25 -0600
From: Stu Varner
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Stu's Engine Firing? Little Mo info???

Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:00:19 -0800
From: Tim Bowman
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Stu's Engine Firing?

Has anyone heard how Stu's firing of his rebuilt (or should I say
remanufactured to original equipment specifications) '71 engine went? I
haven't seen anything on the list.

- - --
Tim Bowman
Burien, WA
tkbowman uswest.net

Tim,

The engine firing did not go off as planned......as usual, things came up
the two weeks prior
that prevented an enjoyable day with the Old Girl (real nickname not
suitable for mixed audiences).

The biggest reason for the delay was a lack of an exhaust system.
I am currently scheduled with my muffler shop for Wed Nov 24th. They
should be able to
complete the job that afternoon.

As of now, the target date for "THE" firing is Nov 26th, Fri. I will not
be traveling overnight for the holidays
and things should be ready by then. I lack very little being finished with
the whole truck.

I still need to bleed the brakes, put new shocks on, and have the seat
recovered. The paint also needs color sanding
and the bumpers, all chrome and aluminum trim (including grill shell) need
to be installed once the paint has been sanded.

Other than that, we are close to being ready for Pigeon Forge this coming
May. BTW- If you (non-gender specific)
have never attended the Grandaddy (gender specific) of Ford truck events,
YOU MUST MAKE PLANS TO ATTEND!!
Each year a number of FTE list members and club members
get together for some of the greatest 3 days in Ford trucking!!!

Thanks for asking Tim!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

As far as who I am.......geez Lesa, I am not sure I know myself well enough
to tell anyone about me.

I am a 33 year old 7th grade science teacher and football coach
who has the greatest wife (how's that ladies??)
and 3 kids in the world.
My daughter is 3, my 2nd child (a son) is two and my newest son is one.
I live in West Tennessee and enjoy the hobby of
restoring my old truck (others will soon be forthcoming - all FE powered),
hunting, fishing, coaching football and teaching.

I hate to eat catfish, I can't stand to listen to whiners, I love Zepplin,
classic rock and classic country music.
I drive a ragged out 89 Mercury Grand Marq and my wife has a 95 Special
Service Crown Vic.
I have always owned Fords or glorified Fords (mercs), had many associated
with my family who have worked for Ford in various capacities.

My first vehicle was a boxwood green 71 F-100 which died of cancer in the
early 90's. R.I.P. 8^(
My pride and joy is a 71 F-100 4x4 which is being fully restored to stock,
factory specs.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu

I am currently going through a 12 step program for my addiction to Ford
vehicles.
I am fond of FE engines and fonder of fine cigars.
I am acquiring a taste for 300 4V inlines with duals.....thanks to Tony
"the kid" Marino.
I have an even greater appreciation for 67-68 Mercury trucks.....a truck I
will probably never have the opportunity to own. 8^(
I have the mentality of a 17 year old and the body of a 66 year old thanks
to my life of athletics.

I love living in the south but grew up about 70 miles south of Pittsburgh
on the West Virgina/PA state line.
(Phil Beattie, next summer, let's try to get together and do lunch or
something in Pittsburgh or Wheeling. We'll get Marino to meet us
there........plan for it now those who live in PA, OH and WV. Whadda ya
think guys??)

Enough about me.........I have to go change a smelly diaper

Stu
Nuke GM!
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:17:31 EST
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - CHERRY 71 FOR SALE!

Just saw an absolutely BEAUTIFUL 71 F-100 for sale here in Boulder, CO:

Sport Custom
Original Red Paint, Looks like it has been garaged all its life!
Air Conditioning
390/Automatic (runs like a dream, he started it up)
Big chrome stock hub caps
Some minor rust on front fender
ALL of the chrome trim looks brand new
2, count em', 2 auxilliary fuel tanks (plus the main behind the seat)
Interior: perfect, although the dash has a crack
Body: Completely straight!
Camper shell
Just over 100k miles on odometer
Phone: (303) 499-5515
Asking price: $3,800

Hope someone on the list picks this up....

CJ









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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:17:37 EST
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 4 inner fenders installed ready for winter

Hi Kirk,

This is a great idea....I've been using the rear wheel liners from JCW...they
cost about $75 a pair and fit pretty well....I even modified a front set out
of a 76 to fit my 69'....

When I took apart the 77 I was working on, (it came original with liners in
the front), everything behind them looked absolutely clean and new.....made a
believer out of me after knowing this truck was driven through 21 Colorado
winters......

CJ
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:20:18 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Max tire/rim size

The "10.5" is actually the cross sectional width at the widest point of the
side wall and, as mentioned already, the rim should be roughly 2" narrower
or roughly the same width as the tread in most cases. 7" is a tad narrow
for that tire but it will suffice for a while in a pinch. Keep it inflated
to prevent the bead from failing and keep in mind that you will not get the
tire life out of them that way either.

The proper way, if you have the cash, is to size the rim to the tire so that
the bead sits squarely in the rim with no lateral forces trying to pull it
out of position and so the tread lays flat on the ground, naturally, at full
inflation (recommended for that application). This is the best for tire
life and is also the safest, both for blow out prevention and handling which
is why it is also the recommended way according the manufacturers. You can
call virtually any tire place and ask for recommendations and they can
advise you. In my experience they typically run in the range mentioned
above.

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> Anyone know the minimum rim width for a 31x10.50x15?
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 09:22:57 -0700
From: "Bertolin"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........

Lisa wrote:
> Hi guys! I was just thinkin, we all write back and forth to
> eachother like there is no tomorrow, but I hardly know the majority of the
> members on the list So how bout this, for
those of ya who
> wanna, can ya tell me a lil about yourselves?

I'm not a guy but I'll jump in too. My name is Roberta. I'm 42, divorced for
many years and my only "kids" are a 3 year old Norwegian Elkhound named P.J.
and a 15 + year old cockatiel named Fred. I work in a management position in
a local hospital, trained as an RN. I hope to go back to school with in the
next couple of years and make a career change towards the computer field,
probably some type of computer programming. Every Sunday, I teach the love
of Jesus to some great 1 and 2 year olds in Sunday School. Most of my time
during the week is spent working long hours at a pretty demanding job. Any
free time I have is spent with family and friends doing outdoor type
activities such as hiking, biking etc or working on my house or truck.
I have always loved classic trucks. My Dad, no longer alive, was a Ford man.
I loved helping him with his vehicles as a child. My brother also loves
classic trucks and has several in various stages of restoration in his
backyard here in Southern Arizona. A couple years ago I told my brother I
would be interested in the 1965 Ford truck he was going to make into one
from two parts trucks he had. He instead found me an almost original 1965
custom cab. He told me if I didn't want it, he would find a way to buy it
himself. It was just too nice to let go. I bought it and have never
regretted it. He had the distinct privilege of teaching me how to drive a
manual transmission. I was a quick study and now drive the 3 on the tree
with ease and would never want to make it an automatic. Eventually, I will
get a new paint job and spruce up the interior with new carpet and change
the vinyl seat to velour. My goal is to keep the truck as original as
possible. I would like to drive it to Pigeon Forge some day but not sure
I'll ever get up the courage. While the baby original 240 I6 runs great,
seems to burn minimal oil and maintains an oil pressure ~55-60, I'm not sure
I would want to brave a 1000-2000 mile trip. I guess that's enough about me.

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 08:30:42 -0800
From: "Shirley"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: A LIL MO' INFO.........

My name is Scott Bradley and I'm 40, Married to a wonderful gal and have a
17 year old son. I've been in the Dry Cleaning industry for too many years
and am currently looking into college for software QA. I've driven Fords
since 1978 with a few others mixed in, but I always come back!
I love to work on my current ride, a 1966 F-100 than has such a wide mix of
parts that going to the parts store is a nightmare. I'm not a "original
stock" fanatic and not looking for a show truck either.

I love to watch football and I'm in a fantasy league. We just moved from
Portland, Or to Redding, Ca. and I wish we were back in Oregon. I love the
Lord, my family and Ford trucks! I'm glad to be on this list and happy to
meet all of you here.

Scott Bradley
1966 F-100 Shortbox 351C

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:32:51 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Heater not working

In my most humble opinion......YES! :-) They used to put oatmeal in model
T's too with the same results.....at best it is a temporary fix, at worst it
clogs everything up....so maybe it's not such a sure bet after all? Only
used it a few times and had to replace the heater core later in every
case....could have been coincidence I suppose :-)

I don't use engine cleaner additives either......but....have used tranny
sealers before with mixed success. Since these trannys were on their last
legs it didn't matter :-) Don't know it they cause trouble or not but they
are not using the same function, they simply soften the seals to allow them
to seal better, bars leaks is a solid which theoretically softens in the hot
coolant and hardens in contact with the air or what ever.

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> If you used "ANY" "Bars leaks" in that radiator it
> > has clogged the heater core. If you ever want to win a
>
> Gary.......everyone else....The bars leak thing is
> intresting.....not to
> start a huge discussion about this....cuz all will have an
> opinion.......just was wondering something......I used 16
> Bottles of this
> stuff to get my Bronco home once...years back......and to
> date the heater
> core still works awesome....Did I just get lucky?
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:40:20 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Stu's Engine Firing? Little Mo info???

Plan on a week if you really want to see the place.....:-)

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> YOU MUST MAKE PLANS TO ATTEND!!
> Each year a number of FTE list members and club members
> get together for some of the greatest 3 days in Ford trucking!!!
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 08:47:51 -0800 (PST)
From: rich may
Subject: FTE 61-79 - stang headers

I was wondering if anyone knows where I can get
headers for a 1968 390GT. It is in my truck now but it
originally came from a mustang. Any info would be
appreciated.

Rich

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:48:55 EST
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Steve & the Rockette's reply

In a message dated 11/20/1999 3:50:18 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
tkbowman uswest.net writes:


I, too, have my FT along with 4 other FOMCO collectibles. >>

OMG I want them SO bad! They are like 5$ at Taco Bell.....Hmmm... I think
I'll go get some soon! LOL

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~Silly boys...trucks are for girls!!~*~*
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 08:50:14 -0800
From: "Mike Sealey"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Bashing backlash apology

On Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:26:58 Bird Sandi M CNFB wrote:

>by popular request, I hereby submit my most humblest apologies regarding my,
>evidently erroneous, assumption that some of you were women bashing.
>
>and, as was pointed out to me, I was just as guilty of male bashing, so I
>also apologize for that.

No sweat, Chief. We all have to check ourselves every so often.

As you've probably heard to death by now, most of the guys on the list would be delighted to run into a woman who shares our interests as you do. I am lucky enough to have recently become acquainted with a beautiful woman who owns five old Imperials and can do much of the work herself. I'm 44 and have been married twice and have not been lucky enough to meet unattached women who like the same stuff I do until now.

Sounds like you got hit with some sweeping generalizations at the worst possible time.

Better luck with the next mechanic and with guys in general in the future.




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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:54:04 EST
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Spoiled??? Never! :-)

In a message dated 11/20/1999 4:09:22 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
gpeters3 visteon.com writes:


red
78 and my daugher as passenger and she howled that I could not park in front
because some of her friends were working there.....I pulled right up to the
curb, 4 feet from the front window, went inside, told all the kids to look
out the front window and point and smile and they, more or less, did as I
asked without really meaning to, out of curiosity :-) When I got out to the
truck she was curled up with her head below the window level, hiding from
them. "That'll teach ya to be ashamed of your dad's favorite truck" I said
:-) >>

OMG! Do ya know that can scar the poor girl FOR LIFE? LOL I don't understand
how she could be SO embarrassed of a truck, much less a FORD! I've had my
lesson in "charcater" as my boyfriend has a multi-colored 63/64/65/66 Ford
It's a total
ranch truck with a blue hood, the cab is white, the bed is red and the
tailgate is gree, how's that for character? I don't mind bein seen in it a
bit, now if was a Ch*vy.................LOL

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~Silly boys...truck are for girls~*~*
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 10:03:28 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Heater not working

> Gary.......everyone else....The bars leak thing is intresting.....not to
> start a huge discussion about this....cuz all will have an
> opinion.......just was wondering something......I used 16 Bottles of this
> stuff to get my Bronco home once...years back......and to date the heater
> core still works awesome....Did I just get lucky?
>
> Norm
................

After using 2 bottles to seal a slight leak in a radiator, the
thermostat froze shut while climbing a long, steep hill in the summer. I
pulled over and removed the thermostat, but not before the engine got real
hot. The motor rattled for about a week before it croaked.


Danger


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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:03:05 -0600
From: "Michael Miller"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - oil leak

HELP! I have a 1969 F-100 with a 300/6 cyl. I thought the oil leak was
comming from where the dip-stick tube connected to the pan. I tried several
things to get it fixed and finally got it tight and leak free. That is when
I found out the leak is from the top of the tube! The oil is blowing up the
tube and running back down it to the pan. (and all over the firewall) Is
there a reason it is doing this?
Thanks
Mike...

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 09:14:55 -0800
From: "Mike Sealey"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:Valves v. Rings, '75 390

On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 08:21:48 Dan Lee wrote:

>Take a compression test on the good cylinders, if you
>get decent readings, leave the rings alone. You can
>inspect the cylinder walls after you remove the heads,
>but unless there is a major problem that won't tell
>you much.

Compression is 115-122 all cylinders except #5 which is 40. Forget who said I should check the plug but I'm waaaay beyond that. Did the oil-in-plug-hole test, still 40.

Oil pressure is indeed good, and the motor actually feels very healthy on the road.

Thanks for the continuing suggestions. I'm thinking in terms of pulling a couple of wrecking yard heads and having them redone (incl. Magnafluxed, etc. first) and throwing them on immediately, while saving the original heads to be machined later and put back on the block at rebuild time. Hopefully that part can be put off for a while!

Mike Sealey
'75 F-150 (390/C6), '99 Windstar (taxicab)
and multiple non-FoMoCo vehicles...




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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 12:15:59 EST
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO: A SUCCESS!

Hey guys! This is so cool! We are all findin out the neatest stuff about
eachother.
would have to kick my butt! LOL> Keep up the good work! =)

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~SIlly boys..trucks are for GIRLS!~*~*
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 12:18:59 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Spoiled??? Never! :-)

When my three boys were in school (when they were young) I had removed some
windows from my 73 club wagon van and replaced them with luan which I
thought looked pretty good but they wanted me to park it out back so when
the school bus came to pick them up the other kids couldn't see it. They
also wouldn't wear hats and gloves to school in winter because they made
their pockets stick out when they stuffed them in there.....they just were
not cool no matter how much sense it made to have them available :-) I've
seen grown men wear short, jacket length leather jackets with no gloves or
hats in below zero weather because it just was not cool :-)

Speaking of cool....is it cool to ride your tank slapper, hard tail Harley
in 30 degree weather with airforce B-29 fleece lined bomber pants and heavy
mittens instead of really cool designer gloves? Must be from another planet
cuz I did and never felt ashamed either.....:-)

Like I said some mature more slowly than others......:-)

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> OMG! Do ya know that can scar the poor girl FOR LIFE? LOL I
> don't understand
> how she could be SO embarrassed of a truck, much less a FORD!
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 12:28:50 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - oil leak

If this is a sudden development you may have a holed a piston. If it is not
also missing very cleanly on one cylinder that is probably not what happened
though. If this is the case be very carefull around it when it's running
and protect your eyes any time the hood is open while engine is running
since this can cause a crank case explosion.

If it's been developing over time and you just began to notice it then it
could simply be rings or even a broken ring but then you should be having a
miss there too. Does this engine have a PCV valve? The crank case has to
have a vent and if the vent is clogged, either the down tube, clogged with
dirt or the PCV you will get pressure which will blow splashed oil up the
dip stick tube.

Never heard much about the 300's having piston troubles but the older,
smaller ones like the 200 used to melt pistons.

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> I found out the leak is from the top of the tube! The oil is
> blowing up the
> tube and running back down it to the pan. (and all over the
> firewall) Is
> there a reason it is doing this?
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 09:30:11 -0800
From: "Mike Sealey"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........

On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 18:51:03 Bad4dFilly wrote:

>Hi guys! I was just thinkin, we all write back and forth to eachother like
>there is no tomorrow, but I hardly know the majority of the members on the
>list...

Oooooooookaaay. I drive a cab in San Francisco, as does my friend Denny Kiernan who turned me on to this list. 44, married and divorced twice (21 y/o son by 1st marriage, 6 y/o daughter by 2nd). Primarily a MoPar guy but not so brand loyal that I ignore other cool stuff. The "multiple non-FoMoCo vehicles" alluded to in my sig. include a '60 Plymouth Belvedere, '66 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham, '68 Dodge Coronet 500, '69 Olds Ninety Eight, and '82 Chrysler LeBaron K-vertible (don't laugh, it's clean and the leather is perfect) that serves as my daily driver.

A few years back, I had a thing going where I bought and sold used cars on the side. I'm planning to get back into that now that I'm single again, and bought the F-150 as a tow vehicle to drag stuff home from the auctions. Looking forward to seeing how it'll do.

Mike Seley
'75 F-150, '99 Windstar (taxicab)
and multiple non-FoMoCo vehicles...


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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 09:32:08 -0800
From: "Mike Sealey"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' (accurate) INFO

Good golly, did I actually misspell my last name there? Sure glad my dad isn't on this list...

Mike Seley (That's SEALEY)
'75 F-150, '99 Windstar (taxicab)
and multiple non-FoMoCo vehicles...


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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:32:27 -0600
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - stang headers

Rich, if the vertical set of bolt holes are drilled and tapped, just run
a tap through them to clean the threads and use a standard set for a
pickup. If they're not drilled and tapped, then you'll either have to
modify a set for a mustang or have a custom set built. you could even go
as far as to remove your heads and have them drilled and tapped!

Jason

rich may wrote:
>
> I was wondering if anyone knows where I can get
> headers for a 1968 390GT. It is in my truck now but it
> originally came from a mustang. Any info would be
> appreciated.
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 09:33:43 -0800
From: "Mike Sealey"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rancheros, Falcon?

On Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:46:09 kpayne wrote:

>"William S. Hart" wrote:
>>
>> > There are people (genderless) on this list who know more than I do about
>> > these trucks but I believe they were made on the Falcon format, not full
>> > sized pickups so are a little smaller than a full sized pickup.
>>
>> I'm not genderless, but I do know a little about Ranchero's ... we have a
>> 70, by 68 they were based on the Fairlane not the Falcon, and since the
>> Fairlane became the Torino, that's what they're based off of for 74 ...
>
>Early Rancheros were based on the Falcon. It was originally
>called the Ford Falcon Ranchero.

Sure seems to me from the posts I've seen that some folks think the Ranchero started with the Falcon-based models in '60. The '57-'59 fullsize passenger car based Rancheros have long been among my dream vehicles.

I understand Canadian L-M dealers sold Meteor Rancheros during these years as well, which IMO would be even cooler...

Mike Sealey
'75 F-150 (390/C6), '99 Windstar (taxicab)
and multiple non-FoMoCo vehicles...


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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:39:36 -0600
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Spoiled??? Never! :-)

If it's a Harley, you'd look good wearing a pink and purple 70's leisure
suit!

Jason


Peters, Gary (G.R.) wrote:

> Speaking of cool....is it cool to ride your tank slapper, hard tail Harley
> in 30 degree weather with airforce B-29 fleece lined bomber pants and heavy
> mittens instead of really cool designer gloves? Must be from another planet
> cuz I did and never felt ashamed either.....:-)
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