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In this issue:

RE: FTE 61-79 - Cab Replacement II
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: "Man Bashing"
FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........
RE: FTE 61-79 - Too serious :-( too fun :-)
FTE 61-79 - Re: Dana 44 Hubs
FTE 61-79 - Ford van windshields etc. in Pennsylvania
FTE 61-79 - cougar list ?
FTE 61-79 - Re: 9" ID
FTE 61-79 - Re: Club Wagon vandalized
FTE 61-79 - Re: Econoline taillights
FTE 61-79 - Re: Windshield replacement
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Club Wagon vandalized
RE: FTE 61-79 - Windshield install - how difficult?
RE: FTE 61-79 - Steering
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: - Valves v. Rings, '75 390
FTE 61-79 - shop manuals
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: 9" ID
Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........
FTE 61-79 - Re: - Valves v. Rings, '75 390
Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........
FTE 61-79 - LIST #423
Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........
FTE 61-79 - Rad. cap/FE valve adjustment?Vandalizing scum bags
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: New store items
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: prolonging life in old trucks
FTE 61-79 - Ford Rancheros
FTE 61-79 - Stu's Engine Firing?
FTE 61-79 - Re: Steve & the Rockette's reply
Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 Price
FTE 61-79 - Opinions
Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:prolonging life in old trucks
Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........
Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 9" ID
FTE 61-79 - re:steering

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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:17:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Jayson Spangler
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Cab Replacement II

Gary,

I see what you're saying about taking the front clip
off. But I can't quite picture how you manuever the
new cab on after the old one is off. I figured on
coming in from the side behind the engine and droping
it in place. I 'm wondering what you mean by using the
jack stands and 2x4's...

Jayson
78 F100 w/sick cab
__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 18:21:37 EST
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: "Man Bashing"

In a message dated 11/19/1999 1:28:18 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
gpeters3 visteon.com writes:


"selected" areas but fall back on emotions in others but mature over time
till they are perfect like us old F**ts :-) I want to commend you on your
"not so youthfull" insight :-) You bring a bright, bubbley flavor to the
list :-) >>

Awwwwwwwww shucks! *Blushing* That's so sweet! Thanks for the compliment! I
feel so special now! =)

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~Silly boys...trucks are for GIRLS!~*~*
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 18:51:03 EST
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........

Hi guys! I was just thinkin, we all write back and forth to eachother like
there is no tomorrow, but I hardly know the majority of the members on the
list So how bout this, for those of ya who
wanna, can ya tell me a lil about yourselves? I
mean just general stuff,not too personal, like maybe how old ya are, where ya
live, if you're married, have kids, what ya do for a livin and what ya like
to do in your spare time. Does that sound cool? I guess since it was my idea,
I'll start off. Well, by now y'all know my personality. *giggle* I'm 17
be 18 in May> I'm a senior I plan to do something agricultural
related next year in college. I live in Southern California
from downtown LA, but it ain't far enough! LOL> I am NOT married, although I
have a totally awesome boyfriend
wouldn't dissapoint y'all!> In my spare time I like to do "cowgirl stuff" LOL
I an in F.F.A and I have a steer named "Duelly"
and a dairy heifer named "Harley" I
like to ride horses, go to rodeos, go line dancin, go fishin with my grandpa,
go to drag races with my dad and I hate to shop!
LOL And most of all, my favorite thing to do
listed above> is cruise in my baby "Envy!"
4x4> and try not to get picked up by gardeners or truck drivers *shiver* LOL
OK I've said enough about me, hope to get to know y'all better soon! Bye!

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~Silly boys...trucks are for GIRLS~*~*
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:12:30 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Too serious :-( too fun :-)

The easiest way is that the 9 inch has no bolts on the rear cover. The rear
cover is welded in place. The 9 inch came with gear ratios varying from
2.75 to at least 4.10. It is a fairly stout rear end and is one part
followers of the general will admit to putting under their cars. Racers
like it because the ring and pinion are part of the removable center
section. This allows the racer to set up several different centers to swap
out at the track. Referred to as the poor man's quick change.

Tom H.

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From: SevnD2 aol.com [mailto:SevnD2 aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 11:31 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Too serious :-( too fun :-)


To everyone on the list ,
I was taking the bashing a little too serious . Sorry . Enough about it .

I am having the time of my life reading these posts and adding my little bit

of input . I only wish I had bought a computer years ago . I am a greenhorn
with this thing and trucks , so I can only get better and better :-) .

Now for some fun :-) I need to know how to identify a 9 inch rearend . Is
there any difference from the "pumpkin" in a car and a truck , other than
gear ratios ?
Thanks ,
Rollie H. Hunt
King , N.C.
1976 F100 Ford Explorer 391FT(428ci)
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:14:16 -0500
From: "Serian"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Dana 44 Hubs

>> The cap should come off with 6 small allen head bolts. As I
>> recall even the
>> full time caps come off the same way? What part did you pry off?
>> There is
>> a retainer ring inside which retains the threaded base the cap
>> bolts thread
>> into.
>>
>
> That's how my part time hubs come apart, but this is a full time front
end,
> has literal hub caps, just like on your 2WD trucks ... afterall there's
just
> a solid piece in there that holds the hub and the axle together (splined
> shafts) ...

Thats how the part time 4x4 hubs on my F150 and Bronco work, too.
I have seen the full time 4x4 hubs on a Dana 44 (in a Jeep Cherokee).
On that particular one, the caps pop out just like the grease caps do
from a 4x2 hub; there are two (if I recall correctly) retaining rings. One
is easy to find, and it clips around the outside surface of the inner axle
shaft ... the other one sits in a groove on the inside of the axle/hub
housing; this retainer ring needs to be pried out as well (its often
hard to locate in all that grease, and its a heck of a pain in the arse to
get it out, but it does come out --usually after you have stabbed, cut,
and abrasion-shredded at least two fingers with various tools). Once
you get the retainer ring out, everything should slide out relatively
easily.




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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:18:20 -0500
From: "Serian"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ford van windshields etc. in Pennsylvania

> Also, if you know of a windshield or parts van in the Philadelphia
> area, please tell me. These vans are hard to find in junkyards around
here.
> The windshield is what I'm worried about.

Can't say as I know of any in the Philadelphia area, but there is a great
source for E series and F series parts from the 60's and 70's here in
Bradford County, PA. ('bout 60 miles west of Scranton)



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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:23:43 -0500
From: "Serian"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - cougar list ?

> The Cougar list of which I am still a part (they let me stay even though I
> traded my Cougar for my Econoline!),

Is a Montego close enough to a Cougar to sign up ? ;-)
from at least '73 - '76, they are practically the same car
with different emblems and options packages.



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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:28:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 9" ID

Tom wrote:
> The easiest way is that the 9 inch has no bolts on the rear cover. The rear
> cover is welded in place. The 9 inch came with gear ratios varying from
> 2.75 to at least 4.10. It is a fairly stout rear end and is one part
> followers of the general will admit to putting under their cars. Racers
> like it because the ring and pinion are part of the removable center
> section. This allows the racer to set up several different centers to swap
> out at the track. Referred to as the poor man's quick change.
>
> Tom H.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SevnD2 aol.com [mailto:SevnD2 aol.com]
>
> Now for some fun :-) I need to know how to identify a 9 inch rearend . Is
> there any difference from the "pumpkin" in a car and a truck , other than
> gear ratios ?

Rollie, once you've found the 9"er, be advised there are a couple of
different axles used. I believe most cars/early trucks use a 20-something
spline axle, later trucks use 30-something spline. Lower gear ratios
(higher numerics) may also use a different carrier (thing ring gear
is bolted to) due to the different gear thickness. Disc brake
9" rear ends can be found under Lincolns and big Mercasauris wagons.
- --
Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:22:04 -0500
From: "Don Haring, Jr."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Club Wagon vandalized

Peters, Gary said:

> Unless you know of a situation which may have caused someone to have
> something against you I would venture to say that vandalism is typically a
> "Joy ride" kind of thing. They do it for fun and you happened to be in the
> wrong place at the wrong time. We had a series of these in our ford parking
> lot and my rear window got smashed for no apparent reason. Several others
> did too on the same day but some had stuff missing, what ever was easy to
> grab.
> Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
> 78 Bronco Loving, Gary

> > There is no reason to smash a windshield except to do damage. I've
> > apparently made an enemy in my new neighborhood. I moved down to South
> > Philly in September, and this is the first time I've had a problem like
> > this.

Gary,

Yes, I have a neighbor who has been threatening me and some other
nieghbors. Without going into too much detail, it's so bad that I actually
have a restraining order against him. A lot of good that does me. He did
it, I just have no proof of it. The damage was two shots to the windshield
(splintered it fully but did not break it) and a 6" rock through the back
window. Nothing was stolen even though there were boxes in the rear. It was
simple spite, and I'm trying to be the better man by not retaliating. I
learned the hard way some time ago that it doesn't pay to get even. I know
when to pick my battles, and I'll most likely move out of the neighborhood
because this man is exactly the kind who would put a bullet in my head. He
once threated my nieghbor (an ex-boxer) with a machete.

FTE content: I was cleaning up the glass and putting some temporary
cardboard in the rear window when a cop pulled up. She said my van had been
reported stolen(?!) -- by a local councilman, no less. She was confused
when I told her it was my van and that it had been vandalized. She was
called away before she could further explain or clarify the situation. Bad
luck follows me around, I swear. I'll most likely move soon to avoid ending
up in the river.

Cheers!
- -don

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Don in Philadelphia
Internet Director, Keystone Chapter FCA | 66 Falcon Deluxe Club Wagon
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:32:08 -0500
From: "Don Haring, Jr."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Econoline taillights

Jerry Godsey said:
> Anybody have, or know of a good source for, Econoline Pickup taillight
> lenses? I had a bright idea last night to install blue dots in my
> taillights. Great idea until I broke the left one trying to drill a
> 15/16 hole in it.

Part #C1UZ-13450-A, sells at Joblot (NY 800-221-0172) for $5. That's cheap.
Other vendors have it for $9-20.

15/16 is a darn big hole for that lens. I would start very small and work
your way up to bigger bits. I've never drilled a lens before, but my
impression is that they are very brittle plastic. Perhaps someone knows of
a better way to make a hole (heated dowel? etc).

- -don

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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:29:53 -0500
From: "Serian"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Windshield replacement

> I know the general procedure for installing a windshield.
> If you have done this personally, please let me know honestly
> how difficut it was.

I have done this in a Jeep (Wagoneer) ... its not too terribly difficult,
but it is time consuming, and takes at least two careful people to
properly maneuver the glass into its proper position.
Taking the old one out can be a pain, but if you don't care about
what the old one looks like once you get it out, and you have a
shop-vac, a good hammer makes removal much more expedient.
Cold weather makes the widshield sealant tar not stick very well, so
if you are going to install the windshield yourself, you will need to
do it in your (or someone else's) warm garage rather than in the yard
this time of year.


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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:50:40 -0800
From: "Southerland, Rich"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Club Wagon vandalized

Geez. Sounds like my old neighbors. We lived in a row or townhouses. Punk
boyfriend of neighbors daughter steals several handguns earlier in the day,
takes them next door to show to the other degenerates. One brainiac picks
up a .25 pistol, points it at a poster on the wall and pulls the trigger.
Gun goes off, bullet goes through the wall, through my kids bedroom (where 6
kids were playing!), through their bedroom door and lodges in my hall. Punk
comes over and nonchalantly asks "did something come through here?".

Luckily nobody was hurt. My wife called me in hysterics and I rushed home.
Lucky for that guy he was in back of a patrol car otherwise I would have
hurt him bad. I didn't understand what made parents kill their kids
victimizers until that day.

The clincher came when the landlord refused to evict the mother and her
daughter saying they were "good tenants". We were out of there within the
week.

Get out of there if you at all can.
Rich

FTE content: I used my in-laws 67 F100 to move!


> I have a neighbor who has been threatening me and some other
>nieghbors. Without going into too much detail, it's so bad that I actually
>
>it, I just have no proof of it. The damage was two shots to the windshield
>(splintered it fully but did not break it) and a 6" rock through the back
>window. Nothing was stolen even though there were boxes in the rear. It was
>simple spite, and I'm trying to be the better man by not retaliating. I
>learned the hard way some time ago that it doesn't pay to get even. I know
>when to pick my battles, and I'll most likely move out of the neighborhood
>because this man is exactly the kind who would put a bullet in my head. He
>once threated my nieghbor (an ex-boxer) with a machete.

>FTE content: I was cleaning up the glass and putting some temporary
cardboard in the rear window when a cop pulled up. She said my van had been
reported stolen(?!) -- by a local councilman, no less. She was confused
when I told her it was my van and that it had been vandalized. She was
called away before she could further explain or clarify the situation. Bad
luck follows me around, I swear. I'll most likely move soon to avoid ending
up in the river.

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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 17:05:57 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Windshield install - how difficult?

Be very gentle and patient when you do this. Used windshields tend to be
more brittle than new ones.

Take your time and get some help and you'll probably do fine.

Tom H.

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From: TBeeee aol.com [mailto:TBeeee aol.com]
Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 10:16 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Windshield install - how difficult?


In a message dated 11/19/99 1:08:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
haring fedora.net writes:

>
> I know the general procedure for installing a windshield. If you have
done
> this personally, please let me know honestly how difficut it was.

Sorry to hear of your situation. You can do the windshield if your patient
and the weather is mild. This week-end should be good where you are. I am
going to scan the pages from the 66 Falcon Club Wagon Shop Manual I have
which details the removal and install process for the front and rear
windows.
I will send that to you off list. I hope this helps.


Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (HELP!---I need 15 x5 factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flare Side
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 17:21:09 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Steering

Check the rag joint. It is located between the steering column and the
steering box. Have someone rock the steering wheel back and forth while you
watch under the hood. You'll see the coulumn move and the steering box
input should move with it. In older trucks the rubber part of the joint
rots out so you don't have a connection between the column and the box. You
are actually running on the safety pins and there is a lot of play there.

Replacing the joint is not difficult and they were still available from Ford
a couple of years ago.

Tom H.

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From: Greg Sage [mailto:gsage home.com]
Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 1:04 PM
To: Ford List
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Steering


My 78 RWD's steering is way too loose. It's not bad on the city roads, but
on the highway, or above 90KPH it's hard to keep it in a straight line. I
already tightened down the gearbox(nut and screw on top of it), and that
helped a little. Has about 1 1/2 inches of play to the right and no play to
the left. What would be the easiest to hardest fixes on this? I really
would like to take this truck on road trips, but this scares the S #T outa
me. BTW, going to get a webpage up soon solely for 70's ford trucks. Will
inform when ready.

regards,

Greg Sage
Calgary, Alberta Canada
78 F150 2WD REGULAR CAB 351M/400 C6
97 Intrepid 3.5L (Wifes(computer controlled, can't even change the oil,
wouldn't wanna touch it) car)

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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 20:44:23 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: - Valves v. Rings, '75 390

Mike wrote:


engine, as the higher
compression is harder on the rings. >>

Generally speaking in the days gone by there was wisdom in that saying.
Because if the valves were worn out the rest of the engine probably was also.
In your case you have a burned valve, which does not necessarily correlate
to being warn out, especially with the lack of leaded fuels. Think about it
this way the engine at one time had tight valves and the rings worked fine,
unless the rings and cylinders are worn out they will continue to work fine
as they are designed for max compression. They will continue to wear and
next year they may fail, but it will not be because you fixed the valves.
The pressure in the cylinder can be related to ring and cylinder wear. The
pressure does not come from the compression, it comes from the burning of the
fuel. For a certain performance of the engine it requires the same cylinder
pressure for that same performance every time. So if you do not plan on
changing your driving habits severely, do not worry about it (if you start
driving full throttle all the time, then worry about it). Do what your
pocket books says and you will have some to drive and not be in debt.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 17:52:33 -0700
From: "Kiernan, Denny"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - shop manuals

TBeeee aol.com mentions:

> I am
> going to scan the pages from the 66 Falcon Club Wagon Shop Manual I have
> which details the removal and install process for the front and rear windows.

I am familiar with the Chilton and Haynes books for various series of
trucks, etc., (I use the Chilton book for my 72 F-100), but not the book
you refer to. Would it be a lot more comprehensive? What sort of price,
and are they easily available?
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 18:15:37 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: 9" ID



>Rollie, once you've found the 9"er, be advised there are a couple of
>different axles used. I believe most cars/early trucks use a 20-something
>spline axle, later trucks use 30-something spline. Lower gear ratios
>(higher numerics) may also use a different carrier (thing ring gear
>is bolted to) due to the different gear thickness. Disc brake
>9" rear ends can be found under Lincolns and big Mercasauris wagons.
- --

28 and 32 spline.
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 20:52:12 -0600
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........

I'll bite. My name is Jason Kendrick and I live in the southwestern
part of Iowa. I'm 27, have a loving wife (who understands my need to
store more FE parts than my local salvage yard in the garage), and two
beautiful daughters, ages two and a half, and almost nine months.
I drive an old worn out 1970 F100 Custom 390/C6. It's got over 170,000
reliable miles, and it still averages around 15 mpg. I like driving my
truck, working on it, collecting parts for it (whether I need them or
not!), and looking at other old Fords. And of course, this list! I've
met some of the best people here! I also like drag racing, hunting,
fishing, and of couse, hauling Ch*vys on a trailer behind my Ford!
Anyway, enough about me, how about the rest of you?

Jason Kendrick 390FE
Bad4dFilly aol.com wrote:
>
> Hi guys! I was just thinkin, we all write back and forth to eachother like
> there is no tomorrow, but I hardly know the majority of the members on the
> list So how bout this, for those of ya who
> wanna, can ya tell me a lil about yourselves?
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:02:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Ballinger
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: - Valves v. Rings, '75 390



>I'd do what you are inclined to do: pull the heads
>and have them done.
>When they're off you can inspect the cylinder walls
>for wear and ridge.
>If you later develop excessive oil use, you could
then >do the full
>rebuild of the lower end.

>Just my 25 cents . . .

I agree also, and what you should look at are a couple
of things. Is this engine original to the truck? It
could have been swapped in from a truck with higher
mileage.

Valve recession is a major issue with these engines.
They didn't have hardened exhaust seats. If you are
running 87 octane the flat-a** timing settings you'd
have to run will cause elevated temperatures on the
exhuast side of the of the combustion cycle. Good for
emmisions, bad for the seats and valves. The exhaust
manifolds hold way too much heat in the head. This
will cause valve failure. If you pull them, have
hardened seats, new springs, retainers, and keepers,
and new exhaust valves put in. And use Fel-Pro
Permatorque gaskets.

My suggestions would include checking the bore wear,
the piston condition. Think about the oil consumption
at the present, how much it's leaking oil, etc.
Sometimes it's just better to pull it and go through
it.

If it has any blow-by or is leaking very much oil I'd
yank it and rebuild it, myself. If it doesn't and it
isn't I'd just do the heads. But I would take the
opportunity to install a 4 bbl intake and a good carb
with a set of headers and 2 1/2 duals. You shouldn't
have cats, and the extra fuel and exhaust are really
good for this engine. You won't believe it's the same
engine.

__________________________________________________
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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:58:37 -0400
From: joe delaurentis
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........

Ok, I'll jump in...
I'm Joe DeLaurentis, I'm 31, married and waiting for my first child come
Feb!!!My
passion is a 1968 F-100 that is going through major re-do...
I am a diehard nut for the 67-72 Fords and thats why I devoted my web page to
them, I too am a scavanger of parts(I use to be able to put a vehicle in the
garage)
it seems that the parts multiply, thank goodness for an understanding wife! I
also
have the dreaded disease of I really shouldn't throw this part out, somebody
might
need it on the list...Sound familiar?????I also enjoy Football,Ford
Mustangs(Have a 69 stashed away at the parents house)thats another story, and of
course beating
Brand X at anything.....thanks for listening
Joe

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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 18:02:35 -0900
From: "4Travis"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - LIST #423

I didn't recieve list #423 either that or my wife or kids must have deleted
it. Any chance I can get it sent to me after the fact?



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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:13:10 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........

Ok...Ok...

> > FULL NAME: Bill Beyer...NKA (No Known Alias)
> > BIRTHPLACE: Berzerkly Calif....explains a lot doesn't it?
> > HOMETOWN: La Center, WA and no I don't know how it got that stupid name!
> > CROUTONS OR BACON BITS: Bacon bits...croutons are nothing but stale
bread!
> > FAVORITE SALAD DRESSING: Bleu Cheese but only in restaurants, the stuff
you buy in the store sucks.
> > DO YOU DRINK? Often...
> > DRINK WHAT? Beer, Whisky, Beer, Coke, Beer and Coffee...did I mention
Beer?
> > HAVE HAD YOUR APPENDIX AND TONSILS REMOVED? Nope...
> > SHAMPOO OR CONDITIONER: Ya gotta have hair to need shampoo...at least on
your head.
> > HAVE YOU EVER GONE SKINNY-DIPPING: I don't really want to be responsible
for that particular mental picture.
> > HAVE YOU EVER BEEN CONVICTED OF A CRIME: It ain't a crime if you don't
get caught...
> > BEST ON-LINE FRIENDS: C'mon I'm not that pathetic!
> > ONE PILLOW OR TWO: 2 extra firm...same for the pillows
> > PETS: Yo quiero Taco bell!
> > FAVORITE TYPES OF MUSIC: Classic Rock-n-Roll, Jimmy Buffett, Big Band &
Swing
> > DREAM CAR: Real 427 Cobra
> > TYPE OF CAR YOU DRIVE NOW: 1979 Ford F250 4x4 soon to be sporting new
& improved 400
> > FAVORITE TOOTHPASTE: Toothpaste is a necessary evil...it doesn't deserve
any favors
> > FAVORITE FOOD: Artichokes...I could eat those stupid thistles every day!
> > DO YOU GET ALONG WITH YOUR PARENT(S):Yep
> > FAVORITE PLACE TO VISIT: Maui
> > FAVORITE ICE CREAM: Not a big ice cream fan
> > FAVORITE SOFT DRINK: See DRINK WHAT?
> > FAVORITE TYPE OF FAMILY GAME TO PLAY: Myst
> > WHAT IS YOUR BAD TIME OF DAY: 1st thing in the am
> > FAVORITE TIME OF YEAR: Summer when it doesn't get dark 'til 9:00
> > ADIDAS, NIKE, OR REEBOK: Aren't they all the same?
> > FAVORITE PERFUME OR COLOGNE: Whatever she's wearing in all the right
places...
> > FAVORITE SUBJECT IN SCHOOL: auto shop
> > LEAST FAVORITE SUBJECT: Chemistry
> > FAVORITE TV SHOW: Home Improvement, NASCAR racing
> > FAVORITE MOVIE OF ALL TIME: Blazing Saddles
> > FAVORITE BOOK OF ALL TIME: Sherlock Holmes all of 'em
> > FAVORITE SPORT TO WATCH: Whatevers on ESPN, ESPN2 or FSN
> > ANYTHING "DIFFERENT" ABOUT YOU: I only like to get dirty for fun...for
work it sucks.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Jason & Kathy Kendrick
To:
Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........


> Anyway, enough about me, how about the rest of you?
>
> Jason Kendrick 390FE
> Bad4dFilly aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Hi guys! I was just thinkin, we all write back and forth to eachother
like
> > there is no tomorrow, but I hardly know the majority of the members on
the
> > list So how bout this, for those of ya who
> > wanna, can ya tell me a lil about yourselves?



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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:16:25 -0800
From: "S.Harkema"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rad. cap/FE valve adjustment?Vandalizing scum bags

>I saw a rad.cap with a sacrifical anode attached to it at a locaL parts
>store.Packaging states it cures any electrolysis problems.For $12 I
>might try one

>That's an interesting idea... water heaters have used them for
>decades.
> What brand was it? I'd be tempted to buy one if they're not hideously
>expensive...

Don't know the brand,but the next time I'm down there I'll buy one and
let you know.


> I have a question on bleeding down the lifters to adjust the valves.
> What do I use to bleed them down? Can't locate the proper
> tool, the tool
> stores keep trying to sell me valve spring compressors.Tryed the
> channel-lock method described in Christ's book with limited success.
> Any ideas?

>Why do you need to bleed them down for adjustment?
> Usually you have to pump
>them up by hand before installing them so they will pump up properly. >Never heard of bleeding them?

That makes us even.I never heard of pumping them up:)
I need to collapse the lifters and check the clearance between the
valves and rockers.FEs use different length pushrods to set valve
clearance.

I'm sure one of the FE fans out there can help me out wih this tool
situation.

>the perp(s) didn't try to enter the van, he (they?) simply
>smashed my windshield and threw a rock through the back window.

A off brand I used to own left me stranded so I walked home.Came
back the next morning and someone had broke into it,took one of my steel
toed boots out of the back seat and stuck it through my windshield.

>I'm sure that everyone knows how I feel about this. You really develop >a love for the vehicle you drive, and to see it smashed up for no >apparent reason really hits you hard. >:^(

I can imagine how you feel,I was madder than a hornet to find my boot
sticking out of my windshield and I hated that off brand piece of junk.
If I could of found the piece of scum I would of found a place to stick
the other boot.
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 22:20:13 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: New store items

The Ford Truck Enthusiasts online store has been updated
with an additional 122 products. We now carry Continental
Accessories (including TubeTreads), Westin Step Bars,
SportWing and Muth products. These products cover most
new Ford trucks and SUVs and many of the older trucks.

Check it out! The store enables us to continue to offer
the free web and mailing list services.

Now returning you to our regularly scheduled program....

Ken Payne
Admin

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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:16:17 -0800
From: "Pat"
Subject: Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: prolonging life in old trucks

Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 00:07:42 EST
From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: prolonging life in old trucks

In a message dated 11/18/1999 11:18:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,
serian flashmail.com writes:

>
> >I fail to understand WHY people wish to run the S--- out
> >of their trucks, when it's obvious that they need serious work.
> >Problem is: It takes serious money to rebuild old, worn equipment
> >and is generally NOT worth time unless, you have some "personal"
> >love of the vehicle. That's why they make NEW trucks, to replace
> >the old. If one can't afford to fix-it, then buy something you don't
> >have to fix! "G
>
> We keep our old trucks because we like them better :-)
>
> I would rather have and drive a 20+ year old truck that I have
> maintained and know every part of it than have some new
> overcomputerized, underbuilt unit that has a strange underhood
> conglomeration that it takes a Ph.D in electromechanical theory
> to even begin to comprehend. Other people might prefer to trade
> in every few years, but for me, I'll keep driving my old classics !
> Easy to work on, simple to understand, and at most, minimal
> electronic control stuff.
>
>
Not to mention - They drag the new stuff round real good also!

I had a coworker with a 96 Tahao razzing me about my '79 Bronco. a "P.O.S."
he called it. Bragging about his 4 wheel antilock brakes (like he can go
fast
enough to us em in a ch##bie). Finally challenged him and told him no matter
what he did I could drag his truck anywhere any time to which he denied!
Well
after work, I broke out the tow chain and we hooked em up, he stomped on
them
brakes and around the parking lot he got drug! Yea, it was more work than
the
50' felled log I pulled, but still, oh so rewarding to know the he couldn't
stop me!

Gotta love that one. Would have paid $10.00 to have watched it happen
and then to see the look on his face.
Patsplace
> >78 F150
> >76 F250 4x4
> >79 F250 4x4 under construction >





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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:25:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Ballinger
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ford Rancheros

>I am the more or less happy owner of a 1974 Ford
>Ranchero with a 302
>engine. I
>am in the process of restoring it. I also own a 79
318 >BMW and a 1972
>Triumph
>Bonneville.

I had a '70 Ranchero GT with a 351C 2V. I put a 600
CFM circle-track carb with a 2 inch spacer on it ( I
had to open up the non functional hood scoop and pack
it with foam to keep the water out) and 1 3/4 headers
with 2 1/2 inch pipes that exited in front of the back
wheels. I packed the plenum full of rags and drilled
the carb holes out to match the carb. Took a magnet
and picked up all of the filings, ah the energy of
youth. It ran pretty good, and I always liked the
looks of them. I traded it for a '67 Mustang
Fastback.
__________________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:00:19 -0800
From: Tim Bowman
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Stu's Engine Firing?

Has anyone heard how Stu's firing of his rebuilt (or should I say
remanufactured to original equipment specifications) '71 engine went? I
haven't seen anything on the list.

- --
Tim Bowman
Burien, WA
tkbowman uswest.net


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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:08:58 -0800
From: Tim Bowman
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Steve & the Rockette's reply

But what about the talking Taco Bell Dogs? We have a couple of sets.
I, too, have my FT along with 4 other FOMCO collectibles.

Tim

Scott wrote:
As a "Male" I collect or have possession of figurines, Beanie Babies,
books, magazines, antiques, presidential buttons, quilts, spoons, Disney

stuff, and humble fridge magnets. I also have the Burger King "Toy
Story"
Woody and Buzz and RC toys and I still can't pass a Chevron when they
have a
new car out ( I have them all!). I also have my male treasures too,
(FTE
Content) i.e.: a wood covered coil off a model T! Closet Collectors
unite!

Scott Bradley
1966 F-100 Shortbox 351C

This was written in love, for collecting and in humor :-)




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Tim Bowman
Burien, WA
tkbowman uswest.net


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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 22:54:31 EST
From: WEDIVE247 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 Price

In a message dated 11/19/1999 1:30:02 AM EST, theodore ford-trucks.com writes:

>
In Bob's F-100's catalog you can get a motor mount cross member kit (I think
) with mounts for about $120.00 . The rest is up to you . My 64 wasn't too
bad to put the 460 into , and thats the kit I used . Good luck with your
project .

Steve 64 f-100
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 20:07:41 -0800
From: Marv Miller
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Opinions

Sandi wrrote:
> I will, from now on, keep my personal opinions to myself.

Now, wait a minute! Your personal opinions are absolutely welcome here.
Those of the rest of us are. So, too, are yours. Especially those about
"Old Ford Trucks". (Content)

- -M-

Marv Miller mailto:ae722 lafn.org
"Striving to be the person
that my dog thinks I am".
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 04:06:21 +0000 (GMT)
From: David Henderson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........

Lisa and the list:

I'm David Henderson, 28, married with no kids, but one dog (blue=20
heeler named 'Mi Hija') and one cat (mixed breed named 'Claude'). I=20
have a Bachelor of Science in Animal Science from Texas A&M University=20
(1993) and a Master of Science in Animal Science (Animal=20
Breeding/Genetics) from South Dakota State University (1996). =20
Currently, I am working on a Ph.D. in Statistical Genetics at Virginia=20
Polytechnic Institute and State University (will graduate in 2001). I=20
enjoy fishing, hunting, working on my F-250 and, of course, working=20
with cattle and genetics/statistics.

As for the Ford content, I have owned a 1985 F-250 super-cab longbed=20
with a 460 (4x2), a 1977 F-150 Ranger 4x4, a 1989 F-250 7.3l diesel=20
4x4, and now a 1979 F-250 4x4 with a 300 I6.

Lisa, when you start planning on which college to go to, please e-mail=20
me and I will try to answer your questions about different schools ag=20
programs. In agriculture, it will make a big difference in the kind=20
of job you get as to which school you attend.

Dave H

- --=20
_
_| ~~. David Henderson
\, _} DHenders VT.Edu
\( Gig 'em Aggies! '93
Beat t.u.!!
(That small non-significant liberal arts school in Austin,
or that small slum area beside the capitol)

Currently at:
Interdepartmental Genetics Program
2010 Litton Reaves Hall
Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
Blacksburg, VA 24061
(540)231-4773
(540)231-5014
DHenders VT.Edu
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 23:31:21 EST
From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:prolonging life in old trucks

In a message dated 11/19/1999 10:44:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,
schaefer plastekgroup.com writes:

> and partial floors. Other than that the body is in great shape. Gotta
love
> those trucks. Gotta love the fact all of those "new" trucks call me to
hual
> there broken trucks to the dealer ships in order for there
> "warranty" work. Long live the old Ford trucks.
>

I agree. Gotta love em. The wildest sight I ever saw speaking of hauling was
with my old Red & White '73 F100. Had some troubles and needed a tow for 50
miles back to the home. Got my buddy to pull me (with tow bar from u-haul)
with his Red & White 75 F100. What a color coordinated match. Wish I had a
camera to capture the looks as we went down the freeway!

The other neat part was my keys would work in his truck, but his wouldn't in
mine! Found that out when I confused his truck for mine after work one day.
Didn't know till I had it running - The Radio was different from mine!

George
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 00:13:52 EST
From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........

OK, Ill Join in here also.
Im George, 41 Married with 3 Girls, one 15, 10 & 7. Ive got 3 fords right now
- - a 92 E150 Hightop Conversion van. Gots to have some room (and the TV/VCR
help too) for hauling the family from our Home in Orlando out to Grandma's in
Ca and back. It replaced the previous family mover a '91 Taurus which I still
have. Nothing fancy but with '91k and only major part replaced being the
water pump - Its been a very reliable car. Shoot, it's still got the original
rear brake pads! Finally, is the love of my life (good thing she didn't see
me type that ;-)) is my Brown & Cream '79 Bronco w a 400 & C6. I got it in
'84 with 56k. It's now got 174k on it. It's also been very reliable over the
years and has never failed to get me home though mater how sick it was (Miami
to Orlando with 0 PSI indicated on stock oil gauge and valves clattering the
entire way). It's in fair shape though it's beginning to show it's age.
Hopefully this year I can begin turning my attentions to the Body & Interior
now that the driveline has recovered from the Miami trip. Ive still got the
original 400 & C6 which Im dreaming about something like the Hotrod article
type build up. Right now it's rather mild. Stock internals, Headers, Duals,
Weiand Stealth intake with 600 Holly squarebore & Vac Sec.
Ive owned mostly all fords over the years. My first was a '73 F100 with a 302
& C4. It's where I learned most of my refined amateur mechanic skills. Also
had a '69 Mustang fastback which I traded for my Bronco. I did have a 88
Grand Am for a while. A fun car but sold it after 3 yrs for the Taurus. I do
mostly computer type work with trainers & simulators and have a USAF
background in Avionics & Electronics. When Im not working on the Fords, Im
working on the house, or something else.

Well, that's my rambling.


In a message dated 11/19/1999 6:54:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Bad4dFilly aol.com writes:

> Hi guys! I was just thinkin, we all write back and forth to eachother like
> there is no tomorrow, but I hardly know the majority of the members on the
> list So how bout this, for those of ya who
> wanna, can ya tell me a lil about yourselves? I
> mean just general stuff,not too personal, like maybe how old ya are, where
> ya
> live, if you're married, have kids, what ya do for a livin and what ya
like
> to do in your spare time. Does that sound cool? I guess since it was my
idea,
>
> I'll start off. Well, by now y'all know my personality. *giggle* I'm 17
> Will
> be 18 in May> I'm a senior I plan to do something agricultural
> related next year in college. I live in Southern California
> minutes
> from downtown LA, but it ain't far enough! LOL> I am NOT married, although
I
>
> have a totally awesome boyfriend
I
>
> wouldn't dissapoint y'all!> In my spare time I like to do "cowgirl stuff"
> LOL
> I an in F.F.A and I have a steer named
"Duelly"
> and a dairy heifer named "Harley"
I
>
> like to ride horses, go to rodeos, go line dancin, go fishin with my
grandpa,
>
> go to drag races with my dad and I hate to shop!
Barn!>
>
> LOL And most of all, my favorite thing to do
> listed above> is cruise in my baby "Envy!"
> 4x4> and try not to get picked up by gardeners or truck drivers *shiver*
LOL
>
> OK I've said enough about me, hope to get to know y'all better soon! Bye!
>
> *~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
> *~*~Silly boys...trucks are for GIRLS~*~*
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 00:45:27 -0500
From: "Phil / Debi"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL MO' INFO.........

Hello all,

I'm Phil, I'm 31, I have been on the list for quite awhile, been mostly
just listening and learning. I have several Ford trucks. A 66 F100 390 C6
that I am restoring, still in the disassembly stage. A 69 F250 camper
special parts truck, A 70 F100 short stepside 390 4 spd. 79 F250 4x4 400 C6.
91 F150 4x4 300 6 cyl mazda 5 spd, hope to install the ZF 5 spd as soon as I
find one. Have always been into Ford trucks. Would there be anybody in the
Pittsburgh PA area that would be interested in meeting for breakfast and
talking Ford trucks? I like the idea that some of you out in Washington get
together, there seems to not be too many Ford fans around here.

Phil Beattie
66 F100
70 F100
79 F250 4x4
91 F150 4x4
www.geocities.com/imstobu

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 00:33:46 -0600
From: Craig Cantrell
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 9" ID

Close Tom, actually 28 and 31 spline.

"Hogan, Tom" wrote:

>
>
> >Rollie, once you've found the 9"er, be advised there are a couple of
> >different axles used. I believe most cars/early trucks use a 20-something
> >spline axle, later trucks use 30-something spline. Lower gear ratios
> >(higher numerics) may also use a different carrier (thing ring gear
> >is bolted to) due to the different gear thickness. Disc brake
> >9" rear ends can be found under Lincolns and big Mercasauris wagons.
> --
>
> 28 and 32 spline.

- --
Craig
- --
1997 Cobra Convertible--#2149
"Naw Jaw"--Pacific Green/Saddle/Saddle
President, South Central Kansas Mustang Club....


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