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61-79-list-digest Friday, November 19 1999 Volume 03 : Number 424



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - 4 inner fenders installed ready for winter
Re: FTE 61-79 - Bashing
Re: FTE 61-79 - old vs new
RE: FTE 61-79 - Prolonging death 351/Steve's sermon
FTE 61-79 - Prolonging death 351/steves sermon
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: "Man Bashing"
FTE 61-79 - Bashing backlash apology
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE intake and lifters
Re: FTE 61-79 - Question on 390 rocker shaft
Re: FTE 61-79 - Question on 390 rocker shaft
FTE 61-79 - Re: Ranchero !
FTE 61-79 - bashing
RE: FTE 61-79 - Bashing?
FTE 61-79 - Re: prolonging life in old trucks
QRE: FTE 61-79 - Question on 390 rocker shaft
Re: FTE 61-79 - Bashing backlash apology
FTE 61-79 - putting the intake back on
RE: FTE 61-79 - prolonging life in old trucks.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Newbie - intro
Re: FTE 61-79 - Question on 390 rocker shaft
Re: FTE 61-79 - grille for 78-79
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: prolonging life in old trucks
FTE 61-79 - 460 Price
Re: QRE: FTE 61-79 - Question on 390 rocker shaft
Re: FTE 61-79 - prolonging life in old trucks.
FTE 61-79 - Valves v. Rings, '75 390
FTE 61-79 - Too serious :-( too fun :-)

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:03:01 -0600
From: Kirk Baillie
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 4 inner fenders installed ready for winter

Just thought I would let you know about my latest idea that I just
completed. Have any of you guys thought about modifing a set of front
plastic inner fenders and putting them in the rear. It will sure stop
the snow, mud water and salt from getting in between the double layer of
sheetmetal in the sides of the bed (why did they start that double wall
crap anyway?) Well that is what I did today along with putting a set up
front also. I takes a little bitt of trimming a fabrication but it was
worth it since i just finished all the body work on my F250 4x4 this
summer.

Kirk Baillie
74 F250 4X4 highboy
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:57:13 -0800 (PST)
From: canzus seanet.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Bashing

At 10:51 AM 18:11:99 -0500, am14 daimlerchrysler.com wrote:>

>
>I was a single parent of 3 very small children for 7 years and I know how to
>keep house. I cook - I clean - I regularly do the washing - I mop - I dust - I
>make up the bed. I do these things because I want to. I learned after I lost
>my 1st wife, that "womans work" is not fun and it takes a certain amount of
>talent to do it effeciently and thourough. I wouldn't trade my job for
what is
>referred to as "womans work" for anything.

I wasn't a single parent, But I do everything else. I was a well paid youth,
I worked in a piece shop, I got paid for every piece I made, Being young
and stupid, I was running 3 or 4 Bridgeport CNC mills at the same time. I had
to learn how to keep house, which I did with alarming frequency. My Mother
taught me well. I have a great deal of respect for "Non wage earning" women.
Rockette also claims that I'm a better cook.

>Steve and Rockette seem to have a very similar arrangement. Ain't it
>great!!!!!!

You are correct, Azie. I get to cook the meals that matter, SWMBO
doesn't argue, sometimes, I let her mash the spuds....
Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
97 Contour, Mine

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:57:15 -0800 (PST)
From: canzus seanet.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - old vs new

At 10:14 AM 18:11:99 -0600, John LaGrone wrote:

>Yep. I missed the insurance part. Another reason I drive old cars. No
>collision, no weather related (used to be called Comprehensive). Liability
>is cheap if you have a spotless record. I pay $400 a year for the entire
>fleet.
>

You must be *really* old, my insurance for the fleet runs $400 a month,
as we drive all the vehicles regularly, Altho the MG is in need of a total
restoration, and the 73 Capri needs a brake job, and the 72 Capri needs
an engine rebuild, and the 63 needs an exhaust, and, and.......

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
97 Contour, Mine

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:53:13 -0800
From: djohnson lem10.med.navy.mil (Douglas Johnson)
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Prolonging death 351/Steve's sermon

>I have been reading, without pleasure, all of your digs at women..not just
>Gary, but William Whited and Dennis Pearson and the rest of you "guys"

Wow, I object to that generalized "dig"...

Sandi, I'm sorry you took such offense. Notice I say sorry "you" took
offense. I hope that this experience will not cause you to stop following
the list, but isn't there a more appropriate manner to redress your
complaint than this? Being a "man" I can find no malice or insult in the
previous posts until yours. I think what we need is a trusted and level
opinion. Lisa, what do you an Envy say about this? Or the rest of the ladies
out there?

Doug "Doc" Johnson
64 F100, 360, C6, DANA 60 REAR!!!
"Behind every live Marine is a good Corpsman..."

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:58:31 -0800
From: "Pat"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Prolonging death 351/steves sermon

> >If you can't understand why people run the s**t out of their vehicles
and
> >then bitch about having to fix them you probably don't enjoy hanging
around
> >garages covered in grease. It seems to go with the territory of owning
old
> >trucks and getting on them now and again.
> >Patsplace
> >78 F150
> >76 F250 4x4
> >79 F250 4x4 under construction >


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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:14:18 EST
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: "Man Bashing"

WOW! What did I miss? *Scratches her head* I think that is REALLY cool that
that lady who wrote the post can fix cars, fence and drive tractors, but
bashing is really immature and unnecessary. As all of the people on the list
can attest too, I like to get my fair share of digs into the guys,
girl, whatcha expect?> but I NEVER start anything I can't handle. There is a
huge difference between bashing
down> and just kiddin around
computer screen catches themselves smilin, even if it's just for a split
second> Do you understand where I am coming from? Just my $.02
say LOL>
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:26:58 -0800
From: Bird Sandi M CNFB
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bashing backlash apology

by popular request, I hereby submit my most humblest apologies regarding my,
evidently erroneous, assumption that some of you were women bashing.

and, as was pointed out to me, I was just as guilty of male bashing, so I
also apologize for that.

In the defense of myself and most women, I'd like to add:

The statements that flew up and made me go ballistic were:

"They (women) don't see the big picture...."
"Women don't seem to see the economic side of the issue..."
"This concept is another one women have trouble with"
"Women collect stuff thats nice to look at but has no usefull purpose. Men
collect stuff they can use."

had the author substituted "my significant other" for "women", I'd have had
no heartburn over the statements, but to generalize (which I was also guilty
of) set me off.

This is still a "man's" world. And I've been working in this man's world
for 30 years and whether you want to believe it or not, when it comes to
anything other than the household, most men still think that women don't
know, don't care, don't understand, and can't do...and that just isn't true
or fair.

Blatant example. Consumer Affairs/Guide will tell you that women get ripped
off at auto repair shops because the mechanics "know" that women don't know
anything and they (Consumer Affairs/Guide) have gone so far as to advise
women to take a male with them when getting a vehicle repaired - to avoid
being ripped off - and that just incenses me. But what incenses me more is
that it's true and I've experienced it and so have most women.

And, I'd just gotten "taken to the cleaners" by the only shop around that
specializes in Old Ford trucks when I had to have them repair something I
couldn't. Yes, it's true, if I led you to believe I can do it all, I can't.

so I guess the timing was just bad...

again,
my apologies
I will, from now on, keep my personal opinions to myself.

respectfully,
california, love my 65, Sandi

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:15:03 -0600
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE intake and lifters

Go to any boat store (marina), and you can buy zincs. They
electrochemically sacrafice themselves by channeling the corrosion
through the zinc because the zinc is less structurally stable than iron
or aluminum.

Jason Kendrick

S.Harkema wrote:
>
> >I've read on this list of problems with the
> >antifreeze electrolysis disadvantage, but have not seen any illeffects >of it personally.
>
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:29:28 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Question on 390 rocker shaft

> Group are all the bolts supposed to be the same length that hold the
> rocker
> shafts to the heads on a 390??????
>
> --
> Joe
............

No, they are not the same. One of the bolts has is a different length
than the other three, and has a tapered neck as well. This bolt must be
placed in the proper hole in order for oil to get to the rocker shaft. One
of the two center holes (on the head) where the shaft mounts has a beveled
edge, this is where to place the special bolt.

Danger
danger csolutions.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.csolutions.net/myth/


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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:28:15 -0600
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Question on 390 rocker shaft

Joe, in answer to your question, no, the bolts are not the same length,
except for the hugh riser 427. Except for the 427, there are two longer,
necked down bolts that go in the counter-bored rocker shaft holes. These
would be the second hole from the front on the left shaft, and the
second hole fron the rear on the right shaft.

Jason Kendrick


joe delaurentis wrote:
>
> Group are all the bolts supposed to be the same length that hold the
> rocker
> shafts to the heads on a 390??????
>
> --
> Joe
> 68 4x4 390 c6- Np 205 Dana 44 with Disc Brakes,
> Since Ford Didn't build em this way in 68, I'll make my own!
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:49:43 -0500
From: "Serian"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Ranchero !

> I am the more or less happy owner of a 1974 Ford Ranchero with
> a 302 engine. I am in the process of restoring it.

> I have not yet driven the Ranchero, but I hope I will in spring at
> some point. I think it has a blown cylinder head gasket. It does
> not run on one of the cylinders,

Check your spark plugs and spark plug wires ... they often will
wear out before head gaskets. Also, look for oil in the cooling
system and coolant in the crankcase ... either of those symptoms
indicate a likely blown head gasket, but misfiring on only one
cylinder is not necessarily a burnt head gasket.

> and generates quite a lot of pressure in the cooling system.

It gets quite hot ? That is the most likely cause of this symptom,
probably due to the extra engine load and fuel consumption of
having a misfiring cylinder and/or low coolant levels. Fill your
cooling system to full, and let it set for a while with a big sheet
of cardboard under the car to check for leaks :-)

> Further, it had been standing for a year or so when I bought it,
> and it had lost all the fluid in the tranny.

This is not quite normal ... check the transmission pan for cracks
or holes, and replace the pan gasket (you likely have a C4 or a
FMX type transmission)

> The standard fan has been replaced by two ugly home-adapted
> electric fans. Should I junk them and install the standard fan again?

This depends on what you want for your car ... if the home-brew
setup works to keep it cool, and you don't care otherwise, there is
no need to do so. Persoanlly, i would put a stock fan or an aftermarket
clutched fan on it, though, just to be sure that it theoretically has the
proper airflow for the engine.

> What is the status of the Ranchero in USA. Is it just a piece of junk?

Like any other vehicle, it depends a lot on how well the vehicle was
maintained and repaired. The Ranchero isn't a very popular car
around where I live ... I've only ever seen one yet on the road in
this part of Pennsylvania.

> (like the Ford Sierra Pick-up is in Denmark).

Ford Sierra ? I thought GMC made the Sierra ?

> I am not familiar with the terms "small truck" etc. Is the Ranchero
> a "small truck"?

The Ranchero is somewhat of a hybrid between a sedan and a
pickup. I am not sure what the "official" designation of it is, but
it isn't quite the traditional truck.

> The engine is a 302. What is the performance of that engine in
> such a heavy car?

The 302 is a decent engine, and has good aftermarket parts
availability. A stock 302 will get the car wherever you want to
make it go (within reason), and won't bog down too much on
hills. With the right combination of aftermarket parts, and the
time and effort of custom building your 302, you can probably
fine-tune it to do just about anything.

> The exhaust is rusted, and it came with a set of spare headers
> (not of any specific brand I think.) Should I install the headers
> along with some sort of semi-performance system, or are there
> any other minor changes to up performance a little which I can
> carry out while it is still in the shed, without taking too much apart?

While I don't do much with performance building of engines, you
came to the right list with this one ... lots of listmembers here can
give you all kinds of advice and opinions for what you can do to
beef up your engine.

> Sorry about all the questions. I have ordered the book _Ford
> Pickups and Broncos 1973-1979 repair manual_

hmm ... I dont think this will have your specific vehicle in it ... The
Ranchero was built on the Torino frame, and many of its parts are
interchangeable with the Torino (sedan). Having a truck repair manual
is a good thing however, since you might just find a pickup or bronco
that you like enough to buy :-) You might want to look for the repair
manual for the Torino/Ranchero/Montego series of cars.




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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:41:18 -0600
From: "Bob & Becky Elliott"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - bashing

I think it is time to quit commenting one way or the other and get on with
life.Bob

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:07:23 -0700
From: "Bertolin"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Bashing?

Sandi, I don't know how long you've been on the list but if it's been a
short period of time, my recommendation would be to stick with it. The
recent thread is not the usual for this list. There are a great bunch of
folks on this list of both genders. I too have a great, almost all original
1965 F-100 custom cab. I have always loved classic trucks. As a child, I
would "help" my dad do all the work on his Fords. To this day, I prefer
being out in the garage or outside "playing" with fixing my truck, doing my
own landscaping in the very hard desert soil, installing my own irrigation
system etc. Just thinking of cooking a Thanksgiving turkey stresses me out.
I ended up in a bad marriage and following a divorce years ago, never
managed to find someone I couldn't live with out so have learned to fend for
myself. I've been on this list for over a year and have learned a lot during
that time. While I mostly lurk, if I have a problem with my truck that I
can't solve, I ask and have always received a wealth of helpful information.
In more recent months, I've had the oil changes, brake job etc done by a
mechanic that I've found I can trust but that's more related to issues of
time and lack of tools than my ability. When I quit working such a hectic
job, I plan to do more of this stuff myself. It's nice to know there's
another lady that loves her '65. My truck doesn't have near the number of
miles yours has on it but it's still going strong with it's baby 240 I-6 and
3 on tree. I hope the little 240 will make it for another 100K. I don't
mean to keep this thread going but I was behind on plowing through my e-mail
and felt I needed to give me 2 cents. Roberta with 1965 custom cab

Sandi wrote:
> > I have been reading, without pleasure, all of your digs at
> > women.. clip, clip


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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:15:18 -0500
From: "Serian"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: prolonging life in old trucks

>I fail to understand WHY people wish to run the S--- out
>of their trucks, when it's obvious that they need serious work.
>Problem is: It takes serious money to rebuild old, worn equipment
>and is generally NOT worth time unless, you have some "personal"
>love of the vehicle. That's why they make NEW trucks, to replace
>the old. If one can't afford to fix-it, then buy something you don't
>have to fix! "G

We keep our old trucks because we like them better :-)

I would rather have and drive a 20+ year old truck that I have
maintained and know every part of it than have some new
overcomputerized, underbuilt unit that has a strange underhood
conglomeration that it takes a Ph.D in electromechanical theory
to even begin to comprehend. Other people might prefer to trade
in every few years, but for me, I'll keep driving my old classics !
Easy to work on, simple to understand, and at most, minimal
electronic control stuff.



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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:17:53 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: QRE: FTE 61-79 - Question on 390 rocker shaft

NO!! One is of a different length to control oil flow to the rockers. I
can't remember which one or if it is longer or shorter but I think it was in
the middle of the shaft. Warning, the different bolt is not much different
at all. If you haven't torn into it yet it would be a good idea to punch
some holes into the bottom of a cardboard box and lable the holes to keep
track of where the bolts went in the motor.

tom h

- -----Original Message-----
From: joe delaurentis [mailto:shoman p3.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 4:54 PM
To: truck list
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Question on 390 rocker shaft


Group are all the bolts supposed to be the same length that hold the
rocker
shafts to the heads on a 390??????

- --
Joe
68 4x4 390 c6- Np 205 Dana 44 with Disc Brakes,
Since Ford Didn't build em this way in 68, I'll make my own!


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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:20:37 -0800 (PST)
From: canzus seanet.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Bashing backlash apology

At 06:26 PM 18:11:99 -0800, Bird Sandi M CNFB wrote:
Taken out of context:
>"Women collect stuff thats nice to look at but has no usefull purpose. Men
>collect stuff they can use."
>

Rockette said this to a dear friend, who collected statuary ( little ceramic
figurines), because her husband collected what she thought of as junk. The
problem was, Rockette could see the value of the so called junk. Women
"GENERALLY" collect nice to look at stuff. Tell me you don't have fluffy
toilet covers, vases, figurines, Anri statues, Hummels, Tins, Plastic Horses,
Beanie Babies, Barbie dolls, rag dolls, books, magazines, toy soldiers, rugs,
antiques, horse tack, saddles, presidential buttons, doilies, plates, stuffed
animals, velvet Elvises, afgans, quilts, pillows, candles, jewelry, spoons,
Disney glasses, beer steins, or americana knick knacks, including lawn
ornamentation, flamingos, elves, deer, oh and lets not forget the humble
fridge magnets, that hold you childrens "art".

I have a feeling you're a "Closet Collector". Much like my mother-in-law, who
collects shoes, clothing and purses. Along with the usual collector stuff......

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
97 Contour, Mine

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:20:42 -0500
From: "Serian"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - putting the intake back on

> Only problems with the actual manifold is that there is not a hole in it
> for the alinment pin that sticks out of the front of the block and it
> does not have pushrod guide holes in it like the stock intake.

The method I use for lining up the intake manifold where it is supposed
to be is that I screw one of the carburetor mount studs into the head
where one of the intake attaching bolts normally goes, and slide the
intake down that into position. It works on the Windsor block series,
maybe it would work on the FE too ?


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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:37:40 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - prolonging life in old trucks.


>

My condolences on the loss of your father. That is a terrible thing to have
happen.


>BTW: What about alternatives to gas/deisel engines in classics.
>Propane conversion? Can it be done? What do you know about
>such things. Is it worth it even in new trucks/cars. Shouldn't we stop
>burning fossil fuels and stop polluting our air? I feel bad about driving
>a vehicle with such low mpg. It probably isn't nearly as efficient as
>modern engines. Last time I checked my 360 was getting 13mpg!
>maybe it was the stp gas treatment and 92 octane chevron.

Alternative fuel/power sources.
Propane
Compressed Natural Gas
Vegetable Cooking oil
Electric
Sawdust
Steam

Ok so I'm getting silly here but depending on what you want to spend will
tell how different you can be. Propane or LPG is a very possible
alternative and burns extremely clean. Clean enough to be used indoors in
forklifts etc. You lose a little power and have to have a place to mount
the bulky fuel tank (its a truck right? Lets see.....). Finding refueling
stations can be difficult depending on your area. It does run better when
the engine is cold. You don't have to choke the engine, the fuel vaporizes
instantly at atmospheric pressure.

In new cars you would have to remove massive amounts of electronics/fuel
injection hardware. Don't know if you want to tackle that.

On pollution, I think that we have taken cars about as clean as they are
going to get (actually I read it in a newspaper article) and now we need to
concentrate on the stationary polluters. Don't feel bad about your mileage.
It is at least as good as any new suv or pickup sold new today. Compare
like to like here. Full size heavy beast. Talked to a friend with a new
quintastar truck and he was getting 10 MPG!!! I get 13 in my 76 with a 390!
So don't think those modern engines are doing that great. In light duty
applications where you aren't hauling around 5000# of American Steel you
will get better mileage, but if you put one of those old motors in the same
situation it will get similar mileage.

If you're getting 13 from your 360 I wouldn't change a thing on it.



Daniel Olinick

>Ride your bike or walk or take mass transit whenever possible.
>Drive your truck for work(hauling/towing) or leisure only.
>commuting at 10 mpg just doesn't make sence.

>sorry about that rant but I want your opinions.

You do it your way, It AIN'T gonna be my way. Mostly due to personal
preference, but also due to situation (work, live in rural area--no mass
transit). Living in Maine global warming doesn't seem like such a bad idea.
;0).


Tom H.
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:43:49 EST
From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Newbie - intro

> Hi all.
>
> I am the more or less happy owner of a 1974 Ford Ranchero with a 302
engine.
> I
> am in the process of restoring it. I also own a 79 318 BMW and a 1972
> Triumph
> Bonneville.
>
> I live in Denmark. There are hardly any American cars here, and (because?)
> fuel
> is terribly expensive at about a dollar for a quarter of a gallon. I have
> previously owned a 1977 Chevy Malibu 350.
>
> I have not yet driven the Ranchero, but I hope I will in spring at some
> point.
> I think it has a blown cylinder head gasket. It does not run on one of the
> cylinders, and generates quite a lot of pressure in the cooling system.
> Further, it had been standing for a year or so when I bought it, and it had
> lost all the fluid in the tranny. The standard fan has been replaced by two
> ugly home-adapted electric fans. Should I junk them and install the
standard
> fan again?

I'd think it depends on what you want to do with the truck. If restoration is
in mind, and the parts are available, then yes. Otherwise, if it works you
might want to leave it alone until you need to and then change it over.
>
> What is the status of the Ranchero in USA. Is it just a piece of junk? (
> like
> the Ford Sierra Pick-up is in Denmark). I am not familiar with the terms
> "small
> truck" etc. Is the Ranchero a "small truck"?

I cant say they were junk. Those I know that had them liked them. They just
dont have much of a load capacity being more of a car chassis (built on the
Torrino chassis for your year).
>
> The engine is a 302. What is the performance of that engine in such a heavy
> car? The exhaust is rusted, and it came with a set of spare headers (not of
> any
> specific brand I think.) Should I install the headers along with some sort
> of
> semi-performance system, or are there any other minor changes to up
> performance
> a little which I can carry out while it is still in the shed, without
taking
> too much apart?

I know many who will say this is a good motor. Yes, it's small by our US V8
standards. But it will rev real good and make great power with the proper
parts. It's also real durable. Personally Ive put 30 miles on one with no
water and it survived! A 351 Cleveland would be real fun in your ranchero,
but with the right parts, the 302 can be just as much fun! Let it breath and
rev. That's what 302's like to do. Just dont expect stump pulling torque of a
460.
>

> Sorry about all the questions. I have ordered the book _Ford Pickups and
> Broncos 1973-1979 repair manual_
>
> Any comments are greatly appreciated. Thanks a lot guys (and girls!)
>
> Kind regards,
> Dennis Denmark
>

Well, those are my comments. Personally Ive always kinda liked the Rancheros
just never had one.

George
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:54:09 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Question on 390 rocker shaft

In a message dated 11/18/99 8:13:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, shoman p3.net
writes:


rocker
shafts to the heads on a 390??????
>>
No, the ones that fit in the oil supply holes are longer.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 00:07:10 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - grille for 78-79

still got that grille shell? i found a 3/4 ton front end out of a 75 ford,
4.10 gears ,it has drum brakes for 275.00.


jeff grant
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 00:07:42 EST
From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: prolonging life in old trucks

In a message dated 11/18/1999 11:18:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,
serian flashmail.com writes:

>
> >I fail to understand WHY people wish to run the S--- out
> >of their trucks, when it's obvious that they need serious work.
> >Problem is: It takes serious money to rebuild old, worn equipment
> >and is generally NOT worth time unless, you have some "personal"
> >love of the vehicle. That's why they make NEW trucks, to replace
> >the old. If one can't afford to fix-it, then buy something you don't
> >have to fix! "G
>
> We keep our old trucks because we like them better :-)
>
> I would rather have and drive a 20+ year old truck that I have
> maintained and know every part of it than have some new
> overcomputerized, underbuilt unit that has a strange underhood
> conglomeration that it takes a Ph.D in electromechanical theory
> to even begin to comprehend. Other people might prefer to trade
> in every few years, but for me, I'll keep driving my old classics !
> Easy to work on, simple to understand, and at most, minimal
> electronic control stuff.
>
>
Not to mention - They drag the new stuff round real good also!

I had a coworker with a 96 Tahao razzing me about my '79 Bronco. a "P.O.S."
he called it. Bragging about his 4 wheel antilock brakes (like he can go fast
enough to us em in a ch##bie). Finally challenged him and told him no matter
what he did I could drag his truck anywhere any time to which he denied! Well
after work, I broke out the tow chain and we hooked em up, he stomped on them
brakes and around the parking lot he got drug! Yea, it was more work than the
50' felled log I pulled, but still, oh so rewarding to know the he couldn't
stop me!

George
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 01:24:00 -0500
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 Price

Good morning all,
A guy at work has got a 460 and a c-6 tranny that he wants $300 for.
First off, is this a fair price? Second, he thinks it's out of an ' 83
Lincoln. Did they still put them in Lincolns in ' 83? Third, how hard of a
swap would it be to put it in my ' 64?
I guess he traded a D! #e Dart for it and was gonna put it in a '51
Panel truck that he's got. Come to find out it's way to heavy without a few
suspension mods.
I'm gonna be pulling the front end off my ' 64 next spring to do the
inner fenders and cab supports. I figure it would be the best time for a
swap. What all would I be up against?

Thanks for ANY input,

Ted Wnorowski
Bellevue,OH
' 64 F-250
352 transplant
4 speed



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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:04:13 PST
From: "George Litton"
Subject: Re: QRE: FTE 61-79 - Question on 390 rocker shaft

JOE,
As you look at the motor from the side, the second bolt from the left is
cut down in the middle to promote oil flow to the rocker shaft. If you
already have the rocker shaft off, look at the pads for them on the head.
You will see that the second from left[it does not matter which side you are
on] has a big chamfer and a small hole coming in from the left. That is
where oil is transfered from the block to the head, then onto the rocker
shaft. Make sure you get that special bolt in that position, or you will
tear up these shafts due to oil starvation!!!

George Litton in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho



>From: "Hogan, Tom"
>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>To: "'61-79-list ford-trucks.com'"
>Subject: QRE: FTE 61-79 - Question on 390 rocker shaft
>Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:17:53 -0800
>
>NO!! One is of a different length to control oil flow to the rockers. I
>can't remember which one or if it is longer or shorter but I think it was
>in
>the middle of the shaft. Warning, the different bolt is not much different
>at all. If you haven't torn into it yet it would be a good idea to punch
>some holes into the bottom of a cardboard box and lable the holes to keep
>track of where the bolts went in the motor.
>
>tom h
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: joe delaurentis [mailto:shoman p3.net]
>Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 4:54 PM
>To: truck list
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Question on 390 rocker shaft
>
>
>Group are all the bolts supposed to be the same length that hold the
>rocker
>shafts to the heads on a 390??????
>
>--
>Joe
>68 4x4 390 c6- Np 205 Dana 44 with Disc Brakes,
>Since Ford Didn't build em this way in 68, I'll make my own!
>
>
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:10:15 -0700
From: "Kiernan, Denny"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - prolonging life in old trucks.

"Daniel R. Olinick" wrote:

> Last time I checked my 360 was getting 13mpg!
> maybe it was the stp gas treatment and 92 octane chevron.

I think it must be more than that, and I'd like to know how you're
getting such mileage. I've got a 72 360 and get 9 mpg.

> Ride your bike or walk or take mass transit whenever possible.
> Drive your truck for work(hauling/towing) or leisure only.
> commuting at 10 mpg just doesn't make sence.

Sure it does. It costs me a buck and a half in gas to drive the truck to
work, but takes 45 minutes less than mass transit. In that 45 minutes I
can make a lot more than a buck and a half. This is one of the greatest
problems the govt has to solve if it wants to get everybody onto busses.

It's also a lot more pleasant a trip. For one thing, I can smoke a
cigar. As long as mass transit discriminates against cigar smokers, I
condemn, abjure, and reject them. Back in the Good Old Days, you could
smoke on the buses and trains, as well as in the restaurants and movie
houses. Now, in San Francisco at least, you cant even smoke in the pool
hall.

The man who values his independence will always champion the private
vehicle, and shun the contraptions that convey the masses. Let's have a
round of applause for the Ford Truck!
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:19:49 -0800
From: "Mike Sealey"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Valves v. Rings, '75 390

Ooooooookay. My newly-purchased '75 F-150 has a burnt or otherwise bad valve on the #5 cylinder, and I'll have to do a valve job to pass the California smog test.

I've always been told a valve job by itself is risky on a high mileage engine, as the higher compression is harder on the rings. My 390 doesn't have that many miles (just under 84K, cosmetics suggest odometer has almost certainly not turned over) but it feels like the rear end is relatively low geared (high numerically), and of course the rings are presumably 25 years old...

I bought the truck at a charity auction and don't know anything firm on its maintenance history, but its outstanding original cosmetics suggest it was well taken care of otherwise as well. (Sadly, I got it with its owners' manual but no receipts...)

I don't have a whole lot of $$ at the moment, and am inclined to pull the heads and send 'em off, but I am concerned about ring life. Anyone care to speculate as to how successful I'll be only doing half the job, or is that something none of us can know without seeing how the cylinder walls are doing?....


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