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61-79-list-digest Thursday, November 18 1999 Volume 03 : Number 423

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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - shaky front end
RE: FTE 61-79 - Aluminum vs. Cast Iron Intake for FE Big Block
RE: FTE 61-79 - Bashing?
FTE 61-79 - Re: 400 = 460?
FTE 61-79 - Newbie - intro
RE: FTE 61-79 - Prolonging death 351/Steve's sermon
RE: FTE 61-79 - Rancheros, Junk?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Old vs. New
FTE 61-79 - Clutchless auto
FTE 61-79 - Starter
RE: FTE 61-79 - Rancheros, Junk?
FTE 61-79 - Starter
Re: FTE 61-79 - Old vs. New/Bashing disclaimer
RE: FTE 61-79 - Selling My truck!!
FTE 61-79 - FE manifold
FTE 61-79 - Re: marital tension
FTE 61-79 - Selenoid vs solenoid
FTE 61-79 - Carb orientation on 300 I-6
RE: FTE 61-79 - Selenoid vs solenoid
FTE 61-79 - Bashing
FTE 61-79 - Female Perspective
FTE 61-79 - keyrings
FTE 61-79 - women bashing
FTE 61-79 - old vs new
RE: FTE 61-79 - Carb orientation on 300 I-6
FTE 61-79 - Gender Battle 101
RE: FTE 61-79 - Starter
FTE 61-79 - Re: "Man Bashing"
RE: FTE 61-79 - women bashing
RE: FTE 61-79 - Rancheros, Junk?
RE: FTE 61-79 - FE manifold
RE: FTE 61-79 - Carb orientation on 300 I-6
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rancheros, Junk?
RE: FTE 61-79 - Rancheros, Junk?
RE: FTE 61-79 - Selling My truck!!
RE: FTE 61-79 - Rancheros, Junk?
RE: FTE 61-79 - FE manifold
FTE 61-79 - RE: registrations taxes
RE: FTE 61-79 - Prolonging death 351/Steve's sermon
Re: FTE 61-79 - Prolonging death 351/Steve's sermon
FTE 61-79 - Kudos to Gary
FTE 61-79 - Question on 390 rocker shaft
FTE 61-79 - prolonging life in old trucks.
FTE 61-79 - FE intake and lifters

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 05:39:04 -0500
From: "Serian"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - shaky front end

> But now I've noticed a shake in the front end (I think)
> from 45 to about 55mph. It is still there at 65 but not
> near as bad.
> Anybody know what the first things to check are?

first thing I would check is to see if the lug nuts are on good and
tight :-) next check tire balance (an out of balance tire can really
shake the heck out of things on the front) and the wheel bearings
for wear and proper tightness

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 06:34:01 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Aluminum vs. Cast Iron Intake for FE Big Block

I forgot to look in my catalog last night but the list I was refering to was
all for spread bore applications and included 8 or 10 ford engines which I
believe included the FE but not absolutely sure now.

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> Offenhauser offers a 360 degree manifold for the FE. I don't
> know if it is
> a spread bore or square bore design.
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 07:40:27 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Bashing?

Well, I never....!!! Bashing? We all talk about our own life's
experiences from time to time and we all discuss our take on issues from
time to time but what I've said should not be called bashing in general
since the majority of cases would easily fit my description. I did not say
all women were worthless or unworthy or inept or unintellegent or not
mechanically inclined but I did allude to the "Typical" woman's attitude
about the things discussed. That in no way infers that all women are that
way.

Sandi, if you do not fit the stereotype then be glad and happy because it
suits you and makes you happy. These women I described are also happy but
have different goals than you do and also different goals than I and many
men on this list do so they make the complaints I described. This does not
make them inferior in any way, just not compatible with my life style and
that's the end of it. Unfortunately I have done as the vast majority of
people do and married out of loneliness after a very short courtship rather
than for the right reasons, because the person has special qualities that
are especially compatible with my life style which has been proven over a
long courtship. If you have married 3 times you probably did the same thing
but you need not feel bad about it, you have done what roughly 90% of
humanity has done in that case (all values are guestamates and not to be
taken as statistics :-))

Sorry if this discussion pushed a wrong button. I have nothing but the
greatest respect for women who are not afraid to tackle mechanical projects
and can see the value of them and, in fact, find them very desireable and
attractive. These women are simply not very common so few of us who have
this interest wind up paired with them including myself which, to me, is
lamentable so occasionally I lament, sorry :-(

I often type for several minutes in response to someone's post but then
realize it is too negative and since I have no positive thing to say I
delete it. The ones I do send I proof read carefully to make sure I am not
going to "unnecessarily" offend anyone. I do make an occasional mistake so
if I have blundered here, I do apologize.

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> I have been reading, without pleasure, all of your digs at
> women..not just
> Gary, but William Whited and Dennis Pearson and the rest of you "guys"
>
> "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" wrote:
>
> > >From SWMBO's stand point You go to work to earn money then

> > in the bathroom or landscaping the yard etc.. Women don't
> seem to see the
> > economic side of the issue and then when they do try to see
> it what they
> see
> > is $300 worth of tools you only use once in 3 years and
> every time you
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:13:14 -0500
From: "Brent Cole"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 400 = 460?

Yes, I do have the spacer plate between the motor and tranny. The only thing
maybe the spacer plate for the 460 could be thinner than the one from the 400.
I will check that. Has anyone had to shim these starters before? I know the
che**ies are always shimming their starters but I have never seen one on an
older V8 Ford.

Brent

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:21:23 +0100
From: Dennis Harris Nielsen
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Newbie - intro

Hi all.

I am the more or less happy owner of a 1974 Ford Ranchero with a 302 engine. I
am in the process of restoring it. I also own a 79 318 BMW and a 1972 Triumph
Bonneville.

I live in Denmark. There are hardly any American cars here, and (because?)
fuel
is terribly expensive at about a dollar for a quarter of a gallon. I have
previously owned a 1977 Chevy Malibu 350.

I have not yet driven the Ranchero, but I hope I will in spring at some point.
I think it has a blown cylinder head gasket. It does not run on one of the
cylinders, and generates quite a lot of pressure in the cooling system.
Further, it had been standing for a year or so when I bought it, and it had
lost all the fluid in the tranny. The standard fan has been replaced by two
ugly home-adapted electric fans. Should I junk them and install the standard
fan again?

What is the status of the Ranchero in USA. Is it just a piece of junk? (like
the Ford Sierra Pick-up is in Denmark). I am not familiar with the terms
"small
truck" etc. Is the Ranchero a "small truck"?

The engine is a 302. What is the performance of that engine in such a heavy
car? The exhaust is rusted, and it came with a set of spare headers (not of
any
specific brand I think.) Should I install the headers along with some sort of
semi-performance system, or are there any other minor changes to up
performance
a little which I can carry out while it is still in the shed, without taking
too much apart?

Sorry about all the questions. I have ordered the book _Ford Pickups and
Broncos 1973-1979 repair manual_

Any comments are greatly appreciated. Thanks a lot guys (and girls!)

Kind regards,
Dennis Denmark

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:32:41 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Prolonging death 351/Steve's sermon

Naaa! Anyone can do that :-) My first wife who couldn't fit a screw driver
to a screw if her life depended on it pointed out a method for installing
the hair springs on my Ducatti one day when she heard me cussing and notice
there were springs flying all over the basement, a method I had rejected
without actually trying it myself and when I gave in and tried it......it
worked! I was shocked and amazed but a happy camper. This simply
illistrates that you can, indeed, be too close to the problem to see the
solution sometimes and the one looking over your shoulder has a better
vantage :-)

This does not, in any way, take away from your wife's mechanical prowess,
I'm very happy for you :-) Even an inept mechanic who is willing to sit by
and help in any way she can and be a part of the other love of your life is
worth a lot in my book :-) It's not her ability or inability, it's her
attitude that counts :-) When you're married you are supposed to support
each other. We take them to weddings and shopping and, if you are one of the
lucky ones, they sit out in a cold garage and hand you tools or actually
learn and participate in your hobby. It's called "Sharing" :-)

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> P.S: My SWMBO is a very capable mechanic. She usually points
> out the obvious when I can't seem to figure it out. And I don't hold
> it against her.
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:06:22 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Rancheros, Junk?

There are people (genderless) on this list who know more than I do about
these trucks but I believe they were made on the Falcon format, not full
sized pickups so are a little smaller than a full sized pickup. They are
still rated for 1/2 ton AFAIK and will accept engines as large as 427's and
perhaps even the 460, not sure about that one but I have friends who had
427's in them.

Most truckers would be happy to have one in their stable so I don't think
you could call them undesireable as junk for sure :-) I'd like to have one
myself :-)

302's are not considered torque engines but can be made to produce some very
healty low end torque and, in another configuration, very nice top end power
for such a small engine as well. In stock form they are well suited for
city/highway driving in a ranchero but fall short when used to haul loads
unless you gear them for this and then they get poor mileage.

The best resource you can get for it is the Factory Service manual. Faxon,
Amazon and others as well as Helms have reprints of many of these available.

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> I am the more or less happy owner of a 1974 Ford Ranchero
> with a 302 engine. I
>
> What is the status of the Ranchero in USA. Is it just a
> piece of junk? (like
>
> The engine is a 302. What is the performance of that engine
> in such a heavy
> car?too much apart?
>
> Sorry about all the questions. I have ordered the book _Ford
> Pickups and
> Broncos 1973-1979 repair manual_
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 06:32:22 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Old vs. New

Thanks for your message at 07:43 PM 11/17/99 -0800, canzus

seanet.com. Your
message was:
>At 09:17 AM 17:11:99 -0800, O'Connor wrote:
>>Gang,
>>P.S. I love the 60's fords, best models ever built
>
> I have to disagree, the finest Ford Truck is the '57,

I would be proud to own any year Ford Truck and would boldly proclaim it to
be the best model ever built. One could fill in the blank:
"The______________________Ford Truck is the best truck ever built" with
ANY year and be correct. Several years (Before FTE) is was really into
1948-52 Ford Trucks. I thought they were the greatest! And they were! I
thought the 1961-66 body style was the least attractive of Ford Trucks.
But then I bought one (my blue Unibody) and before too long, in my eyes, I
own one of the best looking Ford Truck body styles on the road...I may tire
of it one day and move on...to another year/style Ford Truck. If I do, I'm
sure I'll think it is the best thing on the road...

Just think how lucky we are to have so many great trucks to choose
from...and so many Ford Truck Enthusiasts (male and female :>) to share
knowledge with...

OK! Now let's get to work.

Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:34:41 -0500
From: am14

daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Clutchless auto

Steve S. writes: >>Have you ever rode in one of these beasts. It is one of the
most violent shifting
ride you will ever be in. A buddy has a turbo 400 set up this way. There is no
convertor to absorb the shock of the shift. I think a 2 stroke Briggs and
Stratton
could break the tires loose with one of these trannies.

Never had the privilege. Always thought I would like one though.

Azi e
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:38:12 -0500
From: am14

daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Starter

Brent writes: >>I put the starter from the 400 on the 460 and gear teeth on the
starter rubbed
the flywheel teeth (flex plate if you like, its a C6 tranny) in the retracted
position. I thought I would need another starter for the 460 but from what I am
hearing the starter I have should work? Correct? It also appears that the
flywheel teeth are rubbing the snout of the starter. The Truck is a 79 and my
460 is an 82. The starter bolted right up without any problems, like it was
made for it. Could it need shimming or some other special adaptation?

There is a thin shim(metal) that is required with some starters in some
applications. I never had to use one, but I have pulled lots of starters from
vehicles(Fords) that had it, and I always put it back on, even if I replaced the
starter. You might need one of these!!!!

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:42:41 -0600
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Rancheros, Junk?

> There are people (genderless) on this list who know more than I do about
> these trucks but I believe they were made on the Falcon format, not full
> sized pickups so are a little smaller than a full sized pickup.

I'm not genderless, but I do know a little about Ranchero's ... we have a
70, by 68 they were based on the Fairlane not the Falcon, and since the
Fairlane became the Torino, that's what they're based off of for 74 ...

> still rated for 1/2 ton AFAIK and will accept engines as large as
> 427's and
> perhaps even the 460, not sure about that one but I have friends who had
> 427's in them.
>

Since the FE was dropped from cars in 70, the largest you could get was 429
... 460 MAY have been available, but I don't think I've ever seen one of
those (and I'm no expert on Rancheros, just Dad's got one at home ... ) Oh
yeah weight ratings ... 900lb carrying capacity with light duty springs,
1100 with heavy duty ... so literally a half ton I guess ...

> Most truckers would be happy to have one in their stable so I don't think
> you could call them undesireable as junk for sure :-) I'd like
> to have one
> myself :-)
>

We've got a 70 that Dad might be persuaded to part with ... 30K ? miles ...
California truck originally ... no rust, paint's gettin thin though ...
hopped up 302 ...

> 302's are not considered torque engines but can be made to
> produce some very
> healty low end torque and, in another configuration, very nice
> top end power
> for such a small engine as well. In stock form they are well suited for
> city/highway driving in a ranchero but fall short when used to haul loads
> unless you gear them for this and then they get poor mileage.
>

Ours has 3.25 rear a 302 with a probably medium rise (Street Dominator?)
Holley intake and 4V, long tube headers and 2.25" dual exhaust with race
magnums ... never had a problem hauling anything (3spd stick on the floor w/
hurst shifter) ... as for speed ... well talk with a certain Dodge van and
some V-tech honda's ... ask them what the taillights look like :) Actually
surprised a buddy of mine with a 5.0 ... was following him down a twisty
road and he was sure he'd lost me until he stopped and saw I was still a
safe following distance behind him and had been there the whole time ...

> > Sorry about all the questions. I have ordered the book _Ford
> > Pickups and
> > Broncos 1973-1979 repair manual_

Probably won't be much help with the Ranchero as its based (as I said
before) on the intermediate (if you can call it that) chassis ... lots more
info will be applicable from that book than the truck books ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:43:39 -0500
From: am14

daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Starter

Gary writes to Brent>> Brent, did you put the spacer plate between the tranny
and engine when you
installed the tranny? This plate is very important to getting both the
tranny/engine spacing right and also the starter/flywheel spacing.

I completely forgot about this when I just answered Brents note. I just assumed
everyone knew to reinstall that spacer.... Dang !

! I'm really getting
bad......

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:48:47 EST
From: TBeeee

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Old vs. New/Bashing disclaimer

In a message dated 11/18/99 9:33:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,
dpearson

ctc.edu writes:

> Just think how lucky we are to have so many great trucks to choose
> from...and so many Ford Truck Enthusiasts (male and female :>) to share
> knowledge with...

I love debating which year Ford truck is best. Let's just not debate which
one of us *likes* our Ford truck more....I don't have enough time today to
win that one....maybe next week!

PLEASE BE ADVISED that the following disclaimer shall be considered presumed
in all of my future posts:

(disclaimer: Please Note: I have purposely omitted any mention any gender
in the text of this message. If, however, I may have goofed then any
similarity between actual persons and/or events would be merely coincidental.
There was no intent to harass, alarm or annoy any person. Unless stated
otherwise all posts are by design intended to have a *humor* component built
in which I'll admit may be difficult to find under most circumstances.
Notwithstanding, in those circumstances when a third party takes offense, I
beg your indulgence and respectfully request forgiveness in advance).

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (HELP!---I need 15 x5 factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flare Side
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:24:47 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Selling My truck!!

Is this truck what you might call "Rust Free"? How much body work will be
necessary to get it into decent shape for painting so it will look good?
They began using zink coating in 73 so the 79's typically have good front
clips but door bottoms and rear fender lips and tail gates as well as beds
which have all the coatings rubbed off tend to be a mess on this vintage?

I saw one up for sale for $5400 here in Tecumseh but it was obviously fixed
up and the frame showed some serious pitting indicatative of salt rot so I
stayed away from it at that price. The sheet metal seemed to be in good
shape though so I probably would have gone $3000 for it at the time. That's
what I paid for my bronco but now feel I paid a bit too much considering all
the rust that was hiding under the paint. It also needed serious work on
the suspension and drive line but had a rebuilt engine in it which still
runs well to this day.

If it's not too rusty, $3000 sounds fair to me :-)

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> I am in Traverse City, MI!! Kinda bye the top of the Pinky!!
>
> Thanks
> James
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:54:02 -0500
From: am14

daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE manifold

William Hart writes: >>I think this is what you will have to use, I've never
seen (doesn't mean
they don't make it) an FE intake manifold with a quadrajet pattern on it ...
they made a ton of manifolds for this motor before I was born though so I
can't say they never made one ..

Didn't make any before I was born, and I'm an FE fan and have never seen one.
Still deosn't mean there isn't one laying around in someones shop somewhere that
may be left over from the early NASCAR days when FOMOCO experimented with just
about everything in the world. I once got one from Holman/Moody that was
aluminum - had huge runners in it and the carb(squarebore Holley Pattern) was
offset from center to the front and to the right. Approx 2" forward and 1" to
the right. I replaced a Castiron intake on my 428SCJ with it. Gained a bunch
of mid to high rpm horsepower measured by the seat-of-the-pants method, but
don't have a clue as to actual gains.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:01:50 -0500
From: "J. Doss Halsey"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: marital tension

In a message dated 11/17/1999 halsey

isl-inc.com writes:

>>>My current
>>>girlfriend thinks it is the coolest thing that I can work on them.

>>Ah, courtship.

>Can someone fill me in? I think I missed the first part???

Lisa,

I was just remarking that courtship can be different from marriage in the
"interests" department. During courtship she may profess to like Ford
trucks for example (FTE content), and he may have feined an interest in oh,
let's say opera! After the wedding one finds oneself making less time for
those things that you used to do during courtship, but maybe really didn't
care much for after all. It's a natural process.

Doss Halsey
'68 F250, 390, What really set her off was when I took the cab off in the
driveway. I had it back on complete with new cab mounts in two weeks, though!

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:24:52 -0500
From: am14

daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Selenoid vs solenoid

Yo Steve and Gary.... Don't mean to be nit picky, but !!!!

Webster: Solenoid = a coil of wire carrying a current and acting like a magnet.

Webster: Selenoid = not found.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 06:46:34 -0900
From: "4Travis"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Carb orientation on 300 I-6

Hey guys the continuing saga of my 74 F250 project truck I have installed a
Clifford's 4 barrel intake manifold w Clifford Headers and a Holley 465cfm
square bore carb w vacuum secondaries. My Question is does it matter which
way I orient the carb on the intake manifold? I was going to originally run
it with the primaries "outboard" that is to say as far away from the engine
as possible with the secondaries closer to the engine. Well this was not
the most convenient way to hook up the carb linkage, so I am thinking of
hooking it up with the primaries to the rear. Do you think this will have
and adverse affect on the way it runs?
I also had the headers coated with a ceramic/metallic coating called
"Jet Hot" and then wrapped the headers with header wrap. Anyone else had
any experience with header wrap? It certainly quiets them down a lot, they
don't have that metallic "ting" to em; it is also supposed to keep the temp
under the hood down and prevent stuff that touches them from melting as
easily. They also claim significant torque and horsepower increases by
keeping the exhaust gases from cooling as they pass through the header. I
am not sure how much of this is true I have seen it used on hot rods and
even if it doesn't improve HP I like the idea of not having those read hot
headers to deal with..

Geffrey Travis
ALASKA
74 F250 FWD complete rebuild (my Albatross)
81 F250 "Geezer Mobile"
96 F350 FWD PSD Crew Cab "Family hauler"
96 Harley Road King w side car
97 Harley Wide Glide (wife's)

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:41:47 -0600
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Selenoid vs solenoid

> Yo Steve and Gary.... Don't mean to be nit picky, but !!!!
>
> Webster: Solenoid = a coil of wire carrying a current and acting
> like a magnet.
>
> Webster: Selenoid = not found.
>
> Azie
>

Thanks Azie, I was beginnin to wonder about these guys ... selenoid indeed
:)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:51:53 -0500
From: am14

daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bashing

Sandi writes: >> If you want to bash, bash your own wives or girlfriends, but
quit bashing women in general.

Calm down Sandi!!!! I believe if you will reread those comments you will find
that each and everyone of them were intended for their particular chosen woman
and not "Women" in general. SWMBO is often referred to here on the list and is,
in my opinion, only intended to be meant for their "Woman" and not all women.

My wife of 26 years is very competent at lots of things normally associated with
"Male only" things. She has helped me on many occasions and can change the oil
and tires and lots of other things. She probably could overhaul an engine or a
transmission, because she's helped me many times. She doesn't do these things
on a regular basis, because it is her choice not to do them, but that doesn't
take away from her abilities. Her interest are merely in other things. We too,
have an agreement - I don't tell her how to keep house and she doesn't tell me
how to mechanic. I don't buy things for the house and she doesn't tell me how
to keep my "junk" just as long as it isn't in the front yard.

I was a single parent of 3 very small children for 7 years and I know how to
keep house. I cook - I clean - I regularly do the washing - I mop - I dust - I
make up the bed. I do these things because I want to. I learned after I lost
my 1st wife, that "womans work" is not fun and it takes a certain amount of
talent to do it effeciently and thourough. I wouldn't trade my job for what is
referred to as "womans work" for anything.

Steve and Rockette seem to have a very similar arrangement. Ain't it
great!!!!!!

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:21:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Ballinger
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Female Perspective

>I joined this group to try to get more information
and >ideas on some of
>the
>things I don't know how to fix on my truck, and ideas
>on where to buy
>parts
>for him, but you're starting to piss me off. If you
>want to bash, bash
>your
>own wives or girlfriends, but quit bashing women in
>general.

Please don't take offense so easily, ma'am. People
say things that are sometimes inappropriate, I'm bad
about getting out of hand on some things. This list
is pretty good at keeping that stuff in check, so
please read on

And if you follow the thread you'll see some female
responses to our "packrat ways," my signifigant other
who never posts anything just about jumped all over
that one. Must be that C-6 in the bathtub, or those
390 heads under the bed.

I admire your knowledge and appreciation for restoring
your truck, it's where. Let's share our knowledge, and
I agree that this thread needs to go away, but my
favorite way to avoid things that I don't care about
is scrolling to the next message.

Bashing anyone is bad taste, and it should stop. But,
I think this thread is just on the edge of that and
is dying, and I hope you will ease up and stay with
us. We'd appreciate your perspective, and it's nice
to have a fellow appreciator of keeping the rig pretty
stock. I'm putting more motor in mine, but I'm
keeping my 17 1/2 inch steering wheel thank you.
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:03:42 -0600
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - keyrings

>> Dang! You must be a math whiz or somethin! LOL

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*

Well...actually...yes. I taught math for 17 years. The only reason I quit is
I now manage all of the computers (almost 300) on this campus. That's anoth
reason I have so many keys.

Gary, I just thought you were studying hukked on foniks.

- -- John
jlagrone

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:26:46 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Carb orientation on 300 I-6

The manifold should have specific areas for both primary and secondary
unless it is an open plenum with one big open, square shaped hole and no
partitions in which case it probably won't matter but if it's partitioned
you should orient the carb as intended and use a bell crank for the linkage
or use cable to connect the carb to the go pedal.

I used wrap and I think, so far, I like what it does. IF you paint it first
and IF you dry it quickly as the directions say to and IF you paint it after
it's dry I don't see how it can cause any more rust than un-wrapped. The
primary reason I used it was after an experience with my brother's Chevy
truck and the noise the headers made I determined to find a better solution
:-)

Since I can't change the jets and don't have a balance tube in my setup I
lost considerable top end but gained a tad on the bottom I think. I
wouldn't put too much stock in the heat retaining properties gaining you
some power. This may be true in theory under certain lab conditions but I
don't see it in a street application and certainly can't feel it in my
britches :-)

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> it matter which
> way I orient the carb on the intake manifold? I was going to
> originally run
> it with the primaries "outboard" that is to say as far away
> from the engine
> as possible with the secondaries closer to the engine. Well

> I also had the headers coated with a ceramic/metallic
> coating called
> "Jet Hot" and then wrapped the headers with header wrap.
> Anyone else had
> any experience with header wrap? It certainly quiets them
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:06:41 -0600
From: "Brian C Nyman"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Gender Battle 101

Sandi & Rollie (and others),

I'm not sure how long Sandi's been on the list, but it's only been recently that
this whole SWMBO/HHWTBO thread has really shown it's ugly face. I took the
acronyms as humorous, and moved on. The thread may have gotten a little
long-winded for those of us looking for "truck-related" interchange, but
occasionally it brings a little extra character to the list.

List members WELCOME all comers: male & female. Lisa (of "Lisa & Envy") has
been welcomed with open arms as a contributor, and brought a little something
extra to the list. I might suggest Sandi share some of her years of experience
(sans the ex-bashing). If you're not happy with a particular thread, create one
of your own. You'll be amazed at how quickly the threads like the one mentioned
above dissipate when more "interesting" concepts and topics come around.

Brian Nyman
bnyman

allina.com

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:34:52 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Starter

Don't feel bad Azie, I have a bald spot where I was scratching my head on
that one before the idea popped into my feeble mind :-)

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> Gary writes to Brent>> Brent, did you put the spacer plate
> between the tranny
> and engine when you
>
> I completely forgot about this when I just answered Brents
> note. I just assumed
> everyone knew to reinstall that spacer.... Dang !

! I'm
> really getting
> bad......
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:34:09 -0800 (PST)
From: "J. Allison"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: "Man Bashing"

> From: Bird Sandi M CNFB
> Subject: 351/Steve's sermon
>
> I have been reading, without pleasure, all of your
> digs at women... not just Gary, but William Whited
> and Dennis Pearson and the rest of you "guys"...

Swell... As if I had anything to do with it being
one of the rest of the "guys"...

> Also, for the record, none of the 3 men I was
> married to, knew the first thing about cars
> (couldn't even change a tire and NEVER changed the
> oil) and ran them into the ground and then just
> bought new.

Gee... I hate to point this out but you didn't learn
after the first moron??? When I am interested in a
girl and she turns out to be a bad apple I don't go
looking for another apple just like her. Make sense?

> I don't think I'm the exception, I do believe there
> are other women out there who like working on cars
> and trucks and aren't into the frilly crap that you
> guys seem to think they are.

No kidding! Do you assume that all the guys on this
list are what could be termed as "good ole boys"?
Thanks for lumping me in with the cavemen...

> And there are other women out there, like me, who
> can out fence build, out barn build, out tractor
> work, etc. a lot of you good old boys. Sandi

Now you're getting really vicious. Is this a
challenge I hear? A retort to all men whom we all know
naturally assume they can out 'do' any woman ;)? Are
you a female wishing to open a can of whoop on every
male in a 50 mile radius just because they are men? In
my experience BOTH sexes piss and moan day and night
about the opposite sex. Men and women are no different
in that respect for sure! I have found our group to be
pretty easy going and often quite SUPPORTIVE of women
who wish to gain Ford truck knowledge. Sometimes the
banter may be a little pro-male but I for sure don't
find it to be anything to get stirred up about. At
least not enough to go ripping into us for. I find it
hard to believe that both sexes are always pointing
the finger at the opposite when sour grapes doth get
harvested when we should be looking inside twice as
often as looking outside at the "ex". When are we
going to learn that men and women are made to work
TOGETHER not against each other? When are we going to
keep our committments to each other instead of letting
them fall away? When are we going to be smart enough
to know what we are getting ourselves into before
tying the knot, only to later back out or 'blame it on
the other guy'??? Welp... so much for the soapbox. If
you're going to cap off rounds in all directions you'd
better expect some return fire. You are more than
welcome to be a part of our group but please make sure
that you have it together when nailing people to the
wall. I don't EVER recall Dennis Pearson "bashing"
women. Of course we all make mistakes. Fessing up to
them when we choke helps a lot... my $195.03 worth. I
hope you stick around and learn, laugh, and ponder
along with the rest of us. Sincerely, J. Allison

Ps Please note. I edited your message in a somewhat
liberal fashion for content.

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:28:57 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - women bashing

Me either and thanks for the plug but I must say here that I do have an
attitude but it's strictly due to my own personal experiences and I know
that just because I have had problems it is no reason to bash or trash or
burn others because they are successfull at something at which I have
personally failed miserably. I try to avoid letting my negative personal
feelings get out there for that reason and I have deleted more prospective
posts like this before even sending them than I have posted to avoid
negativity. The list is for positive reinforcement, learning and a little
humor. I am working at keeping my contribution to it in that social
stratta.....:-) Some day I will be able to say that I have succeeded :-)

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> to pick one person on the planet who looks at things the way
> I do, it would
> probably be him.
>
> Off, soapbox and I will absolutely not continue this thread.
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:15:15 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Rancheros, Junk?

I was pointing out that the word "People" is genderless........

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> > There are people (genderless) on this list who know more
>
> I'm not genderless, but I do know a little about Ranchero's
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:30:04 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - FE manifold

Axie, there is a listing for the Rochester on one model in one year (68 or
69) of the Tbird or something so there must be a manifold made for it
someplace? God forbid they used an adapter on that model?!

#$%^

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> Didn't make any before I was born, and I'm an FE fan and have
> never seen one.
> Still deosn't mean there isn't one laying around in someones
> shop somewhere that
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:32:59 +0000 (GMT)
From: David Henderson
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Carb orientation on 300 I-6

> The manifold should have specific areas for both primary and secondary=

> unless it is an open plenum with one big open, square shaped hole and =

no
> partitions in which case it probably won't matter but if it's=20
partitioned
> you should orient the carb as intended and use a bell crank for the=20
linkage
> or use cable to connect the carb to the go pedal.

Gary and Geffrey:

Clifford only makes open plenum intakes for all of their inline=20
products. The carb can be oriented in any of four possible=20
orientations (no, you cannot mount it diagonally to the intake). I=20
have mine oriented to where the primaries are "outboard", or farthest=20
from the head. Using a Lockar throttle cable and cable mount (thanks=20
Tony for the suggestion!!) I have not had any trouble with this=20
mounting configuration. It also makes it easy to access the adjusting=20
screws.

As for the headers, I have the same Jet-Hot coated headers from=20
Clifford, but they are unwrapped and do not have that "metallic" sound=20
you speak of, only a nice, deep rumble. Check out my webpage for=20
pictures of both the carb and its mounting configuration, and for the=20
headers. Thanks and good luck!!

Dave H

PS Geffrey, I am available for consultation. You would just have to=20
fly me up to Alaska. I'm available during the next caribou hunting=20
season (just kidding, but you can e-mail me and I will try my best to=20
help you out) ;^)

- --=20
_
_| ~~. David Henderson
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:46:09 -0500
From: kpayne

ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rancheros, Junk?

"William S. Hart" wrote:
>
> > There are people (genderless) on this list who know more than I do about
> > these trucks but I believe they were made on the Falcon format, not full
> > sized pickups so are a little smaller than a full sized pickup.
>
> I'm not genderless, but I do know a little about Ranchero's ... we have a
> 70, by 68 they were based on the Fairlane not the Falcon, and since the
> Fairlane became the Torino, that's what they're based off of for 74 ...
>

Early Rancheros where based on the Falcon. It was originally
called the Ford Falcon Ranchero.
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:00:50 -0600
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Rancheros, Junk?

> > I'm not genderless, but I do know a little about Ranchero's ...
> we have a
> > 70, by 68 they were based on the Fairlane not the Falcon, and since the
> > Fairlane became the Torino, that's what they're based off of for 74 ...
> >
>
> Early Rancheros where based on the Falcon. It was originally
> called the Ford Falcon Ranchero.
>

Oops, sorry for the confusion, I guess I didn't really make that clear, but
pre 68 they were indeed Falcon based ... there's a cute 63 runnin around
here ... never thought I'd call a truck cute, but ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:22:45 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Selling My truck!!

Say.....did you ever get any pic's up? I've got to say on the one hand I'm
interested but on the other hand it's not on the top of my list right now
but for the right truck with the right body condition I could move my
priorities around a little :-)

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> I think i will start the bidding at 3,000 or BO!! I think
> the truck is very
> rare and if you saw it you would see the kind of shape it is
> in!! Any
> offers??
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:14:34 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Rancheros, Junk?

Thanks for your message at 01:00 PM 11/18/99 -0600, William S. Hart. Your
message was:
>> > I'm not genderless, but I do know a little about Ranchero's ...
>> we have a
>> > 70, by 68 they were based on the Fairlane not the Falcon, and since the
>> > Fairlane became the Torino, that's what they're based off of for 74 ...
>> >
>>
>> Early Rancheros where based on the Falcon. It was originally
>> called the Ford Falcon Ranchero.

...and before that, they were based on the full-sized ford (1957 -1959)...

Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:18:21 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - FE manifold

Axie???? here we go again :-)

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> Axie, there is a listing for the Rochester on one model in
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:54:24 -0500
From: "George W. Selby, III"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: registrations taxes

2.2%? That's all? Here in NC we have to pay 3% of the sales price (if
purchased from a dealer), or 3% of the average retail price (if purchased
from a private party, computed by the state, don't ask me how they know).
In addition to the percentage, there is a $35 title fee and a $20 plate
fee, and lucky me, because I live in one of 10 counties of the 'Global
Transpark' (which is only in a developers dreams,) I get to pay an extra
$5, which goes straight to the GTP for business loans to encourage
development. Then every year after that we have to pay property tax on the
vehicle (determined at wholesale value, they do cut you a slight break,
value of my F-150 is $800,) paid at the regular property tax rate. And a
$20 registration fee every year.

OTOH, my insurance is only $120 for 6 months. Earlier this year before my
2 at-fault accidents and my speeding ticket came off my record, my
insurance was $600 for 6 months. Guess it pays in NC to have a clean
record.

George Selby
78 F-150 400M, 4 on floor, 4x4
86 Nissan 300ZX
82 Jeep Cherokee
85 Dodge W-100
digiman

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:37:32 -0700
From: "Kiernan, Denny"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Prolonging death 351/Steve's sermon

SevnD2

aol.com wrote:
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Gender bashing,labels,stereotypes and blanket
> statements
>
> Sandi ,
> I have been a member of this list for a while now too ! You have used all of
> the items listed in the subject line at least once and some more . etc . . .

Ah, dont take it so serious. Sandi sounds like the type of woman I've
been looking for - - somebody who knows trucks.

There's only one thing that makes me hesitate, tho -- her email address.
Sandi, you're not an MP are you? I dont take orders too well.

Denny
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:12:50 -0700
From: William Whited
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Prolonging death 351/Steve's sermon

Sandi, May I inquire to what I said that was any kind of bashing? Below is my
original post.

"Gary, That was a great one. My ex was like that didn't want me to have an
older
vehicle and work on it, now that she is is gone it is like wow you can really
work on those trucks and keep them working. Too bad her loss. My current
girlfriend thinks it is the coolest thing that I can work on them."

Please SHIPMATE point out to me where I bashed women, I'm just a Dumb OLE
Marine. You should know better then that being in the military (note e-mail
address) then Assuming that somebody was saying something they weren't.
There are many factors why people get divorced or have displeasure's with
their ex's. Are you bitter at your 3 ex's? Did you learn from your 3
experiences? Well I certainly have from mine. I divorced her and not because
she didn't like me working on trucks. It is not my fault that she has since
seen the light and tried to mend her ways.
I do believe the original post was talking about how working on ole Ford
trucks is the lists passion vice buying a new one. And how some of the list
members female counterparts do not understand it sometimes, buy saying why do
you keep working on that Ford why don't you buy a new one. Still not sure where
you get bashing from, maybe you need to calm down and relax.

William A Whited
74 F100 Ranger Supercab 390
77 F150 Custom 460
El Paso, TX
Semper Fi 224

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:21:33 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Kudos to Gary

Gary et. al. just a note to say thanks for the tip on the stiff steering on
my truck. I squirted a little WD-40 on my steering u-joint and she's as
smooth as when I bought it. I can't believe I've been living with this for 5
months! I got more "change the box/gear/shaft" advice even from
professionals and all it took was a little (or a lot) of experience with
these great old beasts...the trucks, not you Gary...;-)

Bill

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:54:13 -0400
From: joe delaurentis
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Question on 390 rocker shaft

Group are all the bolts supposed to be the same length that hold the
rocker
shafts to the heads on a 390??????

- --
Joe
68 4x4 390 c6- Np 205 Dana 44 with Disc Brakes,
Since Ford Didn't build em this way in 68, I'll make my own!

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:58:37 -0600
From: "Daniel R. Olinick"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - prolonging life in old trucks.

>Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 14:18:09 -0500
>From: "Gary L. Perry"
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Prolonging death 351
>
>I fail to understand WHY people wish to run the S--- out
>of their trucks, when it's obvious that they need serious work.
>Problem is: It takes serious money to rebuild old, worn equipment
>and is generally NOT worth time unless, you have some "personal"
>love of the vehicle. That's why they make NEW trucks, to replace
>the old. If one can't afford to fix-it, then buy something you don't
>have to fix! "G
>
I don't understand it myself. I am 26 years old. My dad had a
71 ford truck. I don't know very much about it but it was blue
and was an automatic. The truck was totalled in 1985 when
my father was driving home from work in a severe thunderstorm
and a 18 wheeler was blown into the oncoming traffic on IH 35.
My father was killed instantly. Now I have been driving 18 wheelers
for about 3 years and recently bought myself a '71 Ford F100.
I think people are nostalgic. I have always been drawn to early
seventies cars and trucks. I want to save my new old truck from
the salvage yard as long as possible. I don't care how much money
it will cost that I can't afford. Maybe we are just crazy and living in
the past. I just don't know. Now if I can get out there and begin sanding
and priming those rust spots. I just realized I need to do the body prep
myself. Someday I will have it repainted. I just don't know how much
it is gonna cost.

BTW: What about alternatives to gas/deisel engines in classics.
Propane conversion? Can it be done? What do you know about....

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