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61-79-list-digest Thursday, November 18 1999 Volume 03 : Number 422



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Small block bellhousings?
RE: FTE 61-79 - Prolonging death 351/Steve's sermon
Re: FTE 61-79 - Pertronics
RE: FTE 61-79 - Prolonging death 351/Steve's sermon
Re: FTE 61-79 - old vs new
Re: FTE 61-79 - Old vs. New
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: clutch in an automatic
RE: FTE 61-79 - Sizing of building
Re: FTE 61-79 - Storing those old parts
Re: FTE 61-79 - old vs new
RE: FTE 61-79 - Prolonging death 351/Steve's sermon
Re: FTE 61-79 - old vs new
RE: FTE 61-79 - Aluminum vs. Cast Iron Intake for FE Big Block
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Prolonging death 351
RE: FTE 61-79 - Prolonging death 351/Steve's sermon
Re: FTE 61-79 - How to improve fuel economy?
FTE 61-79 - Gender bashing,labels,stereotypes and blanket statements

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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:01:11 -0600
From: Brett L Habben
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Small block bellhousings?

Folks,
Are the bellhousings the same for 10.5" and 11" clutch 70's truck sixes
and small blocks? How about the throwout arms?
Brett,
Super75cab
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:30:41 -0800
From: Bird Sandi M CNFB
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Prolonging death 351/Steve's sermon

I have been reading, without pleasure, all of your digs at women..not just
Gary, but William Whited and Dennis Pearson and the rest of you "guys"

for the record...

I own a 65 F-100, it was my dad's until he died and then I bought it from my
wicked stepmother. It has over 360,000 miles on the original engine, and
although it needs a little body work and a paint job, it purrs like kitten
and totally loves passing all those new cars and trucks on the freeway (our
comfortable cruising speed is 70!!!), whether the bed is empty or loaded
with hay, feed, or wood. And let me just tell you something, fellas!!!

my EX used to think HE knew best, 'cause he was the man, and while I was at
work he would do VERY STUPID stuff like having the stock steering wheel
replaced with a midget mustang steering wheel (and THROW the stock one
away!!!), or having the working stock radio replaced with a new fangled
cassette player!!! I caught him once making arrangements to take out the
"three on the tree" and putting in four on the floor, that was the last
straw...

So, I dumped that jerk and had to go out and find a junkyard stock steering
wheel and horn cap, still searching for the stock radio. And I have finally
gotten it almost back to the way it was, before a man got his hands on it.
And the reason it runs so well, and purrs like a kitten, and cruises at 70
mph is because I, a mere woman, take very good care of it (him, his name is
Hank!!!) and I have tools that make most men jealous and would rather buy a
new tool than a new dress. And would rather work on my truck or my ranch
than go shopping, and I don't believe in keeping things around just because
they look nice!!!!! And I would NEVER junk this truck and buy a new one,
because I DO LOVE him and he has never let me down.

Also, for the record, none of the 3 men I was married to, knew the first
thing about cars (couldn't even change a tire and NEVER changed the oil) and
ran them into the ground and then just bought new. I don't think I'm the
exception, I do believe there are other women out there who like working on
cars and trucks and aren't into the frilly crap that you guys seem to think
they are. And there are other women out there, like me, who can out fence
build, out barn build, out tractor work, etc. a lot of you good old boys.

I joined this group to try to get more information and ideas on some of the
things I don't know how to fix on my truck, and ideas on where to buy parts
for him, but you're starting to piss me off. If you want to bash, bash your
own wives or girlfriends, but quit bashing women in general.

California, Love my 65, Sandi


"Peters, Gary (G.R.)" wrote:

> >From SWMBO's stand point You go to work to earn money then you come home
and
> spend all your time working on your truck and when you spend $300 on parts
> it seems like a lot of money. They don't see the big picture and they see
> you out in the shop instead of taking them shopping or working on the trim
> in the bathroom or landscaping the yard etc.. Women don't seem to see the
> economic side of the issue and then when they do try to see it what they
see
> is $300 worth of tools you only use once in 3 years and every time you
work
> on it you have to buy more tools so that by the time you count tools,
parts
> and time they figure you are better off to have a new truck which requires
> no maintenance. ....
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:52:47 EST
From: Pyrate951 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Pertronics

Just noticed a small problem with mine. The truck was running a little rough
and missed every now and then. After checking the ignition system a couple of
time I finally check the pertronic parts of it and found that the rivets were
lose that held the pickup to the base so they were moving around on me.
nothing really serious but wanted to share that thought.

Greg
Seattle
68 f-250 camper special (still pulling an 11.5' camper also)
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:25:09 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Prolonging death 351/Steve's sermon

Thanks for your message at 06:30 PM 11/17/99 -0800, Bird Sandi M CNFB. Your
message was:
>I have been reading, without pleasure, all of your digs at women..not just
>Gary, but William Whited and Dennis Pearson and the rest of you "guys"
>
>for the record...

Yes, for the record--I would really appreciate your identifying ANY post
that I made that in anyway "bashed" women. If I did, I apologize, because
I do not see myself as that kind of person. However, if you can't find one
of my posts that reflect "women bashing," then I expect an apology on here
from you...

I did, in fact enjoy the Ford truck story, especially the
four-on-the-floor part. I can remember a time in my life when I may have
tried that one...




Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:43:08 -0800 (PST)
From: canzus seanet.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - old vs new

At 08:00 AM 17:11:99 -0600, John LaGrone wrote:
>>> A friend of mine bought a new F150 4X4 a while back and is paying about
>1200.00 bucks for plates. I can keep my 74's tank full for about 30
>weeks with the money I save on plates alone.
>
>Kirk Baillie
>74 F250 4X4 highboy
>
>Kirk,
>
>Is this a one time fee or annual? Sounds like the state government doesn't
>like car dealers.

If He's in Washington State, I could believe this. However, the voting public
has decided that 2.2% of the states assumed value of your vehicle is a little
out of order, and we'll be paying $30.00 plus county fees as of 1Jan00. I'm
a very happy camper at this point....

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
97 Contour, Mine

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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:43:10 -0800 (PST)
From: canzus seanet.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Old vs. New

At 09:17 AM 17:11:99 -0800, O'Connor wrote:
>Gang,
>P.S. I love the 60's fords, best models ever built

I have to disagree, the finest Ford Truck is the '57,
Hey Stoney, wanna sell yours??

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
97 Contour, Mine

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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:43:05 -0800 (PST)
From: canzus seanet.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: clutch in an automatic

At 08:02 AM 17:11:99 -0500, Steve Schaefer wrote:
>> Naw. MOP*R did it back in the 60's to their famous 727.

Yeah, thats the "Clutchflite"
>
>Have you ever rode in one of these beasts.

Ya sure, ya betcha,
'70 440-6 Pack Challenger

>It is one of the most violent shifting
>ride you will ever be in.

Cool, eh??

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
97 Contour, Mine

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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:43:07 -0800 (PST)
From: canzus seanet.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Sizing of building

At 09:03 AM 17:11:99 -0500, Peters, Gary (G.R.) wrote:

>I know a guy who did nothing in his spare time but restore and modify old
>cars and worked at the same plant I work for 30 years. He was single all
>his life but had many livein's and girl friends along the way. He went to
>the classic car Auction/Sale in Ohio a few years back and took $100,000 cash
>with him in case he saw something he liked......need I say more?
>

Yeah, and there's no money in timber today, according to the loggers.
I was at an auction for a business in Aberdeen Wa. a couple of years
ago, One of the old timer loggers bought 3 '94 F350 4X4's. Paid cash, as in
$33,000. I know this for a fact as I was behind him in the line to pay for
what I bought....

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
97 Contour, Mine

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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:43:03 -0800 (PST)
From: canzus seanet.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Storing those old parts

At 01:00 AM 17:11:99 -0500, Serian wrote:
>> There is one spot in my new work shop you have to wear a hat though
>> because the oil in one of the diffs is leaking through the ceiling
>> boards......:-) Got to clean that up one day......some day.....before it
>> rots out my new 3/4" OSB and 2x8 joists :-)
>
>LoL ... but doesn't the oil help keep out any moisture that would
>induce rot ?
>

The problem with OSB is that the wood fibres will absorb the oil and
delaminate from the adhesive thats use to glue them together. It won't
rot, but it will fall apart. That would be a bad thing.....

Seems the new to me F100 needs a fuel pump, Runs fine on the flat, or
down hill, but climbing a grade wants to stumble/stall. Got the new
manifold gaskets, haven't installed them yet, but thats what weekends
are for.

For the guys/ladies who are wondering what OSB stands for; Oriented
Strand Board, It's a type of plywood that uses small chips of wood
fibre held together with a very good glue, and is *MUCH* cheaper to
purchase the true plywood...

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
97 Contour, Mine

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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 22:04:48 -0600
From: Kirk Baillie
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - old vs new

I posted it earlier but you guys must have missed it. Im from
Saskatchewam Canada. The cost is for insurance.

> >like car dealers.
>
> If He's in Washington State, I could believe this. However, the voting public
> has decided that 2.2% of the states assumed value of your vehicle is a little
> out of order, and we'll be paying $30.00 plus county fees as of 1Jan00. I'm
> a very happy camper at this point....
>
> Steve & the Rockette
> 68 F100, 390cid, FMX
> 63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
> 72 Capri 2000, hers
> 73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
> 73 MGB GT, Our Toy
> 94 SHO, SWMBO's
> 97 Contour, Mine
>
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:00:50 -0800 (PST)
From: canzus seanet.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Prolonging death 351/Steve's sermon

At 06:30 PM 17:11:99 -0800, Bird Sandi M CNFB wrote:
>I have been reading, without pleasure, all of your digs at women..not just
>Gary, but William Whited and Dennis Pearson and the rest of you "guys"

If you can find anything that I have said that was derogatory to women,
please post it. You obviously are not watching PBS, where the term
SWMBO came from. It's one thing to come into the middle of a conversation
and get the wrong idea as to what is being talked about, It's another thing
to give the listers h*ll because of it.

Maybe I should apologize for first bringing the term to the group?? Not
bloody
likely...

Like anything else, eventually, you get over it.

P.S: My SWMBO is a very capable mechanic. She usually points
out the obvious when I can't seem to figure it out. And I don't hold
it against her.


Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
97 Contour, Mine

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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 22:19:26 -0600
From: Kirk Baillie
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - old vs new

That was supposed to say Saskatchewan

Kirk Baillie wrote:
>
> I posted it earlier but you guys must have missed it. Im from
> Saskatchewam Canada. The cost is for insurance.
>
> > >like car dealers.
> >
> > If He's in Washington State, I could believe this. However, the voting public
> > has decided that 2.2% of the states assumed value of your vehicle is a little
> > out of order, and we'll be paying $30.00 plus county fees as of 1Jan00. I'm
> > a very happy camper at this point....
> >
> > Steve & the Rockette
> > 68 F100, 390cid, FMX
> > 63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
> > 72 Capri 2000, hers
> > 73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
> > 73 MGB GT, Our Toy
> > 94 SHO, SWMBO's
> > 97 Contour, Mine
> >
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:21:29 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Aluminum vs. Cast Iron Intake for FE Big Block

Offenhauser offers a 360 degree manifold for the FE. I don't know if it is
a spread bore or square bore design.

>> I plan to use the Offenhauser 360 degree manifold on my next 460 with the
>> Rochester carb I just picked up for $50 used. If you have to buy
>> both then
>> this might be a wise choice for a torque engine.

>Being an FE I'm not sure this is really a choice ...


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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:46:42 EST
From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Prolonging death 351

In a message dated 11/17/1999 2:00:15 AM Eastern Standard Time,
kbaillie home.com writes:


1200.00 bucks for plates. I can keep my 74's tank full for about 30
weeks with the money I save on plates alone.

Kirk Baillie
74 F250 4X4 highboy

Your in California I'd bet! And I'd agree. It's about the same with my '79
Bronco also.

George
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:01:17 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Prolonging death 351/Steve's sermon


>I own a 65 F-100, it was my dad's until he died and then I bought it from
my
>wicked stepmother. It has over 360,000 miles on the original engine, and
>although it needs a little body work and a paint job, it purrs like kitten
>and totally loves passing all those new cars and trucks on the freeway (our
>comfortable cruising speed is 70!!!), whether the bed is empty or loaded
>with hay, feed, or wood. And let me just tell you something, fellas!!!

Sounds like a nice unit.

>my EX used to think HE knew best, 'cause he was the man, and while I was at
>work he would do VERY STUPID stuff like having the stock steering wheel
>replaced with a midget mustang steering wheel (and THROW the stock one
>away!!!), or having the working stock radio replaced with a new fangled
>cassette player!!! I caught him once making arrangements to take out the
>"three on the tree" and putting in four on the floor, that was the last
>straw...

Sound like he was a moron.

>So, I dumped that jerk and had to go out and find a junkyard stock steering
>wheel and horn cap, still searching for the stock radio. And I have
finally
>gotten it almost back to the way it was, before a man got his hands on it.
>And the reason it runs so well, and purrs like a kitten, and cruises at 70
>mph is because I, a mere woman, take very good care of it (him, his name is
>Hank!!!) and I have tools that make most men jealous and would rather buy a
>new tool than a new dress. And would rather work on my truck or my ranch
>than go shopping, and I don't believe in keeping things around just because
>they look nice!!!!! And I would NEVER junk this truck and buy a new one,
>because I DO LOVE him and he has never let me down.

I have to respect someone who would look out for the best interest of a fine
truck like that.

>Also, for the record, none of the 3 men I was married to, knew the first
>thing about cars (couldn't even change a tire and NEVER changed the oil)
and
>ran them into the ground and then just bought new. I don't think I'm the
>exception, I do believe there are other women out there who like working on
>cars and trucks and aren't into the frilly crap that you guys seem to think
>they are. And there are other women out there, like me, who can out fence
>build, out barn build, out tractor work, etc. a lot of you good old boys.

Sounds like a pattern. Doubt you'll find those men here. You're right
there are several women on this list who care about working on their trucks
as much as you.

>I joined this group to try to get more information and ideas on some of the
>things I don't know how to fix on my truck, and ideas on where to buy parts
>for him, but you're starting to piss me off. If you want to bash, bash
your
>own wives or girlfriends, but quit bashing women in general.

Ask away. We'll be more than happy to help.

>California, Love my 65, Sandi


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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 00:13:28 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - How to improve fuel economy?

in my powerstroke diesel i got about 20mpg with synthetic oil and about 16
with conventional oil. but in my 78 with the 429 i don't drive it enough to
tell the difference.
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 03:10:29 EST
From: SevnD2 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Gender bashing,labels,stereotypes and blanket statements

Sandi ,
I have been a member of this list for a while now too ! You have used all of
the items listed in the subject line at least once and some more . I have
seen a few posts that are a little on the gender biased side , but don't come
close to bashing at all . I too would like to see the posts pointed out that
bashed women .

Have you ever heard of the " Argument of The Beard " ? It is a controversy
over how many hairs have to be on a mans face to call it a beard ! The point
I am making is what percentage of women have to be like you ( mechanically
inclined ) to say women are equal in mechanical fields ? On the other side of
the fence , how many men have to be like the three you married , before you
can label them inadequate mechanics ?
Do you see the pitfall here ? Everyone has their own number and opinion and
will express it . So what do you do ?
Well , you won't accomplish anything by attacking all of the guys on here !
Would you do that to a perfect stranger in person ? I don't think so ! I am
not attacking you , just trying to understand why you have attacked , bashed
and labeled the guys on this list including me !

Some of the people on this list will use some form of undesirable statement....


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