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61-79-list-digest Wednesday, November 17 1999 Volume 03 : Number 421



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Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans
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In this issue:

RE: FTE 61-79 - unleaded gas
RE: FTE 61-79 - 65 with too much gear
RE: FTE 61-79 - Aluminum vs. Cast Iron Intake for FE Big Block
RE: FTE 61-79 - Choke options
FTE 61-79 - Re: clutch in an automatic
FTE 61-79 - Re: Starters 400 = 460?
[none]
FTE 61-79 - marital tension
RE: FTE 61-79 - Selling My truck!!
RE: FTE 61-79 - Sizing of building
RE: FTE 61-79 - Storing those old parts
FTE 61-79 - old vs new
FTE 61-79 - custom trim
FTE 61-79 - RE: ?
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Starters 400 = 460?
RE: FTE 61-79 - "Custom" trim
RE: FTE 61-79 - Aluminum vs. Cast Iron Intake for FE Big Block
FTE 61-79 - Old vs. New
FTE 61-79 - Unleaded Gas
FTE 61-79 - Custom trim
RE: FTE 61-79 - Prolonging death in my 351M...
RE: FTE 61-79 - How to improve fuel economy?
RE: FTE 61-79 - unleaded gas
RE: FTE 61-79 - Unleaded Gas
Re: FTE 61-79 - Custom trim
Re: FTE 61-79 - Old vs. New
FTE 61-79 - 390 Stuff - Reverse FE pan
FTE 61-79 - RE:"Custom" trim
FTE 61-79 - Re: keyrings
FTE 61-79 - Re: Clutched Automatics
FTE 61-79 - Starters
FTE 61-79 - Aluminum on Castiron
RE: FTE 61-79 - Tire balancd
FTE 61-79 - 1966 Good Humor Ford for sale on eBay
FTE 61-79 - Re: keyrings
RE: FTE 61-79 - Aluminum vs. Cast Iron Intake for FE Big Block
FTE 61-79 - Key rings etc.
Re: FTE 61-79 - old vs new
Re: FTE 61-79 - old vs new
RE: FTE 61-79 - old vs new
FTE 61-79 - Re:
FTE 61-79 - shakin at 2900
RE: FTE 61-79 - Starters, 400 = 460?
RE: FTE 61-79 - Starters, 400 = 460?
Re: FTE 61-79 - keyrings
Re: FTE 61-79 - marital tension
RE: FTE 61-79 - Selling My truck!!
RE: FTE 61-79 - Selling My truck!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Old vs. New
FTE 61-79 - Aluminum vs Cast iron intake and my personal money pit
FTE 61-79 - Re: 300 split exhaust manifolds

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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 06:57:48 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - unleaded gas

Lisa, it doesn't matter any more since all gas is now unleaded. Some pumps
still call regular "unleaded" but the premium is also unleaded so they all
have the same destructive potential. All but the special built hot rod
powered trucks of the 60-70 vintage and expecially later ones use regular
and actually run better on it than on premium. The only time premium is
indicated is if you experience "lots" of spark knock. Most modern engines
will spark knock under certain conditions and that is acceptable but
remember that if you maintain that condition for very long some engine
damage may occur. Fortunately in most cases it is only for a few seconds
here and there while accelerating through the lower gears so no damage
occurs. If you do experience spark knock, try to minimize it by reducing
the rate of acceleration (give it less gas) for a moment untill it picks up
a little more speed than mash it again. I have to do this with my bronco if
I shift too early. That engine likes to rev a little more than the 460
before shifting to prevent the knocking.

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> >
>
> I LOVE IT CUZ IT'S CHEAP! LOL I can't tell when I have a
> higher octane gas in
> my truck, so why pay more when I can't feel the results, y'know?
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:28:26 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 65 with too much gear

There are several things involved with "Pickup and Speed" in your truck.
You probably have 4.10 rear gears and a T-98, T-18 or NP435 tranny all of
which are similar in gearing and operation. If you have over size tires on
it you will have less torque but more high speed capability and perhaps
better economy up to a point. If the tranny and diff have straight 90 wt
oil in them it will drag things down. A better choice is 50 wt gear lube in
the tranny and transfer case and 75-90 wt Mobil 1 synthetic in the diffs,
front and rear if 4wd. I use the Mobil 1 in all my gear boxes and it is a
definite improvement over the 90 wt.

Gearing is a part of the over all rpm loop, that is the tire size, rear
gearing and OD, if any, determine the engine rpm at any given speed. You
are probably running about 2500 rpm at 60 with a stock setup. Most trucks
were set up this way before EFI and OD trannys. If you are spinning faster
than that you are wasting economy and power unless you are towing heavy
loads on a regular basis in which case the 352 will want a little more rpm
to get higher in it's power band.

If you still have questions on this, look on the tag on the diff for clues
to the actual gearing, measure the tires for us and give us more info and we
can advise you further :-) If there is no tag you can determine the rough
gear specs by manually checking it. Again, if you still need help with this
let us know :-)

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> I have a 65 ford 250 with a 352 it has very low gears in the
> 4 speed trans
> and the rear is there some way I could adjust the trans to
> have better pickup
> and speed
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:49:11 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Aluminum vs. Cast Iron Intake for FE Big Block

I plan to use the Offenhauser 360 degree manifold on my next 460 with the
Rochester carb I just picked up for $50 used. If you have to buy both then
this might be a wise choice for a torque engine. If I understand the
drawings, it is actually a 3 plane manifold, dual plane primary and single
plane secondary. In any case you should be looking for a spread bore carb
setup for most low end torque with max top end potential. They don't flow
as well at WOT as a Holley but they run circles around them at low rpms and
throttle response is like a rheostat controlled DC motor :-)

I don't have any real data on the performance of this manifold yet but plan
to try it based on what I understand about it's design. Offenhauser has a
good rep so I rely a lot on that I guess :-) In any case the spread bore is
the king of off road and truck carbs for throttle response and low rpm
performance. I believe Bill is using one with an adapter and he feels it is
still an improvement over a square bore even with the less efficient adapter
setup and my experience with OEM spread bores is nothing but good :-)

If you can find one with the exhaust cross over I would serieously consider
that for a torque motor used on the street. As we've already discussed,
this aids in vaporization with little effect on performance and actually
improves low rpm performance, markedly.

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> yard, I was considering the possibility of buying a new
> aluminum intake
> instead. I'm not interested in high RPM power, but would like
> lots and lots
> of bottom & midrange power (seems more useable to me).
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:57:39 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Choke options

I know I'm a little late on this one but here goes anyway :-) I have used
every kind of choke since the 50's and the electric is hands down the
absolute best of the breed. Typically I have to adjust the black cap about
20 degrees of rotation between summer and winter for best performance but
that's all you have to do to it. Mine is held on with a spring metal
retainer that allows me to move it without even loosening the screws :-)
You can power it via the 12v from the ACC side of the ignignion switch. Not
sure what 8v would do with it but I think it needs the full 12v to work
right.

If you can get it that way, get the linkage setup with an adjustable choke
"speed" set screw for best versitility. My Holley has no adjustment and
works most of the time but to get the right idle speed I typically have to
set the choke richer than I would normally like and then the speed and choke
are not very well syncronized. With the set screw you can get the sync
perfected :-)

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> truck"..hehe. Has anyone heard of an electric choke? Anyone
> have other
> solutions? Thanks in advance!
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:02:16 -0500
From: Steve Schaefer
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: clutch in an automatic

> Naw. MOP*R did it back in the 60's to their famous 727. Only had to use the
> clutch when stopping or stopped and to initially take off. The rest was
> automatic. Don't remember how it worked out, but they ran them in Drag races
> for at least a couple of seasons if not more. Must not have panned out too
> good, cause it never went into production.
>
> Azie

Have you ever rode in one of these beasts. It is one of the most violent shifting
ride you will ever be in. A buddy has a turbo 400 set up this way. There is no
convertor to absorb the shock of the shift. I think a 2 stroke Briggs and Stratton
could break the tires loose with one of these trannies.

Steve S.
76 F-350 Crewcab (finally painted)
77 F-250 Supercab (yellow/purple)
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:22:53 -0500
From: "Brent Cole"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Starters 400 = 460?

From: Brent Cole FEDERAL-MOGUL on 11/17/99 08:22 AM


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Subject: Re: Starters 400 = 460?

I put the starter from the 400 on the 460 and gear teeth on the starter rubbed
the flywheel teeth (flex plate if you like, its a C6 tranny) in the retracted
position. I thought I would need another starter for the 460 but from what I am
hearing the starter I have should work? Correct? It also appears that the
flywheel teeth are rubbing the snout of the starter. The Truck is a 79 and my
460 is an 82. The starter bolted right up without any problems, like it was
made for it. Could it need shimming or some other special adaptation?

Thanks again

Brent




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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:24:08 -0500
From: "Brent Cole"
Subject: [none]

From: Brent Cole FEDERAL-MOGUL on 11/17/99 08:24 AM


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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:25:43 -0500
From: "J. Doss Halsey"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - marital tension

>My current
>girlfriend thinks it is the coolest thing that I can work on them.

Ah, courtship.

Doss Halsey
'68 F250, 390, sometime source of some minor marital tension.
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:52:26 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Selling My truck!!

How much would you like to get out of it? Give us a starting price that
satisfies your needs and we can go from there. Be prepared to go down on
your price since most will try to get a "Deal" out of you :-)

What area of Michigan? I'm near Ann Arbor :-)

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> Would anyone be interested in buying my truck??
> Here are the details and i am located in northern michigan:
> 1979 FORD f150
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:03:36 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Sizing of building

My wife still ribs me about keeping my dirt bikes in the house when I was
between wives. I had this huge black knobby tread pattern all the way
across my living room carpet (off white) and oil stains all over the oak
flooring in one of the bedrooms which I converted to a workshop since I had
no heat in the garage :-) Between wives.........Ah, if only I had
understood then........

I know a guy who did nothing in his spare time but restore and modify old
cars and worked at the same plant I work for 30 years. He was single all
his life but had many livein's and girl friends along the way. He went to
the classic car Auction/Sale in Ohio a few years back and took $100,000 cash
with him in case he saw something he liked......need I say more?

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> "garage". I usually keep the lawn mower, cherry picker,
> engine stand, and
> pair of offroad motorcycles in the back bedroom and bring
> them out only when
> needed!
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:07:55 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Storing those old parts

I know you are joking but the oil will break down the resins that hold the
OSB together and destroy it eventually and it will also cause the pine to
rot so I have to clean it up. I always have these big plans to epoxy
things, paint things, seal things before I use them and then I run out of
time and wind up using them unprotected and replacing them later :-(

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> LoL ... but doesn't the oil help keep out any moisture that would
> induce rot ?
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:00:41 -0600
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - old vs new

>> A friend of mine bought a new F150 4X4 a while back and is paying about
1200.00 bucks for plates. I can keep my 74's tank full for about 30
weeks with the money I save on plates alone.

Kirk Baillie
74 F250 4X4 highboy

Kirk,

Is this a one time fee or annual? Sounds like the state government doesn't
like car dealers.

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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:54:53 -0600
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - custom trim

Ah, yes, the old Custom mystery. Here is my understanding. Take it as you
will. Remember the old days when Henry was first making the Model T?
Everything else was pretty much custom. You ordered your car and they built
it for you the way you wanted it. Cars were for the rich. When other
manufacturer's realized that Henry's method was the best for their
pocketbook, they jumped on board. Someone that wasn't really rich and bought
an asembly line car wanted everyone to think that they had a true custom
job. Some bright marketing exec thought of tagging the cars with the Custom
logo. Custom was never registered as a trademark and thus was used by many
manufacturer's.

In the late 40s early 50s, Custom in a pickup line referred to the cab with
the big rear window or with multiple rear windows. In 1968, safety
regulations forbade pickups from having small rear windows anymore due to
visibility issues. In reality, evey truck that rolled off the assembly line
in the 60s and 70s was a custom due to the myriad of options available. Most
manufacturers are moving away from individual options and sticking with
option packages. Cut the number of variables and the cars/trucks get cheaper
to build.

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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:09:36 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: ?

Thank you very much for your insight, Brent :-)

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> From: Brent Cole FEDERAL-MOGUL on 11/17/99 08:24 AM
>
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
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> Subject:
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:15:35 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Starters 400 = 460?

Brent, did you put the spacer plate between the tranny and engine when you
installed the tranny? This plate is very important to getting both the
tranny/engine spacing right and also the starter/flywheel spacing.

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> I put the starter from the 400 on the 460 and gear teeth on
> the starter rubbed
> the flywheel teeth (flex plate if you like, its a C6 tranny)
> in the retracted
> position.
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:16:02 -0600
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - "Custom" trim

> If you had
> the
> > Custom cab in the earlier years wasn't that the "fancy" one
> (for a truck) ?
> >
> I don't know what fancy is but my 79 F250 "custom" is about as
> stripped as it
>

Look at a Custom Cab that's at least a decade older ... I think you'll find
they had at least rubber mats on the floor and some fancier seats, possibly
some trim too ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:25:09 -0600
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Aluminum vs. Cast Iron Intake for FE Big Block

> I plan to use the Offenhauser 360 degree manifold on my next 460 with the
> Rochester carb I just picked up for $50 used. If you have to buy
> both then
> this might be a wise choice for a torque engine.

Being an FE I'm not sure this is really a choice ...



> They don't flow
> as well at WOT as a Holley but they run circles around them at
> low rpms and
> throttle response is like a rheostat controlled DC motor :-)
>

Interesting analogy ... all I can think is "what happens when the rheostat
goes out?"

> I believe Bill is using one with an adapter and he
> feels it is
> still an improvement over a square bore even with the less
> efficient adapter
> setup and my experience with OEM spread bores is nothing but good :-)
>


I think this is what you will have to use, I've never seen (doesn't mean
they don't make it) an FE intake manifold with a quadrajet pattern on it ...
they made a ton of manifolds for this motor before I was born though so I
can't say they never made one ...




> Since I've got a rebuildable 390 just laying around taking up space,

I think we all wish we had this problem, except maybe Gary and DaveR :)

>I was considering the possibility of buying a new aluminum intake
>instead. I'm not interested in high RPM power, but would like lots and lots
>of bottom & midrange power (seems more useable to me).

I was looking at doing this as well ... the 2 I was looking at were the
Performer RPM from Edelbrock and the Weiand Stealth ... the Weiand was a bit
pricey, but the 0-6000 rpm band intrigued me ... I figured with the
edelbroke it would be hard to go wrong too ... then I found an intake off of
a 65 Galaxie for $50 ... the ports don't match the heads, but it seems to
work fine for me ...(its not aluminum, another heavy cast iron piece) ...

I also have a 390 4V intake sitting under my bench off of a 76 motor ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:17:08 -0800
From: "O'Connor"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Old vs. New

Gang,
P.S. I love the 60's fords, best models ever built

Tim 66F100
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:15:30 -0800
From: "O'Connor"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Unleaded Gas

List,
Ammoco sold unleaded gas long before unleaded gas was mandatory in the
70's. Didn't cars do alright then? I used to buy it and experienced no
side effects. Isn't it funny that their prices were competitive or cheaper
than the rest. Then, the unleaded thing came out and the Ammoco stations
disappeared and the price for unleaded went up!
Tim 66F100
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:21:00 -0600
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Custom trim

I think "Custom" became the base level trim thru attrition as some have
pointed out. Originally, the "Custom Cab" was the highest trim level, just
as "Galaxie" was the top of the line full-size Ford. Then came the Ranger
and the LTD. Then came the Ranger XLT and the LTD Brougham. Then came the
Lariat and the Crown Victoria. Soon there will be something to top that I
guess. The manufacturers are always coming up with something "new" which
relegates the "old" to a lower status. Notice now there is not anymore a
"Custom" or a "Galaxie". After a run at the bottom of the pecking order,
soon they weren't even good enough for that and were phased out. Kinda
like "small" soft drinks - notice how now the sizes usually START at
"medium" (how that is even possible is beyond me) and then go to "large"
and "extra large"? Same deal.
_
_| ~~. John Strauss
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:26:20 -0600
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Prolonging death in my 351M...

> Ok. Point well taken. I was referring to the "real" V8's vs the
> new electron
> motivated and assisted models which weren't around when the
> motors in this
> list were built. Just trying to keep in the spirit of things. Ive
> just got to
> watch those absolutes!
>

I know what you meant ... and take offense at the "real" V-8 stab, my 4.6
sounds meaner than a lot of the 8's I've heard lately ... :)

But I really don't want to start this debate, I'm just hasslin ya :)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:23:33 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - How to improve fuel economy?

If the engine has lots of miles on it you can't expect to gain much mileage
since it is not mechanically up to it. Valves, rings, lifters, cam among
other things all play into this loop. If the engine is fairly fresh, runs
well and doesn't smoke then you may be able to rebuild the carb, set the
float correctly along with getting the timing right etc. and make some
gains. On older engines, one of the most detrimental things is a sloppy
timing chain. IF the engine is otherwise in good shape but has over 100 k
miles on it you might make some improvement there too but don't do that
unless it seems to be indicated by other symptoms.

Flat lifters or partially flat lifters which still appear to work can
degrade the lobe timing and valve opening enough to degrade your performance
too.

If you don't take all these things into account you may be wasting time and
money trying to get more economy out of it :-(

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> Im looking into how I can get a few more miles out of my gallon.
> Currently im getting a little better then 8 mpg. I thought I would be
> better. The weather is getting colder with winter approaching so the
> mpg will only get worse. So any tips would be appreciated.
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 06:45:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Kordik
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - unleaded gas

While we are on the subject of Unleaded gas and valve
seats in older trucks? Has anyone had any long term
experience with any of the lead substitutes that you
can add to your fuel. Do they help. I know that at
least some of them, if not all, have warnings that
they are for off-road use only. I assume that is only
to satisfy the EPA.

I remember my FIL saying that both the leaded and
unleaded gas tanks at his ranch were filled from the
same section of the tanker and then they put the lead
additive into his leaded tank.

Thanks,

Steve Kordik

71 F-250 4X4
98 Club Wagon, Super Duty (E350), Extended
etc.


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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:50:29 -0600
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Unleaded Gas

> Ammoco sold unleaded gas long before unleaded gas was mandatory in the
> 70's. Didn't cars do alright then?


Okay, lets back up a few decades ... fuels in the early years were not much
to write home about ... then in the 30's they started figuring out how to
refine things better and the fuels were getting closer to the standards we
have today ... but back then there was no lead in the fuel, and none was
expected, so the cars dealt with it just fine (it was No lead in those days,
not unleaded since they'd never had it before it couldn't be un-anything)
... then in the 50's and 60's (yes it was that recent) they discovered they
could run higher compressions and get more power from the motors with the
addition of the tetra-ethyl lead ... the increased octane reduced the
knocking and all the cool stuff that gave us the muscle cars and hi-powered
engines of the 50's and 60's ... eventually the engines came to rely on the
lead for the valves, but that was more of a side effect of cheap
manufacturing practices, where the early years were already set up for the
no lead ... not to mention that the compressions were much lower so the need
was less ...

Heck look at our 50 Buick, that old straight 8 will run anything that'll
burn ... very low compression motor ... but our 57 Olds has nearly 10:1 if I
remember right ... and that may be a big car, but the 3 deuces really wake
it up, can even spin the tires a little with 5 people in the car ... (no
Dad, I'm just guessing ;)

Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 06:53:08 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Custom trim

Thanks for your message at 08:21 AM 11/17/99 -0600, John Strauss. Your
message was:
Kinda
>like "small" soft drinks - notice how now the sizes usually START at
>"medium" (how that is even possible is beyond me) and then go to "large"
>and "extra large"? Same deal.
> _
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...and I thought Texas invented "large..."
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 06:54:30 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Old vs. New

Thanks for your message at 09:17 AM 11/17/99 -0800, O'Connor. Your message
was:
>Gang,
>P.S. I love the 60's fords, best models ever built
>
>Tim 66F100

Now, here's a guy that knows Ford Trucks!



Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:53:21 -0600
From: "Brian C Nyman"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 390 Stuff - Reverse FE pan

I had to get mine off a stock 1978 4x4. The body had been pulled and the motor
was blown, so it was pretty easy. We took the oil pickup and pan at the same
time. My guess is these are few and far between, but not impossible to locate.

Good luck,

Brian Nyman
bnyman allina.com
'58 Ford F100 - 390 C6

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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:37:13 PST
From: "Stephen Brown"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE:"Custom" trim

>I don't know what fancy is but my 79 F250 "custom" is about as >stripped
>as it
>can get,,,had an original AM radio, no air, rubber floormat, nothing
>else,,,all you got with this truck new was power steering power >brakes and
>a heater

Hey, at least your "Custom" has a radio & PS....:-)
What Gary says makes the most sense, but the more I think about it, a
truck called "Plain Ol'Truck" wouldn't have much appeal to the consumer, so
they had to call it something.:-)




Stephen B.
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:18:50 -0500
From: "Don Haring, Jr."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: keyrings

John LaGrone said:
>I am looking for a set of Ford logo leather key sheathes that were popular
>in the 50's. They have a little double headed screw that holds the keys in,
>then the keys fold out like knife blades. Gary and Azie know what I mean. I
>had several years ago but didn't realize their value and wore them out. One
>was from the first Ford dealer in Killeen. Hindsight....

I don't have a *Ford* key "sheath" (is that what they're called? I have no
idea), but I have a generic blue one. I bought it at a garage sale. The guy
had a whole box of them, and if I had realized how hard they are to find, I
would have bought more than one. In addition to being a cool vintage thing
that no one else seems to use, it does keep the other keys away from the
dash. As John said, there is a semi circle scratch along the dash where the
PO's keys were a-swingin'. When I repaint everything, I'd rather avoid
that. The only problem with the key sheath is that each loop is held in by
two tangs. They sometimes bend a bit and as is the case now, my ignition
key wants to fall out. I need to pinch it all together with pliers, but
like most easy jobs, I keep putting it off. :) I also carry a set of keys
on a belt loop, but the key sheath makes a nice compact set.

- -don

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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:56:02 -0700
From: "Richard Currit"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Clutched Automatics

> Tom writes: >>I remember reading some silliness >in a hot rodding
mag about someone using a >clutch in an automatic. Always passed it
off as a >typo.
>Azie adds:
> Naw. MOP*R did it back in the 60's to their >famous 727. Only had
to use the clutch when >stopping or stopped and to initially take off.
The >rest was automatic. Don't remember how it worked
> out, but they ran them in Drag races for at least a >couple of
seasons if not more. Must not have >panned out too good, cause it never
went into >production.

Actually it worked great, but with major improvements made to stall
converters it became obsolete. It also goes back much further with
MoPars. I had a '53 DeSoto Firedome with the "hydromatic" tranny. It
had a column shift that went "RLNH" and a clutch. You used the clutch
to move the lever, but once in place you could drive like a regular
auto. Also "L" went through 1st and 2nd like and auto and "H" went
through 3rd and 4th. Confused everybody who ever rode with me. FTE
content: I put a new fuel pump on the 300 l6 a couple of weeks ago and
picked up mucho new power. Also got rid of a surge I used to get at
about 60mph. But now I've noticed a shake in the front end (I think)
from 45 to about 55mph. It is still there at 65 but not near as bad.
Anybody know what the first things to check are? Please and thanks.

High Plains Richard
'71 F-100, 300 I6


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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:05:55 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Starters

Brent C. writes: >> I am (I think) ready to start my transplanted 460 in my 79
F250 and was
wondering if the starter from the orgional 400 will work on the 460. I know
many of you have done this swap, so this ought to be an easy one. Thanks for
the information.

Mine did. One is automatic that was originally behind a 400, and one is NP435
with the 351M/400 bellhousing.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:13:23 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Aluminum on Castiron

Danger writes: >> What are the advantages and disadvantages of aluminum vs.
cast iron
intake manifolds? I've heard that aluminum heads on an iron block may have
difficulty maintaining a seal because of the different expansion rates. This
sounds logical to me, but wouldn't an aluminum intake combined with cast
iron block & heads also have similar difficulty maintaining a seal? Don't
aluminum blocks have steel sleeves? What about the type of antifreeze used?

All the major auto Mfg's have for several years been putting aluminum heads on
castiron blocks. There are some expansion differences that cause some problems,
but most of them are minor nowdays. I ran an aluminum intake on a 390 for
several years with no problems. I also ran an aluminum intake on my drag '69
428SCJ Stang with no problems. I've read on this list of problems with the
antifreeze electrolysis disadvantage, but have not seen any illeffects of it
personally. I currently have 2 vehicles with castiron blocks and aluminum heads
and both have in excess of 135,000 miles on them and have never turned a bolt on
either in the head area. I have replaced the timing belts on both, but that is
all. No problems to date.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:18:36 -0600
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Tire balancd

> Also got rid of a surge I used to get at
> about 60mph. But now I've noticed a shake in the front end (I think)
> from 45 to about 55mph. It is still there at 65 but not near as bad.
> Anybody know what the first things to check are? Please and thanks.
>

Try popping into neutral when its pretty bad and see if it goes away or not
... if it goes away, then its likely engine related, if it continues, then
check the tires as it sounds like they are out of balance, but it could be
any number of drive train things ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:21:48 -0500
From: "Don Haring, Jr."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1966 Good Humor Ford for sale on eBay

I saw this in the newsgroups and thought somebody light get a kick out it.
It's a 1966 Good Humor truck, restored, at auction on eBay. Looks like it
has the 240 engine. If you win the truck, you apparently get 2000 popsicles
to go along with it! Ha :)

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PS: I have nothing to do with the truck, I'm just passing it along.

- -don

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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:44:38 -0600
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: keyrings

> John LaGrone said:
>>I am looking for a set of Ford logo leather key sheathes that were popular
>>in the 50's. They have a little double headed screw that holds the keys in,
>>then the keys fold out like knife blades. Gary and Azie know what I mean. I
>>had several years ago but didn't realize their value and wore them out. One
>>was from the first Ford dealer in Killeen. Hindsight....
>
> I don't have a *Ford* key "sheath" (is that what they're called? I have no
> idea), but I have a generic blue one. I bought it at a garage sale. The guy
> had a whole box of them, and if I had realized how hard they are to find, I
> would have bought more than one. In addition to being a cool vintage thing
> that no one else seems to use, it does keep the other keys away from the
> dash. As John said, there is a semi circle scratch along the dash where the
> PO's keys were a-swingin'. When I repaint everything, I'd rather avoid
> that. The only problem with the key sheath is that each loop is held in by
> two tangs. They sometimes bend a bit and as is the case now, my ignition
> key wants to fall out. I need to pinch it all together with pliers, but
> like most easy jobs, I keep putting it off. :) I also carry a set of keys
> on a belt loop, but the key sheath makes a nice compact set.
>
> -don
>
> --
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>
Don, I think what you have is a key wallet. I have had several styles of
those, too, hard case, trifold soft, two layer. They are better than a
keyring in regards to sctratches, but tend to be bulky in your pocket. My
wife uses one still.

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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:47:56 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Aluminum vs. Cast Iron Intake for FE Big Block

That's the beauty of it, the rheostat never goes out :-)

PAW lists the FE engine in it's Offy line up I'm pretty sure (haven't looked
at the ad in a while but that's how I remember it). They had virtually
every ford engine in there I can think of for that manifold. This is the
only Ford intake made I know of that is specifically made to fit the
Rochester spread bore carb on a ford application. Some square bore
manifolds have both bolt patterns and large cutouts to allow mounting the
spread bores but they are not optimized for them and these are not optimized
for square bore either since the plenum opening does not match the carb very
well. In my experience, nothing beats "made to order" in that department.
The OEM's know this and virtually every OEM intake has plenum openings to
fit the carb made for it for this reason.

Adapters will work and one size fits all manifolds will work but not as well
as one made for the applicaion. I don't use one size fits all wheels
either. Just something about an elongated hole and uneven loading of the
lugs that doesn't sit well with me :-)

While I'm thinking about it, Intake manifolds which do not match the heads
will work well enough as long as the head ports are larger than the manifold
ports otherwise you get what's called reversion. Putting a CJ intake on a
stock head might work but I wouldn't expect it to work as well as even a
stock intake due to this (assuming you could even mount it that is :-))

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> Interesting analogy ... all I can think is "what happens when
> the rheostat
> goes out?"
>
> I think this is what you will have to use, I've never seen
> (doesn't mean
> they don't make it) an FE intake manifold with a quadrajet
> pattern on it ...
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:49:51 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Key rings etc.

John LaG writes: >>I am looking for a set of Ford logo leather key sheathes
that were popular
in the 50's. They have a little double headed screw that holds the keys in,
then the keys fold out like knife blades.

Had completely forgotten those. Haven't seen one in 40 years or so. The memory
is completely gone it seems.
Thanks for the memory jolt.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:48:29 +0000 (GMT)
From: David Henderson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - old vs new

> Is this a one time fee or annual? Sounds like the state government=20
doesn't
> like car dealers.

John:

More than likely it is the annual state property tax. Unlike Texas,=20
many states consider your vehicle taxable property. So not only do=20
you pay a "road" tax (which Texas does), but you also pay a property=20
tax, and sometimes even an additional school tax. I remember the=20
shock when I moved to Kentucky after my first stint in grad school. =20
First, I had to pay 6% sales tax on a vehicle that I had owned for 2=20
years (but in another state). Second, after I had been in the state=20
for five months (moved in late October), I had to pay property tax and=20
school tax on my truck again in March. The annual tax on my 1983=20
truck was about $200. Here in Virginia, they are phasing out the=20
property tax on vehicles, but we still pay a town tax on vehicles (got=20
the notice 2 days ago). Ah, to be back home where there's no income=20
tax and vehicles are cheaper to own (tax wise). I can always dream.=20
;^)

Dave H

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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:37:26 -0600
From: Kirk Baillie
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - old vs new

This is an annual thing. I pay 300 for my 74 F250. Another friend
pays ~800 for his 90 Mustang. Im sure SGI loves car dealers they just
love fat wallets more ( and every time you get in an accident you pay
750 if its your fault. By the way I'm from Saskatchewan, Canada.


> Is this a one time fee or annual? Sounds like the state government doesn't
> like car dealers.
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:42:23 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - old vs new

They started to do a sales tax thing here in Michigan but I think it got
voted down. They did manage to get the license costs up with some kind of
formula based on current value with some minimum for older vehicles but I've
never paid that much even on a new car. Seems like I paid a little over
$100 once but the rest of them have been less than $100 per vehicle. Since
the dealer handles the first plate and sales tax we generally never see that
cost unless you look at the paper work (I never do, just toss it in the file
when I get home :-))

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> This is an annual thing. I pay 300 for my 74 F250. Another friend
> pays ~800 for his 90 Mustang. Im sure SGI loves car dealers they just
> love fat wallets more ( and every time you get in an accident you pay
> 750 if its your fault. By the way I'm from Saskatchewan, Canada.
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:18:33 -0600
From: Craig Cantrell
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:

Huh, Brent must of had a misfire ;>)

Brent Cole wrote:

> From: Brent Cole FEDERAL-MOGUL on 11/17/99 08:24 AM
>
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> cc:
> Subject:
>
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 01:25:15 -0500
From: Dayton Boyd
Subject: FTE 61-79 - shakin at 2900

Just got a quick question thats been buggin the crap out of me, my
trucks starts vibrating really abd at exactlly 2900 rpm, and then clears
off at 3000 just fine. Its the ONLY time is shakrs, and its pretty
bad. I was thinking that maybe it has something to do with my solid
home-made motor mounts. Just wanted to get a clue before I order a set
from L&L..

Cowyboy Up!!

Dayton
'78 F250 4x4, 460



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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:12:03 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Starters, 400 = 460?

Gary wrote:
>They actually both have 4 poles. The lever contains the pole which is
>pulled in by the field windings like a selenoid. The pole pulls the lever
>end which is attached to the drive and this pushes the drive out into the
>flywheel at the same time the contacts in the starter energize the starter
>motor. 3 of the poles are bolted to the frame the fourth is attached to the
>drive lever under the dust cover. Because it is moveable it will never
>generate the same torque as a solid pole so the selenoid version is
>stronger.

Ahhh, thanks Gary... my confusion is lifted! I'm glad to realize that
they're both really 4-pole, because the thought of a 3-pole starter
kinda gave me the creeps...
The, uhh, "3-pole" one is what's on my FE. I'm not sure that I've ever
seen the "4-pole" type with an actual electric solenoid (that's "selenoid"
in other parts of the country :-) on a Ford. Guess I'll have to keep
my eyes open.

And SHill48337 aol.com wrote:

>If you look at the heavy duty starter it has the
>engagement solenoid (looks like a GM starter) that completes the circuit and
>engages the gear.

Hmmm, "completes the circuit"? So does the solenoid type also contain
a set of big contacts to switch the motor on? (Two wires, one big one
direct to the battery, and one small one to energize the solenoid when
key is turned?) Or does it just tie the motor and solenoid leads together
at the starter and run one big wire up to the standard Ford starter relay?
(no contacts in solenoid)
I assumed that it was the latter, but when you said "completes the circuit"
it made me wonder...

>The circuit then goes to 3 poles in series and one pole in
>parallel, through the armature via brushes and to ground. The 3 series
>(series with the armature) poles draw high current and provide a lot of
>torque, the 1 parallel pole (has many turns of fine wire as opposed the
>series which is very heavy wire) adds some torque, but maintains some speed
>control of the starter. The term parallel means current flow is through the
>pole coil to ground being in a parallel path with the armature.

O.K, that makes sense.

> All of the
>starters have 2 sets of North/South poles.

Good, I was starting to worry that there might be starters out there
with only 3-poles, and that concept made my brain hurt!

>I have found both types of
>starters wired with the 3 series 1 parallel poles set up.

So the solenoid type starters also have the "3 series, 1 parallel"
field setup? That's interesting...

> Gary you mentioned
>the permanent magnet (PM) type can we back fit these on to our old trucks?

Per-mags are nice, they are usually quite a bit more compact for a
given torque than a regular "wound field" type motor.
They can also be a little delicate. Excessive heat can temporarily or
permanately weaken the magnets, and the magnets tend to be brittle and
physical shock can shatter them. I once broke a rather expensive
industrial starter motor when I was installing it. It slipped out
of my hands and dropped about 18" onto concrete. It appeared
undamaged externally, but it broke one of the magnets. When I powered
it up it made an ugly noise and jammed up. The armature had grabbed
some chunks of the broken magnet and dragged them through the works
and made a big expensive mess...
Per-mag motors are good, but I've seen several with broken magnets
because they got dropped or someone whacked it with a hammer trying
to free up a stuck brush or something. Be gentle with them.

I've heard of per-mag starters for small-block Ford applications,
but I've never heard of one for big-block applications. Of course,
I've never seen the Ford "solenoid" type starter either, so that
doesn't mean much, does it?


Steve
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:08:57 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Starters, 400 = 460?

Ok, I don't speellll so goud :-)

The HD version hooks up exactly like the standard version. It has an
external jumper on it from the factory.

All ford engines have a version of the PM starter available for them
including the 460 since that's all we have made for several years now. I
understand you have to put a jumper on it also to make it work with older
relays etc. but there is one that will fit as I understand it.

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> (that's "selenoid"
> in other parts of the country :-) on a Ford. Guess I'll
>
> Hmmm, "completes the circuit"? So does the solenoid type
> also contain
> a set of big contacts to switch the motor on? (Two wires, one big one
> direct to the battery, and one small one to energize the
> solenoid when
> key is turned?) Or does it just tie the motor and solenoid

> > Gary you mentioned
> >the permanent magnet (PM) type can we back fit these on to
> our old trucks?
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:58:35 EST
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - keyrings

In a message dated 11/16/1999 5:53:54 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
jlagrone ford-trucks.com writes:


all of that mass hanging in the breeze will make a nice round semicircular
scratch on the lower dash panel >>

BTDT!!

My keys are split into five keyrings
two of which separate so there are really seven rings. There are 3 vehicles,
the house, work (1 of which is a master that fits 98% of the building doors
and that ring still has about 15 on it.

Dang! You must be a math whiz or somethin! LOL

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~SIlly boys...trucks are for GIRLS~*~*
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:59:52 EST
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - marital tension

In a message dated 11/17/1999 2:00:54 PM !!!First Boot!!!, halsey isl-inc.com
writes:

My current
>girlfriend thinks it is the coolest thing that I can work on them.

Ah, courtship. >>

Can someone fill me in? I think I missed the first part???

*~*~Lisa~*~*
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:22:35 PST
From: "James Stepke"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Selling My truck!!

I think i will start the bidding at 3,000 or BO!! I think the truck is very
rare and if you saw it you would see the kind of shape it is in!! Any
offers??

Thanks
James

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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:23:11 PST
From: "James Stepke"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Selling My truck!!

I am in Traverse City, MI!! Kinda bye the top of the Pinky!!

Thanks
James

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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:15:38 -0500
From: j arnold
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Old vs. New

At 06:54 AM 11/17/99 -0800, you wrote:
>Thanks for your message at 09:17 AM 11/17/99 -0800, O'Connor. Your message
>was:
>>Gang,
>>P.S. I love the 60's fords, best models ever built
>>
>>Tim 66F100
>
>Now, here's a guy that knows Ford Trucks!
>
>
>
>Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

This one is very easily settled before a flame war breaks out using plain
ole "Ford Logic". The 70's were the greatest trucks, when I'm in my '79,
but the 60's were best when around the old '68, however, you'll never beat
the 50's if I'm toying with the '57. My "workhorse" is my '83 and you'll
never top it.

stoney

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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:48:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Ballinger
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Aluminum vs Cast iron intake and my personal money pit

Don't do what I'm doing right now.

I started out with a good 390 shortblock and a set of
so-so redone heads that I thought I'd "freshen up" and
add a litttle power to...

Well let's see, I paid for my kit today, right at
$1000. It has TRW forged flat-top pistons, Clevite
bearings, Sealed Power rings, a CompCams solid lifter
270 S-10 cam lifters and springs, and a set of Speed
Pro 1.76 adjustable rocker arms and matching pushrods.
I already had a Fel-Pro gasket set, so I passed on
the gaskets. The valve train was the money pit, it
cost half of the kit!

The machine work will be right at $800, as we decided
that the guides in my heads needed replaced, and the
block needs a .020 overbore. The crank will clean up
.010-.010. They are going to also open up the filter
to oil pump passage to 7/16 and block off the
hydraulic lifter galleys. They do top notch machine
work, with beautiful finish quality.

It started out to be simple deal, and now look at it!

I'm going to use an Edelbrock Performer 390. Jim
McFarland, former editor at Hot Rod magazine, and high
performance guru told me that he did alot of the
development work on that intake, and he thinks it's....


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