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61-79-list-digest Wednesday, November 17 1999 Volume 03 : Number 420



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - keyrings
Re: FTE 61-79 - Sizing of building
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Prolonging death 351
Re: FTE 61-79 - Selling My truck!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Selling My truck!!
RE: FTE 61-79 - Prolonging death 351/Steve's sermon
Re: FTE 61-79 - Selling My truck!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Gear Vendors
FTE 61-79 - Re: Split manifold for I-6 240/300
FTE 61-79 - Re: After Market body parts
RE: FTE 61-79 - Prolonging death 351/Steve's sermon
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Split manifold for I-6 240/300
RE: FTE 61-79 - Prolonging death 351/Steve's sermon
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Don't post your chain letters and urban legends to the lists!
Re: FTE 61-79 - "Custom" trim
FTE 61-79 - 1978 Ford f150 parting out sale
FTE 61-79 - Storing those old parts
Re: FTE 61-79 - Prolonging death in my 351M...
Re: FTE 61-79 - Starters, 400 = 460?
FTE 61-79 - Re: Clutched Automatics
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Prolonging death 351
FTE 61-79 - How to improve fuel economy?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Windsor designations ?

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:03:07 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - keyrings

Thanks for your message at 11:44 AM 11/16/99 -0600, John LaGrone. Your
message was:
>I am looking for a set of Ford logo leather key sheathes that were popular
>in the 50's. They have a little double headed screw that holds the keys in,
>then the keys fold out like knife blades. Gary and Azie know what I mean. I
>had several years ago but didn't realize their value and wore them out. One
>was from the first Ford dealer in Killeen. Hindsight....

I have one in my left pants pocket at this moment. It holds the keys to my
'66....Ooops! There go my pants again...


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:23:21 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Sizing of building

> Gary writes: >>BTW, if anyone is thinking about building a work
shop/storage
> building.........calculate what you think you need, double it, then
multiply
> by something to the power of..........
>
> I second that. Mine is 40'X60' and much too small.
>
> Azie
> Ardmore Al.
............

I can only dream of a 40' x 60' garage while I squeeze one of my full
size 69 F250's, 2 roll away tool boxes and air compressor in a 25' x 10 1/2'
area. Anybody interested in a set of large western style mirrors? I had to
replace the mirrors on both of my trucks in order to get them inside the
"garage". I usually keep the lawn mower, cherry picker, engine stand, and
pair of offroad motorcycles in the back bedroom and bring them out only when
needed!


Danger
danger csolutions.net
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:44:13 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Prolonging death 351

I think you'll find that most people on this list have "personal"
attachments to their vehicles or they wouldn't even be here. Have you priced
a new F series lately? You wanna talk about "serious money"...if you can't
afford to fix an old truck then how on earth can you afford the payments on
a new one?

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Gary L. Perry
To:
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 1999 11:18 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Prolonging death 351


> I fail to understand WHY people wish to run the S--- out
> of their trucks, when it's obvious that they need serious work.
> Problem is: It takes serious money to rebuild old, worn equipment
> and is generally NOT worth time unless, you have some "personal"
> love of the vehicle. That's why they make NEW trucks, to replace
> the old. If one can't afford to fix-it, then buy something you don't
> have to fix! "G"



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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:55:38 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Selling My truck!!

Didn't you just buy this truck?!

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"


- ----- Original Message -----
From: James Stepke
To:
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Selling My truck!!


> I forgot, It also has a Gear Vendors OD!!
>
> Thanks
> James
>
> Would anyone be interested in buying my truck??
> Here are the details and i am located in northern michigan:
> 1979 FORD f150
> 4x4
> 400M V8
> 141,000 miles
> AC
> Dual Tanks
> Long Bed
> Special Indy 500 Edition!!
> 4.11 Gears
> Limited Slip Rear
> C6 Tranny
> Very NIce Shape, would looke better with a paint job!!
> Intermintent Wipers
> Runs good, has an exhaust manifold leak!!
> I will post pictures soon!
>
> Will take Best Offer!!



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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:43:10 PST
From: "Mark Mcknight"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Selling My truck!!

I'll give ya 50 bucks and a case of beer =) j/k hehe... but she sounds like
a sweet truck man.




> > I forgot, It also has a Gear Vendors OD!!
> >
> > Thanks
> > James
> >
> > Would anyone be interested in buying my truck??
> > Here are the details and i am located in northern michigan:
> > 1979 FORD f150
> > 4x4
> > 400M V8
> > 141,000 miles
> > AC
> > Dual Tanks
> > Long Bed
> > Special Indy 500 Edition!!
> > 4.11 Gears
> > Limited Slip Rear
> > C6 Tranny
> > Very NIce Shape, would looke better with a paint job!!
> > Intermintent Wipers
> > Runs good, has an exhaust manifold leak!!
> > I will post pictures soon!
> >
> > Will take Best Offer!!
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:09:16 -0800
From: "James Barker"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Prolonging death 351/Steve's sermon

Ok, what is HWWTBO?

Jim Barker
'75 F150 Supercab FE390/C6

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com
[mailto:owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Hogan, Tom
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 8:50 AM
To: '61-79-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Prolonging death 351/Steve's sermon


She Who Must Be Obeyed. Wife, girlfriend, significant other, life partner,
etc.

Tom H

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Godsey [mailto:godzilla lightspeed.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 8:33 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Prolonging death 351/Steve's sermon


Okay, I'm lost. What is SWMBO?
Jerry (Confused in cyberland) Godsey

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:50:35 PST
From: "James Stepke"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Selling My truck!!

Yes i did!! I have decide(with help from my parents) that I (being a poor
college student), do not need two vehicles!! I really can't afford it and
with it being an old truck it will surely need money and i will want to
upgrade and restore it so it will become a money pit. I really need money
for college so i am forced to sell it!! Thanks and pass the word on about
the truck if you could please.
Thanks In Advance
James

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:58:59 PST
From: "James Stepke"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Gear Vendors

How much would you be willing to pay for this unit?? I know it is 2400 or
so new!! What do ya think about the whole truck, wanna buy it??
Thanks
James



Welcome to the list James: You write: >>Next, there is a
button that is mounted under the dash under the headlight switch that is
green and says "Gear Vendor O/D." What the heck is it?? It doesn't seem to
do anything when i push it. It is lighted and has two positions, in and
out!!

Gear Vendors is a California based aftermarket supplier of
Underdrives/Overdrives. They have some very Pricey stuff. Haven't a clue
as to
the reliability of the units, but looking under your vehicle, you should be
able
to spot the unit somewhere in the driveline. I am always interested in more
gears(I like to have my cake and eat it also). If in fact you do have a
Gear
Vendors Overdrive in your vehicle, I would be very interested in it.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:25:47 -0500
From: "Serian"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Split manifold for I-6 240/300

> Did some later 300 engines have split (two-piece) exhaust manifolds,
> and if so, what years? I don't want to use headers on my 240, but I
> would consider these manifolds if they are available at my local
> junkyards, and if they offer any advantages. Is a dual exhaust system
> beneficial on a straight six?

That depends on what you mean by "split manifolds". On the 300
I-6, the combination manifold is cast in two seperate pieces, and it
is possible to seperate the intake manifold and exhaust manifold after
taking them both off as a unit. I don't think Ford made a factory
stock exhaust manifold for the I-6 that was anything but the 6 holes in,
one hole out type. There may very well be aftermarket manifolds that
you can get which would route 3 cylinders of exhaust out one pipe
and the other 3 cylinders of exaust out a seperate pipe ... or just about
any sort of arrangement.

With my 300 I-6, I have found it to work admirably well with just
single exhaust. I would think there are some benefits to letting the
waste gases out a little faster, but an I-6 is a better low RPM torque
engine than a high RPM power screamer. This being the case, if the
engine is used to its best capabilities, it doesn't require being able
to "breathe" as fast, so the realized benefits may not measure up to
the cost of the equipment that you buy. Mostly, it depends on what
you want and like ... and what you use your I-6 for.




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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:34:17 EST
From: FORDTRKNUT aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: After Market body parts

I used aftermarket doors from Japan about a year ago. The spot weld
seperated when the door skin & innner door meet. They are also a little
thinner then the original doors...they seem to be really flexy. They are
GARBAGE in my opinion. I am going to put a set I had sent from Arizona (I
live in New Jesey...AKA "The Construction State") by a friend on. If you are
going to sell the truck after you put the doors on...then do it. Otherwise I
would say "Hell No"!!! I am not sure, but was told that FORD is still
stamping the doors (But I really doubt it). Any Questions....Just Ask!!!

Wayne Grabley
1973 F-250 Custom 4x4 (with 460) "And splitting Jap Crap Doors"
1979 F-350 Ranger Lariet 4x4 (with 460)
1979 Bronco Ranger XLT
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:00:26 -0800 (PST)
From: canzus seanet.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Prolonging death 351/Steve's sermon

At 08:01 AM 16:11:99 -0500, Peters, Gary (G.R.) wrote:
>From SWMBO's stand point You go to work to earn money then you come home and
>spend all your time working on your truck and when you spend $300 on parts
>it seems like a lot of money.

True enough, but when SWMBO goes and buys a new dishwasher, you ain't
gonna stick in the trunk of her SHO....


> "Why do you have to be different?"

I've been an outsider all my life, why should I change to suit everyone else??

>"I never get to spend time with you anymore, you're always out there working
>on something"

Do what I did, Buy SWMBO a comfy pair of overalls, And ask her to help......

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
97 Contour, Mine

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:11:00 -0500
From: "Phil / Debi"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Split manifold for I-6 240/300

> > Did some later 300 engines have split (two-piece) exhaust manifolds,
> > and if so, what years?

My 91 with 300 engine has a factory exhaust manifold that has duals coming
off it and go into single exhaust. I think all fuel injected 300's had them,
but not sure.

Phil Beattie
66 F100
79 F250 4x4
91 F150 4x4
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:14:54 -0800 (PST)
From: canzus seanet.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Prolonging death 351/Steve's sermon

At 04:09 PM 16:11:99 -0800, James Barker wrote:
>Ok, what is HWWTBO?

He Who Wants To Be Obeyed, but usually isn't

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
97 Contour, Mine

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:43:15 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Don't post your chain letters and urban legends to the lists!

In the future any forwarding "gullibility viruses", i.e., chain
emails containing urban legends or "virus" warnings, will be
uns*bscribed. Its a major hassle dealing with them, especial
when they have files attached and bounce off the list filters.
Never forward emails without first checking out the facts.

Ken Payne
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:03:01 EST
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - "Custom" trim

In a message dated 11/16/99 10:42:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,
wish iastate.edu writes:

> ahahaha ... that's a good thought ... but digging back a ways, wasn't the
> custom actually the top of the line when it first came out ? If you had
the
> Custom cab in the earlier years wasn't that the "fancy" one (for a truck) ?
>
I don't know what fancy is but my 79 F250 "custom" is about as stripped as it
can get,,,had an original AM radio, no air, rubber floormat, nothing
else,,,all you got with this truck new was power steering power brakes, and a
heater
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:32:31 EST
From: DR11AGON aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1978 Ford f150 parting out sale

FOR SALE:
351M WITH EDELBROCK PERFORMER INTAKE, CRANE RV CAM, NEW HEAD GASKETS,
NEW TIMING CHAIN.-$300 C-6 TRANSMISSION.-$200. NP 205 TRANSFER CASE.- $300.
HEAVY DUTY STEERING GEAR BOX, NEW SLIDING-REAR-WINDOW-$40, NEW DOOR
WEATHERSTRIP- $50, PARKING BRAKE CABLE FOR SUPERCAB-$40, (4) B.F. GOODRICH
35" ALL-TERRAINS WITH 3/4 TREAD-$250, NEWER RADIATOR FOR 351 CU.IN. ENGINE-
$50, NEWER REAR GAS TANK-$50. I LIVE IN THE PHILADELPHIA, PA AREA. I AM
LOOKING FOR LOCAL BUYER, DO NOT WANT TO SHIP PARTS. NEED TO SELL ASAP. MAKE
OFFER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
E-MAIL: DR11AGON AOL.COM
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 01:00:23 -0500
From: "Serian"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Storing those old parts

> There is one spot in my new work shop you have to wear a hat though
> because the oil in one of the diffs is leaking through the ceiling
> boards......:-) Got to clean that up one day......some day.....before it
> rots out my new 3/4" OSB and 2x8 joists :-)

LoL ... but doesn't the oil help keep out any moisture that would
induce rot ?

I have one of those "treasure piles" too ... all over the garage ... and
yard ... and another outbuilding. Its amazing how well a large
collection of oily parts tends to ward away people around the house
who like to wander off with random tools. :-)


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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 01:00:26 EST
From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Prolonging death in my 351M...

In a message dated 11/16/1999 10:45:32 AM Eastern Standard Time,
wish iastate.edu writes:

Yes it does.
>
> > I've heard the 400 can be made to run
> > real strong if you know the right tricks and I read somewhere
> that the 400
> > has the longest stroke of any Ford V8.


Yes and No ... it has the longest of any PUSHROD V8, but the new V10 and
5.4L V8 both have 4.16" strokes ... I think the Powerstroke Diesel takes the
cake though with a 4.18" stroke ...
>>

Ok. Point well taken. I was referring to the "real" V8's vs the new electron
motivated and assisted models which weren't around when the motors in this
list were built. Just trying to keep in the spirit of things. Ive just got to
watch those absolutes!

George
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 01:07:24 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Starters, 400 = 460?

In a message dated 11/16/99 1:34:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
sdelanty sonic.net writes:


Is one of the poles not stationary? Why? What moves it and when?
I've been inside quite a few Ford (and other) starters, and I must
confess that I don't think I've ever seen a "3-pole" starter, nor
one with a "movable" pole. >>

Those that have the little sheet metal covers on the top of the starter are
the ones with the moveable poles as the core is pulled down by a field coil
it engages the gear, closes the circuit, and acts as one of the poles when it
gets close to the rotor. If you look at the heavy duty starter it has the
engagement solenoid (looks like a GM starter) that completes the circuit and
engages the gear. The circuit then goes to 3 poles in series and one pole in
parallel, through the armature via brushes and to ground. The 3 series
(series with the armature) poles draw high current and provide a lot of
torque, the 1 parallel pole (has many turns of fine wire as opposed the
series which is very heavy wire) adds some torque, but maintains some speed
control of the starter. The term parallel means current flow is through the
pole coil to ground being in a parallel path with the armature. All of the
starters have 2 sets of North/South poles. I have found both types of
starters wired with the 3 series 1 parallel poles set up. Gary you mentioned
the permanent magnet (PM) type can we back fit these on to our old trucks?
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 01:10:59 -0500
From: "Serian"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Clutched Automatics

> Tom writes: >>I remember reading some silliness in a hot rodding mag
about
> someone using a clutch in an automatic. Always passed it off as a typo.
>
> Naw. MOP*R did it back in the 60's to their famous 727.
> Only had to use the clutch when stopping or stopped and to initially
> take off. The rest was automatic. Don't remember how it worked
> out, but they ran them in Drag races for at least a couple of seasons
> if not more. Must not have panned out too good, cause it never
> went into production.

Quite some time ago, my parents had an old '60's LTD or Galaxie or
something along that platform in the yard that had a clutch pedal and
the familiar "P R N D 2 1" automatic shift pattern ... I dunno if it was
a custom build, or whether Ford made it factory stock as an experiment,
production model, or what ...
Unfortunately, it went to salvage a long time ago ... now, I'd like to
have a closer look at how it went together.


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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 01:05:28 -0600
From: Kirk Baillie
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Prolonging death 351

A friend of mine bought a new F150 4X4 a while back and is paying about
1200.00 bucks for plates. I can keep my 74's tank full for about 30
weeks with the money I save on plates alone.

Kirk Baillie
74 F250 4X4 highboy

Bill Beyer wrote:
>
> I think you'll find that most people on this list have "personal"
> attachments to their vehicles or they wouldn't even be here. Have you priced
> a new F series lately? You wanna talk about "serious money"...if you can't
> afford to fix an old truck then how on earth can you afford the payments on
> a new one?
>
> "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gary L. Perry
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 1999 11:18 AM
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Prolonging death 351
>
> > I fail to understand WHY people wish to run the S--- out
> > of their trucks, when it's obvious that they need serious work.
> > Problem is: It takes serious money to rebuild old, worn equipment
> > and is generally NOT worth time unless, you have some "personal"
> > love of the vehicle. That's why they make NEW trucks, to replace
> > the old. If one can't afford to fix-it, then buy something you don't
> > have to fix! "G"
>
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 01:15:44 -0600
From: Kirk Baillie
Subject: FTE 61-79 - How to improve fuel economy?

Im looking into how I can get a few more miles out of my gallon.
Currently im getting a little better then 8 mpg. I thought I would be
better. The weather is getting colder with winter approaching so the
mpg will only get worse. So any tips would be appreciated. A friend of
mine asked how old the carb was and I said same age as the truck 25yrs
old, he said there's your answer. Is there any other things i could do
such as rebuild card, alter timing... (I put new plugs, wires and coil
on this summer)

Thanks
Kirk Baillie
74 F250 4x4 Highboy "Custom"
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:31:27 -0800
From: "Mike Sealey"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Windsor designations ?

sOn Tue, 16 Nov 1999 01:48:13 Serian wrote:

(snip)

>The 302 isn't the first Windsor block ... the 260 and 289 are....


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