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61-79-list-digest Thursday, November 4 1999 Volume 03 : Number 404



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Fuel/air mixture temps
RE: FTE 61-79 - Fuel/air mixture temps
RE: FTE 61-79 - Rochesters
RE: FTE 61-79 - A LIL OFF SUBJECT BUT......
RE: FTE 61-79 - Exhaust crossover
FTE 61-79 - Self-Defense
FTE 61-79 - Oil Pump Problems?
FTE 61-79 - f-250 for sale
FTE 61-79 - A LIL OFF SUBJECT BUT......
FTE 61-79 - A LIL OFF TOPIC, BUT
RE: FTE 61-79 - A LIL OFF SUBJECT BUT......
RE: FTE 61-79 - A LIL OFF SUBJECT BUT......
RE: FTE 61-79 - Hood and Hinges
Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL OFF SUBJECT BUT......
FTE 61-79 - On the road again!
RE: FTE 61-79 - Oil Pump Problems?
RE: FTE 61-79 - Timing light
Re: FTE 61-79 - On the road again!
RE: FTE 61-79 - On the road again!
RE: FTE 61-79 - Tires, gear ratios, effect on speedo
RE: FTE 61-79 - Wiring Diagrams???
FTE 61-79 - Heat risers
FTE 61-79 - Marine 302
Re: FTE 61-79 - Timing light
FTE 61-79 -
FTE 61-79 - Question
FTE 61-79 - New To List
FTE 61-79 - Re - MPG and Heat
Re: FTE 61-79 - New To List
RE: FTE 61-79 - New To List
RE: FTE 61-79 - Timing light
RE: FTE 61-79 - New To List
FTE 61-79 - Indy Pace Trucks?
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Cam Installation
Re: FTE 61-79 - Question
FTE 61-79 - Warner T-18 Tranny (resend)
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Cam Installation (resend)

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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 07:01:49 -0600
From: "Jeffery Hansen"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fuel/air mixture temps

Okay - you ensteins have the rest of us totally confused. Super heat the air
fuel mixture - cool the air/heat the fuel, etc., etc.. All this talk is
totally backwards of anything I've ever heard. Put an intercooler on the
turbo in my 86 T-bird, bench paperwork said I'll gain 25-30 horses, seat of
the pants was a much firmer kick in the butt. Rebuilt 429 in my 79 F-150
Munt Pit - runs a HECK of a lot better, smoother, and with better fpg (feet
per gallon) with the recently changed therm - taking out the 195 and putting
in the 180. If a person wants to heat the fuel for best power - Why then
does Summitt sell what they call a "cool can" for the dragesters which is a
3 gallon can with fuel line coiled around inside that they fill with ice or
liquid nitrogen to supercool the fuel. Like I said - confused. Doesn't
matter - transission is still broke - like my wallet. Anybody want to fix
it (my wallet) and take this truck off my hands?
Jeffery A. Hansen, HMC(SW/AW/FMF) USN
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:46:09 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Fuel/air mixture temps

I think I asked but haven't seen a reply yet, Jeff, where do you live? You
have a flywheel and clutch you want to get rid of right?

As we have already pointed out, the cool can and inter cooler are for
different applications but both tend to do the same thing, add HP at WOT,
not at cruise. I want lots of power but I insist on doing it with the least
expense to operate so I put in a big engine then make it run as efficiently
as I can and because it's big I don't have to go for absulute max power to
get enough to satisfy my needs :-)

Idle and cruise are separate issues from "Power" or WOT performance.
Neither idle nor cruise one reqires a lot of power so if your goals are
similar to mine you tune the secondaries and curve the dizzy mechanical
advance for optimum WOT performance but optimise idle and cruise with the
primaries and vac advance. It also means hot air and warm intake walls at
cruise and idle but cold air and warm intake walls at WOT or.........more
fuel at WOT to compensate for the condensation on the cold walls of the
intake which interferes with my desired goals.

I'm only guessing at the reasons for the cool can and inter coolers (I'm
sure John will straighten me out :-)) but in racing applications you have
high compression which heats the fuel mixture so if you draw cold air and
super cool the fuel it mixes with, the fuel absorbs heat from the air making
it even colder for better density to pack more into the cylinders but then
the compression heats the air which is now trapped in the cylinder back up,
vaporizing the fuel and you have the perfect solution for absolute power.
This also wastes a great deal of fuel which is not an issue with racers but
certainly is with a daily driver :-)

It really boils down to a matter of pure physics.....it takes energy to
elevate the temperature of a mass of fluid or solid etc. so the less temp
change required, the less heat energy is expended to elevate the temp and
the higher the cylinder pressure can be with a give amount of fuel. In this
case a small amount of fuel as opposed to a larger, wasteful amount :-) In
this case the elevated temp has the side effect (or maybe even more
important effect) of vaporizing the fuel completely so all of it is
available for combustion thus providing the most power for the least amount
of fuel.

These are two separate, completely different situations which require two
completely separate sets of parameters to achieve :-) You keep calling your
truck a muny pit. Part of that expense is the fuel, as you already noted
but some of that expense can be reduced, at no expense to power :-)

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> Okay - you ensteins have the rest of us totally confused.
> Super heat the air
> fuel mixture - cool the air/heat the fuel, etc., etc.. All
> this talk is
> totally backwards of anything I've ever heard. Put an
> intercooler on the
> turbo in my 86 T-bird, bench paperwork said I'll gain 25-30
> horses, seat of
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:00:23 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Rochesters

I prefer the electric choke, I'm too forgetfull to drive with a manual
choke, I always forget to turn it off until the engine starts to die on me.
By then I've already wasted several thousand miles of ring and cylinder wear
and considerable fuel :-( I'll see what NAPA can cook up for me :-) Just
had to turn the dial on my bronco today so it would idle :-) Do that twice a
year and forget it the rest of the time :-)

I made one out of a EGR valve plate that served on one engine for a while
but I think that carb had both sets of mount holes in it or the ford spread
bore has the same holes as a square bore, not sure. It worked in any case
:-) This one only has the Rochester pattern so will have to buy the adapter
or wait till I can afford a new manifold (which is my first choice).
Adapters always lose someting in the effort but are certainly better than
nothing :-) It would be a cheap way to get to know the carb while I get
some use out of it for sure :-)

Going to get the book on it so I can learn about all the little fiddle stuff
to optimise it :-)

Thanks for the info on the part number location too :-) Ford has so many it
uses the tags that always get lost :-(

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> you may have to drill it and thread it. Or you can
> always set up a manual choke, which to be truthful, I
> think works better than anything.
>
> I'm running it on an aluminum spreadbore adapter on an
> Edelbrock Performer with a K&N and headers with 2 1/2
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:18:29 -0600
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - A LIL OFF SUBJECT BUT......

> Then again, depending on what they are
> driving, you could stand on the brakes next time (letting the
> squirrel cross
> the road ;-) ) and totally ruin their day. Risky though as you
> might have to
> wait for the cops with em.
>

Most all states have a clause that says if you feel you are imminent danger
from the other person involved in the accident you will not be held on hit
and run charges ... I think with someone else in the truck with her (another
young woman even) that there would be little question about whether she
could leave or not ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:22:37 -0600
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Exhaust crossover

> Maybe California-bound trucks didn't have risers installed?

I dunno ... I didn't get the part numbers, but its possible that 74 was a
change over year too ...

> Everyone knows it never gets cold here . . .
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryF?s=STA
> Says 68 degrees here this afternoon :-)
> --

What, its actually supposed to get to 70+ here !!! The record is 75, so
we'll see how close we get ... maybe I'll actually get that master cylinder
changed out sometime this fall ...

(YOu wouldn't believe how much better the truck stops with fluid in the m/c
:)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 06:26:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Ballinger
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Self-Defense

>Hi guys! I need your advice. Yesterday I was giving a
>friend a ride
>home
>girl> and these older guys
>mean thats old, just
>a lot
>older then me and if they were WAY younger, like my
>age, and cute of
>course,
>then maybe we would wouldn't have ignored 'en>
>started tailgating me,
>I mean
>RIGHT on my bumper. Then they started honking. I
tried >to ignore them
>but
>unfortunately we hit a red light so we were stopped
>with them next to
>us.
>They were whistling and saying gross stuff. Thank God
>they were in the
>other
>lane cuz I floored it around a corner and they went
>another way. My
>question
>is: What if someone like this is following me, what
>can I do? My 'rents
>say
>go to a well lighted gas station or better yet, a
>police station and
>DON'T
>drive to your house! Any other suggestions because
>this isn't the first
>time
>this has happened. Thank's y'all!

===You can hear sound of a thousand men getting their
ball bats out of the closets and loading up their
trucks to to come to California and take care of this
for you, All they need is a desription and location...
===

I have a 15 year old daughter and a 17 year old son
and I'm concerned for their safety too. This is what
I've taught them.

If they are just being jerks, ignore them. As your
parents said, go to a well lit place with people and
honk your horn, and flash your lights. If you are in
your vehicle and are accosted, don't think twice about
using it as a defensive weapon. Even their mom's '93
Stang convertible. The truck is better, because I
have 3 inch wide by 1 inch thick solid steel trailer
hitch sticking out. (FTE Content) All you need to do
is put it in reverse and run them over. But anyway,
don't go the high speed route, they can run you off
the road in the middle of nowhere. Again, do as your
parents said, find a well lit place with people and
honk your horn and flash your lights. But, don't be
afraid to hurt them if you think they're going to hurt
you. I think it should be allowable to carry a weapon
at all times, a .45 caliber with hollowpoints that
open up as big as badminton birdies when they hit
someone. But that's just my opinion, one that's
falling into political disfavor these days. Only
criminals can carry guns, don't you know? A person
with a gun on you doesn't leave you any defensive
options except escape. It's too bad honest citizens
are being deprived of their right to live in most of
the states in the union.

Another type of threat is being accosted as you're
going to your car. Or someone stalking you and
waiting for you when you come out of somewhre. You
have to have a mindset all the time of watching people
around you, and try to be aware of others intentions.
Read their faces, and if it's so dark that you can't
see their expressions, first, you have ventured
somewhere you don't need to be, and second assume they
are hostile.

Always note escape routes. Leave yourself one all the
time. It's always better to get away, than to stand
and fight. Because, the only valid reason to fight is
if you plan to take their life. That should be your
only objective once you decide that violence is
necessary. Killing someone is serious business, and
it brings alot of after the fact baggage. It's best
to avoid it if you can. But if you do find it
necessary, it doesn't take much. If it's hand to hand
it just takes focus and some practiced movements.
First you you want to cause total disorientation. On
a man, knee him in the testes, as hard as you can, hit
him or her as hard as you can in the solar plexus,
then the killing blow is to crush their larnyx. It
depends on your strength and focus, but a good sharp
focused punch in the throat repeated two or three
times will do it. There isn't much you can do if they
have a gun. But if they come at you close, you have
to think of total annihilation. It's the only way.
And you can't hesitate, if they feel a hesitance
they'll block you, so just do it. That's what I've
taught both of my kids.

It's ironic, but this philosophy will make you a non
violent person. Avoid confrontation, but when it's
time to get down to business don't hesitate to be
extreme.


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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:43:23 EST
From: REvans8341 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Oil Pump Problems?

Within the last 2 weeks I'm noticing that my 72 302 F-100 appears to be
losing oil pressure at freeway speeds and under some loads. What happens is
at 60 plus mph, the oil pressure gauge indicates that the pressure is falling
and the temp gauge begins to creep up. At city speeds, all is normal,
including driving with heavy loads on the truck (1800 lbs plus). The oil and
coolant levels are all where they should be, the engine is a rebuilt late
60's-early 70's 302 with less than 20,000 miles, and nothing else seems to be
wrong. I'm using 20W50 oil and haven't noticed anything unusual prior to the
last couple of weeks. Can anyone in the group point me in the right
direction? All responses would be greatly appreciated.
Bob in San Diego
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 06:54:48 -0800 (PST)
From: JOSEPH SUITS
Subject: FTE 61-79 - f-250 for sale

anyone looking for an f-250???

1976 F-250 61k orig miles, trailer special, supercab,
ac, pb, ps, 460, c-6, wired for bumper ot 5th wheel,
bed liner, 8ft bed, truck box. Truck has new: Power
steering pump, msd, 4tires, dual-batteries,
carb(rebuild), starter, seleniod, plugs, coil, and
ignition wires in the last year. Truck needs front
brakes (double piston needs pads and rotors, would not
pass inspection). This is a solid running truck
however I no longer need it for my business, i am
looking for something smaller. $2500 obo I will
consider trades.

e-mail me off list for more information.
joesuits yahoo.com


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Joe Suits

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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 09:47:31 -0600
From: "Brian C Nyman"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - A LIL OFF SUBJECT BUT......

Lisa (& Envy),

I'm not an overly "frequent" post-er to the list, but I enjoy the conversations
that go on throughout any given time period. The conversations tend to stay on
a pretty friendly level, but your recent story and subsequent responses has
really shown something more with this list. It seems as though we've developed
something of a family, and your are our adopted "little sister." You were so
hesitant to even bring up such a topic, but you got nothing but favorable
responses - all the "big brothers" come running with advice and sympathy.

I truly hope this doesn't happen to you again, but hopefully the advice you've
been given has been enough to handle such an event gracefully. Good luck in the
future - and thanks for being involved in the list.

Brian Nyman
bnyman allina.com
'58 F100 (stepside)

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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 09:49:49 -0600
From: "Brian C Nyman"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - A LIL OFF TOPIC, BUT

(My email claims it had a failure and said it wasn't able to send this the last
time, so if this is a double post, forgive me...) --

Lisa (& Envy),

I'm not an overly "frequent" post-er to the list, but I enjoy the conversations
that go on throughout any given time period. The conversations tend to stay on
a pretty friendly level, but your recent story and subsequent responses has
really shown something more with this list. It seems as though we've developed
something of a family, and your are our adopted "little sister." You were so
hesitant to even bring up such a topic, but you got nothing but favorable
responses - all the "big brothers" come running with advice and sympathy.

I truly hope this doesn't happen to you again, but hopefully the advice you've
been given has been enough to handle such an event gracefully. Good luck in the
future - and thanks for being involved in the list.

Brian Nyman
bnyman allina.com
'58 F100 (stepside)

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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:53:42 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - A LIL OFF SUBJECT BUT......

After reading the posts in reply to this It occurs to me that some of these
suggestions are not in your best interest. When you go anywhere by yourself
or even with another girl friend make sure that one of the things you do
when you get in is lock the doors. This saved me at a gas station once in
my van when two thugs attempted to get in via the rear doors. Roll up the
windows and stay in the car and keep it running. You can always drive away
and they are not likely to attack the vehicle directly but will wait for a
chance to get you out of it if they actually do mean you harm. Chances are
they are just making noise so responding to this will only escalate a heckle
situation into a more serious one.

Try to ignore them, drive toward your destination until they leave or it's
clear they are not leaving, but if they follow you then do as some suggested
and head for the nearest police station, fire station or other facility
where there are some men who will deter them or to a well lit parking lot
which is busy with people coming and going which will deter all but the most
dedicated criminal types. In each of these cases, honking the horn and
flashing the lights will certainly draw attention to you so that they will
be forced to leave.

If you can get the license number without drawing attention to what you are
doing, do so but do not make an issue of it or you may cause them to feel
threatened which can escalate the situation again. If you are with other
people they probably won't do much and will go away but if you are alone
there is more chance they could become dangerous so the police station is
the best solution.

In no case should you respond to them in any way or take the offensive
unless it is very clear that they mean to harm you and are already in the
process of forcing you off the road or breaking into your vehicle. You are
no match for them in most cases and a response, as I said, may cause a
harmless heckle to become something much worse. Responding is bad advice
unless you are really being threatened, physically and then you better think
real hard about how to go about it so you don't make matters worse. Think
about it ahead of time, have a plan, have several plans so you don't have to
think something up on the spur of the moment but plan A should always be
passive avoidance, plan Z is response IMNSHO :-)

This also applies to those situations where someone passes you then slows
down to get your goat or cuts you off. If you respond by passing them
again, you become the criminal because they will undoubtedly speed up so
that you have to drive at a dangerous speed and if a cop sees this he will
ignore the heckler and when you take it to court the judge will tell you you
broke the law and the other aspects of the situation are irrelevant since
there is no proof. Bottom line, no matter how you respond there, the other
guy wins but in the one case you also lose and could even lose your life
because of your pride. This was a hard lesson for me to learn but now at 53
years of age I finally can pull off the road, get my senses, relax and wait
him out, even if I'm late for work. They have no interest in hanging around
so will go on their way looking for another victim and you will have slowed
your heart rate, elongated your life span and avoided the agrivation and
risks :-)

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> Hi guys! I need your advice. Yesterday I was giving a friend
> a ride home
> girl> and these older guys
> old, just a lot
> older then me and if they were WAY younger, like my age, and
> cute of course,
> then maybe we would wouldn't have ignored 'en> started
> tailgating me, I mean
> RIGHT on my bumper. Then they started honking. I tried to
> ignore them but
> unfortunately we hit a red light so we were stopped with them
> next to us.
> They were whistling and saying gross stuff. Thank God they
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:34:22 -0600
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - A LIL OFF SUBJECT BUT......

> After reading the posts in reply to this It occurs to me that
> some of these
> suggestions are not in your best interest.
> In no case should you respond to them in any way or take the offensive
> unless it is very clear that they mean to harm you and are already in the
> process of forcing you off the road or breaking into your
> vehicle.

I don't think anyone suggested anything offensive unless they initiated it
... maybe I misread a post or something ...


> You are
> no match for them in most cases and a response, as I said, may cause a
> harmless heckle to become something much worse.

I'm sorry, I can't help but chuckle when people talk like this ... I know my
sister acts like a wimp, but I've also played hockey against her ... yes,
you heard me right, we play hockey ... not full contact, but then basketball
isn't supposed to be either ... she's also 6'1" pretty easily ... Dad's
always worried about someone coming up to her or something ... and I
understand the fear, but by the same token, she's driving a huge 4x4 (F250),
has 3 hockey sticks under the seat almost all the time, that she does know
how to use quite effectively should she have to ... and her size alone is
pretty darned intimidating (to guys shorter than her anyway, its fun to
watch them cringe :)

My point is that this isn't just for women, it applies to guys too, we have
all had people follow us or yell stuff at us ... and I don't think any of us
are particularly fond of it ... out here finding a police station is not as
easy as it sounds ... in town your options are much greater than out in the
country ... I've been fortunate enough to maintain a horsepower or
significant driving advantage ... both of which require a clear head and
relaxed motions to take advantage of ... I don't think using your vehicle to
its strengths and the other guys disadvantage is in any way aggressive, so
what if I took the long way home ... those 5 miles of gravel in my truck
didn't do much for the performance of that Camaro ...

Actually the Camaro was in town, I did have a HP advantage, but couldn't use
it because of the turns, fortunately an unsignalled u-turn that just missed
the curb was enough to dissuade them ... the other time that was actually
scarey was a full size van vs. hopped up 70 Ranchero ... I was driving the
Ranchero (apparently I made too much noise when I passed him after he pulled
out in front of me, race magnums will do that), out on the highway what can
you do? Well apparently a shade over 100 ... find a small town, kill the
lights (no brakes, idle with parking brake on) on a back street and park
with an escape route keeping your eyes peeled ... watched him drive by,
waited another few seconds, then pulled out and went the other way ...

If a cop pulls you over (I was praying for one this time, afterall this
town's only income is cops, but no luck), explaining the story to them will
likely get you a raised eyebrow, having the vehicle in site, well that will
likely get you off any tickets, a good lawyer helps too, but who cares about
the legal ramifications when you're being threatened physically? I know its
not the first thing on my mind ...


> This also applies to those situations where someone passes you then slows
> down to get your goat or cuts you off.

Not exactly the same thing ... also nothing a push bar won't fix ;) (yes I
am joking thankyouverymuch)

> This was a hard lesson for me to learn
> but now at 53
> years of age I finally can pull off the road, get my senses,
> relax and wait
> him out, even if I'm late for work.

As long as you don't leave the blinker on when you merge again ... ;)

> They have no interest in
> hanging around
> so will go on their way looking for another victim

I've heard a wave and a "Have a nice day" go a long way to helping you relax
and causing them mass amounts of confusion.


I think we've all pretty much said the same thing ... get to a well lit
place, if they are really persistent a police station or populated place
where you can get help ... heck if you're really being chased, don't bother
with parking spaces, pull up in front of the store ... they probably won't
follow you that far, too much light and too many people ... particularly
stores with security guards ...

Failing every attempt to shake them (and calm yourself down), then and only
then are you "authorized" to use any sort of retaliatory force ... if you do
decide to do this, be sure you disable them completely and leave yourself
mobile at all costs ... (IE don't ram them and destroy your truck so that
you only go 5 feet) ...

Flight leaves you fewer regrets and a clearer conscience, but there is
always a point where it doesn't become an option.


Have a nice day *wave*
:)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 11:35:22 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Hood and Hinges

I'll take a wag at this.....if you tilt the base of the hinge where it
attaches to the fender well, perhaps forward, it will influence the way the
springs act on the links in the hinge. I have this problem in my bronco too
and tried lubing it with some success but not complete success so If I ever
get the time I will play with it some more. Since the hood is latched I
havn't put it on the top of my list :-)

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> Hi List,
> My 66 had a hood that rested above the cowl about 3/8". I
> could push it
> down flush; but it would come back up as soon as it was on
> the road. The
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 11:45:56 -0500
From: kpayne ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL OFF SUBJECT BUT......

Brian C Nyman wrote:
>
> Lisa (& Envy),
>
> I'm not an overly "frequent" post-er to the list, but I enjoy the conversations
> that go on throughout any given time period. The conversations tend to stay on
> a pretty friendly level, but your recent story and subsequent responses has
> really shown something more with this list. It seems as though we've developed
> something of a family, and your are our adopted "little sister." You were so
> hesitant to even bring up such a topic, but you got nothing but favorable
> responses - all the "big brothers" come running with advice and sympathy.
>
> I truly hope this doesn't happen to you again, but hopefully the advice you've
> been given has been enough to handle such an event gracefully. Good luck in the
> future - and thanks for being involved in the list.
>
> Brian Nyman
> bnyman allina.com
> '58 F100 (stepside)

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members have come through. We're hoping to be able to do some
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 11:42:41 -0500
From: "J. Doss Halsey"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - On the road again!

Hey, Folks

I finally have my '68 F250 back on the road after pulling the cab,
installing new cab mounts, painting the frame and the cab floor (inside and
out), and installing my newly re-built 390. I have a few bugs to work out,
like a little water leak and a little oil leak, but nothing major. Now I
have a hankering for a C-6, but I don't want to start that thread up again!

Stu, the first firing was a leap of faith. I got a lot of noises I did not
expect. When cranking, it went "knock, knock, knock, knock". That went away
right after it caught. Any ideas? Then, there was a lot of clatter from the
lifters, but that went away quickly (I did prime them by pumping them in an
oil bath before installation). The clutch/throw-out bearing was making
quite a racket at first, but that went away with a few
engagement/disengagements of the clutch. Lastly, the power steering pump
sounded like a cat fight until I got it bled. Now it all just sounds like a
truck. Actually, with the stock exhaust system it is a little too quiet.

The fast idle is a little too fast, and still the beast is a little cold
natured. I will work on the setting on the Holley electronic choke and the
timing a little to get it so it pulls smoothly off idle. I am also blaming
the second (retarding) vacuum diaphragm on the distributor, but a few
simple tests will tell.

One quick question: ATF in the power steering pump? I found it in the used
unit, and heard one of y'all mention it recently on the list. Is this
recommended over power steering fluid?

Oh, I almost forgot. I have a 360 2V motor taking up space in my garage.
Free to a good home. Tired, but running when I removed it. Any takers?
Also, I have a 4V autolite in need of a re-build that I will let go cheap.
BTW, I live in the Washington, DC area.

Thanks for all your help and advice, BTW.
Doss Halsey
'68 F-250, looks brand new from underneath looking up! I am the new POR-15
poster child!


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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:02:28 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Oil Pump Problems?

It has been mentioned that the 302 has a pickup screen clogging problem
which would reduce the flow of cooling oil and could, concieveably, cause
the engine to heat up but the amount of reduction required to do that would
probably also have other symptoms like rattling lifters or even an
occasional knock. My guess is that the radiator is not doing it's job and
the over heating is what causes the oil pressure to drop but this can only
be a guess since there certainly are other explainations :-)

Around town you are not generating the heat so the radiator can handle it
but at speed there are more firing cycles per minute which generates more
heat per minute so if the radiator is marginal this is where you will see
the problem. The air flowing through the radiator is not carrying away
enough heat or there may be an air flow restriction of some kind....full of
bugs or something....

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> Within the last 2 weeks I'm noticing that my 72 302 F-100
> appears to be
> losing oil pressure at freeway speeds and under some loads.
> What happens is
> at 60 plus mph, the oil pressure gauge indicates that the
> pressure is falling
> and the temp gauge begins to creep up. At city speeds, all
> is normal,
> including driving with heavy loads on the truck (1800 lbs
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:10:50 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Timing light

I always assumed that the strobe was independent of the plug or anything
after the source to the attachment point of the strobe pickup wire. What
you are saying implies that the strobe wire needs a complete circuit to
engine ground in the wire being tested to function? Sort of like a Clamp?
Not arguing with you, just curious. Never tried to use it for this purpose
so have no personal experience with this :-) Once when mine quit I figured
I had to buy a new one but one day, after trying to find a new bulb for it
to no avail, I opened it up and there was a wire loose in there. Soldered
it back in place and it's been working fine ever since :-)

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> If the plug is fouled by oil or fuel the timing light will flash
> intermittently or not at all.If plug or wire is bad light won't flash.
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 12:13:47 -0500
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - On the road again!

At 11:42 AM 11/4/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Hey, Folks
>
>I am the new POR-15
>poster child!
>
>

So far I've done my core support, starting my inner fenders soon.
I took my mower deck off last Sat. to put the snow blade on. Found it was
rotting from the inside out (2 year old replacement, Sears planned
obsolescence?), and the blade itself is gonna get some this weekend. The
steel basement door gets a couple of coats this spring. And this week,
SWISO bought a ' 68 Goat, that is in desperate need in many places. I love
the stuff but wish it didn't cost an arm and a leg!

Ted Wnorowski
Bellevue,OH
' 64 F-250
352 transplant
4 speed



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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:23:40 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - On the road again!

I've always used Type-F in mine. My 94 bird calls for it in the owners
manual for the power steering :-) There is a Ford standard number you can
look on ATF cans to see if it complies. The new standard, Mercon III
includes all the old standards and supposedly adds some more but I trust
Type-F in all my cars and trucks in everything that calls for hydraulic
fluid except the brakes of course :-) If the AOD's used this they probably
wouldn't have slipping converter clutches :-)

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> One quick question: ATF in the power steering pump? I found
> it in the used
> unit, and heard one of y'all mention it recently on the list. Is this
> recommended over power steering fluid?
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:30:15 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Tires, gear ratios, effect on speedo

Take a look at: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.a1electric.com/speedometer.htm If you have one
of the larger gears you can get the ford gear with more teeth on it and fix
it. I have the same problem but mine is already the smallest so I can't do
anyting about it. Have to use one of those gear box thingies :-(

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> The question now is how can I cheaply make the speedo more accurate?
> Figure out what my "gear" ratio is with these tires and try to find a
> speedo gear that is close? Are there such a thing as 3.33
> gears or close
> to it? (4.10/1.23=3.33) Can I now buy a speedo gear for this
> gear ratio
> put it in and be pretty close, or is it not that simple?
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:32:57 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Wiring Diagrams???

I have a set of 69 manuals but not sure if it has any of this. If I can
remember to look tonight and find what you want I will bring it in and make
a copy to fax to you if you have a fax. I don't have a scanner so can't
send it directly.

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> My name is Jim and I just bought an 1969 Ford F250, v8 360 truck.
> My gas gauges, I have two tanks, the wiring is missing for
> the switch to
> select the fuel gauge for each tank. I also have a lot of
> loose wires that
> I cannot identify. So, I was wondering if anyone has a
> chassis wiring guide
> diagram or knows where I can get one.
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:39:52 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Heat risers

Pat B. writes: >>So, which engines have a heat riser valve? My FE360 doesn't,
did it just
get tossed by the PO? I do remember pounding on a few to free them,
but not on my current truck :-)

My '74 F150 4x4 w/360 had one. My '76 F150 4X4 w/360 had one. My '76 F350
w/390 has one. All the FE's I've ever owned had one. Can't say about the
others. I (my wife)now have the '76 F100 Flareside swb w/302. I'll look at it
as soon as I get a chance and see if it has one. (This is the one that will have
a 400+ cuin W motor someday, I hope.)

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:47:56 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Marine 302

Wish writes: >>Are they actually standard 302 blocks, or are they marine 302 ?


Don't have a clue!! I'll be glad to get the brand of the I/O and of the boat if
you need it. Seems like it was Mericruiser, though.
For sure it had the water cooled exhaust.

Azie
Ardmore, Al


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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:16:05 EST
From: SevnD2 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Timing light

In a message dated 11/04/1999 12:15:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,
gpeters3 visteon.com writes:


I had to buy a new one but one day, after trying to find a new bulb for it
to no avail, >>

Anyone having a bulb in there timing light go out , can find a pretty good
replacement through Radio Shack ! I replaced mine with one they offer and it
works perfectly !
Rollie H. Hunt
1976 F100 Explorer , 391 FT ( 428 ci )
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 11:34:38 -0700
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 -

>>there
are perfecly good
roads everywhere I want to go?

I spent the week of 10/18 in Hawaii. Good reason to Fly.

Correct, Azie, but I don't want to go to Hawaii. If I ever go to Australia,
I'm not coming back.

- -- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 11:49:40 -0800
From: "Gonzalez, Ray"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Question

I'm trying to find the VIN location(s) on my 69 Ford F250 Pickup Truck. The
VIN on the metal tag on the door jamb does not match any DMV information &
pink slip information.

Can you help??

Ray Gonzalez
BFGoodrich Aerostructures Group
Riverside, CA. 92504
Voice: (909) 351-5960
Pgr: (909) 424-0607

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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 12:13:18 PST
From: "James Stepke"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - New To List

Hi Everyone!!
I am new to the list and i wanted to introduce myself and ask a question or
two!! I used to own a 1978 f150 4x4 351M but sold it last fall. I recently
bought a 1979 F150 4x4 400M. It is a very interesting truck, like nothing i
have seen before. It is silver with black and orange accents and the
interior is accented with orange. The doors say "Official Truck of the May
(something)1979 Indianapolis 500 Mile Race." This brings me to my first
questions. Was this a package offered by ford, a special edition or some
kind of homebrew ripoff?? It looks very authentic!! Next, there is a
button that is mounted under the dash under the headlight switch that is
green and says "Gear Vendor O/D." What the heck is it?? It doesn't seem to
do anything when i push it. It is lighted and has two positions, in and
out!! I wanted to know if anyone can help me find information about my new
truck. I love it!! Bye the way my name is James and I live in Michigan.
Thanks In Advance for any and all Help
James
79 F150 4x4 400m
91 Wrangler 5spd. 4.0L 2.5" 31x10.5 MT's

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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 12:17:26 -0800
From: sparky mail.island.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re - MPG and Heat

>As I read the posts about the manifold heat and proper atomization I
>happened to think about my old cars. I have two 61 Falcons, one a tudor
>wagon and the other a Futura. The Futura has a 170 6 popper and the wagon
>has a 64 Fairlane 260. Both of these engines have a water jacket spacer that
>the carb mounts on. My theory is that they were used to atomize the fuel
>before entering the manifold. The six will get 31 MPG on the hwy. and the V8
>gets 26 MPG on the hwy. I have met other folks with the 260 or 289 that
>don't have this type of spacer and they can't get beyond 21 MPG. Ford
>engineers must have had a reason to use this type setup. I found a 260
>manifold and water jacket spacer to put on a 289 and it did improve the MPG,
>I couldn't tell if performance was better. All of these motors are stock
>specs. Just a thought to pass on.
>Terry L. Rahn
>78 E 250 Quadravan 460/C6
>2 61 Falcons in need of TLC and $$$

This is an interesting thread, as a matter of fact I think the list went
over this a few months back. The way I understand it you want heated fuel
so it vaporizes quickly and easily, but you want cold air so it is more
dense and gives more "oommph" during the burn cycle.
I have heard of setups that use the engine coolant to preheat the fuel as
it passes thru the fuel line into the carb. The aircraft I work on have
fuel heaters installed, although I doubt it is to improve mileage more
likely to prevent fuel freezing, I imagine it does increase "mileage".
I would think that heating the intake manifold would help, but then you
heat after the fact. That is to say the fuel is already atomized and mixed
with the air, maybe the heated manifold "encourages" the fuel to stay mixed
with the air.
I vote for an inline fuel heating system and an air intake tube from the
front of the rad to pickup the coldest air available. Then for an added
bonus install the heated carb spacer. This should give better mileage and
performance than a stock setup IMHO.

Sparky
73ish
F250 4x4
3?0FE 4v

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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:36:02 -0500
From: "Phil / Debi"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - New To List

> bought a 1979 F150 4x4 400M. It is a very interesting truck, like nothing
i
> have seen before. It is silver with black and orange accents and the
> interior is accented with orange. The doors say "Official Truck of the
May
> (something)1979 Indianapolis 500 Mile Race." This brings me to my first
> questions. Was this a package offered by ford, a special edition or some
> kind of homebrew ripoff?? It looks very authentic!!

I believe I have seen one of them before, except i think it was 2wd. Cant
remember much of it, but it did say something on it about being an indy pace
truck. that was in the early 80's so i cant recall much else about it.

Phil Beattie
66 F100
79 F250 4x4
91 F150 4x4
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:47:09 -0600
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - New To List

> I recently
> bought a 1979 F150 4x4 400M. It is a very interesting truck,
> like nothing i
> have seen before. It is silver with black and orange accents and the
> interior is accented with orange. The doors say "Official Truck
> of the May
> (something)1979 Indianapolis 500 Mile Race." This brings me to my first
> questions. Was this a package offered by ford, a special edition or some
> kind of homebrew ripoff?? It looks very authentic!!

Well since no one makes those stickers anymore that I've seen, I'll bet its
authentic ... not to say someone couldn't rip them off (copy them that is),
but there's a lot more money in copying 79 Mustang Pace cars, than their
truck counterparts ... congrats. Maybe that's what the weird
silver/black/orange truck that's for sale around here is, paint's new so the
stickers might just be gone...


> button that is mounted under the dash under the headlight switch that is
> green and says "Gear Vendor O/D." What the heck is it?? It
> doesn't seem to
> do anything when i push it. It is lighted and has two positions, in and
> out!! I wanted to know if anyone can help me find information
> about my new
> truck.

Welcome to the list by the way :) Likely this is an OD that was added
outside the regular tranny ...I don't remember the specifics, but I know
Azie "babbled" ;) something about them a while ago and how they worked and
all ... it was actually quite fascinating, but with nothing to put the info
to use on it has slowly oozed out...


Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:10:03 -0600
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Timing light

> I always assumed that the strobe was independent of the plug or anything
> after the source to the attachment point of the strobe pickup wire. What
> you are saying implies that the strobe wire needs a complete circuit to
> engine ground in the wire being tested to function? Sort of like a Clamp?
> Not arguing with you, just curious.

Okay, I think we're confusing a couple different types of timing lights here
... there's inductive and serial (is that what its called? its what I'm
calling it for this statement, if its called something else deal with it)
... the inductive is the type with a loop that you clip around a wire ...
wire passes through it, you squeeze the trigger, viola light flashes ...

The "serial" kind plugs inline (hence serial) with the spark plug, you pull
the boot off, put the end of the timing light on the plug and the other end
in the boot ... pull trigger -> light flashes.

I think the type they were suggesting for use as a diagnostic tool was the
inductive, the first one i talked about. This works on inductance, that is
that there will be a magnetic field generated around the plug wire as the
electricity "flows" down the wire .. this will induce a current in a wire
that is around the plug wire and this trips a sensor in the timing light
that will cause the light to flash ...

So what this means is that if the elec. current is weak or sporadic, the
light will flicker or otherwise be affected, it won't be the strong light
you normally get ...


> > If the plug is fouled by oil or fuel the timing light will flash
> > intermittently or not at all.If plug or wire is bad light won't flash.

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:09:32 -0800
From: "James Barker"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - New To List

Regarding the Gear Vendor O/D.

The truck either has or had a bolt on electric O/D. Gear Vendor is the name
of the manufacturer located somewhere near San Diego, CA. You could check
for a gear box at the bolted to the end of your transmission. These are
very popular. If it is still there and you don't want it, I'm sure that
there are several people on this list, including myself, that would be very
interested.

Jim Barker
'75 F150 Supercab FE390/C6

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From: owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com
[mailto:owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of James Stepke
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 12:13 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - New To List


Hi Everyone!!
I am new to the list and i wanted to introduce myself and ask a question or
two!! I used to own a 1978 f150 4x4 351M but sold it last fall. I recently
bought a 1979 F150 4x4 400M. It is a very interesting truck, like nothing i
have seen before. It is silver with black and orange accents and the
interior is accented with orange. The doors say "Official Truck of the May
(something)1979 Indianapolis 500 Mile Race." This brings me to my first
questions. Was this a package offered by ford, a special edition or some
kind of homebrew ripoff?? It looks very authentic!! Next, there is a
button that is mounted under the dash under the headlight switch that is
green and says "Gear Vendor O/D." What the heck is it?? It doesn't seem to
do anything when i push it. It is lighted and has two positions, in and
out!! I wanted to know if anyone can help me find information about my new
truck. I love it!! Bye the way my name is James and I live in Michigan.
Thanks In Advance for any and all Help
James
79 F150 4x4 400m
91 Wrangler 5spd. 4.0L 2.5" 31x10.5 MT's

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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 14:31:02 -0800
From: "Mike Sealey"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Indy Pace Trucks?

IIRC the manufacturer who provides the pace car in a given year also provides the pickup trucks used for other things at that year's Indy (obviously an Olds pace car would be accompanied by GMC trucks, or maybe now we'd see S-10s with Bravada grilles?)

Indy Pace Car replicas have been offered to the public by their various manufacturers since at least the '49 (?) Olds 88, and it wouldn't surprise me to hear of it happening earlier than that. I believe Ford was first to offer a replica of its Indy trucks to go with its pace car replicas of the same year, but am not 100% sure of that.

Mike Sealey
'75 F-150 390/C6, '99 Windstar (taxicab)
and multiple non-FoMoCo vehicles


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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 16:53:19 -0600
From: "Howard Bottles"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Cam Installation

Did you try to install the original cam (or a different cam) to see if
it went in
ok??

I took the block and new cam to the shop yesterday and they tried to
straighten #4
bearing, no help, then he installed a new bearing at #4 and still no
help. Finally,
they pulled another cam off of the shelf and it went in ok. They seemed
to think
that my new cam was bent somehow. Last night I got home and tried to
install the
cam that was originally in the engine (stock Ford cam) and it went in
ok. I called
Jeg's and they are sending a replacement today. I am guessing that the
cam is
slightly bent, but I don't have a dial indicator to check for
straightness.

Howardb

tfreeman murphyfarms.com wrote:

> Okay...here's what I found out about my problem. First off, Thanks Terry for
> sending me the info. It really helped.
>
> The FE's OD of the cam is tapered with a standard ID. The cam journals should
> be all the same size.
>
> What I've found out is that the cam still won't go in no matter which end goes
> first. I tried to install it in the correct orientation with no success, then
> flipped the cam 180 and I have the same problem. That tells me the cam is most
> likely okay and that I have a problem with a bearing.
>
> I'm calling the machine shop today and will drop it off tomorrow afternoon.
> I'll get you an update as soon as I find out anything.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Ted
>
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:11:09 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Question

> I'm trying to find the VIN location(s) on my 69 Ford F250 Pickup Truck.
The
> VIN on the metal tag on the door jamb does not match any DMV information &
> pink slip information.
>
> Can you help??
>
> Ray Gonzalez
.................

The passenger side frame rail has numbers stamped into it on the very
top of the rail towards the front. It is possible that you have a stolen
truck and that is why the numbers don't match the registration papers. It is
also possible that your drivers door has been replaced with one from another
truck.


Danger
danger csolutions.net



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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 17:18:47 -0600
From: "Howard Bottles"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Warner T-18 Tranny (resend)

I don't know if this made it to the list the first time......

I am currently rebuilding my 74 F250, it is a custom model with
360/3spd. I bought a 72 F100 that someone had installed a T-18 into. I
want to transplant the 4spd into my 74, is there anything I need to look
out for with this tranny?? When I install used trannys, I usually flush
them out really well, and replace front and rear seal and cover gaskets.
Anything else to look for???

Howardb
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 17:27:44 -0600
From: "Howard Bottles"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Cam Installation (resend)

I originally sent this a few days ago, but I was having problems with my
email....


This info comes at a good time for me, I too tried to install the cam
into my 390
this weekend, and ran into the same problem, the 3rd bearing from the
front is
where the cam is hanging up. Called the shop that installed the bearings....


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