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61-79-list-digest Thursday, November 4 1999 Volume 03 : Number 403



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Pulling spark plugs
FTE 61-79 - Exhaust crossover
RE: FTE 61-79 - front brake problems
RE: FTE 61-79 - Pulling spark plugs
RE: FTE 61-79 - Clutches and things...
FTE 61-79 - Stick vs auto
RE: FTE 61-79 - Oil slingers & M blocks
RE: FTE 61-79 - Clutches and things...
RE: FTE 61-79 - Stick vs auto
FTE 61-79 - Tires, gear ratios, effect on speedo
FTE 61-79 - driving lights amps
RE: FTE 61-79 - Clutches and things...
FTE 61-79 - RE: Dead cylinder
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tires, gear ratios, effect on speedo
Re: FTE 61-79 - What were they thinking ?
FTE 61-79 - A LIL OFF SUBJECT BUT......
RE: FTE 61-79 - Tires, gear ratios, effect on speedo
FTE 61-79 - Rochesters
Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL OFF SUBJECT BUT......
RE: FTE 61-79 - A LIL OFF SUBJECT BUT......
Re: FTE 61-79 - Oil slingers & M blocks
RE: FTE 61-79 - What were they thinking ?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Exhaust crossover
Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL OFF SUBJECT BUT......
FTE 61-79 - Wiring Diagrams???
RE: FTE 61-79 - Exhaust crossover
FTE 61-79 - Re: C-6 OD
FTE 61-79 - 302 with 351 heads
RE: FTE 61-79 - 302 with 351 heads
FTE 61-79 - 62 Ford unibody
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dead cylinder
FTE 61-79 - Hood and Hinges
Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL OFF SUBJECT BUT......
Re: FTE 61-79 - Exhaust crossover
Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL OFF SUBJECT BUT......
FTE 61-79 - Timing light
FTE 61-79 - MPG and Heat
FTE 61-79 - Flying
FTE 61-79 - posi units for sale
Re: FTE 61-79 - Clutches and things...
Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL OFF SUBJECT BUT......
Re: FTE 61-79 - steering col.and wheel
Re: FTE 61-79 - Unibody vs Styleside Same Year

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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:14:28 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Pulling spark plugs

Craig writes: >>Pull the spark plug wires one at a time until you find one that
seems to run
just as good without it. Investigte from there.

Good advise, but if the wires are old, be sure to pull them out of the dist (one
at a time) and not from the plugs themselves. You might light up like a
Christmas Tree otherwise.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:20:54 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Exhaust crossover

John LaG. writes: >>The hot air crossover is only functional during warm up
while the exhaust heat riser valve on one bank is closed. When both exhausts
are wide open, there isn't a pressure differential to send anything through
there.

I disagree. The spring that holds the heatriser butterfly closed is somewhat
heat sensitive to slacken the tension, but it doesn' completely relax the spring
and therefore it causes exhaust gases to flow through the intake 100% of the
time. It isn't much difference in pressure, but it is there and at 2grand or
above it takes very little to cause a difference in pressure.

Azie
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:25:27 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - front brake problems

The f-150's use steel pistons so probably the calipers are not the problem.
The calipers ride in dove tail grooves with a flat spring to keep them
relatively stable. The pads have to have some kind of padding behind them
to keep them from squealing and the bearings can certainly cause some
serious, intermittant noise, trust me!

First.....are you absolutely sure this is coming from the front? These
symptoms are very reminiscent of parts coming loose in the rear drums. If
you're sure then do this:

Put the front end up on jack stands then check the wheels for any apparent
slop in the bearings. If there is any doubt, pull them and check the
bearings, carefully.

Now take off the wheels and calipers then remove the pads on each side and
put some high temp RTV on the backs in the area where they contact the
caliper or piston and then put some anti-seize on the tracks the calipers
ride in when you re-install them. Pay attention to the condition of the
pads and make sure they are wearing evenly. If there is any taper in them
at all, pull the hubs and check the bearings or...........

you can just wait like I did and spend $250 later for new spindle, rotor,
hub, locking hubs and pads and bearings :-) When the bearing finally gasps
it's last gasp it will melt all the internal metal parts into a seamless
glob along with all the plastic hub parts, springs, washers etc. including
the bearing retainer nuts and if you are lucky you will have enough slop in
what's left of it to get a wrench in there to pull the nuts off the spindle
so you can take the whole assy (disassembly?) to the dump and replace
everything from the yoke out like I did :-(

What's really cool about all this is that the only noise it made was
initially a tiny little mouse squeak which I attributed to the pads rubbing
on the rotors and it was intermittant and then the noise went away......sort
of like being in a hurricane and the eye passes through but then the other
end of it comes along and we all know the rest, eh? One day I hopped in and
went about 1/2 mile down the road only to have the steering wheel jerked
right out of my hand with a very loud and scary squeal like a pig just got
run over and then it released and went a few yards and did it again at which
point I turned it around and parked it and took the bird to work.

When I lifted it on the hoist the right front wheel tilted about 30 degrees
and dropped about 2" from it's normal position and I had a fair idea what I
was going to find when I quit crying and my eyes cleared enough for me to
check it out :-( When that wheel dropped like that I could feel my wallet
squirm in my back pocket :-(

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Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167
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> I am having some serious brake problems with my truck. It is
> a 76 F-150
> with the dana 44 and disks up front. Anyway, it makes a
> grinding/whinning sound going down the road, so I took it to a local
>
> note: I don't think it is front wheel bearings because it isn't
> consistent at all, it isn't making a rubbing sound, and my brakes lock
> up sometimes.
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:29:52 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Pulling spark plugs

Very good Azie! Solves two potential problems, damaging the boots for no
good reason and a dead wire can't electricute you........Really cool idea
:-) Back in the old days it wasn't so much of an issue but with the new
wire ends with the snap rings on them and boots that stick to the plugs and
are hard to get to this really makes good sense.

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Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> Craig writes: >>Pull the spark plug wires one at a time
> until you find one that
> seems to run
> just as good without it. Investigte from there.
>
> Good advise, but if the wires are old, be sure to pull them
> out of the dist (one
> at a time) and not from the plugs themselves. You might
> light up like a
> Christmas Tree otherwise.
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:15:30 -0500
From: "Clem Salek"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Clutches and things...

Are you insinuating that I neglect and abuse my vehicle? You'd be 100%
correct. Some of you may hang me for abusing my beloved Ford, but that's
why I love it. Even after abuse, it keeps on going. Pay attention to
sounds?? Who doesn't?? I can see you now...sitting in your lawn chair,
bronco on the lift, running, tranny in drive,
listening...listening...listening...oops, what was that?

PS: What's the matter with lying on the ground??

Clem
"Recon Unit1"
'79 F350,460,NP435
10Ton PTO Winch

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maintenance




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Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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>
> possible between clutch overhauls (with no real abuse) who
> really cares.
> >>
>
> pulled the
>
>
>
>
> You're right!... I've laid on the cold hard ground to change a snapped
> clutch fork, among other snowplowing mishaps.
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:33:16 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Stick vs auto

Wish writes: >>some people like the stick, some people don't ...

Agreed. And we can take up megga giggabytes on this subject, and everyone of us
will still have our own version of which is better.. Like which is better -
the FE or the 385 ????Sheesh.....Lets let it rest for a while!!!

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:36:27 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Oil slingers & M blocks

Look in mags for oil slingers? My problem is that I built this engine (460,
not 400) 10 years ago and can't remember if it even has one but seems like
it does, just not sure :-) I'll know shortly because I will be digging into
another one soon :-) I know one thing, I can't keep the front main in it
for more than 20k miles and the seal for this very reason I believe but now
the crank is totaled so this is certainly most of the problem at this point
:-)

My next build will have lots of time to spare and I will not be in any hurry
so will take my time and check everything out carefully as I go to ensure
this doesn't happen again.

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Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167
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> Gary, I've seen some in some mags I think I can look
> again if you'd like?
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:48:14 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Clutches and things...

Makes my joints tie up :-) Rather stand and look at things at my eye level
now that I can no longer tie my shoes without sitting down (kidding there
but I certainly don't feel as young as I used to :-)) I was refering to
listening as you operate it. Things like throw out bearings are fairly
obvious and damaged throw out arms can usually be felt as a change in the
pedal feel etc.. Since my bearing episode, first one ever, I put her up on
the hoist when I even suspect a problem because I REALLY HATE LYING IN THE
MUD WORKING ON A WORTHLESS, UNGRATEFULL, SNAKE IN THE GRASS TRUCK THAT LETS
ME DOWN!!!

Did I ever tell you about my barn building experience with a school bus
scaffolding (doesn't everyone have one?) that got in a hole a little too
close to my precious barn in the mud....... :-(

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167
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> Are you insinuating that I neglect and abuse my vehicle?
> You'd be 100%
> correct. Some of you may hang me for abusing my beloved
> Ford, but that's
> why I love it. Even after abuse, it keeps on going. Pay attention to
> sounds?? Who doesn't?? I can see you now...sitting in your
> lawn chair,
> bronco on the lift, running, tranny in drive,
> listening...listening...listening...oops, what was that?
>
> PS: What's the matter with lying on the ground??
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:50:02 -0500
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Stick vs auto

Now we know there is no arguement there Az.....:-)

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> Like which is better -
> the FE or the 385 ????Sheesh.....
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 13:43:04 -0600
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tires, gear ratios, effect on speedo

>>Adding you get 22.3% and multiplying you get 23.327% :-)

I've been listening patiently. Guys, 23% error means that if the speedo
registers 60, you are actually going 74? Or would it be 46? That's a lot of
error. Are you sure? We need a speedo that works like a boat speedo, just
stick the sensor out the window. Naw, no good in a head wind.

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jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 13:56:19 -0600
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - driving lights amps

I installed my 50 amp switch on Saturday afternoon. So far the switch is as
cool as the proverbial cucumber. This time I made sure to have good solder
joints where the lugs connect to the wires, this switch uses screws instead
of spades, and I put some RTV on to prevent vibration loosening. I also used
washer type lugs so that even if the screws work loose, the hot wire can't
poke around under the dash welding everything together.

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jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry)
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:08:44 -0600
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Clutches and things...

> Are you insinuating that I neglect and abuse my vehicle? You'd be 100%
> correct. Some of you may hang me for abusing my beloved Ford, but that's
> why I love it. Even after abuse, it keeps on going.

After the ribbing some of the guys have taken for even washing their trucks,
I don't think anyone'll care if you abuse it a little, that's why we have em
anyway, they can take it :)

(yes I need to wash the truck and the car)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:26:31 -0600
From: JOHN E DOLSON
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Dead cylinder

>What is the best way to check if you have a dead cylinder?`

The best way to tell if you have a dead or low performing cylinder is to
perform a Cylinder Balance Test

1) run engine till it reaches normal operating tempeture
2) connect Tachometer and record the normal idling RPM ( leave tach
connected)
3) Using a pair of sparkplug boot pliers, pull the plugwire off 0ne of
the plugs
4) record the drop in RPM's for that cylinder, and replace the plugwire
5) do the same for all cylinders

on a good engine, every time you disable a cylinder, it will drop a few
hundred rpm's. If When you disable a cylinder, there is no change in RPM,
That cylinder is dead.


John Dolson
Jefferson City, MO
1976 F150---Freshly built 390

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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 14:29:03 -0600
From: David.R.John deluxe.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tires, gear ratios, effect on speedo

>>Adding you get 22.3% and multiplying you get 23.327% :-)

>I've been listening patiently. Guys, 23% error means that if the speedo
>registers 60, you are actually going 74? Or would it be 46? That's a lot
of
>error. Are you sure?

I know it is a lot but when I am doing 60 on the speedo I am flowing with
the traffic just fine on the freeway, being passed ocassionally. Normally
when I drive the car I set the cruise at 78 or 79 (speed limit 70) and I
would be rolling with the traffic (except for idiots in the left lane :
- --(). So the 74 number does not seem out of line at all.

The question now is how can I cheaply make the speedo more accurate?
Figure out what my "gear" ratio is with these tires and try to find a
speedo gear that is close? Are there such a thing as 3.33 gears or close
to it? (4.10/1.23=3.33) Can I now buy a speedo gear for this gear ratio
put it in and be pretty close, or is it not that simple?

Thanks!!!!!!

David John

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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:32:54 EST
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - What were they thinking ?

In a message dated 11/03/1999 4:21:33 PM !!!First Boot!!!, JJJJJGRANT aol.com
writes:


78
f150 4x4 w/5" of lift
35" tires and a hellacious winch bumper, i slow down just enough to keep the
bumper in their rear view mirror.

figured i'd grow out of being that way, but most of them are in a hurry to
pull out in front of you, then go about 40 in a 55 and then turn 1/4 mile
down the road.
usually its some teenager in a mini truck or foreign car. of course i do
respect my elders. >>

I know the feelin! I got the same truck w/ a 4" lift and call me sick but I
love striking fear into any idiot driver who dares to mess with me LOL
ESPECIALLY in those lowered Rice burners, my bumper comes even to the roof of
their car! *EVIL GRIN*

*~*~Lisa adn Envy~*~*
*~*~Silly boys...trucks are for girls!~*~*
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:41:12 EST
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - A LIL OFF SUBJECT BUT......

Hi guys! I need your advice. Yesterday I was giving a friend a ride home
girl> and these older guys
older then me and if they were WAY younger, like my age, and cute of course,
then maybe we would wouldn't have ignored 'en> started tailgating me, I mean
RIGHT on my bumper. Then they started honking. I tried to ignore them but
unfortunately we hit a red light so we were stopped with them next to us.
They were whistling and saying gross stuff. Thank God they were in the other
lane cuz I floored it around a corner and they went another way. My question
is: What if someone like this is following me, what can I do? My 'rents say
go to a well lighted gas station or better yet, a police station and DON'T
drive to your house! Any other suggestions because this isn't the first time
this has happened. Thank's y'all!

*~*~Lisa and Emvy~*~*
*~*~Silly boys, trucks are for GIRLS!~*~*
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:44:09 -0600
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Tires, gear ratios, effect on speedo

> The question now is how can I cheaply make the speedo more accurate?
> Figure out what my "gear" ratio is with these tires and try to find a
> speedo gear that is close? Are there such a thing as 3.33 gears or close
> to it? (4.10/1.23=3.33) Can I now buy a speedo gear for this gear ratio
> put it in and be pretty close, or is it not that simple?
>

The hard part is going to be finding it for your tranny ... the D44 I think
has a 3.31 or something like that available, there's a 3.27 in the back of
my car (8.8"rear) and there's a 3.25 available for the 9" .. probably even
more with some searching ... but you might be ahead to just pull the speedo
gear out of your tranny, count the teeth on that, then do the math from
there, count the teeth, divide to get the number of teeth you need and see
how close you can get ..

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:47:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Ballinger
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rochesters

>BTW, I just got my hands on a 71 (GM) rochester carb.
> No choke on it
>but
>the throttle lever is exactly what I need to fit a
>ford link and on the
>right side too :-) Now all I need is a book and a
new >manifold :-)
>How
>does $50 sound to you guys? (doesn't matter, I
>thought it was a pretty
>good
>price :-)) I may be hollering at ya shortly Bill for
>some advice :-)

$50 ain't bad. You might want to find the stuff for
an electric choke to put on it. An '80's Dual-Jet is
a good source for the the choke housing, most I've
seen at least have the bosses to fit the housing to,
you may have to drill it and thread it. Or you can
always set up a manual choke, which to be truthful, I
think works better than anything.

The number on the drivers side rear of the carb will
correspond to a kit, and you can tell what it came off
of. Just call NAPA and they can usually match it up.
They usually are 725 cfm in that vintage, the later
ones are usually 800 cfm. I'd reccomend a primary
choke pull off over the secondary type. They tend to
bind up sooner. The secondary type doubles as a
vacuam break for the secondary air-valve, delaying
full opening of the valve until the vacuam signal
levels off a little. My '81 800 cfm carb just has the
primary and relies on spring pressure to regulate the
secondary air valve. If you stomp it, it will spit,
but if you push it down in a measured pace it will
swallow it whole and deliver quite a kick. Love that
carb!

I'm running it on an aluminum spreadbore adapter on an
Edelbrock Performer with a K&N and headers with 2 1/2
straight thru Thrush mufflers stopping at the rear
axle.(makes the house windows buzz a little when you
drive up) It's an electric choke BTW. I only see
drivability trouble when it's 35-55 degrees out and
damp. Otherwise it runs like a champ all the time and
gets 10-12 w 4.56's around town driving.



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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:49:56 EST
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL OFF SUBJECT BUT......

Well, if they're in a small car,,,or midsize,,,anything shorter than a
ranger, you could run em over? i agree with the lighted gas station theory
but id look for a "busy" lighted gas station. The police station or fire
station is your best bet i guess,,,,

Ian
79 F250 4x4 4spd 351M
True Blue Ford Blue
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:58:44 -0800
From: "Southerland, Rich"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - A LIL OFF SUBJECT BUT......

One of the few (IMHO) good reasons to have a cell phone is for stuff like
this. You can buy a used phone for next to nothing. You don't even have to
activate it. If you have 911 in your area, a cell phone can call it even if
not activated.

I bought a used one for $20 and keep it in my van for stuff like this,
reporting accidents, drunk drivers, ect...

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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:06:24 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Oil slingers & M blocks

Good point Gary but the front covers on the M series are different animals
from the 460s as I'm sure you know so maybe this is a design issue. I'd be
interested to know if the 400 in my truck now has one but that's gonna have
to wait until I get it out. The parts guy at the dealership said that the
computer goes from '80 on but the book goes all the way back to '73 and
neither one showed a part # for a slinger for the M blocks. I didn't ask
about the Clevelands tho'.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Peters, Gary (G.R.)
To:
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 9:44 AM
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Oil slingers & M blocks


> I'd use the slinger if there is one for it. I wish the 460 had one.....or
> does it? You'd be surprised how much oil it keeps off the seal and the
> ground :-)
>



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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:49:29 -0500
From: "Clem Salek"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - What were they thinking ?

In a message dated 11/03/1999 4:21:33 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
JJJJJGRANT aol.com
writes:


78
f150 4x4 w/5" of lift
35" tires and a hellacious winch bumper, i slow down just enough to keep
the
bumper in their rear view mirror.

figured i'd grow out of being that way, but most of them are in a hurry to
pull out in front of you, then go about 40 in a 55 and then turn 1/4 mile
down the road.
usually its some teenager in a mini truck or foreign car. of course i do
respect my elders. >>


I


of





Don't assume that all these people in their rice burners are messing with
you...sometimes we're just going in for a closer look. Usually a quick
"thumbs up" from me will smooth out hostilities. Personally, my rice burner
keeps me from going in the poor house. I've put nearly 6K miles on my car
in the past 5 weeks, and I'd hate to pay those fuel bill if I had been
driving my truck. (Besides, parking in parking garages is impossible). I
used to think as you do, and still sometimes must remind myself that not
everyone (just the majority?) out there is against old trucks, lifted
vehicles, and big-block powered monsters...We just can't afford it on a
daily basis!

Clem
"Recon Unit 1"
'79 F350,460,NP435
10Ton PTO Winch

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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:12:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Exhaust crossover

Azie wrote:
> John LaG. writes: >>The hot air crossover is only functional during warm up
> while the exhaust heat riser valve on one bank is closed. When both exhausts
> are wide open, there isn't a pressure differential to send anything through
> there.
>
> I disagree. The spring that holds the heatriser butterfly closed is somewhat
> heat sensitive to slacken the tension, but it doesn' completely relax the
> spring and therefore it causes exhaust gases to flow through the intake
> 100% of the time. It isn't much difference in pressure, but it is there
> and at 2grand or above it takes very little to cause a difference in pressure.

So, which engines have a heat riser valve? My FE360 doesn't, did it just
get tossed by the PO? I do remember pounding on a few to free them,
but not on my current truck :-)
- --
Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 14:11:59 -0700
From: William Whited
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL OFF SUBJECT BUT......

A very good point also I think it is very important to keep a cool head like
you did, turned and went on about your business. One of the reasons certain
people do these kinda of things is the control factor they fell that if you
panic or intimidated then they have gained an upper hand. Be calm relaxed and
think rationally, if you do you are already one step ahead of them.

William A Whited
74 F100 Ranger Supercab 390
77 F150 Custom 460
El Paso, TX
Semper Fi

"Southerland, Rich" wrote:

> One of the few (IMHO) good reasons to have a cell phone is for stuff like
> this. You can buy a used phone for next to nothing. You don't even have to
> activate it. If you have 911 in your area, a cell phone can call it even if
> not activated.
>
> I bought a used one for $20 and keep it in my van for stuff like this,
> reporting accidents, drunk drivers, ect...
>
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 13:13:30 PST
From: "Bonnie Monget"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Wiring Diagrams???

Hello,

My name is Jim and I just bought an 1969 Ford F250, v8 360 truck.
My gas gauges, I have two tanks, the wiring is missing for the switch to
select the fuel gauge for each tank. I also have a lot of loose wires that
I cannot identify. So, I was wondering if anyone has a chassis wiring guide
diagram or knows where I can get one.

Thank you so much,

Jim

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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:30:29 -0600
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Exhaust crossover

> So, which engines have a heat riser valve? My FE360 doesn't, did it just
> get tossed by the PO? I do remember pounding on a few to free them,
> but not on my current truck :-)
>

Good question, we got some manifolds from the junk yard that had the heat
riser in it, it was an FE pickup motor, but no idea the year or anything ...
seems like the part number is a 73 on my manifold (the manifolds are
different on the drivers side between those with and those without) ... the
76 motor I had out of a 3/4 ton didn't have the heat riser, so I couldn't
bolt my exhaust up to it and ended up using the old manifolds on the motor
(til I can afford the sandersons ;) I think that manifold was a 74/5 part
number ...I could probably look when I get home.

Seems like there are "cooling" vanes on the newer one too, where the older
one didn't have them ...

One way to tell if your truck is supposed to have one or not is to check the
driver's side manifold, usually there's a "doughnut" in there to seal things
up, if this doughnut has a bevel to sit in on the manifold side, then its
original, if its just mated to a flat surface you used to have the flapper
in there ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 16:38:30 -0500
From: Steve Schaefer
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: C-6 OD

Tell us more about this "Bolt on " OD for C6!!!!! Inquireing minds
want to
know!!!!!!!!

Well Azie, I can only tell you what I know about it. I am buying a
front clip from someone and I was there to inqure about it this past
weekend and he ws cleaning out his garage. I asked what the chunk of
aluminum (transfer case looking, but with only one output, thing) was.
It has an adapter similar to what is between a tranny and a transfer
case. It has a couple of wires that go to it. He had bought it and was
going to put it in is 72 F-250 with the 428. He found he had more of a
highway gear than he thought and it would require a modification to the
crossmember. I am trying to find out if it would hold up to the torque
of a 460 and the weight of a truck, car on a flatbed on its back and a
trialer. Any info would be great.

Steve S.
76 F-350 Crewcab flatbed (finally painted)
77 F-250 Supercab (yellow/purple)


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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:53:26 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 302 with 351 heads

Wish writes: >>I heard somewhere that there was a company making special bolts
to do the
trick, I thought those sounded like the easiest for what most of us do to
our motors ... they are the smaller diameter for the block side and have a
large shank to hold the head securely ... don't remember who made them
though :(

What do the marine I/O with the 302 use for headbolts?? They are 302's with 351
heads.. I know this because a friend of mine let one freeze and cracked both
heads. The Marine shop gave him something like $1800 estimate to repair. I
talked him into letting my Son and I tear it down. When we went to the Salvage
yard looking at engines, we found an engine with the identical heads on it. It
was a 1975 LTD with 351W. Had the same casting #'s. We purchased the heads and
had them reworked and new seals and installed them on the 302 in the I/O boat
and it is still running very reliablely and the owner swears it has the same
power and characteristics. That was roughly 15 years ago.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:09:50 -0600
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 302 with 351 heads

> What do the marine I/O with the 302 use for headbolts??
>

Are they actually standard 302 blocks, or are they marine 302 ? they may be
using a larger boss so that the larger bolts for the 351 heads will fit on
it ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 23:11:58 -0800
From: Jack Wolf
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 62 Ford unibody

>Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 14:15:38 -0800
>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>From: Jack Wolf
>Subject: 62 Ford unibody
>In-Reply-To:
>
>Hello To All,
>
>I have owned my 1962 unibody truck over 20 years. This F-100 has performed
far beyond my expectations. It carried my wife to work from Sacramento, to
Elk Grove, CA daily for 5 years. Pounded the Nevada desert floor with no
mercy from its driver. Carried loads far beyond the legal limit. In 1984 my
1962 Ford unibody F-100 would be put to the real test. With only new tires
and in home paint job it would now take the daily journey between Roseville
and South San Francisco, Ca. not once but usually twice a day couriering
freight to and from silicon valley. The grueling pace lasted nearly 13
months, until its capacity could no longer hold the volume. We now run, 5
Ford Aeromax L9000's, 3 F-800's, 1 F-600, and 15 other assorted vehicle's
mostly Fords. And 1 Ford Monster Bronco used to show up the competitors
when its time to make that snowy trip between Reno, NV and Roseville, CA.
with a Hot Medical computer part. Anyway we never could have been
successful with out the our icon truck our 1962 Ford F-100 unibody.
>
>Its time to rebuild, It still is licensed and runs on the road, but wew is
it worn to a frazel. I would be more than happy to send a picture of how I
received it over 20 years ago and when I finished it the first time. Just
e-mail me if you want and I'll send it. I have a feeling parts are not
going to be so easy to come by as they were 20 years ago.
>
>My first task should be repairing the supports between the cab body and
the frame these have rusted pretty bad. I did not repair them the first
time but this time its a must. At one time these supports were available
thru JC whitney. I have ordered a catalog from JC whitney but I dough they
are in there. Does anyone no were I might find these or is it time to make
my own?
>
>I presently have a 272 bored to 292 with 312 marine heads with the valves
cut to 45 degrees and exhausted by headman headers. I grooved the outer
cams bearing and house to make room for a piano wire pressed between the
bearing and it housing. this prevented the possibility of ever having to
use over head oilers as so many had to on the older y block engines. Do you
think I should try to rebuild this once awesome engine or update to what?
my son wants horse power and speed. I think its time to let this old Ford
shine one more time. I would appreciate any advise you want to give.
>
>
>Thank You, Jack and Brian
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 15:42:04 -0800
From: Mike Pacheco
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dead cylinder

They can't test the engine if you have a MSD ignition setup... at least
thats what they told me.
Mike in Burien
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 19:01:26 -0800
From: "O'Connor"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Hood and Hinges

Hi List,
My 66 had a hood that rested above the cowl about 3/8". I could push it
down flush; but it would come back up as soon as it was on the road. The
slots on the hinges were adjusted to the max and still did not match. I
purchased brand new hinges from Ford and the hood is still above the cowl
after adjustment. Has anyone ran into this problem. Do the hinges need to
be trimmed to fit?

Tim 66 F100 SWB Custom Cab Style Side w/ power steering and O/D
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:34:08 EST
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL OFF SUBJECT BUT......

Wow, sorry to hear about that hun. Id say your best bet is to head to a
populated area, maybe even a neighborhood. DOnt make eye contact, and dont
make any guestures that could provoke them. Also keep the truck locked up.
If it gets bad, use that CB of yours, and if help isnt quick enough, use that
big battering ram you drive for self defence. Theres not much on the road
that will keep following you if you "KISS" it, but this is in extreme
situations only!!!! BTDT!

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:44:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Exhaust crossover

wish wrote:
> Pat asked:
> > So, which engines have a heat riser valve? My FE360 doesn't, did it just
> > get tossed by the PO? I do remember pounding on a few to free them,
> > but not on my current truck :-)
>
> One way to tell if your truck is supposed to have one or not is to check the
> driver's side manifold, usually there's a "doughnut" in there to seal things
> up, if this doughnut has a bevel to sit in on the manifold side, then its
> original, if its just mated to a flat surface you used to have the flapper
> in there ...
>

Well, that's easy. A month or two back I was on my way to home
depot, to pick up materials for a home project. Kathy (SO),
who doesn't ride very often in my truck, mentioned that
"Your truck needs work". Back at home, not wanting to disobey
"SWMBO", I worked on my truck :-). I chose to replace both
donuts, to quiet down things a bit. Both tapered, and as I
recall, no sign of any flapper valve.

Maybe California-bound trucks didn't have risers installed?
Everyone knows it never gets cold here . . .
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryF?s=STA
Says 68 degrees here this afternoon :-)
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Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 16:55:06 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL OFF SUBJECT BUT......

Hi Filly

It looks like you have gotten some good advise by now.

1. Turn at the first opportunity
2. Find an area that is well lighted with lots of people.
3. Try to find Police, Fire or other security people.
4. Carry a phone,( just as a side note a cell phone is a good idea for just
about anybody. I have found it useful in many occasions and for $20-$25 a month
it is cheap insurance. If you do get one don't make lots of calls or go over
your limit. Even a local area call that is within your time is taxed at $.03 a
minute. The first generation Motorola StarTac can be had for 0 down just tax
with activation and is easy to stash in a small purse or clip on your belt.
This isn't an endorsement just my $.03)
5. If the passenger has time to write down the plate number of the vehicle that
could also be reported to the Police. Don't try to get the number yourself,
keep your eyes on the road and drive safely. Speeding will only get someone
hurt in this kind of situation.
6. Take some extended driving classes. Defensive and Offensive. Use the
offensive lessons in case you are blocked in to a parking area and such.

7. Also look into a AAA or other Automobile association membership. The first
time you need a tow or have your doors unlocked it will pay for itself. You can
also use your phone to call them ;) Been there done that.

I'm sure there is more to it but that's all I have for now

- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
99 Contour
63 F-100 4x4
43 GPW


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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 18:03:39 -0800
From: "S.Harkema"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Timing light

> > I use a timing light to trouble shoot ignition problems Clip
> the light to
> > each wire one at a time. The dead one won't make the timing
> l ight blink.

>Won't tell you if the plug,
>valves, rings,
>piston are dead though :-( >Only tells you if you have spark "to" the plug :-)

If the plug is fouled by oil or fuel the timing light will flash
intermittently or not at all.If plug or wire is bad light won't flash.
If my truck has a miss the first thing I do is break out the timing
light and if it shows all 8 are firing then I pull plugs,compression
test,leak down etc.The timing light is not the ultimate troubleshooting
tool,but like everything else it a tool box it has it's place.

I recently rebuilt the Holley on my 84.Bolted it on and it still didn't
run good.Hooked up the timing light and checked all 8 plugs wires.
The 4 rear cylinders showed weak or no spark.Pulled plugs and they were
fouled.I had the secondary float too high which did not affect the front
4 cylinders.Lowered float,changed plugs and it runs great now.
So I not only solved a ignition problem with my timing light,I solved a
carburation problem with it as well.
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:02:33 -0600
From: "Terry L. Rahn"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - MPG and Heat

As I read the posts about the manifold heat and proper atomization I
happened to think about my old cars. I have two 61 Falcons, one a tudor
wagon and the other a Futura. The Futura has a 170 6 popper and the wagon
has a 64 Fairlane 260. Both of these engines have a water jacket spacer that
the carb mounts on. My theory is that they were used to atomize the fuel
before entering the manifold. The six will get 31 MPG on the hwy. and the V8
gets 26 MPG on the hwy. I have met other folks with the 260 or 289 that
don't have this type of spacer and they can't get beyond 21 MPG. Ford
engineers must have had a reason to use this type setup. I found a 260
manifold and water jacket spacer to put on a 289 and it did improve the MPG,
I couldn't tell if performance was better. All of these motors are stock
specs. Just a thought to pass on.
Terry L. Rahn
78 E 250 Quadravan 460/C6
2 61 Falcons in need of TLC and $$$

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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:45:27 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Flying

John LaG. writes: >>To each his own. I don't fly, either. Why fly when there
are perfecly good
roads everywhere I want to go?

I spent the week of 10/18 in Hawaii. Good reason to Fly.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 23:40:38 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - posi units for sale

i can't remember if i posted this before or not.

i have a dana 60 posi unit brand new in the box and a posi unit for a dana 44
in the front of a 78-79 ford, i believe it will fit from 72-85 fords with a
dana 44 in the front.

the dana 60 is for up to 4.10 gears and the 44 unit is for up to 3.73 gears

again these are new in the boxes, i don't have a need for them anymore.

i paid 195.00 for the 44 unit and 235.00 for the 60 unit plus shipping

i want 175.00 for the 44
and 200.00 for the 60 plus shipping,i prefer to sell both togeather, but
may seperate
i also have a nice set of 3.50 gears and a standard carrier for a front dana
44 in a ford.

may consider trades

jeff grant
griffin, ga
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 23:42:29 EST
From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Clutches and things...

In a message dated 11/03/1999 3:12:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
wish iastate.edu writes:

Are you insinuating that I neglect and abuse my vehicle? You'd be 100%
> correct. Some of you may hang me for abusing my beloved Ford, but that's
> why I love it. Even after abuse, it keeps on going.

After the ribbing some of the guys have taken for even washing their trucks,
I don't think anyone'll care if you abuse it a little, that's why we have em
anyway, they can take it :)

(yes I need to wash the truck and the car)
>>

Me too! Ive got the green algae growing on the back end of my '79 Bronco's
shell & tailgate. I guess it doesn't see enough sun to bake it dry down here
in the swamps of Fl.
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 23:52:07 EST
From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - A LIL OFF SUBJECT BUT......

In a message dated 11/03/1999 3:46:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Bad4dFilly aol.com writes:



girl> and these older guys
lot
older then me and if they were WAY younger, like my age, and cute of course,
then maybe we would wouldn't have ignored 'en> started tailgating me, I
mean
RIGHT on my bumper. Then they started honking. I tried to ignore them but
unfortunately we hit a red light so we were stopped with them next to us.
They were whistling and saying gross stuff. Thank God they were in the other
lane cuz I floored it around a corner and they went another way. My question
is: What if someone like this is following me, what can I do? My 'rents say
go to a well lighted gas station or better yet, a police station and DON'T
drive to your house! Any other suggestions because this isn't the first time
this has happened. Thank's y'all! >>

Good advice. I'd head for the nearest public place with tons of light and
people. Maximum safety factor. Then again, depending on what they are....


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