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In this issue:

RE: FTE 61-79 - Thanks - 4X4 column u-joint
RE: FTE 61-79 - Clutches and things...
RE: FTE 61-79 - Driving Lights and Amperage ??? Lofty things.....
RE: FTE 61-79 - Mileage and Vacuum
FTE 61-79 - RE:289 rod bolts & RPM
RE: FTE 61-79 - vibration problem
FTE 61-79 - Deacon, Wake Up!
Re: FTE 61-79 - vibration problem
RE: FTE 61-79 - vibration problem
RE: FTE 61-79 - Body stuff, running Beast, high idle, w/s washer.
RE: FTE 61-79 - FE hate mail
FTE 61-79 - 351 Cleveland/Modified heads
RE: FTE 61-79 - Body stuff, running Beast, high idle, w/s washer.
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351 Cleveland/Modified heads
FTE 61-79 - Ford rules at the bar last night
Re: FTE 61-79 - M vs. FE was: Deacon, Wake Up!
FTE 61-79 - re:vibration problem
RE: FTE 61-79 - re:vibration problem
Re: FTE 61-79 - re:vibration problem
FTE 61-79 - dual vacuum distributor (was F-600)
FTE 61-79 - 77 F250 4X4 help
RE: FTE 61-79 - Body stuff, running Beast, high idle, w/s washer.
RE: FTE 61-79 - Body stuff, running Beast, high idle, w/s washer.
FTE 61-79 - Deacon's awake
Re: FTE 61-79 - Deacon's awake
FTE 61-79 - edelbrock carb
Re: FTE 61-79 - Clutches and things...
Re: FTE 61-79 - edelbrock carb
FTE 61-79 - Roadranger Trans.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Clutches and things...

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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 06:23:48 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Thanks - 4X4 column u-joint

I've never had a divorced xfer case truck so don't know how the linkage
worked but it seems to me that this linkage from any divorced setup would be
adaptable to your setup? Obviously, if it's divorced there is no adapter,
the tranny undoubtedly is a standard tail shaft type so there is no adapter,
therefore the linkage had to attach somewhere else?

On my scout, which I ran in 4wd all the time out of ignorance, I used those
black rubber straps to tie it firmly in place so it couldn't jump out :-)

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> Thanks to all who supplied numbers, I really appreciate it.
> Now maybe I
> can make that annoying clunk and the extra play go away. And it looks
> like a round of bearings for the t-case should take care of the other
> problem.
>
> Now, if I can just find a way to shift the t-case from INSIDE the
> cab.......
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 06:53:13 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Clutches and things...

If you don't abuse it and keep oil in it a t-18 or NP435 should last 200k or
so. Depending on use, the syncros may go out before that but bearings etc.
should be good for many miles. 3 speeds may not last as long if used as a
truck. They are typically rated for lower loads than the 4 speeds mentioned
above.

The clutch life is entirely dependant on the driver :-) I once saw a
perfectly good, HD Mustang GT clutch go out in one night when my son's
friend "borrowed" the car to go get Springsteen tickets. When he brought
the car back it would not move in the yard and weight of an empty shoe was
sufficient to push it to the floor.....:-( Keep it adjusted, always take
your foot completely off the pedal between every shift, put it in neutral at
stop lights and never, never, never ride the clutch pedal or slip the clutch
when shifting and it will last over 100k easily.

When you slip the clutch during shifts you not only glaze and wear the
clutch disk, you warp the beejeebies out of the flywheel and glaze it too.
Once that is done the clutch will slip or chatter even though it still has
almost new media thickness. As noted above, it doesn't take too much abuse
to melt the springs in the pressure plate either. I've seen two this
happened to so far and in both cases it was due to allowing the clutch to
slip for an excessive period of time, that is for a long single duration.
The first one I saw was due to attempting to turn over a frozen engine on
pavement where the operator didn't understand intermittant engagement to
shock the engine loose, he let it out and left it for about a mile or so.
When I stopped the tow vehicle and opened the door I was choked by the smell
:-( The Mustang case was no doubt an inept driver trying to do hole shots
behind his friend's back but didn't know how to do it.

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> On a 72 F100 , 360 engine, manual transmission, how many miles do you
> think you can get, on the average, before you have to replace the
> transmission? what do you think is about the maximum?
>
> How about the clutch?
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 07:14:31 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Driving Lights and Amperage ??? Lofty things.....

As Bill said, the fellow is a self empowered electrical expert, english
expert, and language usage expert but not especially forgiving of perceived
transgressions against the higher things in life such as lofty terminology
used by the highly educated. The words "Mint, Dill and Cumin" come to mind
:-)

In case this gentleman is still on the list, I am not ridiculing education
or learning or correctness but there is a time and place for staunch
correctness in speech and a more considerate manner in which to bring to
light mistakes people make in a discussion, if, in fact, there were mistakes
made and if, in fact, these are important to understanding the truth about
the subject being discussed :-)

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> I've been away, the last time I mumbled something on this
> list it was Oct 19
> Re- Ruby gets a Diesel Powered Sibling. What am I in trouble for now??

> Marvin said more than he should, you were right on IMNSHO :-)
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 07:25:22 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Mileage and Vacuum

If I recall you have a 400 in a F-250? The axles alone are a drag in that
case and you will not typically see the same economy with a 3/4 ton as with
a 1/2 ton truck with exactly the same power train but the exception of the
axles. There is more weight and the larger gears have more resistance etc..
12 is pretty normal for a 351M/400 in a truck but some lucky guys do get
better than that. When you figure it out, let us know and we will go into
business selling the your setup. Make a little pamphlet and do a direct
mail add campaign, make a million bucks :-) I'll be your agent......:-)

Seriously, I plan to build a 15 mpg 460 for my bronco but it won't be stock
and I don't expect success on the first try. When I say 15 I mean "Average"
:-)

I once leaned a junk Holley down till I had a surge at cruise and got worse
mileage, quite a bit worse actually....:-(

My plan for a high power, high efficiency, high economy 460 is roller
everything, not air intake, hot cross over, rochester spread bore carb,
headers and dual exhaust with cross over balance tube and tall gearing. The
right combination of these will do it but which combination is it????????

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> I can't get over 12mpg. I think I should be able to see 14 or 15. I
> will have to start reading the darned plugs now to see what
> my trash-bin
> carburator is doing. I think it might be too rich.
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 08:03:16 -0400
From: pdesanto Cinergy.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE:289 rod bolts & RPM

> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999
> From: canzus seanet.com
> Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 289 rebuild
>
> >You are correct, the rod bolts (5/16) are the weakest part. With
> proper preperation you can use 11/32 bolts, I used ARP (IIRC), and
> that 289 saw the other side of 7000rpm on a number of occasions.
> One time it saw "Bury the Tach" (8000rpm) when I broke 2nd gear
> racing a Nova to the next light.....Steve & the Rockette
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I agree, I had ARP's in my 289 in my Mustang too. It's seen
7600-7800 on several occasions with no apparent problems. (well...other
then broken drivetrain parts. lol )
Phil ( drivetrain's not a "hojo" term is it?)















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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 08:17:44 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - vibration problem

If it vibrates in neutral it is most likely in the engine. If it is also
making some noise it could be the torque converter loosening from the flex
plate or a broken flex plate and since the counter weight on the flex plate
is spot welded in place this could have come off too but most likely what
you have is a bad plug or a couple of bad plugs which will fire at the wrong
time and fire intermittantly causing a bad vibration or shudder. There may
be some back firing or after firing along with this in which case it's
almost assured to be some kind of ignition or valve train probelem.

I've heard of people losing the skirt off a piston too but seems like that
would have made some noise :-) Slipped timing chain will cause a vibration
or shudder or surging in certain conditions, especially when trying to rev
from idle. One tooth will make it run rough, two teeth will cause lots of
roughness, back firing and hard to start.

One other possibility is a sheared dizzy gear pin due to frozen oil
pump.....does it have any oil pressure when it runs? I saw one that threw a
valve keeper and popped the lifer out, push rod, valve springs and parts all
over the engine. It still ran but what a mess. The lifter came apart and
part lodged in the cam/dizzy gear and knocked the teeth out of the cam and
sheard the dizzy pin. (quit running about then :-)) Valve fell out and holed
the piston too, what a mess :-(

My suggestion is pull the plugs and look for fouling, then take off the
valve covers and look for some trouble in there. Check each push rod and
turn the engine over and look for problems. If you see nothing obvious then
the timing cover comes off next in my evaluation :-) Like the drunk looking
for his money under the street light, look at the easiest things first then
progress further into the depths of the engine :-)

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> My 79 F250 4x4 has developed a vibration about a month ago.
> it has gotten to
> the point of undrivable. I think I have narrowed it down to
> being in the
> engine or trans. When it is in park and revved a bit above
> idle it vibrates,
> but clears up when revved higher. Am I right in assuming its
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 08:51:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bill Ballinger
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Deacon, Wake Up!

>What do tires have to do with this discussion?

>Evidently you need to have a big block to make up for
>some size
>deficiencies
>in other areas...;-)

hehehehe, naw, it's just nice to have a big hammer
when I need it :-) You can always hold a little back,
but if you're giving it all you got and it aint
enough, well...

I'd just as well call an end to this silliness now.
I'm starting to get mail from people thinking I'm
serious. For anyone who thinks I'm flaming the M
block, I'm not. I'm just having a little fun here.
The M block is a pretty good engine (not as good as an
FE, but...:-)) and I have nothing against them. So
don't send me the hate mail, we're one big happy
family here. I'm just an FE-natic from way back. The
M is an underrated engine that did have a few quality
control issues when they first came out, but they got
them worked out toward the end, and they weren't built
for a performance application like earlier Ford
offerings. Worse yet, the aftermarket didn't build
much for it. A 4V intake and some good cams back then
would have helped alot. That's quite a tide to
performance respectability to swim against. Now the
performance parts exist and the M-block can be made to
put out some respectable power. You still don't want
to overheat them, as the castings are thin, but with
good sense applied that's no problem anyway.

I'll start another controversy here and say that an FE
doesn't weigh that much more than an M-block, so
really an FE isn't a big-block like a 460 is. It's
more of a cruiser-weight and that's why I like them so
much. They are also strong without much aftermarket
dependance. About any 9.5 to 1 390 with an aluminum
manifold(a Police Interceptor for instance), a good
cam( a stock 428CJ ) and headers will weigh in at just
under 600 lbs and can make a respectable 375-400 hp
and still make enough low end to work in a truck
application. No exotic parts, and just a little
tweaking on the oiling system and you have a fine
bullet for hammer time. The next step up you can
wring 500 hp out of one using some bigger valves and a
more agressive manifold and a little more compression.
But the short block properly prepped can do it, and
the heads, cam, and manifold can still be what the
factory offered over the counter. That's something
special in my book. I don't know of any other engine
that the factory offered so much flexibility in parts
for. So I'll always prefer the old iron beast to any
other engine Ford made. They were pretty good, even
now.

For my fellow FE lovers check out this link
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pro-stock-engineering.com this is Paul
Bedouin's company that makes some all out racing stuff
for Fords, it's good stuff to look at, but I'm sure
it's pricey.

Bill Hart (I think it was you)mentioned hypereutectic
pistons in a post that I can't find for some reason.
Are you running the Federal Mogul H304 P hypereutectic
pistons in your 390? If so what kind of crown do they
have? Dished, Flat-top? I'd like to see what they
look like because I'm still looking at pistons for my
rebuild. I'd like a set of flat-tops because I have
the early style head (72-76 cc) and want 9.5 to 9.75
to 1 CR. You mentioned yours was 9.8 to 1, do you run
89 or 93 octane fuel? Has pinging been a problem?
You can email me privately at ballingr ldd.net with
the info if you like.


=====

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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 12:01:19 EDT
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - vibration problem

I got a vibration problem too, whenever I am idling at a stop my exhaust
system is hittin against my frame and it's SO loud! The people in the car
next to me always look at me like "WHat the hell is THAT?" LOL It's kinda
funny! Anyways, any of y'all know how to fix it?

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~SIlly boys....truck are for GIRLS~*~*
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 12:31:50 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - vibration problem

Anchor the exhaust so it doesn't move so easily or re-align the pipe so it's
not as close to the frame :-)

If you mean the vibration itself, we need more info :-)

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> I got a vibration problem too, whenever I am idling at a stop
> my exhaust
> system is hittin against my frame and it's SO loud! The
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 12:42:08 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Body stuff, running Beast, high idle, w/s washer.

I noticed I forgot a couple of things in this post. The carb is a
Holley 600 4 bbl, manual choke, vacuum secondaries, model 4160.



>> Right now with the weather a little colder, with the exception
>> of the next few days, I can't get my new carb to "high idle". It will if
>> I pull the choke out when it's warmed up. It went down shortly after I
>> put the new carb on it, so it's still running a little rich. I don't
>> know if that would have anything to do with it? Any suggestions? I'm
>> new at fiddling with adjusting a carb any more than the curb idle
>> adjustment. I can always dig a book out but figured someone out there
>> could give it to me in plain English.


Ted Wnorowski
Bellevue,OH
' 64 F-250
352 transplant
4 speed



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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 12:43:36 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - FE hate mail

Hate, Hate, Hate........:-) Everyone knows 460's rule :-) Ok, the only FE
I recall that got a bad rap was the 406, something about longevity? You can
blow up any engine if you try hard enough and you can make any engine run
strong if you try hard enough but some engines are easier to make power with
such as the FE and 460 :-) Not sure why the 390's burn valves but wonder if
it has anything to do with unleaded gas? Hardened seats weren't around
untill about 73 as I recall? Guess I just can't figure how you burn valves
if they are adjusted properly and mixture is correct for the application?
I've heard the exhaust ports, manifolds and pipe can affect the exhaust
valves to some extent? Changes the way it breathes which changes the way it
mixes etc..

Burnt the valves on a festiva twice but it has the Ch**y style two together
in the center and I used to get 80 mph out of it in third when passing
traffic.....could that be it?

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> FE, but...:-)) and I have nothing against them. So
> don't send me the hate mail, we're one big happy
> family here.
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 12:07:45 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 351 Cleveland/Modified heads

What are the chamber volumes of the various M-block heads thruout the
years?

Jason
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 13:14:40 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Body stuff, running Beast, high idle, w/s washer.

Ok, what do you mean by "High Idle"? You mean when cold? Why do you want
high idle when warm? Whether manual or electric the choke linkage has a
plastic cam (fast Idle cam) with an idle screw which is supposed to do this.
If this is not set up correctly the fast idle won't work right. The cam
operates against the choke linkage which has a set screw in it (supposed to
anyway) which acts against the primary linkage to hold the throttle plate
open. By adjusting the screw you pre-set the idle speed for each step on
the cam. It's a good idea to try to adjust this when the engine is cold and
choke is on full to the lowest speed it will run at reliably so when it
begins to warm up it doesn't race away while you are in the house collecting
your lunch etc....

Re-reading your post gave me a thought.....when warmed up it won't idle at
all? You may have an air leak at the carb base so the only way it will idle
is with the choke part way on which enriches the mixture. Is this what you
mean? Open ports, bad base gasket seal, open EGR valve can all cause this.
Damaged idle mixture screws can cause this too. If it's running too rich
and won't idle the check ball in the accellerator pump might be misplaced or
float setting may be too high.

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> I noticed I forgot a couple of things in this post.
> The carb is a
> Holley 600 4 bbl, manual choke, vacuum secondaries, model 4160.
>
>
>
> >> Right now with the weather a little colder, with
> the exception
> >> of the next few days, I can't get my new carb to "high
> idle". It will if
> >> I pull the choke out when it's warmed up. It went down
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 10:22:20 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351 Cleveland/Modified heads

Jason,

Check out http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wrljet.com/engines/cleveland.html for all of the info
on the Cleveland series including the Aussie heads.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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From: Jason & Kathy Kendrick
To: ;
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 1999 10:07 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 351 Cleveland/Modified heads


> What are the chamber volumes of the various M-block heads thruout the
> years?



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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 11:13:48 -0400
From: "George W. Selby, III"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ford rules at the bar last night

I drove to the local watering hole, and saw s Ch#$% truck, same color
yellow as mine, so naturally I parked right next to it so he could see what
a real truck looked like. I went in, ordered dinner and a few drinks, and
saw the guy four stools down was wearing a Ch#$%- Get in, Sit down, Shut
Up, Hold On hat. So in a bit I struck up a conversation, and discovered it
was in fact his Chevy. His next question was, I wonder whose Damn Ford
that is next to my truck. I gave an evil laugh and said mine. He
immediatly claimed his truck could dust mine and then asked what kind of
engine had. 302, nope, 351, nope, Well what the hell you got? 400.
Suddenly his tune changes. Well, if I go home and get my silveradough,
then I can dust you. Oh really, what's it got? 350 and a four barrel. I
laughed and said, well my 400 has a 4-bbl, high-perf cam, and headers. I
told him I haven't come accross the 350 that can dog my truck, and it seems
everyone in a Chevy wants to get dogged by my truck whenever I'm driving.
After that he shut up. So I went on to tell him how my Ford had pulled out
my buddies S-10 that got stuck in my yard (still kinda wet here from our
trio of hurricanes this year, got a chance to go see the town 10 miles away
from me where I usually launch my boat, and around the boatramp, mobile
homes were wrapped around trees, and houses were undermined and sitting
broken up in pits from the force of the water. We never though we would
see this in our area, for instance the creek behind my house only rose 2
feet out of its banks at the worst I have ever seen it, never over the
bridge, and this time it rose like 10 feet higher and 100 yards wide, this
is a creek usually 3 feet wide and 3 inches deep. Some towns only had a
area 100 square feet that were above water for days)

George Selby
78 F-150 400M, 4 on floor, 4x4
86 Nissan 300ZX
82 Jeep Cherokee
85 Dodge W-100
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 10:38:04 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - M vs. FE was: Deacon, Wake Up!

Awwww! You're no fun! We haven't had a good engine war this year yet...;-)
'Sides you can't call a halt to hostilities then take a parting shot!

Seriously Bill, no offense taken by me anyway. I love the challenge of
taking a motor like the M series and making it into something exciting. It's
like taking a bunch of wood and turning it into a fine piece of furniture as
opposed to refinishing an already fine piece of furniture like the FE. Weird
distinction but it's the only one I could think of that sorta fit.

Anyway you have a great weekend.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Ballinger
To:
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 1999 8:51 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Deacon, Wake Up!


>
>
> >What do tires have to do with this discussion?
>
> >Evidently you need to have a big block to make up for
> >some size
> >deficiencies
> >in other areas...;-)
>
> hehehehe, naw, it's just nice to have a big hammer
> when I need it :-) You can always hold a little back,
> but if you're giving it all you got and it aint
> enough, well...
>
> I'd just as well call an end to this silliness now.
> I'm starting to get mail from people thinking I'm
> serious. For anyone who thinks I'm flaming the M
> block, I'm not. I'm just having a little fun here.



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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 11:34:32 -0600
From: "Greg Sage"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - re:vibration problem

My 79 F250 4x4 has developed a vibration about a month ago. it has gotten to
the point of undrivable. I think I have narrowed it down to being in the
engine or trans. When it is in park and revved a bit above idle it vibrates,
but clears up when revved higher. Am I right in assuming its in the engine
or trans and not the transfer case because its in park? Any suggestions on
how to narrow it down from there? By the way it has 400 engine and C6 trans.

Phil,
I have the same problem with my 78. After looking at the harmonic balancer
on the front of the engine, I noticed it had quite a wobble to it. A friend
was telling me that this balancer has fluid in it that tends to leak. Told
me to replace it with a new one(not from the wreckers) and this would
probably solve my problem. Also told me that it may be too late as it could
of damaged my crank already. I'm going to give this replacement a shot and
will let you know.

Greg
Calgary, Alberta...Canada
1978 F150 2WD 351M/400 C6 w/shiftkit 2nd owner (Albert)

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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 13:48:25 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - re:vibration problem

Never seen a stock one with fluid in it? All I've seen are two piece with
rubber between? The wobble is due to the rubber disintegrating and the
damper beginning to fall apart or......the crank snout is about to fall off
:-( A fellow I know put a yard engine in his truck only to find out that
the vehicle it came from had been rear ended so hard that it cracked the
snout on the crank from inertia due to the impact. He no sooner got it in
and all hooked up and started it than the snout broke off sending some parts
into the radiator. Whether the accident caused it or mishandling in the
yard I wouldn't want to guess but it shows that it can happen in any case
:-)

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> was telling me that this balancer has fluid in it that tends
> to leak. Told
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 14:19:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: rich may
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - re:vibration problem

I am also having a vibration problem. I have a 1976
F250 with a 390GT and a C-6. It originally had a
manual tranny and I think that the old owner didn't
bother to change flywheels. I haven't checked it yet,
but I believe that it has a manual wheel. When it was
in the shop, I asked the mechanic what he thought and
he said it was probably the flywheel. It dissapears at
1800 RPM+ but at anything underneath that, it shakes
rather violently. Any insight would be appreciated.



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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 14:55:15 PDT
From: "gene gardner"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - dual vacuum distributor (was F-600)

Thanks for the replies to my question about the 2nd vac line. Guess I'll
leave it disconnected since the engine runs fine. BTW the deceleration
module is a plastic egg-sized thingy mounted on the valve cover above the
coil. The 2nd vac line runs from the back of the vacuum advance unit to
this, and a separate hose in the back of the thingy then connects to the
carb. Apparently this "anti-backfire module" is only on the 240 and 300
sixes since most of you V-8 guys don't seem to have it.

Texican Teacher
70 F100 w 300 I6

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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 15:06:10 -0000
From: "Brad Wetmore"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 77 F250 4X4 help

I have an early 77 F250 4X4, with the old style power steering valve and ram
set-up. I wanto to convert it over to a saginaw type box. I would
appreciate any info anyone has on this swap. Are there any websites with
this??? I am also looking at replacing the old tired 351 with a 460. Is
this really a bolt in swap?

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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 14:54:26 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Body stuff, running Beast, high idle, w/s washer.

Yeah, it idles great when it's warm. It just won't perk up when
it's cold and the choke is all the way on. It will if I pull it out when
it's warmed up. I don't want it when it's warmed up, I was just seeing how
it would react.
I know what your talking about with the cam. I'll have to wait
until it cools down later. Been out in this beautiful mid Ohio sunshine
driving it all over the place.
The air leak at the base and general POS condition of the old carb
is why the new Holley is on it. The previous owner swears it was a Holley.
Not a chance. When I pulled it off last year I swear it had a beer carton
cut up for a gasket.
Thanks bunches for the reply.

At 01:14 PM 10/30/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Ok, what do you mean by "High Idle"? You mean when cold? Why do you want
>high idle when warm? Whether manual or electric the choke linkage has a
>plastic cam (fast Idle cam) with an idle screw which is supposed to do this.
>If this is not set up correctly the fast idle won't work right. The cam
>operates against the choke linkage which has a set screw in it (supposed to
>anyway) which acts against the primary linkage to hold the throttle plate
>open. By adjusting the screw you pre-set the idle speed for each step on
>the cam. It's a good idea to try to adjust this when the engine is cold and
>choke is on full to the lowest speed it will run at reliably so when it
>begins to warm up it doesn't race away while you are in the house collecting
>your lunch etc....
>
>Re-reading your post gave me a thought.....when warmed up it won't idle at
>all? You may have an air leak at the carb base so the only way it will idle
>is with the choke part way on which enriches the mixture. Is this what you
>mean? Open ports, bad base gasket seal, open EGR valve can all cause this.
>Damaged idle mixture screws can cause this too. If it's running too rich
>and won't idle the check ball in the accellerator pump might be misplaced or
>float setting may be too high.
>
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>78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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>
> > I noticed I forgot a couple of things in this post.
> > The carb is a
> > Holley 600 4 bbl, manual choke, vacuum secondaries, model 4160.
> >
> >
> >
> > >> Right now with the weather a little colder, with
> > the exception
> > >> of the next few days, I can't get my new carb to "high
> > idle". It will if
> > >> I pull the choke out when it's warmed up. It went down
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Bellevue,OH
' 64 F-250
352 transplant
4 speed



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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 18:50:52 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Body stuff, running Beast, high idle, w/s washer.

Yeah, it idles great when it's warm. It just won't perk up when
it's cold and the choke is all the way on. It will if I pull it out when
it's warmed up. I don't want it when it's warmed up, I was just seeing how
it would react.
I know what your talking about with the cam. I'll have to wait
until it cools down later. Been out in this beautiful mid Ohio sunshine
driving it all over the place.
The air leak at the base and general POS condition of the old carb
is why the new Holley is on it. The previous owner swears it was a Holley.
Not a chance. When I pulled it off last year I swear it had a beer carton
cut up for a gasket.
Thanks bunches for the reply.

At 01:14 PM 10/30/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Ok, what do you mean by "High Idle"? You mean when cold? Why do you want
>high idle when warm? Whether manual or electric the choke linkage has a
>plastic cam (fast Idle cam) with an idle screw which is supposed to do this.
>If this is not set up correctly the fast idle won't work right. The cam
>operates against the choke linkage which has a set screw in it (supposed to
>anyway) which acts against the primary linkage to hold the throttle plate
>open. By adjusting the screw you pre-set the idle speed for each step on
>the cam. It's a good idea to try to adjust this when the engine is cold and
>choke is on full to the lowest speed it will run at reliably so when it
>begins to warm up it doesn't race away while you are in the house collecting
>your lunch etc....
>
>Re-reading your post gave me a thought.....when warmed up it won't idle at
>all? You may have an air leak at the carb base so the only way it will idle
>is with the choke part way on which enriches the mixture. Is this what you
>mean? Open ports, bad base gasket seal, open EGR valve can all cause this.
>Damaged idle mixture screws can cause this too. If it's running too rich
>and won't idle the check ball in the accellerator pump might be misplaced or
>float setting may be too high.
>
>--
>Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
>78 Bronco Loving, Gary
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167
>--
>
> > I noticed I forgot a couple of things in this post.
> > The carb is a
> > Holley 600 4 bbl, manual choke, vacuum secondaries, model 4160.
> >
> >
> >
> > >> Right now with the weather a little colder, with
> > the exception
> > >> of the next few days, I can't get my new carb to "high
> > idle". It will if
> > >> I pull the choke out when it's warmed up. It went down
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Bellevue,OH
' 64 F-250
352 transplant
4 speed



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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 17:21:28 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Deacon's awake

I'm thinking of putting the 400M C6 in the '73 F100 which has a
weenie 302
fried C4 (flame on weenie engine lovers) (snicker-snicker). The FE is in
my '76. Come on Stu. I haven't killed all my brain cells,,,yet. ;]

I'm still not sure about what's up with this Lincoln rear end. It
may also be some kind of a speed sensor bolted to an abnormally large 9"
differential. I washed off some of the caked on
grease and took a couple Polaroid's of it that I'll try to get scanned
and uploaded to my webpage. The differential is bigger than the ones in
my other vehicles with 9" rear ends and has an odd shape. It's difficult
to explain so I'll let everyone know when the pictures are uploaded.

Later!

Deacon
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 19:47:18 -0500
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Deacon's awake

At 05:21 PM 10/30/99 -0700, you wrote:
> I'm thinking of putting the 400M C6 in the '73 F100 which has a
>weenie 302
>fried C4 (flame on weenie engine lovers) (snicker-snicker). The FE is in
>my '76. Come on Stu. I haven't killed all my brain cells,,,yet. ;]

Deacon,

My bad Big guy!! I knew you had an FE in one of your rigs....brain rot has
taken
over my grey matter I fear. If in fact you are going to swap a 302 C-4 for
a 400 C-6, then I happen to approve of the
swap since weenie car motors like the 302 and C-4's don't really belong in
trucks.
(yes 302 fans, that was also intentional! hehehe)

Later........

Stu
Nuke GM!

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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 18:13:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: rich may
Subject: FTE 61-79 - edelbrock carb

I was wondering if there was any way to tell what size
carb is on my engine. It is an Edelbrock. It appears
to be chrome colored. IT is on a 1968 390GT. Any help
is good help.

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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 18:27:59 -0700
From: Mike Pacheco
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Clutches and things...

Don't know about the engine, depends how she has been treated, do you
have the 3 or 4 speed? again it depends.
I have 245,000 miles on my 72'. Of course this is the 3rd engine, I keep
upgrading..haha
Let me know if you have a 3 speed and if its giving you problems, I
have the 3 speed I pulled out of it, it was rebuilt 40K miles ago.

Mike in Burien
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 18:39:01 -0700
From: MC
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - edelbrock carb

On the lower left corner of the front of the carb (looking from the
front of the truck) is a number. Down on the flange where it bolts to
the manifold. If you take that number to a parts house, they should be
able to tell you what size it is. These are all the numbers I know for
sure.

1405 - 600cfm, Manual choke
1406 - 600cfm, Electric choke
1407 - 750cfm, Manual choke

Or you could just compare your numbers to what you find on their
website. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/index.html

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