From: owner-61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com (61-79-list-digest)
To: 61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com
Subject: 61-79-list-digest V3 #396
Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Sender: owner-61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com
Errors-To: owner-61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com
Precedence: bulk


61-79-list-digest Saturday, October 30 1999 Volume 03 : Number 396



=======================================================================
Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans
Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
To unsubscribe, send email to:
majordomo ford-trucks.com
with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list-digest" in the body of the
message.
=======================================================================
In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Stinking cars
Re: FTE 61-79 - dual vacuum distributor (was F-600)
FTE 61-79 - Bearing Install
FTE 61-79 - Driving Lights and Amperage ???
Re: FTE 61-79 - Driving Lights and Amperage ???
FTE 61-79 - vibration problem
FTE 61-79 - Bearing Install & Model T Book
FTE 61-79 - Re: Deacon Wake Up!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Deacon Wake Up!
FTE 61-79 - Square headlights = pervert
FTE 61-79 - Thanks - 4X4 column u-joint
FTE 61-79 - 72 4x4
FTE 61-79 - Re: Flamin' QJets
FTE 61-79 - Mileage and Vacuum
FTE 61-79 - Roadranger trans
Re: FTE 61-79 - Roadranger trans
Re: FTE 61-79 - Roadranger trans
RE: FTE 61-79 - no fuel, interesting variation
FTE 61-79 - Clutches and things...

=======================================================================

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 13:31:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Stinking cars

Azie lashes back:
> Ken writes: >>the cars in Alabama, Louisiana and Texas all stunk!
> I wish ya'll had emissions testing.
>
> What an awful thing to wish on us....... My vehicles do not smoke - nor
> stink(unless I run over a skunk or something similar).

Ken wishing it or not, eventually EVERY state will have smog
inspections. The feds are insisting on it, and withholding
hiway funds for those that don't.

California has become better recently, as they are now ignoring
cars/trucks built before '73 or so. In a few years, they will
ignore anything older than 30 years :-)

The latest targets:

Gas Cans! Yep, all those bazillions of gas cans sitting around
spewing vapors into the atmosphere! Something must be done!

Add to the list: Nail polish! and, and, and, Bug Spray!

All kidding aside, all of the above are on the chopping block
to reduce the VOC content within the next few years. I suspect
they won't be able to reduce the VOC content of gasoline cans,
but they can add evaporative canisters to them. I think I'll
stock up on a few cheap ones while I can :-)
- --
Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California, where I can't buy DuPont paint . . .
== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 13:47:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - dual vacuum distributor (was F-600)

Gary wondered:
> The dual vac uses some form of both at different points in the operation of
> the engine but I don't know for sure exactly why or how or when it uses
> which one. I would venture to guess that the ported is always pulling
> against the mainfold and mitigating it somewhat but not sure which way they
> are connected so can only speculate.
>
> Logic almost certainly dictates that you have manifold to the rear, pulling
> in the normal manner and ported in the front to mitigate it's effect under
> certain conditions but can't for the life of me see what for???

The dual diaphram was a NOX reduction device, it overrode the normal
vacuum advance under most conditions, including cruising. The retard
was connected through a thermal switch which disabled it under high
engine temp conditions, avoiding the inevitable fried piston or
two.
- --
Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California
== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:50:35 -0400
From: "Marvin Meyer"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bearing Install

heat the bearing to install it. We used an induction furnace, but a home
oven would work too. Heat the bearing to apprx 325í. If you have a chest
freezer, toss the axle in it. You gotta be fast, but the freezer will
shrink the axle, and the oven will enlarge the bearing
Right on Darrell

You can Heat it up to 700 degrees safely, that's what we stress relieve all
bearings (except SS) at. Aerospace Bearings are a little different in
material composition.

Freezing the axle in your freezer is right on
Marvin Meyer
meyer stratford.webgate.net

== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 17:07:49 -0400
From: "Marvin Meyer"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Driving Lights and Amperage ???

I've been away, the last time I mumbled something on this list it was Oct 19
Re- Ruby gets a Diesel Powered Sibling. What am I in trouble for now??
Good thing our computers have Sent Items and Out boxes to verify what we
say.

Marvin said more than he should, you were right on IMNSHO :-) It is a fine
thing to try to help people understand things they are trying to solve but
the hocus pocus in that post did nothing for me and Iím sure it did not help
resolve the problem that was being discussed but it certainly made the
poster feel good about his education and accomplishments but is that what
the list is about?
If I say a wire is a hose and the bigger you make it the more electrical
water you can run through it does this really take anything away from
understaning the concept that larger wire can carry more Wattage or handle a
larger load? This is not an electrical engineering list, itís a shade tree
truck owners list. If I tell a guy to get bigger wires to get more juice at
the end Iíve covered his needs. He now knows that larger wire will allow
his lights to burn somewhat brighter and thatís all he needs to know to
resolve his problem.
If I tell him his switch is defective do I need to know exactly what part of
it failed? If I tell him his wiring is not at fault do I also have to give
him a lesson on electrical engineering? Next we will be discussing ďInverse
FunctionsĒ I took that class 3 times and still canít see a single
application for inverse functions but they are used in electronics so I
guess we better get them into the mix too, eh?
Thank you George :-) If Marvin had presented his case in this way I would
never have made a peep :-) It was educational and non-critical :-) We all
enjoy learning new things even if they mean correcting our own views
sometimes but no one likes to be called a Dolt because he used the wrong
term :-(

Marvin
meyer stratford.webgate.net
meyer strat.net


== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:20:13 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Driving Lights and Amperage ???

It wasn't you it was Melvin D Futt...he was rather discourteous is his reply
to a post from another list member.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Marvin Meyer
To: Ford Truck list
Sent: Friday, October 29, 1999 2:07 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Driving Lights and Amperage ???


> I've been away, the last time I mumbled something on this list it was Oct
19
> Re- Ruby gets a Diesel Powered Sibling. What am I in trouble for now??
> Good thing our computers have Sent Items and Out boxes to verify what we
> say.



== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 17:51:57 -0400
From: "Phil / Debi"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - vibration problem

My 79 F250 4x4 has developed a vibration about a month ago. it has gotten to
the point of undrivable. I think I have narrowed it down to being in the
engine or trans. When it is in park and revved a bit above idle it vibrates,
but clears up when revved higher. Am I right in assuming its in the engine
or trans and not the transfer case because its in park? Any suggestions on
how to narrow it down from there? By the way it has 400 engine and C6 trans.

Phil Beattie
66 F100
79 F250 4x4
91 F150 4x4
www.geocities.com/imstobu

== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 18:29:44 -0400
From: "Marvin Meyer"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bearing Install & Model T Book

I forgot, check the bearing cage that separates the balls/rollers. If its
steel or brass no problem, if its plastic then take it up to 150 degrees
(not sure will check )
The plastic cages are showing up more and more cus its cheaper, re
contracted out to Samsonite Luggage.
They make our strut stuff too.

While I was off doing my Family tree thing, one of my Grt Uncles worked for
Ford Highland plant. He gave me a 1913 Model T instruction Book. A brief
Quote from the book:



GO IT EASY
In the flush of enthusiasm, just after receiving your car, remember a new
machine should have better care until she "finds herself" than she will need
later, when the parts have become better adjusted to each other, limbered up
and more thoroughly lubricated by long running
You have more speed at your command than you can safely use on the
average roads, or even on the best roads save under exceptional conditions,
and a great deal more than you ought to attempt to use until you have become
thoroughly familiar with your machine, and the manipulation of brakes and
levers has become practically automatic.

Go it easy boys
Marvin

== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:02:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bill Ballinger
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Deacon Wake Up!

Beyer? Not you too!!! Oh the horror!!

It's OK man, you're all right. They just must be
running short of FE parts in your part of the world.
Sometimes you just have to make do with what you have.
Heck if it weren't for inflatable rubber, some folks
would be leading a real lonesome existance. :-)


>Cartel? I've never considered myself a member of a
>cartel. However I do
>drive an M block and shoot a 9mm so who knows?

>Beeg blocks?...We don' need no steenkin' beeg blocks!

=====

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:17:28 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Deacon Wake Up!

What do tires have to do with this discussion?

Evidently you need to have a big block to make up for some size deficiencies
in other areas...;-)

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Ballinger
To:
Sent: Friday, October 29, 1999 4:02 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Deacon Wake Up!


> Beyer? Not you too!!! Oh the horror!!
>
> It's OK man, you're all right. They just must be
> running short of FE parts in your part of the world.
> Sometimes you just have to make do with what you have.
> Heck if it weren't for inflatable rubber, some folks
> would be leading a real lonesome existance. :-)



== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 19:46:09 -0400
From: "Don Haring, Jr."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Square headlights = pervert

j arnold said:
> I happen to like the square headlights of the 79 versus the round.
> Does this mean I'm a pervert or closet mass murderer or something?

If you were a mass murderer, someone would be onto you by now.
Chances are, you're just a pervert. :)

- -don

- --
Don in Philadelphia
Internet Director, Keystone Chapter FCA | 66 Falcon Deluxe Club Wagon
Falconaut: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://fedora.net/falconaut | 61 Falcon Futura
Keystone: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://fedora.net/falconkey | classic scooters and bicycles


== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 17:38:09 -0700
From: Phil Clements
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Thanks - 4X4 column u-joint

Thanks to all who supplied numbers, I really appreciate it. Now maybe I
can make that annoying clunk and the extra play go away. And it looks
like a round of bearings for the t-case should take care of the other
problem.

Now, if I can just find a way to shift the t-case from INSIDE the
cab.......

Phil
'72 F250 4X4, 429/C-6
== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 17:39:57 -0700
From: "J.S.H"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 72 4x4

>Hi all - just read my first digest and decided to introduce myself to
>the group.

Welcome aboard

>Did Ford produce these trucks with 4WD and
>automatic?

Not in 72.

>My truck uses the "mid-frame"
>mount for the t-case and I have three drive shafts.

That is a problem,I'm not sure if Ford ever made trucks with the
auto-divorced t-case combo.

>How was the t-case shifted?

The shifter attaches to the extension housing that marries the t-case to
the trans.Not sure if you could get a extension housing and marry your
current auto-205 combo.
We have to come up with something though.
Can't have the che*y boys seeing you laying under your truck along
side the road.
== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:34:42 -0500
From: Brett L Habben
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Flamin' QJets

Pat,
Classic example of Flamin' Qjets! That's why I hoarded the P*nti c
versions with the straight-in fuel connector instead of the 90 degree
inlet with that big questionable spun in plug. But even beyond that you
still end up epoxying the well plugs at the bottom of the main carb
body....
Cool story!
Brett
Super75cab
>My mom's '66 Imp l squirted out an external plug out one day.
>This was a large plug, right at the fuel inlet, about 1/2 to 3/4"
>diameter. My brother sacrificed his brand-new leather jacket, but
>got the fire out without too much damage. I got to rewire the
>engine compartment that weekend, along with new hoses.
>Pat Brown
>>Brett wrote:
>> If you scrounge up a used a Qjet, get a good Qjet book so you'll know
>> what to look for and how to set one up. Avoid the early ('65-68?)
ones
>>because they had a nasty habit of losing spun in plugs and sprouting a
>> leak.

___________________________________________________________________
Get the Internet just the way you want it.
Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month!
Try Juno Web: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.
== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 08:43:43 -0500
From: George Ramsower
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Mileage and Vacuum

Many years ago, I had a fan clutch fail. I bought one of those flex fans
to prevent that from ever happening again. I didn't keep it long though.
I had a highway patrolman pull me over once cause he thought he was
doing me a favor and letting me know I had my car in second gear. This
thing too, was VERY noisy. I trimmed the blades to make it quieter, but
still it was noisy, and I could tell it was dragging the engine down.
I've learned a lot since then, and now I know that the darned fan
doesn't do any good at road speeds anyway. So fan clutches are in, flex
fans are out. I read somewhere many moons ago that a standard fan,
without a clutch does draw about twenty horsepower, when at high speeds.
When I asked about how much vacuum ppl were reading, I wasn't thinking
of all the variables, if I had a higher gear(lower numerically) my
vacuum would be lower. I knew that, I think my brain slipped out of
gear. I have a 3.25 gear, and 31.00 back tires.
I did a sneaky to set the timing, I put a lawnmower type throttle
control under the dash, and connected the other end to the distributor
and adjusted the timing as I was cruizing down a level road with the
cruiz control in operation. It took several miles to find the highest
vacuum setting, cause as was said here, things affect it, and it does
move slowly to see any effects.
I can't get over 12mpg. I think I should be able to see 14 or 15. I
will have to start reading the darned plugs now to see what my trash-bin
carburator is doing. I think it might be too rich.
== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 19:51:45 -0500
From: "Bob & Becky Elliott"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Roadranger trans

Does anyone know where I can find some info about an RT610 Roadranger
transmission, that bolts up to a 1972 330ci trk engine? Thank you; Bob

== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:31:12 -0700
From: Mike Pacheco
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Roadranger trans

Wow, that sounds like a Eaton transmission, that's what truckers call
roadrangers??

Mike in Burien
== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 00:22:53 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Roadranger trans

In a message dated 10/29/99 10:58:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
elliott ptsi.net writes:

> Does anyone know where I can find some info about an RT610 Roadranger
> transmission, that bolts up to a 1972 330ci trk engine? Thank you; Bob
>
That would be a Fuller 10 spd Transmission right? I didn't realize that
they put that much tranny behind a 330. What kinda info are you looking for?

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (HELP!---I need 15 x5 factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flare Side
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hometown.aol.com/tbeeee
== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 21:55:21 -0800
From: "Mike Sealey"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - no fuel, interesting variation

On Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:01:59 William S. Hart wrote:

>Sounds like a great truck so far :) Might want to verify the 390 status as
>opposed to the 360 ...

A reddish-orange California emissions sticker on the drivers' side valve cover IDs it as a 390. Have not checked #s but it doesn't look like that cover has ever been pulled/replaced.

>Duraspark on that bad boy, or is it still a points truck ?

It's stashed at work right now until I can get it to pass smog, and I forgot to pull the cap today...

>I've not really played with the dual tank trucks (my sis and dad both have
>em, but not me) so I don't know how valid this is, but I almost wonder if
>your valve isn't causing problems ... either leaking a little from either
>side (hence you get a vacuum leak and suck air instead of fuel), or possibly
>not really locking to one side and drifting a bit ...
>
>I know how theirs work vaguely, but not sure on yours ...

Thanks for the help. I'll check that out.

Mike Sealey
'75 F-150, '99 Windstar (taxicab)
plus multiple non-FoMoCo vehicles


Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.angelfire.com
== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html....


To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts

Registration is free, easy and gives you access to more features.
If you are not registered, click here to register.
If you are already registered, you can login here.

If you are already logged in and are seeing this message, your web browser is blocking session cookies. Change your browser cookie settings to allow session cookies.




Advertising - Terms of Use - Privacy Policy - Jobs

This forum is owned and operated by Internet Brands, Inc., a Delaware corporation. It is not authorized or endorsed by the Ford Motor Company and is not affiliated with the Ford Motor Company or its related companies in any way. Ford is a registered trademark of the Ford Motor Company.