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61-79-list-digest Wednesday, October 27 1999 Volume 03 : Number 391



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Winter a-comin'
RE: FTE 61-79 - driving lights amperage
RE: FTE 61-79 - Finally! gaskets...
RE: FTE 61-79 - Tailgaters and false starts
Re: FTE 61-79 - Spicer is GM owned - or at least it used to
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tailgaters and false starts
RE: FTE 61-79 - Winter a-comin'
RE: FTE 61-79 - Crossover/Blackout/Hot 300s
RE: FTE 61-79 - driving lights amperage, inverse functions etc... ..
RE: FTE 61-79 - Tailgaters and false starts
Re: FTE 61-79 - 16" rims for 78 F250
RE: FTE 61-79 - Winter a-comin'
FTE 61-79 - Re: Winter a-comin' (traction)
RE: FTE 61-79 - Winter a-comin'
Re: FTE 61-79 - My dictionary is dog eared now !
FTE 61-79 - instrumentation
RE: FTE 61-79 - High Perf. 300 six
RE: FTE 61-79 - driving lights amperage
FTE 61-79 - driving lights amperage
FTE 61-79 - Winter a-comin'
FTE 61-79 - driving lights amperage
FTE 61-79 - Studies and semantics
RE: FTE 61-79 - driving lights amperage
Re: FTE 61-79 - Finally! gaskets...
FTE 61-79 - 300 I-6 vs. 460 build-ups?
Re: FTE 61-79 - driving lights amperage
RE: FTE 61-79 - Finally! gaskets...
RE: FTE 61-79 - 300 I-6 vs. 460 build-ups?
FTE 61-79 - Clutches and things.....
RE: FTE 61-79 - Winter a-comin'
RE: FTE 61-79 - driving lights amperage
RE: FTE 61-79 - driving lights amperage
RE: FTE 61-79 - 300 I-6 vs. 460 build-ups?
Re: FTE 61-79 - driving lights amperage
FTE 61-79 - driving lights amperage
RE: FTE 61-79 - Winter a-comin'
RE: FTE 61-79 - driving lights amperage
RE: FTE 61-79 - driving lights amperage
Re: FTE 61-79 - Gotta love it
RE: FTE 61-79 - driving lights amperage
FTE 61-79 - re: Winter a-comin'
FTE 61-79 - 56COE
FTE 61-79 - Re: I 300 introduction
FTE 61-79 - thanks for the 300 info
FTE 61-79 - Re: Hot 300's
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Hot 300's
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tailgaters and false starts
FTE 61-79 - 21st Century FE
FTE 61-79 - Re: Winter a-comin'

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 06:39:28 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Winter a-comin'

In a message dated 10/27/99 3:28:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
danger csolutions.net writes:

> > With ole-man-winter approaching(doesn't apply to southerners....lucky
> dogs),
> > anyone have some unique ideas for weighting down your truck bed for
> > traction

Whooped I-6's work well! (Gotcha Marino!)

Stock Man
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1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 07:26:13 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - driving lights amperage

Well, I never! I think this guy is picking on me???? The bottom line here,
Melvin, is that the wire has nothing to do with the switch burning out. A
bad contact, at the switch, could cause enough heat to damage the switch or
a bad switch or a load (gosh darn it there he goes again!) too great (too
high wattage rating of lights or a short) for the switch but the wires can
not be the problem.

Fortunately the rest of us don't have enough education to be mislead or
confused by this terminology, we read between the lines and try to get the
gist of the discussion and that's really all we need at this level :-)

If I say my barn is green and it's really white it's still a barn and if we
are talking about what barns are or how to build one the color is irrelevant
:-)

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> Yep, I'm getting too esoteric about a simple problem but I
> guess I will
> just have to whence & bear it when I hear those colloquial terms
> regarding electricity.
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 07:33:47 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Finally! gaskets...

Be very carefull about what you do to the intake ports! If you get them
larger or in any way to bypass the edge of the head port you will have
SERIOUS intake flow problems. It could even result in "Reversion". It is
MUCH better to leave the intake ports "smaller" than the head ports so there
is no chance of mismatch.

Make sure you have standard gaskets and not CJ gaskets too :-)

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> modifying the intake. I checked the intake ports on the
> manifold against the
> gasket and there is a significant difference, quite a bit
> more than there
> was on the heads. I don't think there's nearly enough metal
> to get the ports
> even close to the same size
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 07:58:29 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Tailgaters and false starts

Remember, "Road Rage" always works in reverse.......think about it :-) The
"Rager" always gets the ticket or gets shot, the "Ragee" always drives away
laughing. I personally gave it up for Lent as the Catholics say :-) It was
not, by any means, easily done though. I had to make some things I thought
were important, a lot less important to accomplish this feat :-)
Fortunately I have a job that allows me to be quite late with no penalties.
Not all have this luxury so you have to work a little harder to get going a
little sooner.......:-)

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> then you'll know why I ahve road rage every time Envy's tires hit the
> pavement LOL
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 08:24:40 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Spicer is GM owned - or at least it used to

In a message dated 10/27/99 12:23:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
grossens ucs.orst.edu writes:


not positive though, but i think thats why chevy uses Corporate axles >>

I was always under the impression that Dodge owned Dana. Dodge started the
4x4 movement way back in the 30's, got a jumpstart on everyone else. I guess
were SOL though, first post said GM, then Ford, now Dodge. I wonder if
anyone will suggest Toyota?

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 08:29:44 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tailgaters and false starts

I'll be the first to admit Im a rager. It REALLY sucked when I was a
delivery driver. Vegas is so full of people from LA its nuts. no where else
but here will someone do an awesome burnout to make a left in front of you,
when there is absolutely no traffic behind you. My cure was 2 things.
Therapy, which involoved 80 mph and dirt roads, and a promotion to Foreman
which keeps me off the road. I go to work at 6, come home at 6. Traffic is
moving at about 80, and the freeways are clear.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 08:35:50 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Winter a-comin'

One of the best winters I had with my 2wd was with it filled end to end with
cement (not cinder) blocks, one layer covering the whole bed floor. As you
say this is not the best due to inconvenient storage, time and work to load
it and unload it and if you haul anything with it you have to deal with a
lot of space used up and it's very inconvenient for hauling dirt this way
along with the problem of running into something bigger than you and having
the blocks come up front for a visit :-)

If you make a false bottom in the bed with about 1" of space and fill it
with mercury then.......:-) And if you design it with a window you could
even have a built in thermom.......Ok, maybe not but.....:-)

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> With ole-man-winter approaching(doesn't apply to
> southerners....lucky dogs),
> anyone have some unique ideas for weighting down your truck bed for
> traction? I have a few..
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 08:39:37 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Crossover/Blackout/Hot 300s

Most of these guys actually use the VIN to determine what it's supposed to
have so you can change out anything you like and they will just make you put
it back on. If they are inept and try to wing it without the VIN then maybe
some of these tricks would work......:-)

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> >i was also told the inspectors always look to see if the
> >gauge has "unleaded fuel"
> >if it doesn't it isn't required, if that is true, what keeps us from
> >installing early model instrument panels?
>
> How a bout popping the clear cover off the gauge cluster and getting a
> little flat black paint and .......
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 08:53:05 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - driving lights amperage, inverse functions etc... ..

Marvin said more than he should, you were right on IMNSHO :-) It is a fine
thing to try to help people understand things they are trying to solve but
the hocus pocus in that post did nothing for me and I'm sure it did not help
resolve the problem that was being discussed but it certainly made the
poster feel good about his education and accomplishments but is that what
the list is about?

If I say a wire is a hose and the bigger you make it the more electrical
water you can run through it does this really take anything away from
understaning the concept that larger wire can carry more Wattage or handle a
larger load? This is not an electrical engineering list, it's a shade tree
truck owners list. If I tell a guy to get bigger wires to get more juice at
the end I've covered his needs. He now knows that larger wire will allow
his lights to burn somewhat brighter and that's all he needs to know to
resolve his problem.

If I tell him his switch is defective do I need to know exactly what part of
it failed? If I tell him his wiring is not at fault do I also have to give
him a lesson on electrical engineering? Next we will be discussing "Inverse
Functions" I took that class 3 times and still can't see a single
application for inverse functions but they are used in electronics so I
guess we better get them into the mix too, eh?

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> confidence and understanding will improve. Probably said
> more than I should
> and sounds like you came to the same conclusion. Hope to
> read more posts
> from you.
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:02:54 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Tailgaters and false starts

My wife busted the rocker on the right side taking a corner a tad to tight
at the carry out and when I got out of the car at a store one day I noticed
it and said "Will you look at that! How did that happen?!) She said "Well,
I'll be! Where did that come from?"

It was her car so I guess she can cover it up if she wants. She can't get
in the bronco and if she did she couldn't reach the clutch even with the
seat all the way up and would never get it into gear since there are no
syncros so my bronco is safe :-)

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> I had to ban the wife from driving my '79 Bronco. Something
> about clipping a
> (fast moving) fire hydrant with the left front while trying
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 06:11:22 -0700
From: Don79XLT
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 16" rims for 78 F250

The 78 F250 4x4 has the double piston calipers.
Don


>My understanding is that the Ford 16x6's should work fine for you. Somewhere
>in the early 80's?? they started putting double piston calipers on the front
>of the F-250's.
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 08:26:50 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Winter a-comin'

I did that one year thinking I could use the salt in the softener later but
guess what happens when you actually use the truck for a truck......you get
little holes in the bags and then guess what happens when it
rains........:-(

Ashes are probably better that salt since they actually do melt the snow and
ice due to basic content but they also act as a tractive surface as well.
Salt has the opposit effect in that it melts the snow and ice only to create
a very greasy surface? Course ashes leave a mess when you do get out......

I've thought about this for many years and still have not come up with
anything really easy to do that is also effective and easy to store in the
summer. One thing I have learned though with 2wd trucks is to load the tail
with a small amount of weight like 200-300# right against the tail gate and
this re-distrubutes the weight of the truck so the rear gets better traction
and lightens the front so it has less impact on your total resistance to
rolling etc..

In the bronco I find I don't need anything, it handles well unloaded but it
has other quirks you have to be careful of like short wheel base. On the
one hand this helps weight distribution but also heightens or exacerbates
any steering corrections you make.

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> I've used bags of rock salt. If you get stuck on ice
> during the winter,
> just sprinkle some salt around the tire.
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:26:28 -0400
From: "Don Haring, Jr."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Winter a-comin' (traction)

Greg Sage said:
> With ole-man-winter approaching(doesn't apply to southerners....
> lucky dogs), anyone have some unique ideas for weighting down your
> truck bed for traction? I have a few..
> - - hay bails(take up too much room)
> - - sidewalk blocks(I can see in an accident they would be flying
> through your back window)
> - - sand bags(need about 20 3lbs to get any decent weight)
> - - inner-tube full of sand(great! but how the heck do you lift it
> up in your truck being 200lbs without a hernia)


My dad's truck while I was growing up was a 1977 F-150[*]. Gorgeous black
on red with white steel rims, and still gorgeous on the day he traded it in
for a new 1991 Ranger. I wish I had that '77 now. Anyway, he made a wood
frame that rode in the back of the bed, behind the wheelwells, that held
concrete sidewalk plates. I think it held 3 plates, and I don't know how
much weight that equals, but it was enough to notice a remarkable
difference in the way the truck handled. We also had a long tube sandbag
that we could throw in when weather was really rough. The bag wasn't a
standard bag, but was about 2 feet long and 8 inches in diameter, and made
of a plastic-type material. No, the plates never shifted or flew through
the back window. :)

I'd stick with a solution that is modular (plates, sandbags). That way you
can handle it yourself.


[*] This brings up a question in my mind ... was the truck an F-150, or
F-100? When did F-150s come into the line-up, and were the two offered in
the same years? I'm admittedly ignorant about this, and I can't remember
what badges it had. Although I do remember it had "custom" badges. It was a
1977, 2-wheel-drive/auto, with a 300 engine. I know you guys will be able
to answer this question, and not razz me for such a simple question that I
should probably know. :)

Thanks,
don

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 08:44:30 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Winter a-comin'

> - hay bails(take up too much room)
> - sidewalk blocks(I can see in an accident they would be flying
> through your
> back window)
> - sand bags(need about 20 3lbs to get any decent weight)
> - inner-tube full of sand(great! but how the heck do you lift it
> up in your
> truck being 200lbs without a hernia)

I've seen almost all of these done (the inner tube is a new one) ... but the
sand bags we buy out here are 70# not 3#'s ... they're specifically for
traction, but like the salt someone mentioned earlier they do eventually get
holes and leak (then they work great for cleaning up oil spills :) usually
what people do around here is build a "truss" sort of deal to hold the sand
bags right between the wheels ... put a 2x4 in front of the wheel well, and
another behind it, then nail 2 more in to create a box in the center ... put
3-5 70lb tubes of sand in and presto, no traction problems ...


Another idea that is common is to wait for the snow, then shovel that into
the back of the truck ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 06:46:40 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - My dictionary is dog eared now !

Thanks for your message at 02:02 AM 10/27/99 -0400, pdesanto Cinergy.com.
Your message was:
>
>
>
>> The term 'amperage' is a hojo term..
>> 'Amps'...another hojo term.
>> A Coulomb is a quantity of electron......
>> One volt is one Joule per Coulomb.........
>> Another hojo term: 'condenser' .........
>> A term bordering on hojo, but I usually let it pass is
>> 'Voltage'................
>>
>> Us Engineers call it the Transfer Function of a system... >>

We English teachers use the nominative case of a pronoun as the subject...


>> Yep, I'm getting too esoteric about a simple problem but I guess I will
>> just have to whence & bear it when I hear those colloquial terms

I love the irony here...


>> regarding electricity.
>>
> Wow, never heard it put quite like that before. And to think I was gonna
>razz Dennis for using the word "oxymoron" ! Hey John...I'll bet ya get
>those light wired up now. :-)
>
Thanks for the opportunity to get that out of my system...

I understand just from where you are coming...



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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 08:34:26 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - instrumentation

>>..Jeff G writes: >> i was also told the inspectors always look to see if the
gauge has "unleaded
fuel"
if it doesn't it isn't required, if that is true, what keeps us from
installing early model
instrument panels?

If that is really the case, then you just solved a lot of emissions problems
for
a lot of Old Ford Truck Owners...
The '73 thru '79 will interchange as long as you replace instruments with
instruments and idiot lights with idiot lights...
Look out salvage yards....... Here they come...

Azie,
Don't forget to scrape off the gas door decals!!

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 08:58:11 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - High Perf. 300 six

> pistons, I was told these pistons were a high quality cast piston with a
> very low ratio of expansion.

Just be sure and stay away from the pinging, that can destroy these new
hypereutectic's pretty quick in high perf applications (ie Blower etc in no
time, but I've been lucky with my 390)

> So how
> do you think its going to run? It sounds strong but then I'm
> biased.


hahahaha....yeah we're all biased towards our own engines ... yours sounds
pretty good for a 300 ;) Sounds like a high revv'er too (for a 300 :)

Good luck with it, and keep us informed as to how its doing when you get it.

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 07:02:44 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - driving lights amperage

Thanks for your message at 07:26 AM 10/27/99 -0400, Peters, Gary (G.R.).
Your message was:
>
>If I say my barn is green and it's really white it's still a barn and if we
>are talking about what barns are or how to build one the color is irrelevant
>:-)
And I love a good analogy...

I say that all this discussion about terminology and semantics is
refreshing. It shows that this group is multi-dimensional and has an
intellectual depth not generally attributed to the stereotypical "Ford
Truck guy."
Keep it up. It adds a critical thinking component to the group. It
improves the content...

I've been wanting to do a study of "grill designs" of trucks of the '50's
and '60's, such as how they reflect the sexual mores and fixations of their
times...Take a good look at a 1954 Mercury front end and see if you can see
any similarities to female anatomy. Now take a look at a 1954 Ford Truck
grill...Well, it's just an idea...
I think my 1962 truck reflects the relatively simple-minded sexual
attitudes of 1962. My 1966 grill, on the other hand shows much sexual
confusion...

Check it out...



Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 08:56:22 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - driving lights amperage

>>The
lights are the load and should be the only consideration in determining the
wire size and switch rating as well as the fuse which is probably a 60 amp
job that runs the whole ACC circuit.

I've never seen anything bigger than 30 amps in an automotive circuit, but
anyway, I always install a separate in line fuse on any after market
equipment. Of course the in line is always smaller than any OEM fuse that I
might be feeding through. I never ever run unfused circuits and try my
darndest not to run an inapproppriately large fuse. The 20 amp switch that
melted had the same rating as the switch that came with the lights. It had
been physically broken in the box. My friend did tell me that those lights
sat on his bumper but he never turned them on. Hmmm.... He had a Ch v#.
Hmmm.....

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:07:26 -0700
From: "O'Connor"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Winter a-comin'

Greg,
When I had my 79 F100 2wd, I built a 2" x 8" frame for in the bed. With it
I used cement blocks. The frame held the bocks directly over the back
wheels. On top of that, I placed a sheet of plywood. The plywood keeps
the blocks in place in case of a collision. It also provides a raised
floor so that you can still use the bed for hauling. A friend of mine had a
sheet of steel plate cut to fit the back. Except for getting it in, you
hardly knew it was there. Good luck.

Tim 66F100 SWB Custom Cab w/Origainal P/S and O/D
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:13:44 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - driving lights amperage

>>The term 'amperage' is a hojo term...use the term 'current' or
'electrical current'
Electrical current I = Coulombs/Second in units 'Amperes' not
'Amps'...another hojo term.
A Coulomb is a quantity of electron...6.24x10^18 electrons (ten to the
eighteenth power)
One volt is one Joule per Coulomb...a Joule, in this case, a unit of
potential energy.

OK, Gary, I'll launch from the south, you launch from the north. T minus 10,
9, 8, 7, .....

Yeah, yeah, I went to engineering school, too Melvin, probably before you
were born. We learned voltage as electromotive force or EMF, a DC circuit
has negligible reactance, that's mostly AC stuff and I can do the sum of
inverses correctly. Your points are well taken and accurate.

What's hojo?

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:16:08 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Studies and semantics

> And I love a good analogy...

> I've been wanting to do a study of "grill designs" of trucks of the '50's
> and '60's, such as how they reflect the sexual mores and
> fixations of their
> times...Take a good look at a 1954 Mercury front end and see if
> you can see
> any similarities to female anatomy. Now take a look at a 1954 Ford Truck
> grill...Well, it's just an idea...
> I think my 1962 truck reflects the relatively simple-minded sexual
> attitudes of 1962. My 1966 grill, on the other hand shows much sexual
> confusion...


You love a good analogy and want to do a study like this ?

I think the shirt I saw the other day is comin all too close to home now ...

"If it has a skirt or wheels, you can't afford it"

We won't even go near the other similarities...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:31:49 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - driving lights amperage

> What's hojo?
>

I think it is in its own definition as a hojo term ;)

As for the engineering side, we are all engineers in some respects, and I
don't care what discipline you've studied in, they all use different terms
for things ... in an Electrical Applications class I took, he always used R
for resistance, but the other people in the class were taking a EE class the
same time and they were using Z ...

My point ? There's always going to be more than one way to define a
variable, so who cares if I call it an Amp, Ampere, or Bob, as long as we
all know what I'm talking about ...


Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 07:41:41 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Finally! gaskets...

CJ gaskets for a 400?

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Peters, Gary (G.R.)
To:
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 4:33 AM
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Finally! gaskets...


> Be very carefull about what you do to the intake ports! If you get them
> larger or in any way to bypass the edge of the head port you will have
> SERIOUS intake flow problems. It could even result in "Reversion". It is
> MUCH better to leave the intake ports "smaller" than the head ports so
there
> is no chance of mismatch.
>
> Make sure you have standard gaskets and not CJ gaskets too :-)
>



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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:45:52 -0400
From: frenz.6 osu.edu (Dale Frenz)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 300 I-6 vs. 460 build-ups?

Like several of you, I kinda like the idea of building up a 300 I-6
for my truck. I'd be cool to have a 300 grunt motor. Then I have a second
more rational thought... it's gonna cost me a small fortune to buy all the
kick-ass power making goodies for a 300 when I can get way more power out
of even a 460 with asthma. What is a boy to do in a case like that? (I have
both a 460 and a 300 waiting in the bullpen right now.) Wow a baseball
reference and I dont even watch it. I'm primarily looking to build a
strong, strong tow motor.
Let me know your honest O-pin-ionz'.

Thanks,

Dale
Ruby '79 F-150 S/C 4x4
"UnNamed Baby" '00 F-250SD "dee-zil" S/C 4x4


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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:50:42 -0500
From: "Norm"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - driving lights amperage

> My point ? There's always going to be more than one way to define a
> variable, so who cares if I call it an Amp, Ampere, or Bob, as long as we
> all know what I'm talking about ...
> Just my $.02
> wish

LOL no engineer here...my deffinition of electrical terms is this! :-)

Amp......How bad it hurts when ya grab hold and are a good ground! (this
defines the amount of Amps)

Volts.....Defines the type of power I am getting hurt with!

Resistance.....How hot the wire is to the touch when grabbed!

This is all I know or care ta know about electricity in short!

Cept big wires equal less heat.....relays are a must......fuses and breakers
are cool.....and if ya don't have enough juice...things don't work well!
:-)


Norm




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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:55:38 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Finally! gaskets...

Here we go again, picking on my lack of education........:-) If you make
the hose bigger............:-)

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> CJ gaskets for a 400?
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:56:55 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 300 I-6 vs. 460 build-ups?

>(I have
> both a 460 and a 300 waiting in the bullpen right now.) Wow a baseball
> reference and I dont even watch it. I'm primarily looking to build a
> strong, strong tow motor.
> Let me know your honest O-pin-ionz'.
>

What do you have in the truck now ? If you have a 351M or 400, then the
swap to a 460 wouldn't be too bad (other than motor mounts and accessories),
if you have a 300 now, then it would be just a drop in deal and no problem
at all ...

That's how I'd look at it, but then I started with a 360, so a 390 was no
problem :)

Just my $.02
wish

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:15:58 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Clutches and things.....

I went to adjust my clutch this weekend and it was all the way to the end
but the bell crank was a tad loose.......very loose, which I already knew
but was too lazy to fix it. I finally got up the ambition to fix it when
the pedal would not come back on it's own. Took the frame bracket off and
engine bracket too and took a look inside the tube of the bell crank to
discover that one bushing was intact but not on the pin and the other one
was toast but still retained. The hole the actuator rod (is this correct
nomenclature?) rod fits in was so bell mouthed and elongated it was almost
all the way through.

I welded up the hole and re-drilled it to fit the rod, went to Lowe's and
got the retainer rings (they carry a full compliment of them if anyone needs
them) and lucked out on a nylon bushing as well (or is that polymer
based----------&*&^^% solid, semi-stationary bearing?) and the OD was
perfect but had to drill the hole out to 5/8" to fit the pin. Stuck a
little grease (petroleum based--------&^*(%$$*& lubricant) in there and
slapped it all together and not only gained some adjustment back along with
a better feeling clutch movement but it eliminated a great deal of the
chatter I was getting. It still chatters sometimes but this clutch is not
adequte for the application so I expect that (slips at WOT in third gear
when the engine comes into it's power band). Boy! Do I miss my original
clutch pressure plate....er, semi solid, spring loaded, cast iron friction
inducing assembly :-)

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 16:27:52 +0000 (GMT)
From: David Henderson
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Winter a-comin'

On 10/27/99, 7:26:50 AM, "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" =20
wrote regarding RE: FTE 61-79 - Winter a-comin':

> I've thought about this for many years and still have not come up with=

> anything really easy to do that is also effective and easy to store in=
=20
the
> summer. One thing I have learned though with 2wd trucks is to load=20
the tail
> with a small amount of weight like 200-300# right against the tail=20
gate and
> this re-distributes the weight of the truck so the rear gets better=20
traction
> and lightens the front so it has less impact on your total resistance =

to
> rolling etc..

Gary:

When I first moved to South Dakota, I had a '85 F-250 longbed=20
supercab. This truck had a 460, 750 Holley 4v, and 4 spd manual with=20
overdrive. Great truck for hauling stuff and going on trips (would=20
get 16-18 mpg on the highway, but only 6-8 mpg in town). This truck=20
was a 2wd. The first winter, I loaded up the back with about 500-600#=20
concrete from a sidewalk that was being torn up on campus (SDSU, had=20
their front end loader just drop it into the bed). This gave me great=20
traction (even though I had 16.5/33/12.50 BF Goodrich ATs on the=20
truck) with one exception. I enjoy deer hunting and when I would go=20
to the public hunting land North of Brookings, every time some one had=20
pulled off to the side of the road to get out, my front tires would=20
catch their ruts and throw the truck into the ditch, nose first. I=20
got stuck six times in one day because of this. That next summer, I=20
traded the truck in for a 4wd. Now, I wish I still had that truck for=20
trips, but I've been traumatized to where I'll never own another 2wd=20
truck again (even if I move back home to South Texas)!! It's just=20
better to leave that 2wd truck at home when it snows and get yourself=20
a drivable 4wd. Just my opinion.

Also, my 1979 F-250 has the dual piston front calipers, as did my 1985=20
F-250.

Dave H

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:54:02 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - driving lights amperage

Who's points, mine or his? Well taken? In what context? I think HoJo has
roots in a slang, derogatory word used in ethnic jokes......

I'm sorry, I just don't think this kind of response to people's posts is
really called for. I'm not upset because he chose my post to lay it on
either. I don't really care what people think of my education or speaking
ability, it serves me quite well thank you very much but this sort of thing
does not improve the technical education aspects of the list because very
few on this list could give an overly ripe apple about Jouls and Columbos.

If you want to present the information, to enlighten the list and broaden
their understanding which is a highly commendable goal then present it in a
positive way, not as a means to ridicule other's efforts to resolve problems
for their friends, especially when all the necessary parts were there to
begin with to fulfill the needs of the question. Read Proverbs 16:18,19
some time for more on this issue :-)

I can remember many times laughing at a comment my daughter made because, at
my level of understanding, it was, indeed, funny but it made her cry because
she felt I was putting her down and I had to go to a lot of trouble to
straighten it out. After several of these episodes I eventually learned not
to be so quick to let my own feelings out immediately, for her sake.

Again, if this were a list composed of well educated engineers, all having
an interest in the technical, scientific aspects of this subject then
Melvin's response may have been warranted but not in this arena, not IMNSHO
:-(

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> inverses correctly. Your points are well taken and accurate.
>
> What's hojo?
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:58:04 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - driving lights amperage

Me either till I melted the fuse block in my 94 bird. It has several 60
ampers in there :-)

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> I've never seen anything bigger than 30 amps in an automotive
> circuit, but
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:09:15 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 300 I-6 vs. 460 build-ups?

There is absolutely no comparison between a 460 and 300, I-6, not even close
so if raw power is what you want the 460 is the only way to fly but if you
are looking for an economical, low rpm grunt motor to pull an occasional
load the 6 will do just fine.

I used to haul over 4k# of horses and trailer around with a 70 Montego with
250-6 at 80 mph on the eway and never had a bit of trouble. The one place I
noticed a little problem was in backing the trailer with a street format
three on the tree tranny and this small engine. Reverse was way too tall
for this so I had to slip the clutch a lot.

This same trailer, loaded with two horses and two more in the back of the
bed of the truck used to pick the front end of my 67 F-100 (which I traded
the Montego for) right off the ground and I couldn't get over 45 mph on the
road with this rig, loaded that way. The 352 had plenty of power but I
couldn't steer it :-)

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> that? (I have
> both a 460 and a 300 waiting in the bullpen right now.) Wow a baseball
> reference and I dont even watch it. I'm primarily looking to build a
> strong, strong tow motor.
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:00:20 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - driving lights amperage

HoJo was always short for Howard Johnson (restaurant/motel) but that was
probably regional. Could you be thinking of mojo as in bad mojo which I
believe was a colloquialism referring to voo doo magic/religion?

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Peters, Gary (G.R.)
To:
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 7:54 AM
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - driving lights amperage


> Who's points, mine or his? Well taken? In what context? I think HoJo
has
> roots in a slang, derogatory word used in ethnic jokes......



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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:00:18 -0700
From: "Jeff Hannon"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - driving lights amperage

> > The term 'amperage' is a hojo term..
> > 'Amps'...another hojo term.
> > A Coulomb is a quantity of electron......
> > One volt is one Joule per Coulomb.........
> > Another hojo term: 'condenser' .........
> > A term bordering on hojo, but I usually let it pass is
> > 'Voltage'................
>

Can someone define the term 'hojo'? Didn't ever come across
that one in any of my EE books. :-)

Wow! I've been out of college for 10 years and thats the first
time that I've heard "Electrical Potential" since my professors
made me use it. It's certainly correct but it isn't used a hell
of a lot.

"Us Engineers" around here design "chips", err, I mean "Integrated
Circuits" and use the terms Volts, Voltage, Amps, and cap (for
capacitor) all the time. I think I would get some strange looks
if I used the phrase "Electrical Potential" in a conversation.
Open up any trade journal and you'd be hard pressed to find
anything BUT colloquial terminology.

I wouldn't get to hung up on the terms. I just know that when
talking automotive electronics that a "condenser" is a cap, a
"coil" is a big inductor and a "fusable link" is just a wire
that burns up before the rest of them do!


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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:14:53 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Winter a-comin'

TOTALLY AGREEEEEEEEE! :-) I wanted one so bad I made one from a van with
junk parts I got cheap. Spent 3 months designing and thinking about it and
building it and it was a real treat to drive in the snow. Had a little 65
Scout before that and got the bug. That little devil with bald tires, 4.88
gears and 15" stroke 4 cyl engine would go anywhere, relatively speaking at
least :-) When I gave it up for financial reasons I cried myself to sleep
every night, wishing for another one.....then the van......now the bronco
with the same withdrawal between each one. I will never give up my bronco,
ever :-) Quite honestly, I would really like to have my van back.....:-(
It had "Soul" :-) In fact, even though it's not a Ford the Scout had a lot
of soul too :-) It was a......Cute truck :-) Next to an early Bob Tail I
would have another one in a heartbeat :-)

I have a 2wd 78 also so I get to have both but I wish it was a 350 instead
of a 150 :-( It'll haul 2 tons but the tires really, really, really don't
like it very much :-(

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> trips, but I've been traumatized to where I'll never own another 2wd
> truck again (even if I move back home to South Texas)!! It's just
> better to leave that 2wd truck at home when it snows and get yourself
> a drivable 4wd. Just my opinion.
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:15:11 CDT
From: "gene baker"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - driving lights amperage

Ahh he'll get over it.

Oh, by the way one of the colloquial terms is spelled WINCE and not WHENCE


>From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>To: "'61-79-list ford-trucks.com'"
>Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - driving lights amperage
>Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 07:26:13 -0400
>
>Well, I never! I think this guy is picking on me???? The bottom line
>here,
>Melvin, is that the wire has nothing to do with the switch burning out. A
>bad contact, at the switch, could cause enough heat to damage the switch or
>a bad switch or a load (gosh darn it there he goes again!) too great (too
>high wattage rating of lights or a short) for the switch but the wires can
>not be the problem.
>
>Fortunately the rest of us don't have enough education to be mislead or
>confused by this terminology, we read between the lines and try to get the
>gist of the discussion and that's really all we need at this level :-)
>
>If I say my barn is green and it's really white it's still a barn and if we
>are talking about what barns are or how to build one the color is
>irrelevant
>:-)
>
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>
> > Yep, I'm getting too esoteric about a simple problem but I
> > guess I will
> > just have to whence & bear it when I hear those colloquial terms
> > regarding electricity.
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:31:30 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - driving lights amperage

Are we talking Electrical science or just "Science" or just "Physics"? In
electrical terms, Voltage "Is" potential or pressure or stored energy. I've
heard them used interchangeably by many well educated people including
teachers and the term "Electrical Potential" is actually the definition of
"Voltage" not a distinctly separate thing??? (as long as we are on the
subject :-))

This is the problem with broaching such a subject, especially in a negative
tone. None of this matters a hoot in hollerville as long as we get the
point across well enough for the uneducated shade tree, Amhaarets to
understand what to do to fix it! (understand that this last came from a much
higher social plane than my own, I too am in the Amhaarets class, happily so
:-))

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> capacitor) all the time. I think I would get some strange looks
> if I used the phrase "Electrical Potential" in a conversation.
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:39:04 CDT
From: "gene baker"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Gotta love it

Just thought everyone on the list might enjoy some PC humor.



Tech Support Request
Last year I upgraded Girlfriend 1.0 to Wife 1.0 and noticed that the new
program began unexpected child processing that took up a lot of space and
valuable resources. No mention of this phenomenon was included in the
product brochure. In addition, Wife 1.0 installs itself into all other
programs and launches during system initialization where it monitors all
other system activity. Applications such as Pokernight 10.3 and Beerbash 2.5
no longer run, crashing the system whenever selected. I can not seem to
purge Wife 1.0 from my system. I am thinking about going back to Girlfriend
1.0 but un-install does not work on this program. Can you help me?

- - Jonathan Powell

Dear Jonathan Powell- This is a very common problem men complain about but
is mostly due to a primary misconception. Many people upgrade from
Girlfriend 1.0 to Wife 1.0 with the idea that Wife 1.0 is merely a
"UTILITIES & ENTERTAINMENT" program.

Wife 1.0 is an OPERATING SYSTEM and designed by its creator to run
everything. WARNING DO NOT TRY TO: un-install, delete, or purge the program
from the system once installed. Trying to un-install Wife 1.0 can be
disasterious. Doing so may destroy your hard and/or floppy drive. Trying to
un-install or remove Wife 1.0 will destroy valuable system resources. You
can not go back to Girlfriend 1.0 because Wife 1.0 is not designed to do
this. Some have tried to install Girlfriend 2.0 or Wife 2.0 but end up with
more problems than the original system. Look in your manual under Warnings-
Alimony/Child Support. Others have tried to run Girlfriend 1.0 in the
background, while Wife 1.0 is running. Eventually Wife 1.0 detects
Girlfriend 1.0 and a system conflict occurs, this can lead to a non-
recoverable system crash. Some users have tried to download simular products
such as Fling and 1NiteStand. Often their systems have become infected with
a virus. I recommend you keep Wife 1.0 and just deal with the situation.

Having Wife 1.0 installed myself, I might also suggest you read the entire
section regarding General Protection Faults (GPFs). You must assume all
responsibility for faults and problems that might occur. The best course of
action will be to push apologize button then reset button as soon as lock-up
occurs. System will run smooth as long as you take the blame for all GPFs.
Wife 1.0 is a great program but is very high maintenance.

Suggestions for improved operation of Wife 1.0

Monthly use utilities such as TLC and FTD
Frequently use Communicator 5.0

- -Tech Support






THANKS,
GENE BAKER
Technical Support Engineer
Compucom-Dallas
bakergene hotmail.com


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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:16:50 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - driving lights amperage

> Me either till I melted the fuse block in my 94 bird. It has several 60
> ampers in there :-)
>

That must've been the external one fuse block they keep under the hood ... I
had to play in there for my power seat ... funny I blew the fuse, put in a
new switch, new motor and a 20amp instead of a 30 amp fuse, and I haven't
had any problems for over a year now ...

I think most of the time when they go for 60amps + they use a relay that
will reset itself 'cause usually only important things are running that many
amps ... things like headlights and a/c motors and stuff ;)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:44:00 -0500
From: "Jeffery Hansen"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - re: Winter a-comin'

What I did last winter here in Chicago was: dug out the truck; dug out the
wifes 98 Windstar; threw all the snow in the bed of The Muny Pit. (actually
saved the last of it to leave in - there were a few days I took 5-6 truck
loads outta our meager parking spots and hauled it down the street to the
softball field) As the snow melted off the streets, highways, byways, and
the straightened Taledega Superspeedway they call I-94, it also melted in
back of the old truck. Snowed more - needed more - tossed more in. Had it
piled over the roof line there for a few days.
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 13:06:27 -0400
From: "Gary L. Perry"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 56COE

First, yes the HD359 is listed in parts books, even tho I never
heard of it before either.It was a rebuild from BIG dealer out west
(forget name) that rebuilds for U-haul and has a great nameplate
they attach to eng. with date of rebuild and part number. It's
written in Ford script, just like the Ford Oval.
Second. The distributer has a vacumm line to advance from the
carb base seperately from the two lines for the governor. The
throttle link is held open instead of closed by spring and has no
mechanical connection to pedal until you put return spring on.
It's a weird set-up! Why do I always get the weird stuff?
Does anyone know if all the front parts from a p-up FE engine
will bolt on to my HD eng so I can have smaller water pump,
only one thermostat, and smaller rad. hoses? Thermo. fitting
looks like it goes in block same, but the bypass lines off
w/pump are 1" or so, lot's bigger. I have big two thermostat
housing which is large and takes lots of space in cramped
compartment. Fan is bigger bolt pattern on pump and sticks
out farther. May have trouble clearing rad.Any ideas?
Shoulda put a C***y in it! HA!
"G"

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 13:36:35 CDT
From: "martin steiner"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: I 300 introduction

ford liked to put new engines in halfway through the model year my 631/2
fairlane has a 64 mustang 200 in it right from the factory i bet this is
the case with these trucks to:)

Martin "Stampede" Steiner

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 13:47:16 CDT
From: "martin steiner"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - thanks for the 300 info

darrell you sound like my kind of motor head:) this sounds like what i
want were did you get the pistons? was it from clifford i have heard of
them but were do i get their address brett john and geffrey thanks for your
help too:) jeff do you like the offenhauser intake i was planning on using
it i am putting a b m built c-6 behind mine to get rid of the 3 speed with
a magashifter it will be sweat maybe that will work for you too thanks
again and keep me posted i will do the same

Martin "Stampede" Steiner

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:50:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: "J. Allison"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Hot 300's

Carefull! You don't wanna give Tony Marino any more
ideas!!! :)


> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 18:22:19 -0700
> From: "J.S.H"
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Hot 300s

> All this talk about 300 sixes reminded me of a
> dragster I saw at
> Sacramento Raceway years ago.2 300 sixes bolted
> together, Hilborn
> injectors,on nitro,four 3 into 1 open headers.
> Never heard anything before or since that like
> sounded quite like that!!

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 15:19:35 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Hot 300's

There are two people at Milan dragway who have small modified roadsters with
300's in them. One has 3 Webbers and the other has 3 Holley 2300's and now
one of them built a new one with a 4v on it that looks like an old
duecenburg. The first two ran in the mid 9's and the last one runs about 13
in brackets :-)

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> Carefull! You don't wanna give Tony Marino any more
> ideas!!! :)
>
> > dragster I saw at
> > Sacramento Raceway years ago.2 300 sixes bolted
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 15:29:32 EDT
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tailgaters and false starts

In a message dated 10/27/1999 12:33:32 PM !!!First Boot!!!,....


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