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61-79-list-digest Monday, October 25 1999 Volume 03 : Number 387



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In this issue:

RE: FTE 61-79 - motor knock
RE: FTE 61-79 - 66 Wipers- Tire Size
RE: FTE 61-79 - motor knock
FTE 61-79 - 66 Wipers- Tire Size
RE: FTE 61-79 - 89 cara*n and 77 F150 head to head
RE: FTE 61-79 - Low Mileage 390?
FTE 61-79 - I'm not too old to do dumb things!
RE: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79-list RE: I dunno (292 acceleration)
FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE Perf - 89 cara*n and 77 F150 head to head
FTE 61-79 - RE: questions 300 6 cyl. swap
RE: FTE 61-79 - I'm not too old to do dumb things!
Re: FTE 61-79 - 66 Wipers
FTE 61-79 - 1974 Ford Pickup
RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: questions 300 6 cyl. swap
Re: FTE 61-79 - 66 Wipers
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1974 Ford Pickup
FTE 61-79 - a built 300?
FTE 61-79 - F-600
FTE 61-79 - Deacon is HOME
Re: FTE 61-79 - It's good to touch the green green grass of home!
FTE 61-79 - 16" rims for 78 F250
Re: FTE 61-79 - F-600
Re: FTE 61-79 - I'm not too old to do dumb things!
FTE 61-79 - emissions
FTE 61-79 - Pitman arm for PS conv.
Re: FTE 61-79 - a built 300?
FTE 61-79 - WHAT IN THE WORLD WAS THAT?
Re: FTE 61-79 - emissions
RE: FTE 61-79 - WHAT IN THE WORLD WAS THAT?
RE: FTE 61-79 - motor knock
Re: FTE 61-79 - emissions
FTE 61-79 - driving lights amperage
FTE 61-79 - 64 F100 gas filler
RE: FTE 61-79 - motor knock
RE: FTE 61-79 - 64 F100 gas filler
RE: FTE 61-79 - driving lights amperage
Re: FTE 61-79 - motor knock
Re: FTE 61-79 - F-600
RE: FTE 61-79 - driving lights amperage
Re: FTE 61-79 -1964 F-600
Re: FTE 61-79 - I'm not too old to do dumb things!
Re: FTE 61-79 - WHAT IN THE WORLD WAS THAT?
Re: FTE 61-79 - a built 300?
Re: FTE 61-79 - emissions
FTE 61-79 - Almost lost my '68 F100
Re: FTE 61-79 - emissions

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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 07:21:17 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - motor knock

If the engine is knocking from lack of oil as in the case of a starved pump
with clogged screen then you already have sufficient damage to warrant
tearing it down. If the knock is due to worn bearings which are getting
plenty of oil then you may have less damage and a simple "Overhaul" would
suffice, that is simply replacing the bearings but this depends on the
condition of the crank. I've gained another 50k miles from engines this way
and the 351w actually did starve, actually ran out of oil, but the crank was
still usable with a little polishing. If starvation is actually the culprit
and knocking occurs every time you start it up then it should self destruct
within a few miles. Since this apparently has not happened I would venture
to guess you have worn bearings which are getting an adequate supply of oil.

Cavitated bearings absolutely will not survive more than a few seconds and
once the soft material is torn out by the dry crank you have a serious
clearance problem and I would suspect that no oil pressure is going to build
up even when cold in that case. If the screen is just clogged enough to
reduce the flow so that you get an occasional metal to metal contact the
zink in the oil may save you for a short while but eventually the bearings
are going to be toast and you will be throwing a rod.

In either case you need to take the pan off and look :-)

Rod knock and tappet knock and spark knock are all easily separated by the
sound:

1..Spark knock is very high frequency, tinny in sound and not always very
loud
2..Tappets are like two hammers tapping together, low frequency and loud
generally
3..Rods are very dull like thumping a wooden dowel against the side of a
full plastic pail, not very loud at idle but can be at speed or under load
and are also low frequency, once per revolution of the crank/per rod that is
knocking. Usually only one rod will knock initially and then more will
chime in as the conditions worsen.

Low oil pressure will usually show up as tappet rattle, then rod bearing
cavitation, then continuous knock as pressure and flow drop off. If you
already have noisy lifters you may not have any warning when starvation
begins as the 351w did in my case, it was sudden and instant death, no
warning but when the bearings actually began to cavitate, I knew instantly
and shut it off, too late of course :-(

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> Yeah, but would that cause the Knocking noise? Could the
> Motor already be
> screwed? I don' really want to invest in another motor....
> Could it just be
> the bearings are gone?
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 08:16:11 -0400
From: "David J. Turner"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 66 Wipers- Tire Size

Tim, Thanks for your help.
The 12 1/4" long arm (C3TZ-17545-A) is the one stamped #508, according to
my parts catalog. The #440 is part no. C1TB-17540-A, (12 1/2" long). I
don't have a shop manual. (Does anyone know a source for a 66 shop manual?)
Where did you find a truck of this age with original power steering? How
many were manufactured?
As for the tires: I have been considering 235/75's, but also 235/70's to
get lower for better control. Is there a aftermarket stabilizer I could
install for better stability on curves? Is your speedo accurate?


Dave Turner
66 F1 Shortbed Auto - Stock

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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 08:29:55 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - motor knock

> Yeah, but would that cause the Knocking noise? Could the Motor
> already be
> screwed? I don' really want to invest in another motor....
> Could it just be
> the bearings are gone? or the tappits, or cam are making a noise? I also
> have a theory that the arm that runs from the cam to the pump could be
> hitting on the side of the engine? but I don't know. I guess
> the only way
> to find out is to tear it down. Thanks for the help guys!

As someone said, it depends on the knocking noise ... if its the lifters,
then likely you'll be okay, but if its the rods knockin, that could be a
death rattle ... that arm that runs the fuel pump isnt likely the problem,
unless your cam is walking around, then you've got other issues ... yup,
tearin it down is the only way you'll know for sure ... hopefully you've
caught this soon enough that you will be able to save the motor .

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:29:37 -0700
From: "O'Connor"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 66 Wipers- Tire Size

Dave,
I tried measuring the arms on my 66 and I couldn't get up under the dash
with the heater etc. in the way. Is it a 2-speed wiper? Maybe someone
else has a cab that is partiallly stripped. Also, maybe Stockman can help
us sort out the parts list confusion. If you're reading this Stockman. help!

Tim 66F100 SWB Custom Cab w/Origainal P/S and O/D
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 08:28:06 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 89 cara*n and 77 F150 head to head

> Some lady in her 89 Carav*n decided that she wanted
> to in the same stop that I was in with my 77 F150. She
> smashed her front end all up and I have a scratch on my
> license plate and my bumper is pressed in just a
> little.
>


Glad everything turned out relatively okay... that is no one was hurt or
killed ... some days you just gotta love old trucks :)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 08:51:45 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Low Mileage 390?

> How many thousands of inches of wear is normal?

None :) Actually I don't know the exact numbers ... an unknown state motor
that I pulled apart (390) had .012" wear on it ... I don't know if that was
taper or what, but we ended up boring .030 just to be sure it was straight
and everything ... I think this motor was pretty well worn, and had never
been apart before ...

> There were a couple broken compression rings.
> Couldn't this
> be because the engine was started after being parked for long periods of
> time?
>

Its possible ... though I would take it as a warning sign that it could be
150K ...


> My internet connection was lost on Monday and I quickly browsed (and
> skipped) through hundreds of messages after recently regaining my
> connection. There were a few people interested in converting a 352 or 360
> into a 390, but shipping costs on a crankshaft & connecting rods


I don't remember who it was either ... if you're out there and looking for a
390 and in Oregon ... lettuce know! Utah is definitely closer than Iowa ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:41:22 -0400
From: "james burnette"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - I'm not too old to do dumb things!

I sure hate to admit a dumb act to the list but since I don't have to look
you in the face I guess it'll be all right.
I was adding oil to the 9 in. rear end in my 71 F100 and the small tapered
plastic cap on the oil bottle fell in the fill hole (!& %#*).
Does anyone think this is a problem?( not with me but the rear end gear). I
would think the gears would just smash it with no harm done but I have been
wrong before.

Jim

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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:59:35 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79-list RE: I dunno (292 acceleration)

I'm going way out on a limb here.....order of importance is Cubes,Cam,
stroke, intake, exhaust. Some are running close to the same precedence such
as cam and cubes. With the correct cam you can make an engine pull as hard
as you want at low rpms but with more cubes you can make it rev to higher
ranges and still get the "same" torque at the same low rpm and with more
stroke you limit the upper rev range due to piston speed but add
dramatically to the low rpm torque potential assuming the cam and cubes are
doing their jobs etc..

If we compare 3 roughly equivelant sized engines with 3 very different
design parameters we see the 302 with the shortest stroke also with the
least low end torque but highest rev range limits, the 300, I-6 with longest
stroke and cammed for low end torque pulls the hardest at low rpms but is
limited at the top and the 292 which was actually somewhere between these
two extremes which can do a little of both.

All of these engines can be made to do what any of the others were designed
to do with the right cam, intake and exhaust along with the correct piston
material and rings etc..

Typically you would expect a longer stroke engine to pull better at the
bottom but the above factors can alter that easily. If you have the same
cubes, different strokes and same intake and exhaust, the one which best
utilizes the intake system will do the best regardless but if you optimize
the intakes for each one to suit it's parameters the longer stroke "should"
pull better at the bottom and lose a comparable amount at the top.

If you cam all of them to rev the long stoke will still produce the most
torque in it's rev range but the piston speed will cripple it at higher rpms
so it will still be a compromise where the short stroke can be made to
scream and make gobs of HP but will then have a narrow power band where
torque only shows up in that range and quicly falls on it's face everywhere
else.

As I keep preaching, there is no free lunch, you cannot have power and
torque and rpm at the same time and at all rev levels. You get one or two
at this rpm and different ones at that rpm but none of them can do it
all..........until you start adding cubes :-) Now we are evening out the
influence of each part so that they become blurred. As you increase cubes
you can also increase cam and maintain the same low end torqe but have more
upper end power and the stroke becomes less important, this is called a
"Wider Power Band" and is the reason we always say you can't argue with
cubes. The larger the engine the less important "Small" details of the
intake and exhaust become but they are still important to get the full power
or economy potential out of it. In other words, if you make it big enough
you can stand back and throw gas at it and it will make "some" power and the
bigger it is the more it will make but the more gas you have to throw at it
:-)

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> I have been enjoying the discussion on the relative
> acceleration/performance of the 292. The 292 has a longer
> stroke than the 302, being different blocks, etc. My
> question is this: How much of a vehicle performance depends
> on stroke, cubes, and other engine factors as opposed to
> gear ratio?
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 08:30:22 -0700
From: Don Grossman
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE Perf - 89 cara*n and 77 F150 head to head

William A Whited wrote:

> Some lady in her 89 Carav*n decided that she wanted
> to in the same stop that I was in with my 77 F150. She
> smashed her front end all up and I have a scratch on my
> license plate and my bumper is pressed in just a
> little.
>
> --
> William A Whited
> 74 F100 RANGER SUPERCAB 390
> 77 F150 CUSTOM 460
> EL Paso, TX
> SEMPER FI

How did you control your self is such a situation. Your License plate
was scratched. I mean we are talking your license plate. Does that lady
in the Caravan know what it is going to entail to replace a license plate
of that vintage? What was she thinking. The real problem comes in if you
state uses a completely different plate design. You might not be able to
get a rear plate that matches the front. You will be stuck getting a new
plate for the front unnecessarily causing you more undue stress and time in
the shop. I hope her insurance is up for a fight..... Caravan parts are a
dime a dozen but a good solid vintage license plate is a rare find.
Justice must be served! Please keep us posted.

(Note : for those of you out there who might not realize it this is
actually a joke intended for your amusement but also might be a good
subject for a tech article. "How to do a License plate update" or " How to
get a Caravan off your &$$")
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duckdon pacific.net
99 Contour
63 F-100 4x4
43 GPW


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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 11:31:50 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: questions 300 6 cyl. swap

The problem with the symptoms you mention is that we have no clue as to the
condition of your 390 or what it has in it, cam wise? The idea of swapping
a 390 or any V-8 for a 6 is a little bit of a stretch for a big block guy
but I can understand your frustration :-)

The brackets will all be different but the mounts should be the same and the
accessories as well. You may have to change out some hoses and cables to
get them to fit in different locations in the engine bay due to the inline
configuration but brackets should be all you need there in addition to that.

It sounds like you have some insight so if you give us a little more detail
on the 390 we may be able to save you the trouble of a swap, at least for
the moment. If you are already committed and don't want to discuss the 390
that's ok too :-)

To use the duraspark you need to change some of the harness so the pins
match up. There's not much to it but remember the coil goes with the module
or system so a points coil won't work with the electronic system. You
basically need the black/purple/orange wires from the dizzy to the module
and red and green wires to the module then just hook up the power lines to
the red and white wires of the module. Pieceacake :-) There's an article
at the FTE site on this :-)

Almost sent this back to Ken. Remember to change the address if you respond
to the original :-)

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> swapping out
> >my (god help me) 390 for a 300 six. please dont bash me on about this
> >because i am wits end with this damn engine .
> >i've had the intake man. off 5x ,swapped it out
> >and still get the same problem. and that problem is rough idle and it
> >sounds like a v-6
> >but it runs good from 1500rpm or more. i got the 300 six from my
> >bro-in-law and i am in the procees of reringing and new bearings and
> >also new gskts not to mentions a fresh ford blue paint job(ugly grey
> >paint)!!!!!!!
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 11:57:18 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - I'm not too old to do dumb things!

You also have bearings in there that won't be very happy with this floating
around. The gears will indeed extrude the plastic but not necessarily
without some damage. Since plastic will probably float this will continue
to cycle through all the parts untill it becomes fine enough to be
considered Polymer based, synthetic.......:-(

Good thing you added that qualifier :-) We know there is a problem with
y......just kidding :-) Don't mean to seem petty but I normally take the
cap o........just kidding :-) We've all dropped stuff at the most
inopportune moments. I had to take the head off of a 61 Pon.... when the
compression tester adapter I used threaded in past the threads and I
couldn't get it re-engaged with the threads. My brother and I spent an hour
or more trying before we gave up and pulled the head and of course it came
right out then......:-( Needless to say I no longer test for compression, I
just guess..........:-)

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> I was adding oil to the 9 in. rear end in my 71 F100 and the
> small tapered
> plastic cap on the oil bottle fell in the fill hole (!& %#*).
> Does anyone think this is a problem?( not with me but the
> rear end gear).
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:13:55 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 66 Wipers

In a message dated 10/25/99 9:35:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
theoconnors mindspring.com writes:

> I tried measuring the arms on my 66 and I couldn't get up under the dash
> with the heater etc. in the way. Is it a 2-speed wiper? Maybe someone
> else has a cab that is partiallly stripped. Also, maybe Stockman can help
> us sort out the parts list confusion. If you're reading this Stockman.
help!
>


Yep I'm reading it! I think you put it succintly Tim when you stated the
Parts book is confusing on this particular item. I too tried to cipher some
clear numbers for Dave when he first posted and couldn't come up with
anything conclusive. We must narrow down whether it's a 2 spd wiper motor
and I have a 65 that I think I can pull the arms on easy enough to measure.
Another possility is the pivot assembly is bad, but not necessarily the
spline end which holds the wiper arms as Tim suggested. On my truck, there
was play in the part which connected the arm (under the dash) to the wiper
shaft. I was able to peen down the rivet and it works great now. These arm
assemblies are not the kind of thing that usually fail and get changed out
very often. Get under the dash with a flash light and see what can be seen
with the wipers running. That's how I found my problem. I recommend that
you remove the wiper arms so that there is no unnecessary stress on the
system. If your system is already apart make sure you inspect those pivot
assemblies very carefully. I'll do some more checking in the book in the
meantime.

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (HELP!---I need 15 x5 factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flare Side
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:30:18 -0700
From: Timothy McCormack
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1974 Ford Pickup

Does anyone know approximately how tall a standard 1974 Ford Pickup is
(measured from the ground to the roof)? If so, could you please email me
the information and your source?

I am involved in a mock (practice) trial this coming weekend.
Unfortunately, my client (the proud owner of a "1974 Ford Pickup") is being
charged with attended hit and run. Supposedly, his truck "tagged" the
mirror of another car. The good news is that my client says that he did not
hit the other car (a newer Acura Legend).

In defending my client, I would like to submit: (1) a profile picture of a
1974 Ford Pickup (preferably without any side trim); and (2) some kind of
evidence of how tall the Ford Pickup is. As I mentioned, I have been unable
to determine how tall a 1974 Ford Pickup truck is??

We want to argue, based on the alleged damage, that no collision could have
occurred. Our argument: if the truck had hit the Acura some damage on the
truck would be visible (i.e. where the truck allegedly hit the Acura shows
no sighs of damage). I can figure out how high the mirror is on the Acura
(I have the product specifications) but I can't figure out where on the
truck the mirror would have contacted the truck (until I know how tall a
1974 Ford Pickup truck is).

Thanks, in advance, for any help.

Tim McCormack

(Long Live Ford Truck Owners!)

P.S. I have found some pretty good pictures on the Internet, but if anyone
else has some good ones, I would love to hear from you.


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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:29:07 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: questions 300 6 cyl. swap

Not to bash you on the swap but I have a question on the 390. Is it the
original motor or did someone else rebuild it with a magazine "performance"
rebuild in mind? The reason I ask is that if a high performance cam with
too much overlap was used then you will have the problems you mention. It
comes down to the components not matching the intended use.

Tom H

> swapping out
> >my (god help me) 390 for a 300 six. please dont bash me on about this
> >because i am wits end with this damn engine .
> >i've had the intake man. off 5x ,swapped it out
> >and still get the same problem. and that problem is rough idle and it
> >sounds like a v-6
> >but it runs good from 1500rpm or more. i got the 300 six from my
> >bro-in-law and i am in the procees of reringing and new bearings and
> >also new gskts not to mentions a fresh ford blue paint job(ugly grey
> >paint)!!!!!!!
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:27:04 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 66 Wipers

Just as a quick follow-up: I have the Mac's catalog which shows the
following information for the 1961-66 Wiper Arm Linkages:

C1TB-17540-A ( 12-1/2" long stamped "440");
C3TZ-17545-A ( 12-1/4" long stamped "508");

The problem with getting part number information from the catalogs is
that there is no guarantee of accuracy; of course the Ford Parts Catalog is
no different!

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (HELP!---I need 15 x5 factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flare Side
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:58:47 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1974 Ford Pickup

In a message dated 10/25/99 12:38:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
timm seedandberry.com writes:

>
> I am involved in a mock (practice) trial this coming weekend.

Tim:

Even assuming you can obtain the pictures or specifications you
seek....you will need to lay a proper foundation for the "evidence" to be
admissible. That requires witness(es) who can authenticate the photos, etc.
etc. An "expert" witness such as a body and collision shop manager or a
representative from a Ford dealership might be the ideal witness. You may
want to make friends with someone at a collision shop or a dealership real
soon. Another source of the information might be an automobile literature
vendor in your area. I hope this helps.

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (HELP!---I need 15 x5 factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flare Side
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:14:02 CDT
From: "martin steiner"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - a built 300?

Hi Does anyone know were I can get a stroker crank and dome pistons for a
300 six. If you know were to get one, or have ever built a 300 before tell
me about it.
thanks

Martin "Stampede" Steiner

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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:30:21 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - F-600

Been on vacation, so I'm late with this response.

Bill B. writes: >>I saw an ad in a paper here in Norway, some guy had a Ford
600 for sale,
and when I called him it was a F-600, so now I am curious of how it looks
like.
Does it have the same cab as the F-100 to F-350 ?

No. Very different.

>>Also, he said the truck had a gross vehicle weight of 11500 kg, which means
25330 lbs,,, is this correct ? Or have I missunderstood... (weight of truck
+ weight of cargo)

Correct... Naked cab/chassis probably weighs in the neighborhood of 9 or 10
thousand #'s. This would give you in the vicinity of 15,000 # for bed and tare.


>>Then he said it had a 6 cyl. gas engine,,,, he thought it was about 4 liter
displacement,,, what kind of engine coiuld this be ?

This calculates out to be around 250 cu in. There was an engine offered in the
smaller F series around 250 cu in, but domestically it was not offered in the
larger F series. Only the 300 I 6 was offered here in the larger F series.

>>Can anyone tell me a little about this truck.... so silly it is so late in
the fall here, if spring I could have ended up with the truck I wanted and
needed for heavy cargos ?


Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:40:24 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Deacon is HOME

Deacon writes: >>For those new to the list and for the those who've forgotten
Ol' Deacon
allow me to recap

No one that was on the list has forgotten you.

W E L C O M E B A C K, and I'm glad you are finally back in your home. I
can't imagine what you have been through, but I'm certainly glad its finally
over.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:42:01 -0400
From: kpayne ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - It's good to touch the green green grass of home!

Deacon wrote:
>
> Yes it's true my friends. After 10 months of living in a motel, we are
> back in our house!!!
>
> For those new to the list and for the those who've forgotten Ol' Deacon
> allow me to recap.

Hi Deacon! Somehow I missed this posting until today. Been very
busy! I'm really glad to see you posting again!

>
> The day after last Thanksgiving a single fallen candle gutted our
> house. I can't begin to explain how much it sucks having a fire. First
> there's the useless effort to fight the fire, then the realization of
> loss, the endless stream of contractors all trying to get a piece of the
> insurance pie and the insurance adjuster doing their best to cheat you
> out of your claim. It's an experience that can bring a person down.

Nothing like tragedy to bring the leeches out. Just look at
any natural disaster. The price gouging on the hotels around
here when the hurrican hit the Carolinas was amazing.

> Through all the battles one joy kept me strong.
> Christmas was a few days away when I wrote to Ken that Christmas
> wasn't coming for us. No tree, no lights, no presents for the kids.
> Ken's reply came back "You haven't checked your P.O. Box. Go check your
> P.O. Box now!" So off to the Post Office went the wife and I. Opening
> the envelope I was expecting to find a nice gift. My knees went weak, my
> hands started shaking and my eyes filled with tears. I couldn't tell
> Teddi what was sent to us, I could only hand the card with the list of
> names from FTE friends and the $750 for her to see for herself.

That's what friends are about.


> Some people said they couldn't help because time were hard. Thank
> you! It wasn't the money (though it did make Christmas a lot happier).
> It is something that lasted much longer! A day hasn't gone by that I
> haven't thanked God for your thoughtfulness. God showed me as he did
> David, We are not alone!!!
>
> FTE RULES!!!!
>
> Later!
>
> Deacon
> deconblu ford-trucks.com
> deconblu earthlink.net
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.earthlink.net/~deconblu/

That event, and our response to it, was the start of what I hope
will be a yearly thing for FTE. Especially with the club, AFTE
in place. We really ought to start putting our heads together
to see if we can find a worthy cause for the holiday season.
By starting well in advance, we can really to some good work.
Although its not the money that matters, in this modern world,
God often does work through the money we give.

Deacon, email me on the side, I'd like to chat a while. Its been
a long time bro!

Ken
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:59:19 -0500
From: David.R.John deluxe.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 16" rims for 78 F250

Hey,

I am looking for some plain steel Ford 16" rims to replace my 16.5" rims.
Am I okay in getting any Ford 8 bolt 16" steel wheel, or are there
different ones. This is for a 78 F250 4x4, Dana44 upfront and Dana60 in
back. Anything that I can/need to specify to the junk yards to make sure
they fit short of just trying to put them on?

Was this a stock option for this year truck? Thanks again for all the
info!!

David
78 F250 4x4 Supercab 460, C6, NP205
78 F250 4x4 parts vehicle

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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:21:27 -0400
From: "Randy K. Pace"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F-600

I have a '68 F-600. It came stock with a 360 engine. Mine has a dump body and is
in very good condition. I am thinking about swapping a 390 in for it. I pull a
backhoe and trailer with mine and have hauled as much as 8 tons of stone. I have it
registered as a 25999 lbs of gvw.

am14 daimlerchrysler.com wrote:

> Been on vacation, so I'm late with this response.
>
> Bill B. writes: >>I saw an ad in a paper here in Norway, some guy had a Ford
> 600 for sale,
> and when I called him it was a F-600, so now I am curious of how it looks
> like.
> Does it have the same cab as the F-100 to F-350 ?
>
> No. Very different.
>
> >>Also, he said the truck had a gross vehicle weight of 11500 kg, which means
> 25330 lbs,,, is this correct ? Or have I missunderstood... (weight of truck
> + weight of cargo)
>
> Correct... Naked cab/chassis probably weighs in the neighborhood of 9 or 10
> thousand #'s. This would give you in the vicinity of 15,000 # for bed and tare.
>
> >>Then he said it had a 6 cyl. gas engine,,,, he thought it was about 4 liter
> displacement,,, what kind of engine coiuld this be ?
>
> This calculates out to be around 250 cu in. There was an engine offered in the
> smaller F series around 250 cu in, but domestically it was not offered in the
> larger F series. Only the 300 I 6 was offered here in the larger F series.
>
> >>Can anyone tell me a little about this truck.... so silly it is so late in
> the fall here, if spring I could have ended up with the truck I wanted and
> needed for heavy cargos ?
>
> Azie
> Ardmore, Al.
>
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:29:59 -0400
From: "Randy K. Pace"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - I'm not too old to do dumb things!

I'm not sure what damage it would do but I'd play it safe. What are we talking
here, a hour of your time, new gear oil, and new gasket. Remove the cap.

james burnette wrote:

> I sure hate to admit a dumb act to the list but since I don't have to look
> you in the face I guess it'll be all right.
> I was adding oil to the 9 in. rear end in my 71 F100 and the small tapered
> plastic cap on the oil bottle fell in the fill hole (!& %#*).
> Does anyone think this is a problem?( not with me but the rear end gear). I
> would think the gears would just smash it with no harm done but I have been
> wrong before.
>
> Jim
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:29:49 -0500
From: "Brett Yerks"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - emissions

David, I have a question about your Supercab and emissions. Does the 460
have any of the emissions crap on it? I assume you don't have cats right?
I just went to get my Supercab titled and registered today and it looks like
I have to get an emissions test. I'm just wondering if you had to have
yours tested and what you did about that.

Thanks,
Brett

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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:39:23 -0600
From: Kirk Baillie
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Pitman arm for PS conv.

Hi im still trying to track down a pitman arm off a 77-79 f250 4x4 for
my power steering conversion. I just got off the phone with a 4x4
wrecker who says he has 78 F150 super cab 4x4 pitman arm and it is the
same as the f250 4x4 pitman arm. Is this correct or does he not have a
sniff? He wants $75.00 (Can.) for it.

Thanks in advance
Kirk Baillie
74 F250 4x4 Highboy
Waiting patiently for all the ps conv. parts
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:36:56 EDT
From: DRVNDBUS aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - a built 300?

I would be interested in that as well .I really like what the 300/6 has done
so far on the roadway and am sure it can do much more with the right coponets.

drvndbus aka mark
77 f100 300/6
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:52:40 EDT
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - WHAT IN THE WORLD WAS THAT?

Hi guys! Last night I let my boyfriend drive my truck and as he was startin
it up it made this awful noise. And he turned the ignition off and the truck
kept idling and the noise kept going. I dunno what he did but he made it
stop, started it up and it was fine. He said the starter got stuck? Is this
right? Just curious what happened. Thanks y'all!
truck's never done it with me.......I guess she just doesn't like silly boys
driving her hehe> J/K

*~*~Lisa and Ency~*~*
*~*~SIlly boys...trucks are for GIRLS!!~*!*
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:59:51 -0500
From: David.R.John deluxe.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - emissions

Brett,

I have no emissions other than PCV (not sure if that counts). I got my
license for it already, no test required. My situation was a little
different though. I was coming from out state (Wis), which I think gives
me upto a year to get tested. Not sure if this is for any vehicle not
currently titled in the Twin cities or just for out state vehicles.
Anyways they are doing away with emission testing in early 2000, so the
nice lady behind the counter said there was no need to get tested. By the
time I would have to do it by law, there would no longer be testing
required.

Either you got someone at the DMV how was having a bad day or the rules are
different for in state vehicles. I would call some other DMV and see if
the test is truely nessesary. If it is I would start the process, not
doing anything to the truck. It will most likely fail and then you have X
number of days to make repairs. Add some type of vacum or some other
pollution looking device and get tested again. Failing again and asking
for specific changes that need to be made and either they will say forget
it, or the whole process will take so long that it will be 2000 and there
will be no testing. In the meantime I assume they either give you a
conditional license or some type of temporary one. Either way you will be
legal till they get rid of the testing.

Just my thoughts....

David

What do you do for your other truck? Or does that pass emissions???

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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:21:09 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - WHAT IN THE WORLD WAS THAT?

> Hi guys! Last night I let my boyfriend drive my truck and as he
> was startin
> it up it made this awful noise. And he turned the ignition off
> and the truck
> kept idling and the noise kept going. I dunno what he did but he made it
> stop, started it up and it was fine. He said the starter got
> stuck? Is this
> right?

Well its not right, but it sounds like what happened ... sometimes on these
old vehicles a low battery will sometimes cause the solenoid (or relay) to
not disengage... also dirt on the starter drive can cause it too ...

but since it kept going with the ignition "off" I'd lean towards the battery
not having a good connection or being fully charged (our 69 stang does this,
and Dad swears its done it since it was new)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:29:50 PDT
From: "Mark Mcknight"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - motor knock

well thanks guys! ;o) I got the motor and the pan out today after
school...... sucks to be me..... well... it seems the rod has gone, and put
a nice sized porthole in my block when I was backin' her inta the
garage..... BANG!!! heheh..... rip off... dah well... I'm thinkin' it will
prolley be cheaper to replace the motor! :o) Man I love this internet!!!!!!

Thanks again boys!!
Mark

85' ford F-150 (Piece of %#*$% !)
78' Ford F-100 slammed harder than the day off the jump!

>From: "William S. Hart"
>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>To:
>Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - motor knock
>Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 08:29:55 -0500
>
> > Yeah, but would that cause the Knocking noise? Could the Motor
> > already be
> > screwed? I don' really want to invest in another motor....
> > Could it just be
> > the bearings are gone? or the tappits, or cam are making a noise? I
>also
> > have a theory that the arm that runs from the cam to the pump could be
> > hitting on the side of the engine? but I don't know. I guess
> > the only way
> > to find out is to tear it down. Thanks for the help guys!
>
>As someone said, it depends on the knocking noise ... if its the lifters,
>then likely you'll be okay, but if its the rods knockin, that could be a
>death rattle ... that arm that runs the fuel pump isnt likely the problem,
>unless your cam is walking around, then you've got other issues ... yup,
>tearin it down is the only way you'll know for sure ... hopefully you've
>caught this soon enough that you will be able to save the motor .
>
>Just my $.02
>wish
>
>96 Mustang GT 4.6L
>73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:31:40 -0500
From: "Brett Yerks"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - emissions

I don't have any trucks registered in Minnesota yet. I'll probably switch
them over next spring after they get rid of emissions. I was told that
would be in March.

So if I get the thing tested, I know its gonna fail, can I still legally
drive it for a certain amount of time, then fail again and keep going like
this? I'm new to emissions, never had to worry about it in WI. BTW, its
currently licensed until Dec 10th, so I don't know if that changes things or
not.

Brett

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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:50:55 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - driving lights amperage

My driving lights just melted my on/off switch. The switch was rated at 20
amps12 vdc. I bought another switch rated at 50 amps 12 vdc. The circuit is
fused with either a 15 amp or possibly 20 amp fuse. Did I get a bad switch
or am I missing something? The new switch isn't going in until I get some
opinions/feedback. BTW, the driving lights are a pair of el cheapo JCWhitney
55 watt halogens that I bought from a friend at a garage sale for $2.

- -- John
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:46:10 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 64 F100 gas filler

>>As I recall, back when
they switched from leaded to unleaded fuel, they also made
the gas nozzles different sizes, and consequently nozzle
adapters were available. Perhaps something like that? Or
some kind of rubber cup with a hole in the middle that would
snug over the filler opening? Let me know if you come up
with anything.

I think I missed something in this thread somewhere, but....when we went to
unleaded fuel, the filler neck got smaller so that you couldn't put leaded
gas in an unleaded vehicle and kill the cat converter. In some areas
unleaded was scarce, so they came out with an emergency adaptor that was
really a specialized funnel so you could easily put leaded gas in an
unleaded tank. I thinkyou guys are looking to go the other direction,
decreasing the inlet size so that you don't have to hold the pump nozzle
while refueling. I haven't seen one in a long time, but someone used to make
a race car type gas tank cap that you simply stuck the nozzle into. A little
spring loaded door opened, you filled up your tank and off you went again.
No screwing around, so to speak. Sorry, I can describe it, but have no idea
where you would find it.

- -- John
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:04:54 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - motor knock

> well thanks guys! ;o) I got the motor and the pan out today after
> school...... sucks to be me..... well... it seems the rod has
> gone, and put
> a nice sized porthole in my block when I was backin' her inta the
> garage..... BANG!!! heheh..... rip off... dah well... I'm
> thinkin' it will
> prolley be cheaper to replace the motor! :o) Man I love this
> internet!!!!!!
>

I'm glad you're taking this so well ... sorry we couldn't have helped you
out before it let go ... good luck with the engine swap.


Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:17:46 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 64 F100 gas filler

> a race car type gas tank cap that you simply stuck the nozzle
> into. A little
> spring loaded door opened, you filled up your tank and off you
> went again.
> No screwing around, so to speak. Sorry, I can describe it, but
> have no idea
> where you would find it.
>

I dunno that I would call it "race car type", but there is such an animal,
usually available at Target and other fine stores ... don't know that I've
seen one that would fit a Ford Truck though, most of them require threads to
screw in, which means late-model type ... not to mention they're usually big
ugly plastic things...

but that's just my opinion ....

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:19:06 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - driving lights amperage

> My driving lights just melted my on/off switch. The switch was
> rated at 20
> amps12 vdc. I bought another switch rated at 50 amps 12 vdc. The
> circuit is
> fused with either a 15 amp or possibly 20 amp fuse. Did I get a
> bad switch
> or am I missing something? The new switch isn't going in until I get some
> opinions/feedback. BTW, the driving lights are a pair of el
> cheapo JCWhitney
> 55 watt halogens that I bought from a friend at a garage sale for $2.
>

Wow, that's weird, I had some cheapo specials too and have never had a
problem with them ... for maximum effect though you might consider running
through a relay so that you don't have to worry about all the wire from the
battery to the switch and back to the lights causing an overheat and burn
situation ... see the "whiter whites, brighter brights" tech article on the
FTE page for info...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:26:34 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - motor knock

In a message dated 10/25/99 4:45:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
chicken521 hotmail.com writes:

> well... it seems the rod has gone, and put
> a nice sized porthole in my block when I was backin' her inta the
> garage..... BANG!!! heheh..... rip off... dah well... I'm thinkin' it will
> prolley be cheaper to replace the motor! :o) Man I love this
internet!!!!!!

Guess this ends the debate on how far gone the bearings are huh? If the
block were rare you would want to "waste time" repairing it; however, in
this case, you will definately be further ahead finding a used serviceable
block. Good luck. I hope things go smoother from here on out.

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (HELP!---I need 15 x5 factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flare Side
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 00:24:54 +0100
From: "Bill Brox"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F-600

Hi there.

Do you have a picture of it ?

By the way, I will receive pics. from this car in some days or weeks... the
owner will fix that for me.
Hope no one buys it this year, but that I can go and see it next summer.

I also called a company here, and they said they even had wheel cylinders
for 14" brakes on the shell..... I am impressed of that company....

Wish I could find some pics of one from 1964 or similar cab at least.

This one is also a dump truck... but wooden body that needs to be repaired
or replaced.

4 liter engine equals 240 or 250.... but who knows, it may be a 300 too, if
300 engines was found in 1964. How would a 390 engine do when it comes to
gas mileage compared to a smaller inline 6 ?

Well, it's night now...

Bill


> I have a '68 F-600. It came stock with a 360 engine. Mine has a dump
body and is
> in very good condition. I am thinking about swapping a 390 in for it. I
pull a
> backhoe and trailer with mine and have hauled as much as 8 tons of stone.
I have it
> registered as a 25999 lbs of gvw.
>
> am14 daimlerchrysler.com wrote:
>
> > Been on vacation, so I'm late with this response.
> >
> > Bill B. writes: >>I saw an ad in a paper here in Norway, some guy had
a Ford
> > 600 for sale,
> > and when I called him it was a F-600, so now I am curious of how it
looks
> > like.
> > Does it have the same cab as the F-100 to F-350 ?
> >
> > No. Very different.
> >
> > >>Also, he said the truck had a gross vehicle weight of 11500 kg, which
means
> > 25330 lbs,,, is this correct ? Or have I missunderstood... (weight of
truck
> > + weight of cargo)
> >
> > Correct... Naked cab/chassis probably weighs in the neighborhood of 9
or 10
> > thousand #'s. This would give you in the vicinity of 15,000 # for bed
and tare.
> >
> > >>Then he said it had a 6 cyl. gas engine,,,, he thought it was about 4
liter
> > displacement,,, what kind of engine coiuld this be ?
> >
> > This calculates out to be around 250 cu in. There was an engine
offered in the
> > smaller F series around 250 cu in, but domestically it was not offered
in the
> > larger F series. Only the 300 I 6 was offered here in the larger F
series.
> >
> > >>Can anyone tell me a little about this truck.... so silly it is so
late in
> > the fall here, if spring I could have ended up with the truck I wanted
and
> > needed for heavy cargos ?
> >
> > Azie
> > Ardmore, Al.
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:48:45 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - driving lights amperage

Thanks for your message at 04:19 PM 10/25/99 -0500, William S. Hart. Your
message was:
>
>Wow, that's weird, I had some cheapo specials too and have never had a
>problem with them ... for maximum effect though you might consider running
>through a relay so that you don't have to worry about all the wire from the
>battery to the switch and back to the lights causing an overheat and burn
>situation ... see the "whiter whites, brighter brights" tech article on the
>FTE page for info...
>
I just want to second the nomination for a relay. I burnt a lot of wire
(heavy gauge at that) with my electric fan. I went to Al's and got a light
relay for about $10, and things have been fine ever since.

Oh, yeah, I didn't just get it. I installed it, too...


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 19:27:16 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 -1964 F-600

In a message dated 10/25/99 6:43:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bill online.no
writes:

>
> 4 liter engine equals 240 or 250.... but who knows, it may be a 300 too, if
> 300 engines was found in 1964.

The 300 didn't come about until 1965. That's not to say someone didn't put
one in there. The engine size is probably 262. It's not that uncommon to
find one in an F-500 and F-600.

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (HELP!---I need 15 x5 factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flare Side
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 19:36:13 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - I'm not too old to do dumb things!

you might ought to get it out, it'll chew it up and then small pieces of
plastic will get in the bearings,

jeff grant
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 19:53:58 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - WHAT IN THE WORLD WAS THAT?

Perfectly normal, for an old ready to die starter. Get a new one in there,
before you destroy your ring gear. Oh and now you've learned the lesson.
LET NO ONE DRIVE YOUR TRUCK. I let my sis-in-law drive, ended up buyin a
tranny.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 19:48:44 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - a built 300?

I dont think there are any stroker kits for the 300, as a 300 is a wickedly
stroked 240. I just built one for my brothers truck, Awesome engine. Bottom
end is stock, pistons are cast, but have a slight swirl in the crown. The
head was milled .030 too boost the compression, 4 barrel holley, clifford
intake, clifford dual outlet headers, and a mild cam. A desktop Dyno
estimated approx 245 hp out of this engine. Not bad for a lil ole 6 banger.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 20:11:09 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - emissions

there is alot of controversy around here on emissions, its not here in my
county yet, but i'm sure it will be soon.
my 78 f150 4x4 came with a 351 m/automatic, my dad bought it with only
6000 miles on it and it had no emission stuff on it. it doesn't have
"unleaded fuel only" on the fuel gauge.
my 78 f100 with 302/auto, has emission stuff on it and it has "unleaded
fuel only"
on the gauge.
and the 79 f250 4x4 i just bought also has it on the gauge.

i have heard that trucks over a certain GVW did not have emissions and were
exempt from testing. but you would think my 79 f250 has a higher gvw rating
than the 78 f150? i haven't looked at the rating on any of them, yet.
i was also told the inspectors always look to see if the gauge has "unleaded
fuel"
if it doesn't it isn't required, if that is true, what keeps us from
installing early model
instrument panels?
jeff grant

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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:41:41 -0700
From: J&D Marketing
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Almost lost my '68 F100

Last week early in the morning I'm getting ready for work and went out and
started up my '68 F-100. I let it run for awhile and realized that I had
locked myself out of the house so I had to shut her off to get my keys to
get back in. When I went back out a minute or so later and tried to start
her, she coughed and backfired through the carb. I immediately pushed the
pedal to the floor and started cranking. She didn't start but I thought the
fire had been sucked out. To my horror about 10 seconds later I saw an
orange glow at the opening at the back edge of the hood. My first thought....


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