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61-79-list-digest Saturday, October 23 1999 Volume 03 : Number 384



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - RE: Knocking Ranger
Re: FTE 61-79 - New Family Member... 66 F100
RE: FTE 61-79 - Oil coming out the dipstick
RE: FTE 61-79 - Yet more Speedo questions! (transfer cases)
RE: FTE 61-79 - motor knock
RE: FTE 61-79 - 1300 E-mails....
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: 64 F - I dunno
RE: FTE 61-79 - motor knock
FTE 61-79 - Low Mileage 390?
RE: FTE 61-79 - motor knock
RE: FTE 61-79 - Low Mileage 390?
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE:Highboy
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE:Highboy
FTE 61-79 - Fwd: Re: auto trans gear indicator
Re: FTE 61-79 - Low Mileage 390?
FTE 61-79 - Drive Shaft Strength
FTE 61-79 - Info about Ford F-600
RE: FTE 61-79 - motor knock
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 64 F - I dunno
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: 64 F - I dunno
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE:Highboy
RE: FTE 61-79 - 21st Century FE
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: 64 F - I dunno
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE:Highboy
FTE 61-79 - NOS 73-79 8ft BEDSIDE......help please
FTE 61-79 - Re: late model hubs and rotors
FTE 61-79 - 68 power steering
Re: FTE 61-79 -vin decoder for 68 f-100
Re: FTE 61-79 -vin decoder for 68 f-100

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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 06:47:52 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Knocking Ranger

Bearings are gone. When you let it idle after a warm up and it knocks once
or twice that's a pre-death warning to the wise to get it fixed. When it
knocks continuously at idle, under load or on letting off the gas it's
closer to death and a rod through the block is immanent. Much cheaper to
fix now than later, trust me. I've toasted a few rods and know the symptoms
in my sleep, in fact I can still hear that knock when I close my
eyes........:-(

It's a dull thud kind of sound, not a tinkle or clank, more like a "Clunk"
and not necessarily very loud at idle with no load, barely perceptible but I
can hear it in my sleep..... if it's more than "barely" perceptible, run,
don't walk, to the nearest auto parts store for some bearings.

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> knocking" when at low
> RPM's it really knocks bad, and when you stomp on the gas, it
> thumps bad,
> but not that bad. The oil pressure goes right to normal, and
> after sitting
> for a few it goes down to nothing.
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 06:53:43 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - New Family Member... 66 F100

In a message dated 10/22/99 3:23:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ETRMK aol.com
writes:

> A couple Qs for ya... what are the dims on a 352?(Bore,stroke,ect.),whats
it
> take to spec it to a 390?

Congrats on the new truck. I'm sure you and your brother will have loads of
fun working on it. The 352 bore and stroke is 4.00" and 3.50"; the etc.
part of your question may take awhile because we could elaborate on that all
day long. However, I think the basic info you seek will be contained in the
many threads on this subject which can found in the archives on the FTE site.
You should spend some time searching there. Also...there are at least two
or three websites which have basic engine specs online....the V-8 Engine
Workshop (www.wrlject.com/engines/fe.html) and another is Fomoco Obsolete's
Engine Textbook (www.fomoco.com). Another excellent resource you should
consider investing in is Steve Christ's Book entitled, "How to Rebuild Your
Big Block Ford." This book is very thorough and has great information and
will help you understand the basics of rebuilding a very solid stock FE
engine. Whether you plan on rebuilding yourself or having someone else do it
it is worthwhile reading for anyone interested in the FE Series engine.

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (HELP!---I need 15 x5 factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 07:08:13 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Oil coming out the dipstick

Air passing over the opening will have a sucking effect and the splashing of
the oil into the bottom of the tube will eventually cause some of it to work
it's way up so it can be pulled out. At lower speeds you will also be
getting dirt in the tube to get into the oil so I would make it a priority
to bolt the bracket down at the top of the tube. Mine is firmly bolted to
the same location as originally but don't recall what I had to do to get it
to fit. I have long tube Walker headers (cheap) with small head, 12 point
header bolts.

This tube can be bent a little if you are carefull but remember that every
bend affects the position of the end of the stick and it's depth into the
pan so readings can be affected by bending it too much. Bends should also
be very gradual. The bracket can also be bent to suit to some extent.

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> On a 460 with a van pan in a truck (dipstick going into the
> middle of the
> pan on drivers side), would oil come out the dipstick tube if
> the dipstick
> was not in it tightly? The reason I ask is that my dipstick is by my
> header and not attached to the engine (only where it goes
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 07:47:06 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Yet more Speedo questions! (transfer cases)

Tony, why would you want to get rid of a 205? Everyone else is trying to
get one installed. It's the strongest xfer case ever made and fairly easy
to rebuild from what I've been hearing. I'll let you know in a few months
after I do my spare :-)

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> Ok, So I can accept the fact that my NP205 divorced might be
> a boat anchor.
> I have a spare Spicer/Dana-24 in good shape as I have
> mentioned for my F-250.
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 08:29:16 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - motor knock

> ford f-150 explorer, 2wd... The guy that I got it from had
> recently had a
> new oil pump, timing chain, and gaskets put on it. it only has
> 150k on it,
> And on the way up north the man said, "It just started knocking"
> when at low
> RPM's it really knocks bad, and when you stomp on the gas, it
> thumps bad,
> but not that bad. The oil pressure goes right to normal, and
> after sitting
> for a few it goes down to nothing. When ya rev the engine it goes up
> slowly..... I am confused as to what this may be :o) any
> sugestions would be
> amazing, as to I am baffled with this
>

Its a high mileage 302 isn't it ?

They have a "problem" where they tend to clog up the oil pickups and end up
starved for oil ... if you don't fix it soon you'll end up with a nice bill
for a new short or long block ...

First step would be to pull the pan, clean it all out really good, then put
a new oil pickup on it and put it all back together ... if that fixes it,
you win ... if not, you need to look at a rebuild maybe ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:30:49 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 1300 E-mails....

Why not investigate hydraulic clutch systems? You can route them any way
you like :-) I know you can get hydraulic throw out bearings for just about
any ford engine, then all you need is the MC and linkage etc..

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> Obligatory FTE content, I'm thinking of adding power
> steering and dual
> exaust to my 63F100, the problem is the clutch linkage is in
> the line of fire
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:46:46 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: 64 F - I dunno

Remember the 292 is a long stroke, low rpm, "Y" block 302 in disguise so was
not intended to be a screamer but certainly was a good light truck engine
for it's time :-) Cubes is cubes and more is always better when it comes to
power. 292 is less than 302.....what do you expect from a "truck" tuned 302
in a heavy truck?

I don't actually have the numbers but I know the 292 was supposed to be a
rod thrower if you pushed it where the tri power equipped 312 had a
different kind of personality more like the 302.

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> '64 F100's were available with a Ford-O-Matic which
> has the three-on-the-tree, I have one. I dunno about
> the 'no pick-up at all' comment, way back when I could
> stomp on it and it would take off.
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:54:45 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - motor knock

335 series engines do this too. If he gets full pressure when cold and it
quickly drops off the pickup is not the most likely cause is it? A clogged
pickup is more likely to do the opposit since the thinner oil can squeeze
through the clogged screen more easily than thick oil etc...

The symptoms he stated, if I understood them correctly, are classic bearing
clearance symptoms. This does not mean it can't be a combination of things
of course :-)

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> > but not that bad. The oil pressure goes right to normal, and
> > after sitting
> > for a few it goes down to nothing. When ya rev the engine
> it goes up
> > slowly

> Its a high mileage 302 isn't it ?
>
> They have a "problem" where they tend to clog up the oil
> pickups and end up
> starved for oil
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 08:02:40 -0600
From: "Danger"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Low Mileage 390?

If a completely stock FE has the original valve stem seals and timing
chain still intact, is it possible that the 30 year old engine has 150,000
miles on it? What's the best way to determine how many miles are on an FE
motor?
When the odometer read 50,000 in a 30 year old convertible, it was
assumed it's 150k or 250k, but could this engine (currently completely
disassembled) really have only 50k miles on it? I can borrow most machinist
measuring tools or afford to buy one, but what should measure and how much
wear is typical of 50k vs. 150k? Would anybody be interested in this engine
(no intake manifold) for $200?

TIA

Danger
SLC, Utah
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:20:03 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - motor knock

> 335 series engines do this too. If he gets full pressure when
> cold and it
> quickly drops off the pickup is not the most likely cause is it?
> A clogged
> pickup is more likely to do the opposit since the thinner oil can squeeze
> through the clogged screen more easily than thick oil etc...
>

Think about that for a minute Gary ... if the oil is thick, it takes less of
it to keep the pressure up ... also likely the oil has "drained back" a bit
as it sits, clearing the pickup temporarily ... then as you run it, the
pickup clogs up again and presto ... no oil ...

Trust me, we lost my sister's motor this way and every Ford mechanic we
talked to seemed to know this was a problem already ...


Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:33:30 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Low Mileage 390?

> miles on it? What's the best way to determine how many miles are on an FE
> motor?
> When the odometer read 50,000 in a 30 year old convertible, it was
> assumed it's 150k or 250k, but could this engine (currently completely
> disassembled) really have only 50k miles on it? I can borrow
> most machinist
> measuring tools or afford to buy one, but what should measure
> and how much
> wear is typical of 50k vs. 150k? Would anybody be interested in
> this engine
> (no intake manifold) for $200?
>

Probably going to have to look at the bores and see how they're doing, if
its a well maintained 50K it will look pretty close, if its a poorly
maintained 50K it might start to look like well maintained 150K though ...

I would guess that would be a good place to start though ... other things to
notice would be an original water pump and stuff like that ... usually by
150K the water pump and fuel pump have gone out at least once, and the odds
of getting another wiht the correct codes on it are pretty slim (though my
360 still had a good water pump when I pulled it and that one was original,
no telling how many miles though)

As for someone wanting it, seems like there was a guy in Oregon who was
looking for one ... if you really need an intake, I might be able to set you
up, though shipping would probably suck.

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:38:48 -0500
From: "Brett Yerks"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE:Highboy

I got 29" from the ground to the body (or do you mean to the actual bottom
of the door?). My truck has a 3" body lift and 38's on it. After getting
some measurements from list members with highboys I think my suspension is
stock height.

Brett
76 F250 4x4
78 F250 4x4 Supercab
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> Well, if you find out, I'd like to know too. NJ lift laws allow 11
> inches over stock door height for vehicles over 8400 (or 8600) lb GVWR.
> Currently, my 78 Bronco sits at 35.5 ground to door height. If indeed,
> the stock height of highboys was 24, then that means a 35" door height
> truck (of some kind) is still legal. They claim one of the reasons they
> won't allow to run a 44" tire anymore is that my truck is too high
> (specifically bumpers), but if you can still have a truck as high as
> mine, I beg to differ :-).
>
> OX


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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 10:56:55 -0400
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE:Highboy

Brett Yerks wrote:
>
> I got 29" from the ground to the body (or do you mean to the actual bottom
> of the door?).

Yes, bottom of door.

> My truck has a 3" body lift and 38's on it.

What is actual tire radius from ground to center of tire.

OX
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 07:34:08 -0700
From: Don79XLT
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fwd: Re: auto trans gear indicator

>Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:05:10 -0700
>To: bigbroncos moab.off -road. com
>From: Don79XLT
>Subject: Re: auto trans gear indicator
>
>I know a guy is having a problem with the AOD transmission. Forget to get
>the year number but it has the 302 in it I think..late 80's maybe..f150 4x4.
>The transmission was removed, a new flex plate put in and now it only
>shifts into 1st and 2nd and will not go into 3rd or 4th. If it may be the
>TV cable....how does one adjust this???
>any other ideas on what it may be to solve the problem would be appreciated
>This guy is fairly knowledgable about dodge/chevy etc...but this is giving
>him fits... ;-)
>
>Thanks
>
>
>
>At 09:38 AM 10/20/99 -0700, you wrote:
>
>>The AOD is the only model with a TV cable. It is imperative that this
>>cable be
>>adjusted properly for the AOD to function as well as last a while. This cable
>>connects to a vale that regulates fluid pressure through the transmission. It
>>regulates fluid pressure against throttle position.
>>
>>All other transmissions (AODE, E40D) are electronically controlled.
>>
>>Bob.

Don
'79 Bronco Ranger XLT, 400,4.11's open diff,LT235x16",np205,and C6
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:36:47 -0600
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Low Mileage 390?

> Probably going to have to look at the bores and see how they're doing, if
> its a well maintained 50K it will look pretty close, if its a poorly
> maintained 50K it might start to look like well maintained 150K though ...

How many thousands of inches of wear is normal? I could borrow a tool to
measure the piston, but would have to buy the tool which measures the
cylinder bore. There were a couple broken compression rings. Couldn't this
be because the engine was started after being parked for long periods of
time?

> As for someone wanting it, seems like there was a guy in Oregon who was
> looking for one ... if you really need an intake, I might be able to set
you
> up, though shipping would probably suck.
>
> Just my $.02
> wish

My internet connection was lost on Monday and I quickly browsed (and
skipped) through hundreds of messages after recently regaining my
connection. There were a few people interested in converting a 352 or 360
into a 390, but shipping costs on a crankshaft & connecting rods (to use new
390 piston with fresh bore/hone) would indeed suck.


Danger
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 10:45:53 -0500
From: "Brian C Nyman"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Drive Shaft Strength

Thanks to all who responded to my inquiry. Sorry I haven't responded - I've
been vacationing in Vegas all week - dang, I missed the earthquake...

Some info: 402cid FE (freshly rebuilt: TRW flat top pistons, Edelbrock intake &
heads, 750 cfm Holley, bored, cammed, etc.), C6 Camper Special, 3.56 9", BFG
Radial TAs (N50 - 295/50R15) should have good grip (have yet to see the road)
.. Lotta Torque & Lotta HP ...

Personally, I'd REALLY like to go with the aluminum driveshaft, but I'll have to
see what my chief mechanic (aka Uncle Bill) thinks of the idea - he was planning
on "fabricating" one anyway. I'll definitely recommend the driveshaft loop(s)
as the process moves forward.

Brian Nyman
bnyman allina.com
'58 F100

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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:12:18 +0100
From: "Bill Brox"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Info about Ford F-600

Hi all,

Does anyone know about a site where I can find some info about a Ford F-600
from 1964 ? (Info and specifications, and pics maybe)

Bill



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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:22:21 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - motor knock

I've only actually seen pickup tube problems in 335 engines and when the
pump was disassembled the rotor and stator were seized by a thin layer of
varnish which had been attached to the inside of the pickup tube, not the
screen itself so I guess this is really a different thing but with similar
results except in this case the first indication was low oil pressure due to
bearing wear (actually indication of hours on the engine) and then
catastrophic failure due to a seized pump. In this case oil flowed through
the tube ok and the screen was actually not noticeably clogged but the tube
was the culprit. This problem is caused by poor heat exchange in this
particular engine which tends to varnish the internal parts, apparently more
so than with other designs.

I will say that some much older engines (non fords without filters) I have
disassembled had clogged screens but the whole engine was sludged up in
those cases.

An old gentleman once told me "You can't argue with success" but I guess if
I were analyzing it with no previous experience I would expect that at idle,
since less oil is flowing through the screen enough gets through to satisfy
the engine's demands but as rpm goes up and pump volume "should" increase
the restriction could, at that point, interfere with pressure by causing
intermittant cavitation in the pump or a surging effect. I understand that
some screens have a relief door to allow oil to flow even when plugged? In
that case I would still expect some loss of pressure due to energy being
expended on opening the door?

I haven't worked with many 302's so can't say that I've ever run into this
but I've seen many that needed bearings before I would have expected,
possibly due to this problem? The few I have disassembled didn't strike me
as being clogged but got new screens anyway. I just always replace them now
since I discovered this varnish problem noted above. They only cost $15-20
so it's cheap insurance :-)

My new philosophy is to replace the pump as well, again as cheap insurance
if the engine has a lot of miles on it.

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> Trust me, we lost my sister's motor this way and every Ford
> mechanic we
> talked to seemed to know this was a problem already ...
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 10:02:50 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 64 F - I dunno

Thanks for your message at 12:54 AM 10/22/99 -0400, crewcab altavista.net.
Your message was:
>'64 F100's were available with a Ford-O-Matic which
>has the three-on-the-tree,

THis is an oxymoron...Three-on-the-tree is a stick shift, Ford-O-Matic an
automatic...


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 10:23:21 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: 64 F - I dunno

Thanks for your message at 09:46 AM 10/22/99 -0400, Peters, Gary (G.R.).
Your message was:
>Remember the 292 is a long stroke, low rpm, "Y" block 302 in disguise so was
>not intended to be a screamer but certainly was a good light truck engine
>for it's time :-) Cubes is cubes and more is always better when it comes to
>power. 292 is less than 302.....what do you expect from a "truck" tuned 302
>in a heavy truck?

The 292 really has no relationship to the 302 except that they are both
Ford...


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:03:16 -0500
From: "Brett Yerks"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE:Highboy

> Brett Yerks wrote:
> >
> > I got 29" from the ground to the body (or do you mean to the actual
bottom
> > of the door?).
>
> Yes, bottom of door.

Ok, 30" to the bottom of the door

> > My truck has a 3" body lift and 38's on it.
>
> What is actual tire radius from ground to center of tire.

18.5" from ground to center of tire.

Brett
76 F250 4x4
78 F250 4x4 Supercab
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:37:48 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 21st Century FE

The difference in low end torque between the 351m and 352 FE is essentially
due to the cam and compression ratios. Switching to the FE is going to be a
bunch of work due to engine mount system and tranny flange differences. The
m is certainly easier to work on and has a good after market following so
there is really no advantage to the FE when You already have the 335 series
installed stock.

Don't let these fanatic FE guys fool you into their world of magic, Voodoo
and hocus pokus......:-)

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> I am about to start an on new adventure. I want to build a computer
> controlled, fuel injected FE to replace the 351M in my 78
> Bronco. I like
> the 351M but it gets about the same mileage as my 352 without
> all the bottom
> end torque I get from the 352.
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:55:18 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: 64 F - I dunno

The discussion was about the 292 not having much pizazz. I was trying to
compare the size, not the family. The 302 is a lousy truck engine due to
many factors, one of which is it's diminutive size and another is it's short
stroke. My recollections of the 292 are that it was a more tractable engine
in a truck, in spite of it's size but due to design diffences was not
considered a screamer like the 302. That's why I included all the
description stuff :-) You know, "Y" Block, long stroke etc... :-)

If you've ever had a 302 in a E-300 van you know what I'm talking about :-)

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> >Remember the 292 is a long stroke, low rpm, "Y" block 302 in
> disguise so was
>
> The 292 really has no relationship to the 302 except that
> they are both
> Ford...
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:44:04 -0400
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE:Highboy

Brett Yerks wrote:
>
> > Brett Yerks wrote:
> > >
> > > I got 29" from the ground to the body (or do you mean to the actual
> bottom
> > > of the door?).
> >
> > Yes, bottom of door.
>
> Ok, 30" to the bottom of the door
>
> > > My truck has a 3" body lift and 38's on it.
> >
> > What is actual tire radius from ground to center of tire.
>
> 18.5" from ground to center of tire.
>

So in other words, your stock ground to door height would be 24.5,
which is about what NJ calls it. I'm just not sure that 78+, 3/4-1 tons
were 3 inches shorter.

OX
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:55:18 EDT
From: One47Ford aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - NOS 73-79 8ft BEDSIDE......help please

Hi there,

I'm looking for some info. concerning a rt. ft. bedside for a 73-79 ford P/U.
Our truck met an unfortunate fate with an inexperienced fork-lift operator.
The bedsides on this truck were perfect and we don't want to use
aftermarket; we were told by a local Ford dealer that Ford was still making
the bedsides up to 10/98 and then they were discontinued. We were given the
part number of DGTZ 9927840 B. If anyone on this page has any info or
could point us in the right direction, it would be much appreciated, if they
were discontinued only a year ago, there has to be one out there. Thanks for
your help.
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:56:36 EDT
From: Brazzadog aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: late model hubs and rotors

JJJJJGRANT aol.com wrote:

> i remember some one saying that 75-86 spindles, rotors and hubs are the
>same,
>has anyone verified this?
> i'm trying to sell a 1983 f250 4x4 with a junk engine, and after i saw
>that i got to thinking, i could use the parts from this truck to install on
>my 78 f150 4x4 and make it 3/4 ton.

The original question was in reference to 1/2 tons and Bronco's with a Dana
44 front axle. The 3/4 ton hubs may not be the same. They do have 3 more
lug nuts after all. Also, it's not uncommon for a truck badged as a 3/4 ton
to have one ton running gear from the factory. The best thing might be to
start with a positive ID on the front axle.

Ben Williams
'78 F-250
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 17:21:11 -0700
From: "gas"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 68 power steering

Saw Tim Oconners' offer to share a list of equiptment needed for this
conversion in older fords. Mine is a 68 1/2 4x4 custom. Bought this rig on
March of 68, helluva rig. I wonder if someone has a list for the 4x4
conversion. I am also looking at replacing the steering wheel and column.
Assistance would be much appreciated.

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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 20:21:56 EDT
From: Cuzzinfl aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 -vin decoder for 68 f-100
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