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61-79-list-digest Thursday, October 21 1999 Volume 03 : Number 382



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In this issue:

RE: FTE 61-79 - distributor
FTE 61-79 - RE: Speedo Change over
RE: FTE 61-79 - 78 F250 4x4 Steering
RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Speedo Change over
RE: FTE 61-79 - Edelbrock Intake/Bearing Adj./Holley-Carter
FTE 61-79 - Re:78 F-250 4x4 steering
FTE 61-79 - engine swap
FTE 61-79 - rims
FTE 61-79 - NOS Frame Clips
FTE 61-79 - rims correction
FTE 61-79 - radiator support mounts
RE: FTE 61-79 - distributor
RE: FTE 61-79 - engine swap
Re: FTE 61-79 - '78 Bronco hub/rotor
FTE 61-79 - 78 F250 4x4 Steering
FTE 61-79 - '78 Bronco hub/rotor
FTE 61-79 - OK some more VIN numbers
Re: FTE 61-79 - NOS Frame Clips
FTE 61-79 - Duraspark/Ballast resistor?
FTE 61-79 - highboy
RE: FTE 61-79 - rims
Re: FTE 61-79 - highboy
RE: FTE 61-79 - 1964, F-600 questions...
RE: FTE 61-79 - rims
FTE 61-79 - '78 Bronco hub/rotor
Re: FTE 61-79 - highboy
Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 F250 4x4 Steering
Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 F250 4x4 Steering
RE: FTE 61-79 - rims
FTE 61-79 - 21st Century FE
Re: FTE 61-79 - 21st Century FE
Re: FTE 61-79 - highboy
FTE 61-79 - my new web page....
Re: FTE 61-79 - 21st Century FE
FTE 61-79 - 1300 E-mails....
Re: FTE 61-79 - rims correction
RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Speedo Change over
RE: FTE 61-79 - distributor
FTE 61-79 - Re: 78 F250 4x4 Steering
FTE 61-79 - 21st Century FE
Re: FTE 61-79 - distributor
FTE 61-79 - Motors for sale
FTE 61-79 - Early 88 Bronco Hubs
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 78 F250 4x4 Steering
RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Speedo Change over
FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE 61-79 64 F - I dunno
FTE 61-79 - Yet more Speedo questions! (transfer cases)
FTE 61-79 - Heavy Truck Engines

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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 06:14:14 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - distributor

With the exception of the windsor, all the other larger engines take the
same dizzy. Where you will find considerable differences is in the
mechanical advance springs and cam range. Trust me this part does not
interchage between engines very well. A 351M dizzy will fit a 460 but will
not allow the engine to get it's full potential from the timing etc.. Due
to the windsor's deck height I suspect it takes a differnt length but not
sure on that. I know for a fact that the 302 is different and FE's are too
I believe.

Lots of words to say....351M/400 and 429/460 use the same dizzy and maybe a
few others as well :-)

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> Said he thinks it was for a 351 - but doesn't know which.
> Can anybody out
> there help. I know it's for a 1970 Full Size Ford by the
> DOAF, but can
> anybody else help with the rest. It's a Motorcraft DOAF
> 12131-A (or
> 12L31-A) S-8 with a single black wire, points and condensor
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 06:17:16 -0400
From: "George W. Selby, III"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Speedo Change over

My business partner and I purchased a Firebird (we sold it) a couple of
years back, and it had one of the custom digital dashes you can buy in the
Summit catalog. Hate to say it, but it looked incredibly tacky. The LED's
looked like late 70's technology, and the rest wasn't much better. I have
had two and currently own one car with a digi dash, but to tell the truth I
prefer the analog for reading ease. (The 300ZX reads
0-3-10-20-27-35-47-59-70 as you are accelerating, so its kinda hard to
judge when to stop accelerating.) The Audi was the best, the two Nissans
are not as good, but the 300ZX's is better than the 200SX (Guess that's why
it costs more) But in all three the tach reads in 200 rpm increments, too
coarse for good shifting.

My Ford Truck has analog guages, and I added a cheap tach for kicks
I don't really like going faster than 85 in it, so
the 85 mph guage is fine, faster just gets me in trouble, besides, by the
time I hit 50 most people are far behind me and covering their ears from
the wail.

George Selby
78 F-150 400M, 4 on floor, 4x4
86 Nissan 300ZX
82 Jeep Cherokee
85 Dodge W-100
jumbofordman earthlink.net

PS: If anybody wants a 86 Nissan 200SX that was totally underwater for a
couple of days and had a blown engine before that, give me a e-mail. Just
kidding, I'm hauling it to the junkyard. Also have a 76 T-bird with a 429
in similar circumstances, motor had huge rod knock before the
hurricane/flood Floyd, now has slight water damage (was totally submerged.)

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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 06:50:21 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 78 F250 4x4 Steering

Key factors to keep in mind are that the track bar and drag link should be
parallel to each other and, ideally, parallel with the ground as well.
Obviously the more angle you have the more stress will be placed on the end
joints of the drag link so a droped pitman arm is usually used. Problem
with this is that it necessitates the dropping of the frame track arm mount
to keep them parallel so kits usually come with this bracket as well.

From a purist stand point the track arm and drag link should be parallel
with the axle or ground for the least "Bump steer" but typically they have a
fair angle to the ground even when stock so it's all relative. More angle,
more bump steer. Out of parallel, more bump steer and other problems as
well.

To add insult to the injury, lifting the vehicle with no change to the track
bar puts the rear wheels out of "track" with the front. 4" lift will move
it a small amount but it all adds up to handling changes that you can
sometimes actually feel depending on how many things are not quite lined up
right. Your steering lock problem is due to the drag link being pulled to
the left as you raise the chassis from the axle.......unless you also drop
the track bar and pitman pivot location. I call this condition "Dog
Tracking" because it causes the vehicle to go down the road slightly
sideways which wears the tires, scrubs off some HP and reduces economy.
I've seen truck going down the road where the dog tracking was very obvious.

Adjustable track bars and drag links will solve the loc to loc problem but
you will still have some handling changes you may not like if you don't
correct the other things too. Just for your own information, next time you
have the pitman arm off, check the center of the steering wheel to the
center of the box. Turn it lock to lock (linkage must be disconnected for
this test) and find the center of movement and see if the wheel is
absolutely straight across (horizontal) at this location. If not, correct it
now then try to adjust the other steering components to get it back to
center when traveling down the road in a straight line. An adjustable drag
link can do it all by itself but to get the front axle in alignment with the
rear you may need an adjustable track bar as well. What this excercise does
it get the steering box back to center where the clearances are the tightest
for straight line driving and better handling. Once you have the steering
wheel where it belongs you should never change it again, but correct the
other parts to keep it there.

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> of course when i did it changed steering geometry. The kit
> came with a 2 in
> riser block that fits beetween the steering arm and the
> knuckle, but it
> doesnt complete the correction. I cant even come close to
> turning to the
> right as far as i can turn to the left, and ive already fried
> the rear joint
> on the new draglink i bought last yr. The guy at the shop
> said that he could
> fab a new drag link that has the tie rod ends inverted and is also
> adjustable. Anyone else done this lift on a similar rig? and
> if so what did
> you do to make the correction?
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 06:55:59 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Speedo Change over

I totally sympathize with you George but the 240 mph speedo is really cool
for the conversation factor :-) First people see that then they want to see
the engine :-) It's not on the top of my priority list but is still there
as one of the "Fun" things I'd like to do :-) I can get in trouble with a
festiva or spitfire so.........:-) I know of a case where a guy got a
ticket for speeding on a bicycle.......:-(

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> I don't really like going faster than
> 85 in it, so
> the 85 mph guage is fine, faster just gets me in trouble,
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 07:36:36 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Edelbrock Intake/Bearing Adj./Holley-Carter

Apparently the aluminum manifolds on FE's are a problem due to the thin
front and rear rails and the way the dizzy fits through the manifold causing
alignment problems. For 50 bucks I'd give it a shot but pay attention to
these areas when you put it together.

Sorry, the pin is in the inner nut, not the ring so it doesn't matter :-)
Didn't eat my wheaties that day so my brain was out of sync....:-) Again,
though, since the spec allows up to 0.010" free play I don't think this is a
real issue, just rotate the nut till it fits the nearest hole, torque, test
and redo as necessary. When the next tightest position takes out all the
free play and there was free play in the last position, I leave it and call
it good :-) Remember, disk brakes require tighter tolerances and less free
play than drums so with these I shoot for zero. With drums I'm a little
less fussy but zero will work there as well :-)

When I say zero I mean by my "feel" with tire installed. By the time you
over come the grease to get this feel there is still some mechanical free
play in the bearing so it is still in spec. If you test with the wheel off
you can't get enough leverage on the hub to get a "good" feel IMHO,
especially in winter, in a cold shop, when the grease is very stiff :-)

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> Anybody running a Edelbrock intake on thier FE?
> Any problems?
> Only thing that guy selling knows is that it is a single 4bbl manifold
> off a 390,it is in "excellent"condition and he wants $50.
> I realize some mods will be nessarary to linkage etc.

> with the hole in lock ring I pull just the ring out and flip it over.
> Some times it works,sometimes it doesn't
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 07:52:38 -0400
From: Steve Schaefer
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:78 F-250 4x4 steering

Someone had the part # for a universal with yokes to replace the factory one. The yokes need to be welded to the shaft. I think the total price was under
$50. Another choice is to search the local boneyards (this is what I did). You may get lucky. As for the drag link, they make dropped drag links. They are
adjustable from 3-5". It has a lifetime guarantee and was $119. Look in any 4wd magazine. When you correct the steering, the truck will be a dream to drive
again.

Steve S.
77 F-250 Supercab (Yellow/purple)
76 F-350 Crewcab flatbed
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>
> The stock steering shaft on my 78 F250 4x4 is ....

> the owner just
> looked at me with an ear to ear grin and said, "good luck" :-) He said that
> he could fab me up an assembly with needle bearing u joints on either end but
> itll be to the tune of about 2-250 bucks. Has anyone bought one of those
> Borgeson shafts that i see all the time in 4x4 mags? And if so, how much do
> they cost? Also... i put in a 4in suspension kit from trailmaster last year..
> of course when i did it changed steering geometry. The kit came with a 2 in
> riser block that fits beetween the steering arm and the knuckle, but it
> doesnt complete the correction. I cant even come close to turning to the
> right as far as i can turn to the left, and ive already fried the rear joint
> on the new draglink i bought last yr.
>

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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 07:42:14 -0500
From: "Eric Washburn"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - engine swap

Sorry, I forgot to say exactly what I need to know. I want to put a
fue-injected 300 to replace my '67's 240. I know It will drop right in. I
need to know about the wiring. Such as do I need to get the computer, etc.


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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 07:43:37 -0500
From: "Eric Washburn"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - rims

Can I put 15x8 rims on my truck? I was wanting to know so I can put on
10.5x30 BFGoodrich tires on my '67 F100. I've got the original rims.


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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:34:09 -0400
From: "J. Doss Halsey"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - NOS Frame Clips

Stockman:

>I am hopeful someone will have a suggestion for the frame clips which
secure >the brake and fuel lines to the frame on a 1966 F-250.

try Green Sales in Cincinnati, OH

(513) 731-3304

They will help you find a Ford Part number for those clips, and if they
don't have them, they will point you to the nationwide network of Ford
dealers who still have NOS parts on their shelves. It is a little more
expensive, but this route has paid off for me several times for obscure
parts, namely a 390 flywheel, NP435 backup light switch, and new retaining
clips for the front springs.

Good luck.

Doss Halsey
'68 F-250, camper special, 390, ranger trim
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 07:50:12 -0500
From: "Eric Washburn"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - rims correction

Sorry, I meant to say 30x9.50. What rim size would ya'll recommend?


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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:43:05 -0400
From: "J. Doss Halsey"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - radiator support mounts

Joe,

>anybody know of where i can get the metal parts of the radiator support
mounts??

Do you mean the bolts and washers that hold the radiator support to the
frame? If so, Dennis Carpenter has a reproduction kit compete with the rubber.

Doss Halsey
'68 F-250 camper special, '73 radiator support (hope they don't notice in
the concours competition)
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:15:23 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - distributor

> With the exception of the windsor, all the other larger engines take the
> same dizzy.


The FE also has a different dizzy.

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:23:53 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - engine swap

> Sorry, I forgot to say exactly what I need to know. I want to put a
> fue-injected 300 to replace my '67's 240. I know It will drop right in. I
> need to know about the wiring. Such as do I need to get the
> computer, etc.


Hey no problem. The answer is "yes, you will need a computer" wihtout the
computer you won't be able to figure the mixtures and such and the truck
might run at idle, or WOT, but will not run otherwise I'm sure ...

Your best bet would be to get a parts truck from the salvage yard
(preferrably a roll-over or other accident, not a burned one :) and just
strip the wiring out of it and mount it all in your truck ... kind of a
pain, but will be the cleanest you can probably get ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 09:35:35 -0400
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '78 Bronco hub/rotor

Tony Marino wrote:
>
> Hey Guys--
>
> Except for that strange setup in 'late '87 and early 88 on fullsize 4x4 (with
> different hub assy.) the hubs are all the same from 67-96. (and rotors from
> '73-96). Surprise your parts guys at the autostores when you get a price of $65
> dollars a piece for rotors for a '93 F-150 4x4, and you tell them you want to buy
> them for a '78 F-150 4x4 instead for $35 bucks.... Same exact thing-- my '93
> tells me so! 8-)
>

AFAIK, the biggest change from 78-96 (from spindles out, knuckle IS
different after 79) was the caliper mount. They switched to the pins
with the rubber center in the mid 80's or so. Otherwise, everyhting else
should be the same. Not sure about rotors on 94 up Broncos, as they came
with 4wheel ABS.

OX
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:09:11 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 78 F250 4x4 Steering

Eric,

Marino is the man with the part numbers to fix the steering shaft, at least
the U-joint end. Should cost under $50 if you can do it yourself. I recently
did this, and will doing it again soon on my 76....the Spicer parts are
awesome. It takes a little cutting, etc, but nothing too major.

Also, regarding your draglink, try Superlift, they have a real nice dropdown
unit that is fully adjustable and bolts right in....but, as usual, its gonna
cost ya'......I'm guessing around $180.

I just installed a 4" lift on a 78, and this dropdown unit worked awesome. It
seemed like it would put a lot less stress on those knuckle bolts compared to
the block method.

Hope this helps!!!!

CJ

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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:09:17 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '78 Bronco hub/rotor

Hey,

In my limited experience, I'm SURE the 76-79 F-150 4x4's and the 78-79
Broncos have the same hub/spindle parts. Earlier F-150's seemed for the most
part to have drum fronts, but from what I've read here, discs were an option
earlier.

I'm not sure if these earlier versions would work because the other
difference that I THINK started in 76 was the integral power steering, and
these seemed to use steering knuckles that accepted bigger tapers for the tie
rods....

Hope this helps!

CJ
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:07:34 +0800
From: "David and Cherie"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - OK some more VIN numbers

I have just spent all day dismantling my F 350 for rebuilding.
I am curious to the VIN numbers (although here in Australia we didn't get
VIN numbers until late 80's).

I think I have cracked the Australian Compliance tag but I have found on the
Chassis 2 extra sets of numbers.
They are, one set on the top of the rear cab mount on what to you yanks
would be the drivers side (left),
It is
37TA
5A111-A

The other number is on the right side on top of the chassis rail just behind
the radiator support panel where it bolts to the chassis,
It is,
FD3987S

The last letter could be a 5 but I think its an S.
So what can you all tell me about this, I would assume since they were all
built in America you all might know more than me.

A couple of clue's, Its a 1968, F350, Dana 70 rear, 240 six as standard.
Your help would be most apprecative.

Regards David,
West Australia.


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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:32:59 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - NOS Frame Clips

In a message dated 10/20/99 8:52:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
halsey isl-inc.com writes:

>
> try Green Sales in Cincinnati, OH
Called them first....negatory. Thanks for the help anyway.

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (HELP!---I need 15 x5 factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flare Side
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 06:48:17 -0800
From: "4Travis"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Duraspark/Ballast resistor?

Hi during my restoration/rebuild of my 74F250 FWD I coverted the ignition
from points to the Ford Dura-Spark II system. Is it neccesary to use a
ballast resistor with the electronic ignition? This is on a 300 I6 but that
shouldn't make any differance...

Geffrey Travis

96 F350 PSD crew cab
81 F250 Geesermobile
74 F250 "Highboy"
96 HD Road King
97 HD Wide Glide



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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:20:07 -0500
From: "Brett Yerks"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - highboy

Hi, I've got a favor to ask of anyone with a mid 70's highboy with the stock
suspension. Could you please measure from the top of each axle to the
bottom of the frame. I'm trying to figure out how much, if any, suspension
lift my 76 may have.

Thanks,
Brett
76 F250 4x4
78 F250 4x4 Supercab
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:44:52 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - rims

Back spacing would be the only problem you might encounter. The diameter
should be fine. If I already had the 8" rims I would not hesitate to put
9.50's on those but if you have to buy new ones 7" might be better. Stock
"H" size or 235R75's go on 6 or 6.5" most of the time and these are about
8.00 or 8.50 cross section.

12.5's will fit on 8 or 10 inch rims but everyone seems to feel the 8" work
better for these. I have them on 10" and don't see any problem but the ride
is stiff. 8" in my case might make the ride a tad softer from what the gang
has been saying :-) Based on this I recommend the above but you should ask
a tire installer what they recommend for this combination to be sure. I
don't have a chart in front of me :-)

Remember the 9.50 does not represent the tread as many people believe, it
actually represents the widest part of the side wall cross section.

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> Can I put 15x8 rims on my truck? I was wanting to know so I can put on
> 10.5x30 BFGoodrich tires on my '67 F100. I've got the original rims.
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:50:45 -0400
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - highboy

Brett Yerks wrote:
>
> Hi, I've got a favor to ask of anyone with a mid 70's highboy with the stock
> suspension. Could you please measure from the top of each axle to the
> bottom of the frame. I'm trying to figure out how much, if any, suspension
> lift my 76 may have.
>

NJ checks bottom of door to ground height on ay lifted truck. They
claim older 1/2 tons (30 inch tire) are 20 inches. 3/4-1 tons are 21
(which I think is low) and high boys (pre-78) are 24. I just picked up a
79 F-350 and it has 265/75 R16 tires on it. Susp is stock and it
measures 22.

OX
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 09:01:42 -0700
From: Scott grossen
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 1964, F-600 questions...

You can never be over powered when it comes to equipment, my uncle used
to use a 429 to pump water in place of a briggs and stratton. it was
kind of impressive to see that 429 wrapped out to 6000 rpm for hours on
end until the cheap headers melted off. so as for long term durability i
think they hold up pretty good.
p.s. the engine was out of a marquis that had 100000 mi. and it was
never touched.
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:59:53 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - rims

Okay ... so what did you say for the 9.5's ? Diameter should match rim
diameter, no questions there ... you sayin you want 2" narrower rim than
tire ?

> Back spacing would be the only problem you might encounter. The diameter
> should be fine. If I already had the 8" rims I would not hesitate to put
> 9.50's on those but if you have to buy new ones 7" might be
> better. Stock
> "H" size or 235R75's go on 6 or 6.5" most of the time and these are about
> 8.00 or 8.50 cross section.
>
> 12.5's will fit on 8 or 10 inch rims but everyone seems to feel
> the 8" work
> better for these. I have them on 10" and don't see any problem
> but the ride
> is stiff. 8" in my case might make the ride a tad softer from
> what the gang
> has been saying :-) Based on this I recommend the above but you
> should ask
> a tire installer what they recommend for this combination to be sure. I
> don't have a chart in front of me :-)
>
> Remember the 9.50 does not represent the tread as many people believe, it
> actually represents the widest part of the side wall cross section.
>
> > Can I put 15x8 rims on my truck? I was wanting to know so I can put on
> > 10.5x30 BFGoodrich tires on my '67 F100. I've got the original rims.
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:05:36 EDT
From: Brazzadog aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '78 Bronco hub/rotor

Thanks all for your help. That's pretty fantastic interchangablity. The
power of the list comes through again. : )

Ben Williams
'78 F-250


Tony Marino wrote:

>Except for that strange setup in 'late '87 and early 88 on fullsize 4x4 (with
>different hub assy.) the hubs are all the same from 67-96. (and rotors from
>'73-96). Surprise your parts guys at the autostores when you get a price
of $65
>dollars a piece for rotors for a '93 F-150 4x4, and you tell them you want
to buy
>them for a '78 F-150 4x4 instead for $35 bucks.... Same exact thing-- my
'93
>tells me so! 8-)
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:11:33 -0500
From: "Brett Yerks"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - highboy

Thats a problem though, door to ground height takes into account the tire
size, and I have 38's. I'd just like to know if the leafs I have in there
now give me any, or how much, lift over what they were stock.

Brett


> Brett Yerks wrote:
> >
> > Hi, I've got a favor to ask of anyone with a mid 70's highboy with the
stock
> > suspension. Could you please measure from the top of each axle to the
> > bottom of the frame. I'm trying to figure out how much, if any,
suspension
> > lift my 76 may have.
> >
>
> NJ checks bottom of door to ground height on ay lifted truck. They
> claim older 1/2 tons (30 inch tire) are 20 inches. 3/4-1 tons are 21
> (which I think is low) and high boys (pre-78) are 24. I just picked up a
> 79 F-350 and it has 265/75 R16 tires on it. Susp is stock and it
> measures 22.


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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:50:18 -0600
From: Kirk Baillie
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 F250 4x4 Steering

I'm am doing the P.S steering conversion on my 74 f250 Highboy 4x4 and
I'm wondering since the truck is a highboy with the factory 4" lift,
will the regular pitman arm off another 77-79 f250 4x4 work.

Thanks
Kirk Baillie
I think I finally located a pitman arm, then I'll have all the parts

BDIJXS aol.com wrote:
>
> Eric,
>
> Marino is the man with the part numbers to fix the steering shaft, at least
> the U-joint end. Should cost under $50 if you can do it yourself. I recently
> did this, and will doing it again soon on my 76....the Spicer parts are
> awesome. It takes a little cutting, etc, but nothing too major.
>
> Also, regarding your draglink, try Superlift, they have a real nice dropdown
> unit that is fully adjustable and bolts right in....but, as usual, its gonna
> cost ya'......I'm guessing around $180.
>
> I just installed a 4" lift on a 78, and this dropdown unit worked awesome. It
> seemed like it would put a lot less stress on those knuckle bolts compared to
> the block method.
>
> Hope this helps!!!!
>
> CJ
>
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:01:42 -0500
From: "Brett Yerks"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 F250 4x4 Steering

Yes, the 77-79 pitman arm will work. I did the conversion on my 76 and used
the 77-79 arm with no problems.

Brett
76 F250 4x4
78 F250 4x4 Supercab
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.superford.org/fbird



> I'm am doing the P.S steering conversion on my 74 f250 Highboy 4x4 and
> I'm wondering since the truck is a highboy with the factory 4" lift,
> will the regular pitman arm off another 77-79 f250 4x4 work.
>
> Thanks
> Kirk Baillie
> I think I finally located a pitman arm, then I'll have all the parts


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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:49:04 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - rims

This is what the off road guys tell me. They like the balloon effect but
there is a safe margin you have to keep in mind too. I've put 12.5x33x15's
on 6" rims but this is certainly not safe. If you put them on an overly
wide rim you risk blowing the bead almost as easily as on too narrow which
is why I suggested asking a tire installer. I'm very familiar with the
12.5x33x15 size and it's requirments and the 11x33x15 is similar but
actually should be on the 8" rim etc.. I'm extrapolating for the smaller
sizes :-)

There is actually a pretty fair margin which is safe but be safe and ask an
installer, then compare to our advice and then make a decision :-)

As to diameter that depends on the truck to a great extent but 30" tires
should be a snap as should the 9.50 width except for potential back spacing
problems. The way I determined what would fit my truck was to grab one and
slam it under there for a test.....33's don't fit a 2wd, 78 pickup, sorry,
but they fit a bronco with room to spare :-( Often, backspacing is the
thing that causes the problem, not the tire width by itself.

Just for kicks I tried one of my 23R75-15's on the bird and found that there
was considerable differnce between the same darned size with a 70 instead of
75. Actually I think they are 215R70-15's on the bird and there was no way
the truck tires would fit in the fenders. The truck tires are 29" and the
car tires were only 26.5 and, along with 20mm width difference that was
enough to keep them out of there :-) I had some pretty big tires on my 67
with plenty of room but I won't try to tell someone they will fit a 61 cuz I
don't know for sure.

- --
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167
- --

> Okay ... so what did you say for the 9.5's ? Diameter
> should match rim
> diameter, no questions there ... you sayin you want 2"
> narrower rim than
> tire ?
>
> > Back spacing would be the only problem you might
> encounter. The diameter
> > should be fine.
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:51:32 -0700
From: Brett Withers
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 21st Century FE

I am about to start an on new adventure. I want to build a computer
controlled, fuel injected FE to replace the 351M in my 78 Bronco. I like
the 351M but it gets about the same mileage as my 352 without all the bottom
end torque I get from the 352. Has anyone ever attempted this? Any ideas
about who to contact about a computer, fuel injection system etc. The
mechanical are easy, but the electronics and the fuel injection are not.
Besides these items do you guys see any other monsters that are lurking
around the corner to squash my dream. If I can squeeze 18 mpg average out
of this experiment I will be very happy since no matter how I tune the 351 I
get 12 mpg and the 352 averages 11.
Any info will be appreciated. Thanks

RBW
65 F-100 352 police interceptor
74 Bronco 302
78 Bronco 351M

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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 13:18:46 -0600
From: William Whited
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 21st Century FE

Holley has a system. The have web page and are currently sending me some on
their stuff. But is supposively for the FE. The page I believe is

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLine/ProdSlct/AV/Ford/FuelInj_352.html

William Whited
F100 Ranger Supercab 390
F150 Custom 460

Brett Withers wrote:

> I am about to start an on new adventure. I want to build a computer
> controlled, fuel injected FE to replace the 351M in my 78 Bronco. I like
> the 351M but it gets about the same mileage as my 352 without all the bottom
> end torque I get from the 352. Has anyone ever attempted this? Any ideas
> about who to contact about a computer, fuel injection system etc. The
> mechanical are easy, but the electronics and the fuel injection are not.
> Besides these items do you guys see any other monsters that are lurking
> around the corner to squash my dream. If I can squeeze 18 mpg average out
> of this experiment I will be very happy since no matter how I tune the 351 I
> get 12 mpg and the 352 averages 11.
> Any info will be appreciated. Thanks
>
> RBW
> 65 F-100 352 police interceptor
> 74 Bronco 302
> 78 Bronco 351M
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:28:31 EDT
From: DRVNDBUS aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - highboy

the height all depends on the leafspring are they new springs or are they
worn out is what makes the differance
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 16:45:36 -0800
From: Matthew Schumacher
Subject: FTE 61-79 - my new web page....

All,

Check out the url for my new web page... :)

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://if.you.dont.drive.a.ford.then.usuck.com

schu
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:44:51 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 21st Century FE

Ive got a mustang monthly floating around somewhere that has a 390 set up
with TPI. Pretty trick setup. I'll see if I can find it for you.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:10:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: canzus seanet.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1300 E-mails....

hi gang, just a quick note to CJ, and the crowd from Seattle,
good to meet ya, really had a good time, last night got 1300 e-mails,
you guy's can sure talk(type) a lot...
I finally got a 1/2 day off, so i spent most of it reading. i haven't
had a 1/2 day off since the Seattle meeting... I went to work after
it and got home about 11:30pm. Haven't had a "short" day since then.
The new conveyor system should be fully functional by mid next week,
and should carry the company output into 2001, when we'll need a
larger building....we're growing at a rate of 28% a year, but the work force
is growing at 6%, which is a good sign.

Obligatory FTE content, I'm thinking of adding power steering and dual
exaust to my 63F100, the problem is the clutch linkage is in the line of fire
for the 312 exhaust manifolds i got at this years Portland swap meet. So
I was planning to use a cable clutch, but the cable I had in mind won't bend
as acutely as I had hoped. Anyone have a line on a cable that will bend on an
eight inch (8") radius??

Also, what is the part # for a '78/79 F250 steering box??




Steve & the Rockette
63 F100
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600, needs tube frame...
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
97 Contour, Mine

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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:10:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: canzus seanet.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - rims correction

At 07:50 AM 20:10:99 -0500, Eric Washburn wrote:
>Sorry, I meant to say 30x9.50. What rim size would ya'll recommend?
>

15X8's I have that size on mine...

Steve & the Rockette
63 F100
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600, needs tube frame...
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
97 Contour, Mine

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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:10:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: canzus seanet.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Speedo Change over

> I can get in trouble with a
>festiva or spitfire so.........:-) I know of a case where a guy got a
>ticket for speeding on a bicycle.......:-(
>

that's happened to me, but I didn't get a ticket, (I was 15 yo)
near the school I went to in Toronto, there was a long semi-steep
grade, I used to pass most of the cars going down it, 25mph zone.
One day there was a cop there, Oops, He pulled me over and
demanded the "license and registration". Then proceeded to chew
my butt out for "reckless endangerment" of my own life.

Being 15yo I figured I was incapable of dying.....

Steve & the Rockette
63 F100
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600, needs tube frame...
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
97 Contour, Mine

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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:10:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: canzus seanet.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - distributor

At 08:15 AM 20:10:99 -0500, William S. Hart wrote:
>
> > With the exception of the windsor, all the other larger engines take the
> > same dizzy.
>
>
>The FE also has a different dizzy.

the guts are the same for all dizzys, the bodies are the difference...
Steve & the Rockette
63 F100
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600, needs tube frame...
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
97 Contour, Mine

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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:35:22 EDT
From: Brazzadog aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 78 F250 4x4 Steering

ETRMK aol.com wrote:

>The stock steering shaft on my 78 F250 4x4 is .... well... long overdue for
>replacement. First i asked a friend about buying a stock replacement and he
>said if i went that route i would end up paying a pretty penny for it...and
>the stock ones dont last very long anyway. My mom works for a FORD
dealership
>here in town, and i can get oem parts for 10% above cost.. so i went down to
>check on the price... it was obsolete of course.Then i went to a custom 4x4
>shop near me and when i asked if they had one in stock... the owner just
>looked at me with an ear to ear grin and said, "good luck" :-) He said that
>he could fab me up an assembly with needle bearing u joints on either end
but
>itll be to the tune of about 2-250 bucks. Has anyone bought one of those
>Borgeson shafts that i see all the time in 4x4 mags? And if so, how much do
>they cost?
(snip)

Eric-

Replacing the entire shaft is probably an unneccessary expense since the
joints at the ends can be replaced individually. Borgeson can sell you
u-joints the same length that will bolt right in - at least that's what they
tell me. My recollection is that their shaft/joint assembly is in excess of
$250. There are cheaper solutions. The u-joint at the upper end can
probably be replaced with a stock part, although mine is fine and I haven't
checked. The most frequent problem is the joint at the lower end with the
rubber boot over it. I can't remember it's correct name but it's kinda bell
shaped so that's what I call it. Anyway, you can replace that part for $35
from Crown Autoparts through one of their distributors such as Specialty
Parts or Olympic 4x4
. The other option is to take the joint
apart and rotate the blocks 90 degrees (to put new bearing surfaces into
play) and put it back together. That will at least buy you some time until
you figure out how you want to spend your money.

Ben Williams
'78 F-250
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:37:43 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 21st Century FE

I found the article. Its an awesome setup. They are running about 600 hp
out of it, and expect about 32 mpg in a stang with OD, and a 3.50 rear gear.
The system is not for the average mech. You can buy the harness from
Federal-Mogul Perf, Its called the speed pro system. It includes the ECM,
main harness, injector harness, laptop comm cable, and tuning software. You
must supply an intake machined and bunged for injectors, injectors, o2
sensors, coolant temp sensors, MAP sensor, throttle position sensor, air temp
sensor, idle air control motor, fuel rails, fuel pressure regulator, fuel
pump, and a throttle body. Sound like fun? This isnt even the maximum
system yet, says future plans include an 02 sensor for each cylinder to
maximize the single cylinder tuneability the system already has. Talk about
Hi tech. If you need any more info, either locate the May 99 issue of
Mustang Monthly, or E-mail me, and I'll relay a bit more detail. The sources
listed in the mag are:

Coast High Performance
Dept MF
2070 Del Amo Blvd
Torrence, CA 90501
(310) 781-1441
www.coasthigh.com

Federal-Mogul Performance
Speed Pro
Dept MF
PO Box 1966
Detroit, MI 48235
www.goracing.com/federalmogul


Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:58:42 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - distributor

351c, 351m,400,429 and 460 distributors will interchange,
351w distributor only fits the 351w
all fe's are same
260,289,302 ,boss 302 will interchange
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:11:53 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Motors for sale

Hey guys, I found these in my local paper and thought someone might be
interested.
1973 390 with C6 tranny can hear it run $325 cash
1967 429 and C6 tranny can hear it run 325 cash

Contact me by email for a phone number.

Jason Kendrick
Creston, Iowa
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:10:08 -0400
From: "Phil Maher"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Early 88 Bronco Hubs

Anyone know what's needed to change over from flange type hubs to real hubs
on an early 88 Bronco? Ford says parts are not available for the flange type
hubs, all you can get is the complete hub assembly for $200 each.Thanks Phil


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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:22:39 -0400
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 78 F250 4x4 Steering

Here they are again boys--

Spicer Steering Parts--

10-40431SX
5-170X
10-4-13

That is both yokes, and a greasable universal that will replace worn out
U-joints in the steering shafts on F-150 and F-250 4x4's. Price should be
under $50 dollars from any auto parts store that carries spicer parts.

Minor work required, when you get the parts, but it's self explanatory.
Myself and a few other "OLD dogs () have done it already with no
problems!

Tony
tony pscico.com
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:24:26 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Speedo Change over

Yeah, I went to school with a guy that got a speeding ticket in a Steiger
4WD agricultural tractor pulling a folded disk in a 35 MPH zone in a small
town in Montana.

Tom

> ----------
> From: canzus seanet.com[SMTP:canzus seanet.com]
> Reply To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 1999 9:10 PM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Cc: '61-79-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Speedo Change over
>
> > I can get in trouble with a
> >festiva or spitfire so.........:-) I know of a case where a guy got a
> >ticket for speeding on a bicycle.......:-(
> >
>
> that's happened to me, but I didn't get a ticket, (I was 15 yo)
> near the school I went to in Toronto, there was a long semi-steep
> grade, I used to pass most of the cars going down it, 25mph zone.
> One day there was a cop there, Oops, He pulled me over and
> demanded the "license and registration". Then proceeded to chew
> my butt out for "reckless endangerment" of my own life.
>
> Being 15yo I figured I was incapable of dying.....
>
> Steve & the Rockette
> 63 F100
> 72 Capri 2000, hers
> 73 Capri 2600, needs tube frame...
> 73 MGB GT, Our Toy
> 94 SHO, SWMBO's
> 97 Contour, Mine
>
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 00:35:59 -0400
From: "Jim and Liisa Tino"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE 61-79 64 F - I dunno

Robert;

Buy it.

Probably what you were looking at was a F100 - they have the
292. I know, because I asked that question recently on this
list, and got all kinds of info.

My 292 runs good, and has been doing so for years now. I
haven't had any problem getting parts. The engine is a bit
of a dog in terms of acceleration (i.e., no pick-up at all),
but it has plenty of torque for pulling/hauling. Runs fine
on the highway - I get about 15+ mpg.

One thing to look at would be the tranny. Mine has a 4 on
the floor, with a "creeper" gear in the first shift
position. That means you drive it like a 3-speed (2-3-4),
and use #1 for hauling, etc. Kinda cool. I have heard
(although have not seen) that the 292 came with a regular
3-speed (on the "tree") as well. Don't know if that's true.

If you plan to drive it around regularly, you will either
want to add seat belts, or pad the dash, or both. 64 F100's
came with the "killer" all-steel dash.

$200 is a deal for anything that runs!

- -- Jim

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:58:07 -0400
From: Tony Marino
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Yet more Speedo questions! (transfer cases)

Ok, So I can accept the fact that my NP205 divorced might be a boat anchor.
I have a spare Spicer/Dana-24 in good shape as I have mentioned for my F-250.....


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