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 ford-trucks.com (61-79-list-digest) To: 61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com Subject: 61-79-list-digest V3 #382 Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Sender: owner-61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com Errors-To: owner-61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com Precedence: bulk 61-79-list-digest Thursday, October 21 1999 Volume 03 : Number 382 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: RE: FTE 61-79 - distributor FTE 61-79 - RE: Speedo Change over RE: FTE 61-79 - 78 F250 4x4 Steering RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Speedo Change over RE: FTE 61-79 - Edelbrock Intake/Bearing Adj./Holley-Carter FTE 61-79 - Re:78 F-250 4x4 steering FTE 61-79 - engine swap FTE 61-79 - rims FTE 61-79 - NOS Frame Clips FTE 61-79 - rims correction FTE 61-79 - radiator support mounts RE: FTE 61-79 - distributor RE: FTE 61-79 - engine swap Re: FTE 61-79 - '78 Bronco hub/rotor FTE 61-79 - 78 F250 4x4 Steering FTE 61-79 - '78 Bronco hub/rotor FTE 61-79 - OK some more VIN numbers Re: FTE 61-79 - NOS Frame Clips FTE 61-79 - Duraspark/Ballast resistor? FTE 61-79 - highboy RE: FTE 61-79 - rims Re: FTE 61-79 - highboy RE: FTE 61-79 - 1964, F-600 questions... RE: FTE 61-79 - rims FTE 61-79 - '78 Bronco hub/rotor Re: FTE 61-79 - highboy Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 F250 4x4 Steering Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 F250 4x4 Steering RE: FTE 61-79 - rims FTE 61-79 - 21st Century FE Re: FTE 61-79 - 21st Century FE Re: FTE 61-79 - highboy FTE 61-79 - my new web page.... Re: FTE 61-79 - 21st Century FE FTE 61-79 - 1300 E-mails.... Re: FTE 61-79 - rims correction RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Speedo Change over RE: FTE 61-79 - distributor FTE 61-79 - Re: 78 F250 4x4 Steering FTE 61-79 - 21st Century FE Re: FTE 61-79 - distributor FTE 61-79 - Motors for sale FTE 61-79 - Early 88 Bronco Hubs Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 78 F250 4x4 Steering RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Speedo Change over FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE 61-79 64 F - I dunno FTE 61-79 - Yet more Speedo questions! (transfer cases) FTE 61-79 - Heavy Truck Engines ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 06:14:14 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - distributor With the exception of the windsor, all the other larger engines take the same dizzy. Where you will find considerable differences is in the mechanical advance springs and cam range. Trust me this part does not interchage between engines very well. A 351M dizzy will fit a 460 but will not allow the engine to get it's full potential from the timing etc.. Due to the windsor's deck height I suspect it takes a differnt length but not sure on that. I know for a fact that the 302 is different and FE's are too I believe. Lots of words to say....351M/400 and 429/460 use the same dizzy and maybe a few others as well :-) - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > Said he thinks it was for a 351 - but doesn't know which. > Can anybody out > there help. I know it's for a 1970 Full Size Ford by the > DOAF, but can > anybody else help with the rest. It's a Motorcraft DOAF > 12131-A (or > 12L31-A) S-8 with a single black wire, points and condensor == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 06:17:16 -0400 From: "George W. Selby, III" Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Speedo Change over My business partner and I purchased a Firebird (we sold it) a couple of years back, and it had one of the custom digital dashes you can buy in the Summit catalog. Hate to say it, but it looked incredibly tacky. The LED's looked like late 70's technology, and the rest wasn't much better. I have had two and currently own one car with a digi dash, but to tell the truth I prefer the analog for reading ease. (The 300ZX reads 0-3-10-20-27-35-47-59-70 as you are accelerating, so its kinda hard to judge when to stop accelerating.) The Audi was the best, the two Nissans are not as good, but the 300ZX's is better than the 200SX (Guess that's why it costs more) But in all three the tach reads in 200 rpm increments, too coarse for good shifting. My Ford Truck has analog guages, and I added a cheap tach for kicks I don't really like going faster than 85 in it, so the 85 mph guage is fine, faster just gets me in trouble, besides, by the time I hit 50 most people are far behind me and covering their ears from the wail. George Selby 78 F-150 400M, 4 on floor, 4x4 86 Nissan 300ZX 82 Jeep Cherokee 85 Dodge W-100 jumbofordman earthlink.net PS: If anybody wants a 86 Nissan 200SX that was totally underwater for a couple of days and had a blown engine before that, give me a e-mail. Just kidding, I'm hauling it to the junkyard. Also have a 76 T-bird with a 429 in similar circumstances, motor had huge rod knock before the hurricane/flood Floyd, now has slight water damage (was totally submerged.) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 06:50:21 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 78 F250 4x4 Steering Key factors to keep in mind are that the track bar and drag link should be parallel to each other and, ideally, parallel with the ground as well. Obviously the more angle you have the more stress will be placed on the end joints of the drag link so a droped pitman arm is usually used. Problem with this is that it necessitates the dropping of the frame track arm mount to keep them parallel so kits usually come with this bracket as well. From a purist stand point the track arm and drag link should be parallel with the axle or ground for the least "Bump steer" but typically they have a fair angle to the ground even when stock so it's all relative. More angle, more bump steer. Out of parallel, more bump steer and other problems as well. To add insult to the injury, lifting the vehicle with no change to the track bar puts the rear wheels out of "track" with the front. 4" lift will move it a small amount but it all adds up to handling changes that you can sometimes actually feel depending on how many things are not quite lined up right. Your steering lock problem is due to the drag link being pulled to the left as you raise the chassis from the axle.......unless you also drop the track bar and pitman pivot location. I call this condition "Dog Tracking" because it causes the vehicle to go down the road slightly sideways which wears the tires, scrubs off some HP and reduces economy. I've seen truck going down the road where the dog tracking was very obvious. Adjustable track bars and drag links will solve the loc to loc problem but you will still have some handling changes you may not like if you don't correct the other things too. Just for your own information, next time you have the pitman arm off, check the center of the steering wheel to the center of the box. Turn it lock to lock (linkage must be disconnected for this test) and find the center of movement and see if the wheel is absolutely straight across (horizontal) at this location. If not, correct it now then try to adjust the other steering components to get it back to center when traveling down the road in a straight line. An adjustable drag link can do it all by itself but to get the front axle in alignment with the rear you may need an adjustable track bar as well. What this excercise does it get the steering box back to center where the clearances are the tightest for straight line driving and better handling. Once you have the steering wheel where it belongs you should never change it again, but correct the other parts to keep it there. - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > of course when i did it changed steering geometry. The kit > came with a 2 in > riser block that fits beetween the steering arm and the > knuckle, but it > doesnt complete the correction. I cant even come close to > turning to the > right as far as i can turn to the left, and ive already fried > the rear joint > on the new draglink i bought last yr. The guy at the shop > said that he could > fab a new drag link that has the tie rod ends inverted and is also > adjustable. Anyone else done this lift on a similar rig? and > if so what did > you do to make the correction? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 06:55:59 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Speedo Change over I totally sympathize with you George but the 240 mph speedo is really cool for the conversation factor :-) First people see that then they want to see the engine :-) It's not on the top of my priority list but is still there as one of the "Fun" things I'd like to do :-) I can get in trouble with a festiva or spitfire so.........:-) I know of a case where a guy got a ticket for speeding on a bicycle.......:-( - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > I don't really like going faster than > 85 in it, so > the 85 mph guage is fine, faster just gets me in trouble, == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 07:36:36 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Edelbrock Intake/Bearing Adj./Holley-Carter Apparently the aluminum manifolds on FE's are a problem due to the thin front and rear rails and the way the dizzy fits through the manifold causing alignment problems. For 50 bucks I'd give it a shot but pay attention to these areas when you put it together. Sorry, the pin is in the inner nut, not the ring so it doesn't matter :-) Didn't eat my wheaties that day so my brain was out of sync....:-) Again, though, since the spec allows up to 0.010" free play I don't think this is a real issue, just rotate the nut till it fits the nearest hole, torque, test and redo as necessary. When the next tightest position takes out all the free play and there was free play in the last position, I leave it and call it good :-) Remember, disk brakes require tighter tolerances and less free play than drums so with these I shoot for zero. With drums I'm a little less fussy but zero will work there as well :-) When I say zero I mean by my "feel" with tire installed. By the time you over come the grease to get this feel there is still some mechanical free play in the bearing so it is still in spec. If you test with the wheel off you can't get enough leverage on the hub to get a "good" feel IMHO, especially in winter, in a cold shop, when the grease is very stiff :-) - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > Anybody running a Edelbrock intake on thier FE? > Any problems? > Only thing that guy selling knows is that it is a single 4bbl manifold > off a 390,it is in "excellent"condition and he wants $50. > I realize some mods will be nessarary to linkage etc. > with the hole in lock ring I pull just the ring out and flip it over. > Some times it works,sometimes it doesn't == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 07:52:38 -0400 From: Steve Schaefer Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:78 F-250 4x4 steering Someone had the part # for a universal with yokes to replace the factory one. The yokes need to be welded to the shaft. I think the total price was under $50. Another choice is to search the local boneyards (this is what I did). You may get lucky. As for the drag link, they make dropped drag links. They are adjustable from 3-5". It has a lifetime guarantee and was $119. Look in any 4wd magazine. When you correct the steering, the truck will be a dream to drive again. Steve S. 77 F-250 Supercab (Yellow/purple) 76 F-350 Crewcab flatbed http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Shop/8663/ > > The stock steering shaft on my 78 F250 4x4 is .... > the owner just > looked at me with an ear to ear grin and said, "good luck" :-) He said that > he could fab me up an assembly with needle bearing u joints on either end but > itll be to the tune of about 2-250 bucks. Has anyone bought one of those > Borgeson shafts that i see all the time in 4x4 mags? And if so, how much do > they cost? Also... i put in a 4in suspension kit from trailmaster last year.. > of course when i did it changed steering geometry. The kit came with a 2 in > riser block that fits beetween the steering arm and the knuckle, but it > doesnt complete the correction. I cant even come close to turning to the > right as far as i can turn to the left, and ive already fried the rear joint > on the new draglink i bought last yr. > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 07:42:14 -0500 From: "Eric Washburn" Subject: FTE 61-79 - engine swap Sorry, I forgot to say exactly what I need to know. I want to put a fue-injected 300 to replace my '67's 240. I know It will drop right in. I need to know about the wiring. Such as do I need to get the computer, etc. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 07:43:37 -0500 From: "Eric Washburn" Subject: FTE 61-79 - rims Can I put 15x8 rims on my truck? I was wanting to know so I can put on 10.5x30 BFGoodrich tires on my '67 F100. I've got the original rims. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:34:09 -0400 From: "J. Doss Halsey" Subject: FTE 61-79 - NOS Frame Clips Stockman: >I am hopeful someone will have a suggestion for the frame clips which secure >the brake and fuel lines to the frame on a 1966 F-250. try Green Sales in Cincinnati, OH (513) 731-3304 They will help you find a Ford Part number for those clips, and if they don't have them, they will point you to the nationwide network of Ford dealers who still have NOS parts on their shelves. It is a little more expensive, but this route has paid off for me several times for obscure parts, namely a 390 flywheel, NP435 backup light switch, and new retaining clips for the front springs. Good luck. Doss Halsey '68 F-250, camper special, 390, ranger trim == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 07:50:12 -0500 From: "Eric Washburn" Subject: FTE 61-79 - rims correction Sorry, I meant to say 30x9.50. What rim size would ya'll recommend? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:43:05 -0400 From: "J. Doss Halsey" Subject: FTE 61-79 - radiator support mounts Joe, >anybody know of where i can get the metal parts of the radiator support mounts?? Do you mean the bolts and washers that hold the radiator support to the frame? If so, Dennis Carpenter has a reproduction kit compete with the rubber. Doss Halsey '68 F-250 camper special, '73 radiator support (hope they don't notice in the concours competition) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:15:23 -0500 From: "William S. Hart" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - distributor > With the exception of the windsor, all the other larger engines take the > same dizzy. The FE also has a different dizzy. Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 4.6L 73ish F100 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:23:53 -0500 From: "William S. Hart" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - engine swap > Sorry, I forgot to say exactly what I need to know. I want to put a > fue-injected 300 to replace my '67's 240. I know It will drop right in. I > need to know about the wiring. Such as do I need to get the > computer, etc. Hey no problem. The answer is "yes, you will need a computer" wihtout the computer you won't be able to figure the mixtures and such and the truck might run at idle, or WOT, but will not run otherwise I'm sure ... Your best bet would be to get a parts truck from the salvage yard (preferrably a roll-over or other accident, not a burned one :) and just strip the wiring out of it and mount it all in your truck ... kind of a pain, but will be the cleanest you can probably get ... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 4.6L 73ish F100 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 09:35:35 -0400 From: James Oxley Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '78 Bronco hub/rotor Tony Marino wrote: > > Hey Guys-- > > Except for that strange setup in 'late '87 and early 88 on fullsize 4x4 (with > different hub assy.) the hubs are all the same from 67-96. (and rotors from > '73-96). Surprise your parts guys at the autostores when you get a price of $65 > dollars a piece for rotors for a '93 F-150 4x4, and you tell them you want to buy > them for a '78 F-150 4x4 instead for $35 bucks.... Same exact thing-- my '93 > tells me so! 8-) > AFAIK, the biggest change from 78-96 (from spindles out, knuckle IS different after 79) was the caliper mount. They switched to the pins with the rubber center in the mid 80's or so. Otherwise, everyhting else should be the same. Not sure about rotors on 94 up Broncos, as they came with 4wheel ABS. OX == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:09:11 EDT From: BDIJXS aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - 78 F250 4x4 Steering Eric, Marino is the man with the part numbers to fix the steering shaft, at least the U-joint end. Should cost under $50 if you can do it yourself. I recently did this, and will doing it again soon on my 76....the Spicer parts are awesome. It takes a little cutting, etc, but nothing too major. Also, regarding your draglink, try Superlift, they have a real nice dropdown unit that is fully adjustable and bolts right in....but, as usual, its gonna cost ya'......I'm guessing around $180. I just installed a 4" lift on a 78, and this dropdown unit worked awesome. It seemed like it would put a lot less stress on those knuckle bolts compared to the block method. Hope this helps!!!! CJ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:09:17 EDT From: BDIJXS aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - '78 Bronco hub/rotor Hey, In my limited experience, I'm SURE the 76-79 F-150 4x4's and the 78-79 Broncos have the same hub/spindle parts. Earlier F-150's seemed for the most part to have drum fronts, but from what I've read here, discs were an option earlier. I'm not sure if these earlier versions would work because the other difference that I THINK started in 76 was the integral power steering, and these seemed to use steering knuckles that accepted bigger tapers for the tie rods.... Hope this helps! CJ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:07:34 +0800 From: "David and Cherie" Subject: FTE 61-79 - OK some more VIN numbers I have just spent all day dismantling my F 350 for rebuilding. I am curious to the VIN numbers (although here in Australia we didn't get VIN numbers until late 80's). I think I have cracked the Australian Compliance tag but I have found on the Chassis 2 extra sets of numbers. They are, one set on the top of the rear cab mount on what to you yanks would be the drivers side (left), It is 37TA 5A111-A The other number is on the right side on top of the chassis rail just behind the radiator support panel where it bolts to the chassis, It is, FD3987S The last letter could be a 5 but I think its an S. So what can you all tell me about this, I would assume since they were all built in America you all might know more than me. A couple of clue's, Its a 1968, F350, Dana 70 rear, 240 six as standard. Your help would be most apprecative. Regards David, West Australia. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:32:59 EDT From: TBeeee aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - NOS Frame Clips In a message dated 10/20/99 8:52:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, halsey isl-inc.com writes: > > try Green Sales in Cincinnati, OH Called them first....negatory. Thanks for the help anyway. Stock Man 1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (HELP!---I need 15 x5 factory rims) 1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd 1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flare Side http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hometown.aol.com/tbeeee == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 06:48:17 -0800 From: "4Travis" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Duraspark/Ballast resistor? Hi during my restoration/rebuild of my 74F250 FWD I coverted the ignition from points to the Ford Dura-Spark II system. Is it neccesary to use a ballast resistor with the electronic ignition? This is on a 300 I6 but that shouldn't make any differance... Geffrey Travis 96 F350 PSD crew cab 81 F250 Geesermobile 74 F250 "Highboy" 96 HD Road King 97 HD Wide Glide == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:20:07 -0500 From: "Brett Yerks" Subject: FTE 61-79 - highboy Hi, I've got a favor to ask of anyone with a mid 70's highboy with the stock suspension. Could you please measure from the top of each axle to the bottom of the frame. I'm trying to figure out how much, if any, suspension lift my 76 may have. Thanks, Brett 76 F250 4x4 78 F250 4x4 Supercab http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.superford.org/fbird == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:44:52 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - rims Back spacing would be the only problem you might encounter. The diameter should be fine. If I already had the 8" rims I would not hesitate to put 9.50's on those but if you have to buy new ones 7" might be better. Stock "H" size or 235R75's go on 6 or 6.5" most of the time and these are about 8.00 or 8.50 cross section. 12.5's will fit on 8 or 10 inch rims but everyone seems to feel the 8" work better for these. I have them on 10" and don't see any problem but the ride is stiff. 8" in my case might make the ride a tad softer from what the gang has been saying :-) Based on this I recommend the above but you should ask a tire installer what they recommend for this combination to be sure. I don't have a chart in front of me :-) Remember the 9.50 does not represent the tread as many people believe, it actually represents the widest part of the side wall cross section. - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > Can I put 15x8 rims on my truck? I was wanting to know so I can put on > 10.5x30 BFGoodrich tires on my '67 F100. I've got the original rims. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:50:45 -0400 From: James Oxley Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - highboy Brett Yerks wrote: > > Hi, I've got a favor to ask of anyone with a mid 70's highboy with the stock > suspension. Could you please measure from the top of each axle to the > bottom of the frame. I'm trying to figure out how much, if any, suspension > lift my 76 may have. > NJ checks bottom of door to ground height on ay lifted truck. They claim older 1/2 tons (30 inch tire) are 20 inches. 3/4-1 tons are 21 (which I think is low) and high boys (pre-78) are 24. I just picked up a 79 F-350 and it has 265/75 R16 tires on it. Susp is stock and it measures 22. OX == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 09:01:42 -0700 From: Scott grossen Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 1964, F-600 questions... You can never be over powered when it comes to equipment, my uncle used to use a 429 to pump water in place of a briggs and stratton. it was kind of impressive to see that 429 wrapped out to 6000 rpm for hours on end until the cheap headers melted off. so as for long term durability i think they hold up pretty good. p.s. the engine was out of a marquis that had 100000 mi. and it was never touched. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:59:53 -0500 From: "William S. Hart" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - rims Okay ... so what did you say for the 9.5's ? Diameter should match rim diameter, no questions there ... you sayin you want 2" narrower rim than tire ? > Back spacing would be the only problem you might encounter. The diameter > should be fine. If I already had the 8" rims I would not hesitate to put > 9.50's on those but if you have to buy new ones 7" might be > better. Stock > "H" size or 235R75's go on 6 or 6.5" most of the time and these are about > 8.00 or 8.50 cross section. > > 12.5's will fit on 8 or 10 inch rims but everyone seems to feel > the 8" work > better for these. I have them on 10" and don't see any problem > but the ride > is stiff. 8" in my case might make the ride a tad softer from > what the gang > has been saying :-) Based on this I recommend the above but you > should ask > a tire installer what they recommend for this combination to be sure. I > don't have a chart in front of me :-) > > Remember the 9.50 does not represent the tread as many people believe, it > actually represents the widest part of the side wall cross section. > > > Can I put 15x8 rims on my truck? I was wanting to know so I can put on > > 10.5x30 BFGoodrich tires on my '67 F100. I've got the original rims. > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:05:36 EDT From: Brazzadog aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - '78 Bronco hub/rotor Thanks all for your help. That's pretty fantastic interchangablity. The power of the list comes through again. : ) Ben Williams '78 F-250 Tony Marino wrote: >Except for that strange setup in 'late '87 and early 88 on fullsize 4x4 (with >different hub assy.) the hubs are all the same from 67-96. (and rotors from >'73-96). Surprise your parts guys at the autostores when you get a price of $65 >dollars a piece for rotors for a '93 F-150 4x4, and you tell them you want to buy >them for a '78 F-150 4x4 instead for $35 bucks.... Same exact thing-- my '93 >tells me so! 8-) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:11:33 -0500 From: "Brett Yerks" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - highboy Thats a problem though, door to ground height takes into account the tire size, and I have 38's. I'd just like to know if the leafs I have in there now give me any, or how much, lift over what they were stock. Brett > Brett Yerks wrote: > > > > Hi, I've got a favor to ask of anyone with a mid 70's highboy with the stock > > suspension. Could you please measure from the top of each axle to the > > bottom of the frame. I'm trying to figure out how much, if any, suspension > > lift my 76 may have. > > > > NJ checks bottom of door to ground height on ay lifted truck. They > claim older 1/2 tons (30 inch tire) are 20 inches. 3/4-1 tons are 21 > (which I think is low) and high boys (pre-78) are 24. I just picked up a > 79 F-350 and it has 265/75 R16 tires on it. Susp is stock and it > measures 22. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:50:18 -0600 From: Kirk Baillie Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 F250 4x4 Steering I'm am doing the P.S steering conversion on my 74 f250 Highboy 4x4 and I'm wondering since the truck is a highboy with the factory 4" lift, will the regular pitman arm off another 77-79 f250 4x4 work. Thanks Kirk Baillie I think I finally located a pitman arm, then I'll have all the parts BDIJXS aol.com wrote: > > Eric, > > Marino is the man with the part numbers to fix the steering shaft, at least > the U-joint end. Should cost under $50 if you can do it yourself. I recently > did this, and will doing it again soon on my 76....the Spicer parts are > awesome. It takes a little cutting, etc, but nothing too major. > > Also, regarding your draglink, try Superlift, they have a real nice dropdown > unit that is fully adjustable and bolts right in....but, as usual, its gonna > cost ya'......I'm guessing around $180. > > I just installed a 4" lift on a 78, and this dropdown unit worked awesome. It > seemed like it would put a lot less stress on those knuckle bolts compared to > the block method. > > Hope this helps!!!! > > CJ > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:01:42 -0500 From: "Brett Yerks" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 F250 4x4 Steering Yes, the 77-79 pitman arm will work. I did the conversion on my 76 and used the 77-79 arm with no problems. Brett 76 F250 4x4 78 F250 4x4 Supercab http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.superford.org/fbird > I'm am doing the P.S steering conversion on my 74 f250 Highboy 4x4 and > I'm wondering since the truck is a highboy with the factory 4" lift, > will the regular pitman arm off another 77-79 f250 4x4 work. > > Thanks > Kirk Baillie > I think I finally located a pitman arm, then I'll have all the parts == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:49:04 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - rims This is what the off road guys tell me. They like the balloon effect but there is a safe margin you have to keep in mind too. I've put 12.5x33x15's on 6" rims but this is certainly not safe. If you put them on an overly wide rim you risk blowing the bead almost as easily as on too narrow which is why I suggested asking a tire installer. I'm very familiar with the 12.5x33x15 size and it's requirments and the 11x33x15 is similar but actually should be on the 8" rim etc.. I'm extrapolating for the smaller sizes :-) There is actually a pretty fair margin which is safe but be safe and ask an installer, then compare to our advice and then make a decision :-) As to diameter that depends on the truck to a great extent but 30" tires should be a snap as should the 9.50 width except for potential back spacing problems. The way I determined what would fit my truck was to grab one and slam it under there for a test.....33's don't fit a 2wd, 78 pickup, sorry, but they fit a bronco with room to spare :-( Often, backspacing is the thing that causes the problem, not the tire width by itself. Just for kicks I tried one of my 23R75-15's on the bird and found that there was considerable differnce between the same darned size with a 70 instead of 75. Actually I think they are 215R70-15's on the bird and there was no way the truck tires would fit in the fenders. The truck tires are 29" and the car tires were only 26.5 and, along with 20mm width difference that was enough to keep them out of there :-) I had some pretty big tires on my 67 with plenty of room but I won't try to tell someone they will fit a 61 cuz I don't know for sure. - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco Loving, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > Okay ... so what did you say for the 9.5's ? Diameter > should match rim > diameter, no questions there ... you sayin you want 2" > narrower rim than > tire ? > > > Back spacing would be the only problem you might > encounter. The diameter > > should be fine. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:51:32 -0700 From: Brett Withers Subject: FTE 61-79 - 21st Century FE I am about to start an on new adventure. I want to build a computer controlled, fuel injected FE to replace the 351M in my 78 Bronco. I like the 351M but it gets about the same mileage as my 352 without all the bottom end torque I get from the 352. Has anyone ever attempted this? Any ideas about who to contact about a computer, fuel injection system etc. The mechanical are easy, but the electronics and the fuel injection are not. Besides these items do you guys see any other monsters that are lurking around the corner to squash my dream. If I can squeeze 18 mpg average out of this experiment I will be very happy since no matter how I tune the 351 I get 12 mpg and the 352 averages 11. Any info will be appreciated. Thanks RBW 65 F-100 352 police interceptor 74 Bronco 302 78 Bronco 351M == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 13:18:46 -0600 From: William Whited Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 21st Century FE Holley has a system. The have web page and are currently sending me some on their stuff. But is supposively for the FE. The page I believe is http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLine/ProdSlct/AV/Ford/FuelInj_352.html William Whited F100 Ranger Supercab 390 F150 Custom 460 Brett Withers wrote: > I am about to start an on new adventure. I want to build a computer > controlled, fuel injected FE to replace the 351M in my 78 Bronco. I like > the 351M but it gets about the same mileage as my 352 without all the bottom > end torque I get from the 352. Has anyone ever attempted this? Any ideas > about who to contact about a computer, fuel injection system etc. The > mechanical are easy, but the electronics and the fuel injection are not. > Besides these items do you guys see any other monsters that are lurking > around the corner to squash my dream. If I can squeeze 18 mpg average out > of this experiment I will be very happy since no matter how I tune the 351 I > get 12 mpg and the 352 averages 11. > Any info will be appreciated. Thanks > > RBW > 65 F-100 352 police interceptor > 74 Bronco 302 > 78 Bronco 351M > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:28:31 EDT From: DRVNDBUS aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - highboy the height all depends on the leafspring are they new springs or are they worn out is what makes the differance == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 16:45:36 -0800 From: Matthew Schumacher Subject: FTE 61-79 - my new web page.... All, Check out the url for my new web page... :) http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://if.you.dont.drive.a.ford.then.usuck.com schu == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:44:51 EDT From: JUMPINFORD aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 21st Century FE Ive got a mustang monthly floating around somewhere that has a 390 set up with TPI. Pretty trick setup. I'll see if I can find it for you. Darrell Duggan 74 F-350 "Tweety" == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:10:23 -0700 (PDT) From: canzus seanet.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1300 E-mails.... hi gang, just a quick note to CJ, and the crowd from Seattle, good to meet ya, really had a good time, last night got 1300 e-mails, you guy's can sure talk(type) a lot... I finally got a 1/2 day off, so i spent most of it reading. i haven't had a 1/2 day off since the Seattle meeting... I went to work after it and got home about 11:30pm. Haven't had a "short" day since then. The new conveyor system should be fully functional by mid next week, and should carry the company output into 2001, when we'll need a larger building....we're growing at a rate of 28% a year, but the work force is growing at 6%, which is a good sign. Obligatory FTE content, I'm thinking of adding power steering and dual exaust to my 63F100, the problem is the clutch linkage is in the line of fire for the 312 exhaust manifolds i got at this years Portland swap meet. So I was planning to use a cable clutch, but the cable I had in mind won't bend as acutely as I had hoped. Anyone have a line on a cable that will bend on an eight inch (8") radius?? Also, what is the part # for a '78/79 F250 steering box?? Steve & the Rockette 63 F100 72 Capri 2000, hers 73 Capri 2600, needs tube frame... 73 MGB GT, Our Toy 94 SHO, SWMBO's 97 Contour, Mine == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:10:41 -0700 (PDT) From: canzus seanet.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - rims correction At 07:50 AM 20:10:99 -0500, Eric Washburn wrote: >Sorry, I meant to say 30x9.50. What rim size would ya'll recommend? > 15X8's I have that size on mine... Steve & the Rockette 63 F100 72 Capri 2000, hers 73 Capri 2600, needs tube frame... 73 MGB GT, Our Toy 94 SHO, SWMBO's 97 Contour, Mine == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:10:39 -0700 (PDT) From: canzus seanet.com Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Speedo Change over > I can get in trouble with a >festiva or spitfire so.........:-) I know of a case where a guy got a >ticket for speeding on a bicycle.......:-( > that's happened to me, but I didn't get a ticket, (I was 15 yo) near the school I went to in Toronto, there was a long semi-steep grade, I used to pass most of the cars going down it, 25mph zone. One day there was a cop there, Oops, He pulled me over and demanded the "license and registration". Then proceeded to chew my butt out for "reckless endangerment" of my own life. Being 15yo I figured I was incapable of dying..... Steve & the Rockette 63 F100 72 Capri 2000, hers 73 Capri 2600, needs tube frame... 73 MGB GT, Our Toy 94 SHO, SWMBO's 97 Contour, Mine == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:10:42 -0700 (PDT) From: canzus seanet.com Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - distributor At 08:15 AM 20:10:99 -0500, William S. Hart wrote: > > > With the exception of the windsor, all the other larger engines take the > > same dizzy. > > >The FE also has a different dizzy. the guts are the same for all dizzys, the bodies are the difference... Steve & the Rockette 63 F100 72 Capri 2000, hers 73 Capri 2600, needs tube frame... 73 MGB GT, Our Toy 94 SHO, SWMBO's 97 Contour, Mine == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:35:22 EDT From: Brazzadog aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 78 F250 4x4 Steering ETRMK aol.com wrote: >The stock steering shaft on my 78 F250 4x4 is .... well... long overdue for >replacement. First i asked a friend about buying a stock replacement and he >said if i went that route i would end up paying a pretty penny for it...and >the stock ones dont last very long anyway. My mom works for a FORD dealership >here in town, and i can get oem parts for 10% above cost.. so i went down to >check on the price... it was obsolete of course.Then i went to a custom 4x4 >shop near me and when i asked if they had one in stock... the owner just >looked at me with an ear to ear grin and said, "good luck" :-) He said that >he could fab me up an assembly with needle bearing u joints on either end but >itll be to the tune of about 2-250 bucks. Has anyone bought one of those >Borgeson shafts that i see all the time in 4x4 mags? And if so, how much do >they cost? (snip) Eric- Replacing the entire shaft is probably an unneccessary expense since the joints at the ends can be replaced individually. Borgeson can sell you u-joints the same length that will bolt right in - at least that's what they tell me. My recollection is that their shaft/joint assembly is in excess of $250. There are cheaper solutions. The u-joint at the upper end can probably be replaced with a stock part, although mine is fine and I haven't checked. The most frequent problem is the joint at the lower end with the rubber boot over it. I can't remember it's correct name but it's kinda bell shaped so that's what I call it. Anyway, you can replace that part for $35 from Crown Autoparts through one of their distributors such as Specialty Parts or Olympic 4x4 . The other option is to take the joint apart and rotate the blocks 90 degrees (to put new bearing surfaces into play) and put it back together. That will at least buy you some time until you figure out how you want to spend your money. Ben Williams '78 F-250 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:37:43 EDT From: JUMPINFORD aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - 21st Century FE I found the article. Its an awesome setup. They are running about 600 hp out of it, and expect about 32 mpg in a stang with OD, and a 3.50 rear gear. The system is not for the average mech. You can buy the harness from Federal-Mogul Perf, Its called the speed pro system. It includes the ECM, main harness, injector harness, laptop comm cable, and tuning software. You must supply an intake machined and bunged for injectors, injectors, o2 sensors, coolant temp sensors, MAP sensor, throttle position sensor, air temp sensor, idle air control motor, fuel rails, fuel pressure regulator, fuel pump, and a throttle body. Sound like fun? This isnt even the maximum system yet, says future plans include an 02 sensor for each cylinder to maximize the single cylinder tuneability the system already has. Talk about Hi tech. If you need any more info, either locate the May 99 issue of Mustang Monthly, or E-mail me, and I'll relay a bit more detail. The sources listed in the mag are: Coast High Performance Dept MF 2070 Del Amo Blvd Torrence, CA 90501 (310) 781-1441 www.coasthigh.com Federal-Mogul Performance Speed Pro Dept MF PO Box 1966 Detroit, MI 48235 www.goracing.com/federalmogul Darrell Duggan 74 F-350 "Tweety" == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:58:42 EDT From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - distributor 351c, 351m,400,429 and 460 distributors will interchange, 351w distributor only fits the 351w all fe's are same 260,289,302 ,boss 302 will interchange == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:11:53 -0500 From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Motors for sale Hey guys, I found these in my local paper and thought someone might be interested. 1973 390 with C6 tranny can hear it run $325 cash 1967 429 and C6 tranny can hear it run 325 cash Contact me by email for a phone number. Jason Kendrick Creston, Iowa == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:10:08 -0400 From: "Phil Maher" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Early 88 Bronco Hubs Anyone know what's needed to change over from flange type hubs to real hubs on an early 88 Bronco? Ford says parts are not available for the flange type hubs, all you can get is the complete hub assembly for $200 each.Thanks Phil == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:22:39 -0400 From: Tony Marino Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 78 F250 4x4 Steering Here they are again boys-- Spicer Steering Parts-- 10-40431SX 5-170X 10-4-13 That is both yokes, and a greasable universal that will replace worn out U-joints in the steering shafts on F-150 and F-250 4x4's. Price should be under $50 dollars from any auto parts store that carries spicer parts. Minor work required, when you get the parts, but it's self explanatory. Myself and a few other "OLD dogs () have done it already with no problems! Tony tony pscico.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/~tony == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:24:26 -0700 From: "Hogan, Tom" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Speedo Change over Yeah, I went to school with a guy that got a speeding ticket in a Steiger 4WD agricultural tractor pulling a folded disk in a 35 MPH zone in a small town in Montana. Tom > ---------- > From: canzus seanet.com[SMTP:canzus seanet.com] > Reply To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 1999 9:10 PM > To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com > Cc: '61-79-list ford-trucks.com' > Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Speedo Change over > > > I can get in trouble with a > >festiva or spitfire so.........:-) I know of a case where a guy got a > >ticket for speeding on a bicycle.......:-( > > > > that's happened to me, but I didn't get a ticket, (I was 15 yo) > near the school I went to in Toronto, there was a long semi-steep > grade, I used to pass most of the cars going down it, 25mph zone. > One day there was a cop there, Oops, He pulled me over and > demanded the "license and registration". Then proceeded to chew > my butt out for "reckless endangerment" of my own life. > > Being 15yo I figured I was incapable of dying..... > > Steve & the Rockette > 63 F100 > 72 Capri 2000, hers > 73 Capri 2600, needs tube frame... > 73 MGB GT, Our Toy > 94 SHO, SWMBO's > 97 Contour, Mine > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 00:35:59 -0400 From: "Jim and Liisa Tino" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE 61-79 64 F - I dunno Robert; Buy it. Probably what you were looking at was a F100 - they have the 292. I know, because I asked that question recently on this list, and got all kinds of info. My 292 runs good, and has been doing so for years now. I haven't had any problem getting parts. The engine is a bit of a dog in terms of acceleration (i.e., no pick-up at all), but it has plenty of torque for pulling/hauling. Runs fine on the highway - I get about 15+ mpg. One thing to look at would be the tranny. Mine has a 4 on the floor, with a "creeper" gear in the first shift position. That means you drive it like a 3-speed (2-3-4), and use #1 for hauling, etc. Kinda cool. I have heard (although have not seen) that the 292 came with a regular 3-speed (on the "tree") as well. Don't know if that's true. If you plan to drive it around regularly, you will either want to add seat belts, or pad the dash, or both. 64 F100's came with the "killer" all-steel dash. $200 is a deal for anything that runs! - -- Jim == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:58:07 -0400 From: Tony Marino Subject: FTE 61-79 - Yet more Speedo questions! (transfer cases) Ok, So I can accept the fact that my NP205 divorced might be a boat anchor. I have a spare Spicer/Dana-24 in good shape as I have mentioned for my F-250..... 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