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61-79-list-digest Wednesday, October 20 1999 Volume 03 : Number 381



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In this issue:

RE: FTE 61-79 - 1964, F-600 questions...
RE: FTE 61-79 - 429-460 discussion
RE: FTE 61-79 - Painting
RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Truck 385 series Now How they rev.
RE: FTE 61-79 - stalling problem(kinda long)
RE: FTE 61-79 - tires
Re: FTE 61-79 - In Seattle
FTE 61-79 - It's good to touch the green green grass of home!
RE: FTE 61-79 - W heads
FTE 61-79 - RE: Whos bigger?
FTE 61-79 - It's good to touch the green green grass of home!
RE: FTE 61-79 - It's good to touch the green green grass of home!
FTE 61-79 - 1961 F-100 Power Steering
FTE 61-79 - '70 F-100 Ranger 302 fuel system
FTE 61-79 - flexible tubing?
FTE 61-79 - deacon returns home
FTE 61-79 - Drive Shaft Strength
FTE 61-79 - RE: Truck 385 series Now How they rev.
FTE 61-79 - Ruby gets a diesel powered sibling
FTE 61-79 - speedo change over
RE: FTE 61-79 - '70 F-100 Ranger 302 fuel system
FTE 61-79 - Re: flexible tubing
Re: FTE 61-79 - It's good to touch the green green grass of home!
RE: FTE 61-79 - speedo change over
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1964, F-600 questions...
RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Truck 385 series Now How they rev.
RE: FTE 61-79 - W heads
FTE 61-79 - '78 Bronco hub/rotor
Re: FTE 61-79 - '78 Bronco hub/rotor
Re: FTE 61-79 - '78 Bronco hub/rotor
Re: FTE 61-79 - '78 Bronco hub/rotor
FTE 61-79 - Re: NOS Ford Hardware
FTE 61-79 - Edelbrock Intake/Bearing Adj./Holley-Carter
FTE 61-79 - 78 F250 4x4 Steering
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1961 F-100 Power Steering
FTE 61-79 - distributor
Re: FTE 61-79 - '78 Bronco hub/rotor

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 07:34:12 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 1964, F-600 questions...

Basically on the road, more or less empty. The curb weight without bed was
over 8000# so I couldn't get farm plates back then. With bed on it and all
equipment I got it up around 11000 or so. When idling around in the woods
and pulling out of mud holes or running my log splitter the mileage went
down to zero :-) BTW, using a 330 to run a log splitter is not a good
choice :-) I don't have a use for it anymore but I'd love to have it back
just to have it. It was a cool truck :-)

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Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> 9 mpg empty or full load ?
>
> Bill
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 07:47:13 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 429-460 discussion

I'm sure he believes this but I don't see it myself. I think it's much more
a matter of economy. In trucks they typically use the least engine that
will get the job done and typically long stroke engines have always been the
choice for trucks and have held up well. The 330 FE is a good example as is
the 300, I-6.

In motor homes, which have considerable weight, they use both the 460 and
454 as a general rule. While they are not pulling the same loads as a fully
loaded F-700 the concept is the same I would think?

Perhaps what he's talking about is running hills in lower gears where you
run at sustained higher rpms to get the power you need? Even then we know
some truck pullers who hit 9k rpm at times with the 460 and run the whole
season with no mishaps. I would really like to see more info on this if
someone has it because I really can't see the logic?

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> get back in the swing of things again. I was talking with a
> mechanic friend
> of mine about the reasons that Ford and G**M use the smaller
> stroke engines
> as truck motors. He said that they found the stroke in the
> 460s and 454s to
> be a little too "over center" to be long term reliable. The
> 429s and 427s
> lived longer with sustained loads.
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 07:49:42 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Painting

My suggestion is that you forget bondo and do it with new metal if you plan
to keep it for a while. The best bondo on earth still falls out
eventually.....:-(

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> some advice on bodywork(techniques on sanding, bondo, painting). Any
> webpages or books/videos I can check out that might be
> useful? Also, the
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 07:52:31 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Truck 385 series Now How they rev.

Mass is almost identical if not exactly identical. Pistons are the same
except for compression height, rods are the same but crank is different so
could be a factor, not sure. I still believe the tune has more to do with
it than anything else :-)

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> Could it be the mass of the 460 piston or reciprocating
> assy (crank,
> rods) vs a 429? Lighter mass would rev quicker. What's the
> bore and stroke
> difference between the two?
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:07:25 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - stalling problem(kinda long)

Holleys are made for WOT and can't be beaten for that purpose but at low
speeds, especially just off idle they don't meter as well as a metering rod
type carb and square bores meter less well than spread bores of the same CFM
rating due to smaller primary venturis. Higher velocities cause stronger
impulses in the venturi so control the fuel flow better for better economy
and smoother throttle response. Square bore metering rod designs also have
better metering at low speeds so are better for a truck in most cases.

The holley is modular so has many gaskets and joints to leak and they do so
this is another complaint although mine have not been too much trouble in
that way.

One argument for the metering rod is the motorcycle industry and small
engine sports cars. They all use metering rods and VV carbs for better
throttle response with small engines and also get pretty darned good economy
due to this. Small engines generate small volume flow at low speeds so need
all the help they can get to control fuel mixture at these settings for
smooth throttle response. The VV design aids in this as does the metering
rod which meters fuel relative to the opening of the venturi which is, in
turn, controlled by vacuum.

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> Well as for that, a good friend of mine curses the word
> holley but has yet to
> give me a good reason why,,
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:12:06 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - tires

I've been guily of buying only the tires that are worn out before when money
was an issue but now I rotate my tires so they all wear out at the same time
and last much longer as well. My daughter has 40k miles on her 97 f-150 now
and the tires still look like new :-) I don't worry too much about mileage,
I just rotate them at every oil change and I change oil when I get around to
it......:-) (roughly every 5k miles)

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> Maybe it's time for me to switch up to 33's from my "31's".
> Too bad only the
> rears need changing right now (one has a bubble under the
> tread, the other a
> slow leak). The fronts were changed about 15k ago and are
> still looking fine!
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 05:14:22 -0700
From: Mike Pacheco
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - In Seattle

Sign me up for the meeting in Seattle, Thursday sounds great, let me
know
Mike in Burien
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:13:12 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - It's good to touch the green green grass of home!

Deacon, glad you have got your house (and life) back in order now. About a
year ago, we had a flood in our house after the roof blew off during a
storm. Our loss was not near as big as yours, but still, the contractors
and insurance hassles you described had me feeling pretty blue. My wife
told me, "When it is all done this will just be one of those things that
makes a house a home." Here's hoping your experience will soon be the same
and you'll only be left with a good story to tell.
_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, *_} jstrauss inetport.com
\( Texas Fight!

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:06:21 -0500
From: "Don Yerhot"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - W heads

Wish,
I think you have the shaft mounted FE style rockers confused with the stud
mounted rail style. The pedestal type rockers, used on 351C, 351M, 429,
460's and later W's use a bolt to fasten the rocker to the head as opposed
to a stud used by the early W's. To make it even more confusing, they used a
rail type, which has a slot on the valve side of the rocker that keeps the
rocker/pushrod in alignment, and a non-rail, which used guide plates on the
pushrods.
As far as a cam, I'm just using a CompCam 268, set straight up. I know, it
should ping itself to death. It helps to have it in a fairly light F100, If
I need to haul or pull, I use my F250 with a low compession (8-1)351W.

DonY
65F250-351W
74F100-351W




From: "William S. Hart"


> In 77 they switched from rail
> rockers to
> pedestal and also increased the size of the combustion chamber,


We're talkin W's here right ? The 69's that we have at home have the
pedestal rockers on them ... not the rails like I have in the FE ... they
are non adjustable though ...


> Because of the wedge combustion chamber, these engines can run
> some fairly
> high compression without predetonation. I'm running KB Silvolites with 75
> heads, or about 10.8-1. I get by with 93 octane gas and a can of
> 104 every
> other tank.

What cam do you have on this ? Lots of times builders compensate for
excessive compression using a big cam to "bleed off" the compression ratio a
bit ...


I was running a 71 351C 2V with 9.0-1 that pinged
> like crazy. I
> agree, 351W's are great little engines.
>

Wow, I've never had 9:1 ping ... my 9.6+ (FE) is pinging with too much
advance, but at 8deg initial I can run it without pinging or anything on 89
octane (ethanol)...>

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:18:31 -0400
From: Steve Schaefer
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Whos bigger?

> >
> Lets see:
>
> F-350 - F-150
> 460 - 400
> 33's - 33's
> longbed - shortbed >>
>
> Who's taller????? =P

Heehee, I have to throw my $1.298 in.
F-250 Supercab
400
Longbed
39's

Sorry couldn't resist:^)

Steve S.
77 F-250 Supercab (Yellow/purple)
76 F-350 Crewcab flatbed
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:27:31 -0400
From: Steve Schaefer
Subject: FTE 61-79 - It's good to touch the green green grass of home!

Yes it's true my friends. After 10 months of living in a motel, we are
back in our house!!!

For those new to the list and for the those who've forgotten Ol' Deacon
allow me to recap.

How could we forget the great Deacon. Glad to see you are finally
getting back to your home. Now that that is all behind you (hopefully
for good), it is time to share your word of wisdom with the FTE group
again (I hope).:>)

OK everyone, it is time to be on your toes again, watch those
keystrokes, he is back.

Steve S.
77 F-250 Supercab (yellow/purple)
76 F-350 Crewcab flatbed
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:38:40 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - It's good to touch the green green grass of home!

As others have said, I'm also happy for you. I've lost material possesions
to thieves but never had to deal with a fire. I can only imagine.....:-(
Insurace companies can be very unloving in these circumstances :-( You were
probably planning on redecorating a few rooms anyway right?

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> Yes it's true my friends. After 10 months of living in a motel, we are
> back in our house!!!
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:26:50 -0700
From: "O'Connor"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1961 F-100 Power Steering

Mark,
A few months ago, I posted a parts list for 66 thru 69's to convert to
power steering. I've since updated it and transfered to Excel. I think
61's had what was called power assist. It consisted of a hydraulic
cylinder attached to the drag link? I haven't heard of anyone converting a
61 to full intregal steering; but am curious. I would be happy to pass
along this parts list if you are interested.

Tim 66F100 Custom Cab SWB w/352 & original P/S and O/D
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:27:28 +0000
From: scotthome mindspring.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '70 F-100 Ranger 302 fuel system

I am rebuilding/upgrading my '70 F-100 Ranger from a two barrel carb
(stock) to a four barrel carb (Edelbrock 1406). Two issues have come
up:

1. The carburetor linkage needs to be completely changed out and I can't
locate any four barrel linkage systems at salvage yards in my area. If
you know of a good salvage yard or have any ideas on aftermarket
products or modifying the current two barrel linkage system, please let
me know.

2. I want to remove the fuel tank from the cab and get it under the
truck. Saddle tanks are too dangerous so I am looking for something
that will fit between the frame rails or even possibly in the bed under
a tool box. Any ideas on tanks from other model years or aftermarket
manufacturers? Thanks in advance!

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:16:07 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - flexible tubing?

Hey Wish and gang,

Thanks for the info.....you're right, Wish. I need to break this engine and
cam in and I didn't want to sit there for a half hour with the headers
uncapped.....that's fun in the sand dunes, but not in the neighborhood where
you need to be friends with your neighbors!!!!!!

I'll check out the Pep Boys equivalent here, and of course, thanks to Stock
Man, JCW.

The Napa place said they could get it, but they wanted about $110 for a
10-foot section. If worse comes to worse, I'll buy some straight tubing, heat
it with a torch and bend it myself....just need something temporary....

Thanks again gang.

Headed to Asia for about 10 days, so I'll be out of touch. Hey William, have
a good time with that Seattle group.....they made my trip out there a lot of
fun!!!!!

Deacon: Glad to see you back in the saddle!

CJ


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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:00:28 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - deacon returns home

Yeehaw!!!!!!!!!!!!! Glad everything is going well.

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1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry)
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Dearborn iron rules!!!!
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:59:29 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Drive Shaft Strength

Personally, I wouldn't use anything aluminum anywhere that I knew was going
to be stressed, especially a drive shaft on a 400+ hp V8.

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:41:53 -0400
From: "Marvin Meyer"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Truck 385 series Now How they rev.

Gary;
your right about tuning, the carb has alot too. I changed the rear jet
sizes on my Holley, I forgot the size, have it wrote down some where, but
the rear cylinders like running leaner in part due to runner lenghth. And
velocity. Using an infarred heat detector on individual cyclinders helps to
super tune (if you have access to one) I'm lucky I guess.

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:56:22 -0400
From: "Marvin Meyer"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ruby gets a diesel powered sibling

Guess its time to play the baby name game again.

How about "Millenia" or "Centura"


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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:57:13 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - speedo change over

>>They were changed to 85 mph units when the speed limit in the US was changed
to 55. They did this to fool you into going slower.

I think I started this mess. I don't know what year they changed over, but
George's reasoning is absolutely correct. I, like Gary, want one of those
240 mph digital dashes but can bring myself to part with the money right
now. I have also considered a speedo out of a late 80s Lincoln, but too many
other time consuming activities keep getting in the way.

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:45:01 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - '70 F-100 Ranger 302 fuel system

Don't know exactly what the rear frame looks like on the earlier ones but I
mounted a van tank in my 78, behind the axle. Most models had an aux tank
that went there too so it should be pretty easy to find something that will
fit but the aux tanks were a tad small so a plastic replacement tank from JC
whittney might be a good way to go. I really like the plastic ones, they
last forever, no rust problems etc..

I have one in my bronco and just had to shore it up with some straps since
the skid plate rusted all the way through. Been watching it for a year and
when I noticed a crack starting in the one thin area still holding the tank
in I decided I better do something....quick :-) Didn't trust the strap kits
though so put 4 of them on there. 33 * 6.5 = 214.5 pounds and stiff
suspension to boot :-)

You could probably mount a side tank cross ways in the bed under the tool
box. Seems like they are just about the right dimensions?

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> 2. I want to remove the fuel tank from the cab and get it under the
> truck. Saddle tanks are too dangerous so I am looking for something
> that will fit between the frame rails or even possibly in the
> bed under
> a tool box. Any ideas on tanks from other model years or aftermarket
> manufacturers? Thanks in advance!
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:29:29 -0500 (CDT)
From: Rubberducky23 webtv.net (Danny Ling)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: flexible tubing

I worked for Big A Auto Parts at Hampden and Wadsworth in Lakewood CO.
It is illegal for any parts store to sell flex tubing in the Denver
area. We were told this law intended to prevent any modification to
exhaust systems by the "common" mechanic. Thus requiring a person to
take any exhaust issues to a EnviroTest certified shop. As far=A0as I
know you can still get flex exhaust tubing anywhere outside the front
range where vehicles are not required to pass EnviroTest emissions. But
I may be wrong (I've been in the ARMY and away from Denver for 4 years
now) a lots changed since I've been gone..... I believe Parker does not
have to conform to EnviroTest rules and you may be able to find your
tubing there or someplace like Parker away from Denver.

Hope this helps, Danny Ling

(pre 77 1/2) 77 F250 Highboy 4X4, 69 429 "Thunder Jet"

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:32:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - It's good to touch the green green grass of home!

[Deacon Returns Home!]

Congratulations Deacon, good to hear you have a garage again :-)

So, tell us, after the Mustang C4 adventure, did you ever get the
ATF stains out of the bathtub at the hotel ? :-)
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Sebastopol, California
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:51:52 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - speedo change over

I have one from a 78......:-) Got this neat clock with the flip over
numbers too :-) (don't know it if works though :-)) Dash is about 1" short
of fitting the bronco. Never would have guessed the bronco was wider than a
lincoln :-) Sure hope the grill and headlight thingy fits :-)

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> now. I have also considered a speedo out of a late 80s
> Lincoln,
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 20:20:45 +0100
From: "Bill Brox"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1964, F-600 questions...

Yeah, me and my thoughts,,,, where did they go.... it is a 1964 F-600,
but I am not sure if it is a COE or standard cab,,,

Bill

>
> In a message dated 10/18/1999 8:37:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> bill online.no writes:
>
>
sale,
> and when I called him it was a F-600, so now I am curious of how it
looks
> like.
> Does it have the same cab as the F-100 to F-350 ?
> Also, he said the truck had a gross vehicle weight of 11500 kg, which
means
> 25330 lbs,,, is this correct ? Or have I missunderstood... (weight of
truck
> + weight of cargo)
> Then he said it had a 6 cyl. gas engine,,,, he thought it was about 4
liter
> displacement,,, what kind of engine coiuld this be ?
> >>
> That is the kind of truck used around here on farms. Uses 20 or 22 inch
> wheels, duals in the rear. The frames come in various lengths to
accommodate
> beds 16 to 20 feet long. In the mid 60s and 70s the cabs looked very
similar
> to the pickups, fenders had bigger wheel wells. In the late 70s and 80's
the
> whole front end changed, does not look much like the pickup. But the
doors
> are recognizable as being related to the pickup of the same year. Yes,
the
> gross weight is truck + cargo. Probably best figure the engine out if we

> knew the year. Ford Trucks of that size I've seen were V8s, so I am at a

> complete loss, but suspect the six to be a 240 or 300.
> Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F250 4x4 460
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 14:45:00 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Truck 385 series Now How they rev.

I'm just a little curious, how does the rear venturis affect the rear
runners? Did you have two carbs? This just gave me an idea......dual quads
in the 390 range wouuld give about 800 cfm, not out of range for a decent
running 460 and then you do have cylinder tuning capability :-)

Problem is the tunnel ram and other dual quad manifolds have pretty large
runners so velocity would suffer at lower rpms......Oh well :-( Guess I'll
just have to pull a steve and make my own stuff :-)

The name "Hillborn" now comes to mind.....:-) Eight little venturis on 8
big cylinders :-)

I've seen what appears to be dual plane, dual quad manifolds on some
engines......is this possible? The carbs were offset instead of in line.

- --
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> the rear cylinders like running leaner in part due to runner
> lenghth. And
> velocity. Using an infarred heat detector on individual
> cyclinders helps to
> super tune (if you have access to one) I'm lucky I guess.
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:41:37 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - W heads

> I think you have the shaft mounted FE style rockers confused
> with the stud
> mounted rail style. The pedestal type rockers, used on 351C, 351M, 429,
> 460's and later W's use a bolt to fasten the rocker to the head
> as opposed
> to a stud used by the early W's. To make it even more confusing,
> they used a
> rail type, which has a slot on the valve side of the rocker that
> keeps the
> rocker/pushrod in alignment, and a non-rail, which used guide
> plates on the
> pushrods.

Doh! Right you are my man ... I was confusing myself thinking about that
one earlier ...

> As far as a cam, I'm just using a CompCam 268, set straight up.
> I know, it
> should ping itself to death. It helps to have it in a fairly
> light F100, If
> I need to haul or pull, I use my F250 with a low compession (8-1)351W.
>

The 351 we've got is in a 69 cougar, so the weight isn't too bad of an
issue, though if we run 12 or more advance it will ping ...

My truck however weighs a bit more and has a touch higher compression, so
I'm limited to 8 for my advance if I want to pull anything :(

but man is it nice when I hit the gas ... at 50 today on the interstate I
was able to punch it, listen to that holley ring and merge with the other
lane that was doing 65 efforlessly :)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:44:14 EDT
From: Brazzadog aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '78 Bronco hub/rotor

This is a repost of a question I didn't get a response to a week or so ago.
I'm sorry if there were responses and I just missed them - I've been kind of
behind on digests. I've since found a guy with a bunch of early Bronco parts
for sale so I have more options. I just don't know which way to go.

I've got a friend with a '78 Bronco that needs new hub/rotor assemblies. I
know another guy with a '80s IFS 4x4 F-150 he's parting out. Anybody know
which years these hub/rotor assemblies were the same for Bronco/F-150? Seems
like some of the early Broncos had the same hub/rotor as well. Thanks.

Ben Williams
'78 F-250
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:59:51 -0500
From: "Norm"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '78 Bronco hub/rotor

> I've got a friend with a '78 Bronco that needs new hub/rotor assemblies.
I
> know another guy with a '80s IFS 4x4 F-150 he's parting out. Anybody know
> which years these hub/rotor assemblies were the same for Bronco/F-150?
Seems
> like some of the early Broncos had the same hub/rotor as well. Thanks.
>
> Ben Williams

According to the Hollanders interchange...... it looks like 69-86 are all
the same! For what thats worth! hope this helps some!

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 21:16:29 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '78 Bronco hub/rotor

I could be wrong, but I think the IFS is a whole separate breed. I think the
only interchangeables would be the gears. best bet would be to call a Ford
Dealer, they can cross-reference part #'s.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 21:27:26 -0400
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '78 Bronco hub/rotor

Hey Guys--

Except for that strange setup in 'late '87 and early 88 on fullsize 4x4 (with
different hub assy.) the hubs are all the same from 67-96. (and rotors from
'73-96). Surprise your parts guys at the autostores when you get a price of $65
dollars a piece for rotors for a '93 F-150 4x4, and you tell them you want to buy
them for a '78 F-150 4x4 instead for $35 bucks.... Same exact thing-- my '93
tells me so! 8-)

Tony
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JUMPINFORD aol.com wrote:

> I could be wrong, but I think the IFS is a whole separate breed. I think the
> only interchangeables would be the gears. best bet would be to call a Ford
> Dealer, they can cross-reference part #'s.
>
> Darrell Duggan
> 74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 22:13:39 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: NOS Ford Hardware

Why is it that the smallest details present the most challenges! I am
hopeful someone will have a suggestion for the frame clips which secure the
brake and fuel lines to the frame on a 1966 F-250. I know there are several
aftermarket sources. I do not want to go that route. Besides that will not
solve the clips at the clutch pivot and in the rear by the brake hose because
those two are quite unique. Several NOS suppliers told me to try Ford. I
did that today and struck out. Anyone in a rust free-zone willing to find me
some used ones? As always, I really appreciate everyone's input. So a big
"thanks in advance."

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (HELP!---I need 15 x5 factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flare Side
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:42:42 -0700
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Edelbrock Intake/Bearing Adj./Holley-Carter

Anybody running a Edelbrock intake on thier FE?
Any problems?
Only thing that guy selling knows is that it is a single 4bbl manifold
off a 390,it is in "excellent"condition and he wants $50.
I realize some mods will be nessarary to linkage etc.

>The lock ring can be flipped over to give you a "1/2 hole" if you need
> it.

By tapping the pin through the other side this can be done but since one
hole on that ring will amount to less than 0.010" axial movement I would
guess it's not really necessary.

I don't do anything to the nut or the pin.
If I have it set up just right ,but the pin will not quite line up
with the hole in lock ring I pull just the ring out and flip it over.
Some times it works,sometimes it doesn't

>WE all have differing views on this but I would stay away from the >Holleys myself. Carter, Rochester, Edlebrock all make better mouse >traps for trucks

Have to agree with that.Rebuilt the Carter on my 76 and the Holley on
the 84 within the last 6 months.
The Carter has a lot fewer parts in it,much simpler and performs better.
Only advantage the Holley has is at WOT and that is slight.
If it was not for smog regs. my Holley would be in the dumpster.

Glad you are back under your own roof Deacon.
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 23:29:12 EDT
From: ETRMK aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 78 F250 4x4 Steering

The stock steering shaft on my 78 F250 4x4 is .... well... long overdue for
replacement. First i asked a friend about buying a stock replacement and he
said if i went that route i would end up paying a pretty penny for it...and
the stock ones dont last very long anyway. My mom works for a FORD dealership
here in town, and i can get oem parts for 10% above cost.. so i went down to
check on the price... it was obsolete of course.Then i went to a custom 4x4
shop near me and when i asked if they had one in stock... the owner just
looked at me with an ear to ear grin and said, "good luck" :-) He said that
he could fab me up an assembly with needle bearing u joints on either end but
itll be to the tune of about 2-250 bucks. Has anyone bought one of those
Borgeson shafts that i see all the time in 4x4 mags? And if so, how much do
they cost? Also... i put in a 4in suspension kit from trailmaster last year..
of course when i did it changed steering geometry. The kit came with a 2 in
riser block that fits beetween the steering arm and the knuckle, but it
doesnt complete the correction. I cant even come close to turning to the
right as far as i can turn to the left, and ive already fried the rear joint
on the new draglink i bought last yr. The guy at the shop said that he could
fab a new drag link that has the tie rod ends inverted and is also
adjustable. Anyone else done this lift on a similar rig? and if so what did
you do to make the correction?

Eric Norris
Spokane Wa
78 F250 4x4 C6 400
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 20:57:54 PDT
From: "White Wolf"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1961 F-100 Power Steering

Tim,
I would be interested in the partslist/directions for the '66-'69.

Corey Johnson
'66 F100 352"

>Mark,
>A few months ago, I posted a parts list for 66 thru 69's to convert to
>power steering. I've since updated it and transfered to Excel. I think
>61's had what was called power assist. It consisted of a hydraulic
>cylinder attached to the drag link? I haven't heard of anyone converting a
>61 to full intregal steering; but am curious. I would be happy to pass
>along this parts list if you are interested.
>
>Tim 66F100 Custom Cab SWB w/352 & original P/S and O/D
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