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61-79-list-digest Monday, October 18 1999 Volume 03 : Number 378



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Need Mounts for radiator support
Re: FTE 61-79 - 429 vs 460
FTE 61-79 - Steering setup ... more questions
FTE 61-79 - My Web Page
FTE 61-79 - Re: Unibodies
Re: FTE 61-79 - My Web Page
Re: FTE 61-79 - My Web Page
FTE 61-79 - Looking for a 428 !!
Re: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 Truck names, was Tweety's Ticker
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: 351/400 and Tweetys ticker
FTE 61-79 - RE: Radiator Size
FTE 61-79 - 1978 Ford F150 Parting out
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1978 Ford F150 Parting out
FTE 61-79 - What engine?
FTE 61-79 - 64 F- I dunno 50
Re: FTE 61-79 - What engine?
FTE 61-79 - Matching Tranny to Engine...
Re: FTE 61-79 - W heads
FTE 61-79 - Truck Engines
Re: FTE 61-79 - What engine?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Engines
Re: FTE 61-79 - What engine?
FTE 61-79 - Drive Shaft Strength
Re: FTE 61-79 - What engine?
FTE 61-79 - tranny choices for 460
Re: FTE 61-79 - towing engine
FTE 61-79 - 460 police
Re: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 police

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Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 07:43:53 -0400
From: joe delaurentis
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Need Mounts for radiator support

Group,
anybody know of where i can get the metal parts of the radiator support
mounts??
Here in PA when removing these they seemed to be mangled or rusted to
death
In my case one broke removing and one i took a sawzall too..Is this a
ford item
still??Anybody have some they want to sell??ANy suggestions?


- --
Joe
68 4x4 390 c6- Np 205 Dana 44 with Disc Brakes,
Since Ford Didn't build em this way in 68, I'll make my own!


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Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 06:45:43 -0500
From: "Norm"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 429 vs 460

> Norm,
>
> On the 514, did you use 300CI Ford rods and offset grind the crank, or did
> you use a custom crank and some sort of billet rod?? I have always wanted
> to build one of these, but I haven't taken the time to tackle this project
> yet. I work at an engine rebuilder, and we have some talented machinists,
> so that is not a problem.
>
> Just curious.
>
> George Litton in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho

George! I used a Ford Motorsports crank.....Ross pistons......And a set of
SCJ rods I had laying around! The 521 I am gonna build ......will be a
Motorsports crank and Crower rods......And most likly Wiesco
pistons.....have not gotten it all sorted out as of yet! One thing for sure
this next motor will be using some factory Ford heads....Or maybe some of
them new Trick Flow heads...either way I am staying away from them big SCJ
sized ports and valves! As much as I like a real screamer in the HP
department I am building this one to run well anywhere........and that is
gonna require a tamer cam......less head.......and a huge attempt by me to
not build it for power above 6000RPM....:-) But anyone planning a stroker
Big Block beware! These motors will shed running gear like it is growing on
trees! Even a real mild 521 that we built for a friends dually tow rig will
spin the rear wheels at a 40 MPH roll.....and thats a stock headed, real
mild cam engine! Plus it can swing 14 MPG on the freeway unloaded....
Nothing like cubes to get the job done! The friend with the dually.....he
has one of the nastiest trail trucks in Wisconsin (Rodent exterminator)
which was in Four Wheelers top truck challenge a few years ago.......that
truck is FE powered....dual predators, Nascar heads.....the works....all
bolted into a 427 Side oiler! Which is also stroked to 454 cubes! He is
considring a 521 for that truck now after seeing what the 521 is like in HP
and torque! And he is as dedicated a FE dude that ever lived!


Norm

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Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 09:51:40 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Steering setup ... more questions

Schu,

Doubt if you'll need the adjustable drag link since you already have a 76 and
the integral steering box and everything is already there for you......You
see, I put a 79 box into my 69, and there were some slight differences, but
the box steers enough in each direction for me to get "lock to lock".......

Don't forget you'll have to get the new pitman arm, since the 76 has a ball
joint built into it, and the 78 drag link will come with a ball joint for
that end....the Superlift part just has a taper to accept the 78 ball joint.
Also, someone said to make sure the tapers in the steering knuckles are the
same, and yes, they are for 76-79....

Good Luck!

CJ
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Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 09:55:01 -0600
From: Mark Heims
Subject: FTE 61-79 - My Web Page

Hey Guys & Gals,
I put up a web page and want to know what you think of it. Nothing real
fancy but it is my first page ever. It features my truck and a couple
of other vehicles I own (the shame, the shame). There's even a picture
Darrell will like! Can you say flying high!
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.initco.net/~mheims/index.html
Let me know what you think,
Montana Mark
78 F150 4x4, "The Great Pumpkin" (if you see it you will know why)



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Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 11:06:51 -0500
From: Brett L Habben
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Unibodies

Folks,
After rereading my original post I want to apologize for possibly
misleading people into thinking that the Unibody trucks had no frame by
the vagueness of the paragraph. As we know, it was constructed
conventional automobile style like a '57-59 Ranchero, which differed from
the traditional truck contruction of separate cab and bed. The posting
should have been titled "Why Ford started welding everything together".
Ford was applying this philosophy on a much larger scale than you first
think. But if you look at the entire product line it paints a much
clearer picture.
My apologies,
Brett
Super75cab

>The 61-64 "unibody" trucks had a full frame just like
>any other. There's been a lot of speculation about
>the "experiment."
>It was cheap and pretty, so they did it.
>Bill
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Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 10:10:16 -0600
From: William A Whited
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - My Web Page

Looks good. It would be great if there was more
Great Pumpkin and less J**p. Other then that it looks
great

- --
William A Whited
74 F100 RANGER SUPERCAB 390
77 F150 CUSTOM 460
EL Paso, TX
SEMPER FI


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Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 11:10:49 -0500
From: "Norm"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - My Web Page

> Hey Guys & Gals,
> I put up a web page and want to know what you think of it. Nothing real
> fancy but it is my first page ever. It features my truck and a couple
> of other vehicles I own (the shame, the shame). There's even a picture
> Darrell will like! Can you say flying high!
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.initco.net/~mheims/index.html
> Let me know what you think,
> Montana Mark

Mark that page looks great! And them coil spring trucks land so nice don't
they? :-)

Norm/Tracie dahorse jvlnet.com " Babied & Pampered"
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Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 09:18:05 -0700
From: Mike Pacheco
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Looking for a 428 !!

I've got a friend that has been asking around for a 428, anyone know of
one locally?
Mike in Burien (Seattle)
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Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 12:37:21 EDT
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 Truck names, was Tweety's Ticker

In a message dated 10/16/1999 12:34:42 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
JUMPINFORD aol.com writes:

>

sumthin aint right, Every Vehicle Ive ever owned got a name, usually the
first day. Its almost as if they tell me what they wanna be. My 68 Galaxie
Ranch Wagon was Hooptie the Love Wagon, my 84 Scirocco was Eva, my 82 Escort
4dr was Dextor. Even that big Duece I had got a name, the White Elephant >>

I agree, ya can't just say "my truck" it's gotta have a name, some sense of
identity, ya know? LOL Your truck deserves it! =)

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~SIlly boys...trucks are for GIRLS!~*~*
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Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 12:40:25 EDT
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: 351/400 and Tweetys ticker

In a message dated 10/16/1999 4:02:06 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
jumbofordman earthlink.net writes:

>

Just barely, I gotta 400, 33" tires
Santa thinks I've been a good girl LOL> and a 4" lift =)

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~SIlly boys........trucks are for GIRLS!~*~*
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Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 13:46:24 -0400
From: "George W. Selby, III"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Radiator Size

Yes, upper tank big and huge on radiator.

George Selby
78 F-150 400M, 4 on floor, 4x4
86 Nissan 300ZX
82 Jeep Cherokee
85 Dodge W-100
jumbofordman earthlink.net

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Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 14:30:54 EDT
From: DR11AGON aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1978 Ford F150 Parting out

Parting Out: 1978 Ford F150 Supercab 4x4
- -9 inch Ford rear(3.50 gears): 100$
- -Dana 44 front axle(3.50 gears): 100$
- -C-6 Transmission: 300$
- -NP-205 transfer case: 250$
- -Two-piece rear driveshaft: 50$
- -Front driveshaft: 40$
- -351M Engine(Crane RV cam, new timing chain, new head gaskets, Edelbrock
Performer intake, Holley 600 CFM 4 barrel): 500$
- -35" B.F. Goodrich All Terrain (set of 4 with about 3/4 tread): 250$
- -Rear gas tank (behind axle, above spare): 50$
- -Gas tank filler hose: 10$
- -Power steering gearbox: 150$
- -Power steering pump: 25$
- -Front rotors and locking hubs: 50$ pair
- -Radiator( with built in trans cooler): 75$
- -100 amp GM alternator: 50$
- -Front fenders ( driver and passenger sides): 50$ each
- -Inner fenders (driver and passenger sides): 40$ each
- -Front Clip: 40$
- -Square headlight surrounds: 15$ pair
- -Plastic grill insert (one piece 78' -79'): 40$
- -New parking brake cable from pedal inside cab, to splitter before rear
axle, fits Supercab): 40$
- -1 cab (needs a lot of work, ie rocker panels, floor): 50$
- -1 cab (good shape, needs small section of floor, and top corner near front
winshield): 300$
- -1 bed (solid, passenger side skin damaged): 100$
- -Bare dashboard: 40$
- -Non-adjusting steering column: 20$
- -Rear bench seat (good shape, blue): 100$
- -Rear suicide seats (pair, good shape, blue): 100$ pair
- -New rear sliding window: 50$
- -Rear side windows (fixed): 20$ each
- -Rear window weather stripping: 10$
- -Rear side window weatherstrip: 10$ pair
- -New door weatherstriping: 75$
- -A/C Compressor: 40$
E-mail: DR11AGON aol.com
Phone: 215-886-6956
Philadelphia, Pennsyalvania area
Any shipping charges would be added to the price of parts
Derek
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Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 14:48:09 EDT
From: DRVNDBUS aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1978 Ford F150 Parting out

It was a pleasure to have met you and the visor really worked out well thanx
for taking out the time to meet me half way.


DRVNDBUS..MARK

77 FORD F100 2WD
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Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 12:03:08 PDT
From: "Stephen Brown"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - What engine?

I've just acquired a 71' F250 with a 352 & c-6 trans. The engine has water
in the oil, my expert inlaws (you know, the ones that have never owned a
Ford in their life) say that this is a common problem with this kind of
block. Is it? I am thinking of getting a different engine for it, and again,
the "experts" have suggested every size from 302 to 460, one even said I
should put a C**vy in it!(I'd rather set it on fire and roll it down a
hill!)- Does anyone have any "real suggestions on what would cause water in
the oil? And , if I do get a new engine, whats best for that type of truck?

Stephen Brown,
Creswell,OR.
1971 F250 Custom

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Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 22:35:11 +0100
From: "Robert Werner"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 64 F- I dunno 50

A buddy of mine bought a 64 F-series 2wd awhile ago.
Sat for 2 years, started right up. Mice nests fly
out what was left of exhaust system. Hit buddy.
Funny. Hit me. Not so funny. Anyways, he was gonna
make a wrecker out of it, but he needs the $$ for a
new 4 speed for his Camaro. I know, I know. He's
trying to sell it for 200, and I was wondering what
you guys could tell me about it. I think it's a 1 ton,
but I didn't get that good of a look at it since it was
dark out. No box on the back, surprisingly little rust,
I'd rather have a 4x4 though. It's got a 292
underneath, don't know nothin 'bout that engine. Any
help'll be greatly appreciated. Thanks
Robert
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Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 14:53:04 -0700
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - What engine?

Hmmm, I've never heard of FE blocks having that sort of problem... Either
way your best bet would be to find another FE block
(352/360/390/406/410/427/428) engine to drop in, as any other type of engine
would require you to change out your tranny as well. 360's and 390's are
fairly easy to find (depending on where you live), and over course you might
just need a new head gasket on this motor.
Rade Spasojevic -- rspasoje mindspring.com
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From: Stephen Brown
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, October 17, 1999 12:03 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - What engine?


>I've just acquired a 71' F250 with a 352 & c-6 trans. The engine has water
>in the oil, my expert inlaws (you know, the ones that have never owned a
>Ford in their life) say that this is a common problem with this kind of
>block. Is it? I am thinking of getting a different engine for it, and
again,
>the "experts" have suggested every size from 302 to 460, one even said I
>should put a C**vy in it!(I'd rather set it on fire and roll it down a
>hill!)- Does anyone have any "real suggestions on what would cause water in
>the oil? And , if I do get a new engine, whats best for that type of
truck?
>
>Stephen Brown,
>Creswell,OR.
>1971 F250 Custom
>
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Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 14:49:42 -0800
From: pbxtalk
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Matching Tranny to Engine...

Hi there. I was following the thread about matching a C-6 up with a 460. I
have a similar situation. I have a '67 F-250 with the original, tired old
FE 352 in it, and it has about 20-30 lbs. compression on number 4 cylinder.
But it has a good-working C-4 tranny that looks like it was rebuilt
sometime in the last decade.

Question is: how interchangable are the Ford V-8's of that era? Do the FE
blocks share the same bolt pattern with the 351W V-8? And where do the
Cleveland's fit in? Are they the same pattern, or do they have their own
bell housing pattern?

It's a good C-4 tranny, but I'm having a harder time finding FE engines,
and I have a good line on a couple of Windsor engines, and one Cleveland.
But I will rethink the whole deal if I have to go out and buy a tranny to
match the engine.


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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 00:03:47 +0100
From: "Bill Brox"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - W heads

How to Rebuild your small block Ford by Tom Monroe is ok,,,, since the 351W
is a small block, everything you know about a 302 will be good,,, except
for the few differences... among them are higher torque specifications on
head, rod and main bearing bolts + others...

As far as I know 351 W 2v and 4v heads are the same, only the intake was
different.

If you want big valves, be sure to find a 351 W from a car, and at least
not the 1975 truck head,,, or later car heads.... No problems at least to
put in the large valves from the early years in those heads from later
years with small valves.

No multiple carbs offered from factory....

Remember, the 351W engine has same size main bearings as 429 and 460,,,,
rather big crank....

I wrote a post a little while ago about the 351W,,, but can't remember
when....

How much hp do you want, and where do you want the torque to be ?

I love this engine.... nice Ford stuff.


Bill Brox




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> From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - W heads
> Date: 15. oktober 1999 16:19
>
> What years of the 351W offered the largest valves and what size valves
were
> these??? Will other heads take these larger valves with reasonable $'s
and
> machining??? Were there differences in the 2V and 4V heads of the same
years??
> Are there any books available for the Windsors, such as the one by Steve
Christ
> on the FE's or the one I have on the 335 series, by (I forgot who)??
>
> For those of you that don't know, I'm looking to stroke a 351W up to
somewhere
> in the 400 - 427 cu in neighborhood, and I want the best breathing heads
that
> were offered on the 351W to go with my other mods. Also what years
intakes were
> best on the 351W??? Any aluminum from the factory??? Any multiple carbs
> offered??? What aftermarket intakes are recommended???
>
> Azie
> Ardmore, Al.
>
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Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 15:13:27 -0700
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Truck Engines

>In all cases I'm familiar with it was used with tall
>gearing and wide ratio trannys to make a smooth, rheostat like luxury >ride unlike the 429, 428, 427 etc..... :-)

The 428 and 429 were available in T-Birds,LTDs,etc.. only "radical" one
in the bunch is the 427.


As far as I know all light duty truck engines from 61-79 except the 360
and 300 were car engines first. 292,302,351,352,390,400 and 460.
If I forgot a engine someone will let us know.
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Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 19:06:41 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - What engine?

In a message dated 10/17/99 11:05:22 AM Pacific Standard Time,
snoopytl1 hotmail.com writes:


the oil? >>

Well mechanical failure aside, I had a mild problem with this in my Escort.
Problem was from living in a humid climate, and not driving the engine long
enough to warm it up. After about 2 months, I noticed a small wisp of grey
on my dipstick. I thought I lost a head gasket. Then I started asking
around. Seems it was a common problem on short run vehicles in the area.
After I found that out, I changed the oil, and always let it get warm before
I shut it down. Problem went away.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 18:19:28 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Engines

Would the Boss 429 be viewed as "radical"?
Jason

J.S.H. wrote:

>
only "radical" one
> in the bunch is the 427.
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Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 19:31:36 EDT
From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - What engine?

In a message dated 10/17/1999 3:05:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
snoopytl1 hotmail.com writes:


in the oil, my expert inlaws (you know, the ones that have never owned a
Ford in their life) say that this is a common problem with this kind of
block. Is it? I am thinking of getting a different engine for it, and again,
the "experts" have suggested every size from 302 to 460, one even said I
should put a C**vy in it!(I'd rather set it on fire and roll it down a
hill!)-
>>

I hope your gonna do that to the C**vy and fix the Ford!


the oil? And , if I do get a new engine, whats best for that type of truck?
>>

All depends on what ya wanna do with the truck. Im not real familiar with the
352's but have had a 390 in the past. Was a good engine. As for water in the
oil, I can think of two things, Blown head gaskets which are relatively easy
to fix. The other option is a cracked head or block letting the oil & water
mix. Obviously, the block is the worst of all the items, but could lead to
you choosing a different size engine. And again, that size & type depends on
what you have, what you wanna do, and how much work you'll accept to do it.

George
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Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 19:57:29 -0700
From: "O'Connor"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Drive Shaft Strength

Hi,
Measure the OD (Outside diameter)of a truck or car shaft with a 460 or
other vehicle with a high output motor and also check the metal thickness.
If the OD is the same or bigger and the material thickness is the same or
thicker, the shaft itself should be OK. That doesn't mean that yoke will
take the torque; but measure the pins. That should give you a good idea.
If the OD's and thickness are smaller, then it's pretzel city. Why not
stay with a stock shaft?

Tim 66F100 SWB Custom Cab 352 O/D and P/S
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Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 20:14:05 EDT
From: TWL1911 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - What engine?

Hey
well if i was to do a engine swap i would trie and go for the 352 again just
because of the shorter stroke and quiker acceleration though if you want to
go out and pull stumps stick with a built 390 im recomending FEs here because
it will make the swap so easy. just because all you have to do is pull the
old and put in the new. well hope this helps
Travis
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Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 21:57:33 -0400
From: Becky & Greg
Subject: FTE 61-79 - tranny choices for 460

Gents;
I only got half of my digest tonight and I see that the responces to my
query on tranny choices for the 460 were on the half I didn't receive.
Would you please re-post your answers or respond directly.
Thanks again
Greg
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Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 18:01:03
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - towing engine

>> My point is bring your 390's
>>on, Tweety will chew em up and spit em out :)
>
> If you lived closer I'd be happy to give you an opportunity to *try*. (-:

If I'm ever in las vegas again I'll come and visit you ;-)


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Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 18:04:11
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 police

Ever since I joined you guys the 460 has been the talk of the day ;-) does
anyone know what the 460 police is? Just a different tuning? Would be a
nice gadget to have, just to be able to say.. hey my truck has a 460 POLICE!!


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Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 17:50:27
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!

> You want to talk about woooshhh? My brother had a 74 F-250 4x4 with a
>390 which used some oil. On any given day it was a toss up whether it would
>need $20 fill-up of gas or oil. Can you say, "spent rings?"

Hahah, yeah I had a lawnmower once that was low on oil before it would be....

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