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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Archives
FTE 61-79 - '67 F100 4x4 Wheel Bearings
FTE 61-79 - BAAAD Thing
Re: FTE 61-79 - '74 towing specs, my webpage
FTE 61-79 - Bleading brakes
Re: FTE 61-79 - Bleading brakes
Re: FTE 61-79 - BAAAD Thing
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tweety's Ticker
Re: FTE 61-79 - Bleading brakes
Re: FTE 61-79 - Bleading brakes
Re: FTE 61-79 - How to ID a C6 Wide Ratio Gearset
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tweety's Ticker
FTE 61-79 - overdrive unit?
FTE 61-79 - Re- Need some assistance please.
FTE 61-79 - '62 Uni- questions... (was semi-new list member)
FTE 61-79 - How much $$$$ would you dare sink into a 351M??
FTE 61-79 - RE: WOOOOOSH
FTE 61-79 - Big Radiators
FTE 61-79 - 4 spd to C-6 conversion
Re: FTE 61-79 - Highboy Steering.
Re: FTE 61-79 - How much $$$$ would you dare sink into a 351M??

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:32:47 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Archives

I think it's time for another standing ovation for Ken...Thanks, Man.

Thanks for your message at 05:36 PM 10/14/99 -0400, kpayne ford-trucks.com.
Your message was:
>Just a quick update. The mailing list archives (all
>166 meg!) have been formatted as HTML pages and uploaded
>to the server.
>
>As soon as they are indexed for searching and we come
>up with a good way to protect them from email address
>harvesting they will become available to the users.
>
>Not sure is anyone has noticed, but our web server is
>faster and mail delivery is too. The T1 install is
>on schedule.
>
>Ken Payne
>Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

Dennis L. Pearson

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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 16:57:27 -0800
From: "Ross Johansson"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '67 F100 4x4 Wheel Bearings

Hello FTEs....

I have had my '67 F100 4x4 just over a year now. I am expecting it is time
to look at the front hubs and wheel bearings.

Are there any "gotchas" that I should be aware of ??
Are the bearings and seals (and maybe brakes) that I will be replacing off
the shelf parts?

I have done this before but it was on my '85 Ranger and a friends '72 Ch*vy.
I really dont want to have to leave the truck on blocks while i chase parts.

Thanks for the input.....

Ross
Anchorage, Alaska
1967 F100 4x4, 352?
1985 Ranger 4x4 2.8L v6



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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:08:41 -0600
From: William A Whited
Subject: FTE 61-79 - BAAAD Thing

Well today I had a bad thing happen to my 77. Took
her in to get the lovely El Paso Emissions test and TX
Safety Inspection. Passed the emissions with no
problems. Had some other minor safety issues that
needed fixed, like the gas caps didn't pass the test.
Came home got the stuff and was heading back to get the
sticker, leaving the part store parking lot, smelled a
little gas, (no biggie had the old caps in the cab with
me). I got about 10 ft and black smoke from under the
hood (not GOOD). Stopped opened the hood quickly, had
a fire on top of the manifold. Ran into the parts
store and got to fire extinguishers and got her out
quickly. But not before she burned some spark plug
wires, fuel filter, rotor cap, and a black spot on my
nice red paint on the hood. Tomorrow I find out for
sure on all the damage. This morning the tweaked my
idle and some other things so the blame is kinda
falling in between us. One thing of note is the fuel
filter was one of those clear gas ones, well it has
plastic fittings on each ends. It appears that the
fire started there. A fire extinguisher will be with
me from now on. Could've saved me allot of damage.

- --
William A Whited
74 F100 RANGER SUPERCAB 390
77 F150 CUSTOM 460
EL Paso, TX
SEMPER FI


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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:13:57 -0600
From: William A Whited
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '74 towing specs, my webpage

Mark, The "t" in truck should be "T" to reach your page.

draco pacifier.com wrote:

> If anyone is interested, I finally added the towing specifications
> for 1974 trucks in the '74 Ford Truck Reference section on my web
> page. Also the URL is a little different than before. See the
> .sig below.
>
> Mark in Southwest Washington
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacifier.com/~draco/truck.html
> --
> '74 F-100 Ranger XLT 4X4
> in digest mode
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William A Whited
74 F100 RANGER SUPERCAB 390
77 F150 CUSTOM 460
EL Paso, TX
SEMPER FI


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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 20:30:19 -0600
From: Kirk Baillie
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bleading brakes

Will gravity bleeding get rid of air in the lines. Also how does one go
about removing the rear brake bleeding nipples if someone has really
screwed up the head (and also rusted in real good).

Thanks
Kirk Baillie
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 20:51:56 -0600
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Bleading brakes

> how does one go
> about removing the rear brake bleeding nipples if someone has really
> screwed up the head (and also rusted in real good).
>
> Thanks
> Kirk Baillie
...............

Lots of penetrating oil & a 6 point socket or box end wrench with a
tight fit. Sometimes you can pound a socket or wrench into place with a
hammer when the fitting is badly mangled.
At least wheel cylinders are pretty cheap and fairlly easy to install if
needed. I would prep the treads of the bleeder screw to prevent them from
rusting into place.


Danger
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:54:30 -0400
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - BAAAD Thing

Just a note--

I had one of those clear glass filters (summit sells with plastic screw in
ends) come appart on me while driving my '70 and dumped fuel all over the
block, but I had it located on the side opposide of the exhaust manifold.
(I-6). Last time I bought one of those. Same thing happened to a friend
and his. I use steel ones with clamps now. Glad to hear you caught it
soon enough.

Tony
tony pscico.com
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At 07:08 PM 10/14/99 -0600, you wrote:
> Well today I had a bad thing happen to my 77. Took
>her in to get the lovely El Paso Emissions test and TX
>Safety Inspection. Passed the emissions with no
>problems. Had some other minor safety issues that
>needed fixed, like the gas caps didn't pass the test.
>Came home got the stuff and was heading back to get the
>sticker, leaving the part store parking lot, smelled a
>little gas, (no biggie had the old caps in the cab with
>me). I got about 10 ft and black smoke from under the
>hood (not GOOD). Stopped opened the hood quickly, had
>a fire on top of the manifold. Ran into the parts
>store and got to fire extinguishers and got her out
>quickly. But not before she burned some spark plug
>wires, fuel filter, rotor cap, and a black spot on my
>nice red paint on the hood. Tomorrow I find out for
>sure on all the damage. This morning the tweaked my
>idle and some other things so the blame is kinda
>falling in between us. One thing of note is the fuel
>filter was one of those clear gas ones, well it has
>plastic fittings on each ends. It appears that the
>fire started there. A fire extinguisher will be with
>me from now on. Could've saved me allot of damage.
>
>--
>William A Whited
>74 F100 RANGER SUPERCAB 390
>77 F150 CUSTOM 460
>EL Paso, TX
>SEMPER FI
>
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 23:07:30 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tweety's Ticker

New truck?? Are you nuts? That letter was all about building another Ticker
for Tweety! I wouldn't consider a new truck if it had burned to the ground.
Well maybe a parts truck, but Im NEVER gettin rid of Tweety. This truck has
been by far the most reliable vehicle Ive owned. Usually at the one year
mark, the engines are blown. My galaxie wagon lasted a year, shattered a
piston (lead foot, 225k miles), my Scirocco tagged all the valves at 6
months, and my escort smoked the rings at 10 months (lead foot, weekly round
trips from Vegas to Reno at 110) One year and Tweety is only tickin? Hell I
bet it goes another year before it blows. Im just gonna build another motor
to swap in before Im stuck doing a rebuild under worse circumstances. Point
is I am not, and will not be getting rid of Tweety. Envy's BIG bro will be
around long enough to take you wheelin for years and years and years.......

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"

P.S. Next time your in Vegas, you owe Tweety a kiss and an apology (me too)
for thinkin Id be gettin another truck.
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 23:14:37 EDT
From: DRVNDBUS aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Bleading brakes

been there done that worse case scenario i had to remove the cylinder and
heat up the bleeder screw ( not too much heat ) and removed with a pair of
visegrips. andf if its that bad might as well replace the unit .
just my thoughts drvndbus aol.com

77 f100 custom
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:23:35 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Bleading brakes

I had this happen to my '70. I took the cylinder off and pulled the
innards out. I clamped the cylinder in a vise with the bleeder pointing
straight up. Then I put a nut over the bleeder that was just large
enough to fit. Next I welded the nut to the bleeder using a wire welder,
being carefull not to weld the cylinder also. Now I had a much larger
nut(and wrench) to unscrew the bleeder with! Let it cool, and
reassemble!

Jason
>
> > how does one go
> > about removing the rear brake bleeding nipples if someone has really
> > screwed up the head (and also rusted in real good).
> >
> > Thanks
> > Kirk Baillie
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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 00:29:24 EDT
From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - How to ID a C6 Wide Ratio Gearset

That could be Gary. My Bronco came with 3.5 gears in both ends. The "donor"
work truck - I dont know hat it had out back.

I spose I could drive a steady speed and manually shift it from 1 to 2 then
to 3 and read the tach for each. It should give me a ratio of change that
should be kinda sorta close to the ratios in the tranny's. Wont help with the
one on the bench though (unless I get a project for it and the old 400 to fit
in). Anybody have the ratios handy? I think they were posted a while back.
Have to check the old mail file to see if it's still there.

Food for thought.....

George

In a message dated 10/14/1999 10:55:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
gpeters3 visteon.com writes:


everyone's mind so most trucks with larger engines came with this AFAIK. If
both came from trucks with 400's I'd say there's a good possibililty you
have them :-) I'm going to be real interested in what my 78 lincoln tranny
has in it too......I'm hoping :-)

If both trucks also has fairly tall rear gears, 2.75 or 3.00 or even 3.08
then it's almost a sure thing :-)

--
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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--

> Ive got a question. After reading so much about the wide
> ratio gearset
> available in some C6's, how would I be able to tell what a
> given tranny's got
> from the outside? The easier the better.
> Ive got 2 C6's, the original from my 79 Bronco, and one from
> a 78 SuperCab
> Utility truck, both driven my 400's.
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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 00:37:51 EDT
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tweety's Ticker

In a message dated 10/13/1999 9:41:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
JUMPINFORD aol.com writes:


a
week bottom end that I have to run a stall converter. I do have the 4.10
gears, so that helps a weak bottom end out a lil. Either cam is getting a
Cloyes Chain. I dont think Ive left anything out, so now Im askin on
feedback. Lemme know any ideas you have, or maybe even a better idea than
what I have. >>

Neither of those cams will give you a real lumpy idle on a 460, they would on
a small block. Either cam will still have plently go at low RPM especially
with your 4.10. I think using flat tops might be pushing the envelope just a
bit. The 73 heads have around 92cc combustion chambers and with Flat tops,
.032 deck clearance, and 040 gasket the CR somewhere around 10 to 1. You've
got to ask yourself some questions as to how you want to use it. And what
you are willing to do to prevent knocking. It might be better not to go
there? But, if you do I would strongly recommend using the KB Silv-o-Lite.
Nothing wrong with the TRW, I use them, but wish now I had gone with KB. You
can get a catalog from http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://kb-silvolite.com for free, and in this catalog
is a good explanation why the Silv-0-Lites are better unless you are going
full race. Good Luck
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 00:58:08 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - overdrive unit?

does anybody know if anyone makes a overdrive unit to go in between the
transmission and rear end, i think borg warner used to make one, but i can't
find anyone that knows.

jeff grant
78 f100 4x2 swb
78 f150 4x4 lwb
79 f250 4x4 lwb xt cab
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:43:11 -0700
From: sparky mail.island.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re- Need some assistance please.

Shawn Donkin wrote:
"clip"
>I'm not sure what wire to use to power the duraspark
>module and also need to know what to hook the the + on the coil. It's
>been long enough that i dont remember what wire came from where so i'm
>kinda outta ideas here =) I have a red wire with a white stripe and a
>plain red wire that is left unhooked in the engine compartment. Can
>anyone give me ideas on what wires goes where?

Check out this page. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wrljet.com/engines/duraspark.html
It describes how to install a duraspark II system, it might help.

Sparky
73 F250 4x4
3?0FE 4v


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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 01:53:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: zcwp11 ACCESS.ETSU.EDU
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '62 Uni- questions... (was semi-new list member)

> Thanks for your message at 11:16 AM 10/14/99 -0400, zcwp11 ACCESS.ETSU.EDU.
> Your message was:
> >Hello all...
> >
> >New to the list... well sort of... was on it a little short while
> >before... but it's been many months. I own a '62 F100 Unibody. Any
> >others on here :-)
>
> Oh, yeah...
>
Woo-Hoo... I feel welcome already...

> >So the I-6 is dead... like really dead... think the crank might actually
> >be broken in two. Its been sitting for a few months now because of
> >this... but I'd sorta like to get it running before winter sets in. The
> >problem I'm having is finding an engine that I can install without making
> >modifications. So my first question is what engines will fit in this
> >truck as a bolt in? V8 or 6... don't care... need front mount. .. and I'd
> >prefer to keep the 3spd if possible.
>
> Another six (300?) would be easy, or probably an old Y-Block 292 or 312,
> if you can find a good one...
>
Do the 300's mount different? I though they were a later engine...
There's something listed in the local classifieds... 1956 272 Y block with
trans $150... that's all it says... am assuming this is a Ford motor of
the same type as the 292 and 312 you mention... would this work?
Advantages? Disadvantages? If it's good should I jump on it? What about
that 3spd manual holding up? Don't plan on hot-rodding the truck... at
least not yet... just want something to drive for now.

> >But would the stock tranny hold up behind it? I guess what I"m really
> >asking for here is advice... what do all y'all think?
>
> I'll let someone else answer this one...
> >
> >There is a '65 or so with a saddle mount engine int he junkyard... could I
> >take parts from this truck and change mine over to saddle mount? How hard
> >would this be?
> I think the saddle mounts are a relatively easy way to go, but any
> change-over will be some work. It'll be harder than building a model car,
> but not as hard as putting an addition on your house ...It all depends on
> your resources, experience, "free"time, etc...

What's involved? I notice your '62 has a Cleve... did you do it? I'm a
lot more familiar with the later engines... used to have a '72 Merc w/
429 and best buddie's got a '78 4X4 w/ 351M and a '74 Comet GT w/ 302
5spd. If it's unbolt old stuff... bolt new stuff... sorta thing... this
might be an option... its when it comes to welding/fabricating that I have
to start paying others ;-) Free time isn't great... but since I'm a
student... have 3 or 4 afternoons a week where I've got several hours
free. And have some time on the weekend before work.

> > >
> >Also... about that Cherryrolaids tailgate that is residing on my Ford...
> >did the unibodies have a unique tailgate? Can I just go get a tailgate
> >off of a regular truck in the junkyard? Will the later ('78 or so)
> >tailgates fit?
> No, and this will probably end up being the most difficult and expensive
> part of your truck to restore. Recently I found a Unibody tailgate (sems
> everyone who has a Unibody needs a new tailgate) for $750 used...Recently a

Dang... sounds like parts for my '80 Rover 3500... master cylinders go for
150 bucks used (of course I just got one of ebay for 12.00 w/ shipping ;-)

> guy who owns two Unibodies told me my tailgate was a good one and I should
> have it "rebuilt." I'll be honest with you. Even in mint condition, this
> tailgate is the ugliest damn thing I've ever seen on a Ford truck (IMHO, of
> course).

There's a guy in town that's got an awesome '61 Uni... his talgate is like
perfect... hmmm... wonder if he's gotaa spare or two...

Guess your saying that... unless I'm REALLY lucky... not going to find a
tailgate in the junkyard... hmmm

Wonder if a Studebaker tailgate will fit... got one of them :-)
>
>
> By the way, is your trucka short or long bed? Does it have the wraparound
> rear window?

Its a short bed... I don't know about the window... so I assume I don't
have the wraparound... maybe you can tell frome the picture on my web
page... my rear window is oval.


BTW, anyone else here from Northeast Tennessee?



Peace, Goodwill, and Keep on Truckin'
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11 Access.ETSU.edu
ICQ# 43155646

1962 F100 Unibody (I-6, 3spd. on coll.)
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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 01:12:38 CDT
From: "PitStop Performance"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - How much $$$$ would you dare sink into a 351M??

Hello All,

I have a 351M that I am rebuilding. I already have much of the basic stuff
done. However, now that I am gettng into it I really want to add some
*extras* such at roller rockers, gappless rings, and a fully blueprinted and
balanced engine.

Yeah, yeah, I know.... It will never see enough RPMs to use the extras. But
I am thinking that it would be worth it to get a few extra ponnies, a really
smooth engine, and extra-long engine life.

What do you all think?

Thanks.

______________________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 02:35:51 -0400
From: "George W. Selby, III"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: WOOOOOSH

Here in eastern NC, last year gas got as cheap as $.0749 (damn we were
happy those two weeks, saved $20 a trip on our twice weekly trips to
Richmond), then started a slow rise to about $1.059, now since the day
after the hurricane its been at $1.119 and just came down to $1.179 today.

George Selby
78 F-150 400M, 4 on floor, 4x4
86 Nissan 300ZX
82 Jeep Cherokee
85 Dodge W-100
jumbofordman earthlink.net

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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 02:45:57 -0400
From: "George W. Selby, III"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Big Radiators

My 400 has the optional Super-Cooling package, 30+ quart capacity, and the
"handling package" which consists of swaybars. Found this out on the
original window sticker I found in my truck. Those were about the only two
options on my truck, other than the 400. This guy knew how to order a
truck, and I thank him.

George Selby
78 F-150 400M, 4 on floor, 4x4
86 Nissan 300ZX
82 Jeep Cherokee
85 Dodge W-100
jumbofordman earthlink.net

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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 04:27:11 -0400
From: "George W. Selby, III"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 4 spd to C-6 conversion

My 435 is jumping out of 3-rd gear, and needs a new clutch, and a new
clutch linkage, so I'm considering a swap to a C-6 (Plus I'm getting lazy
in my old age.) My truck is a 78 F-150 4x4 400. How much stuff am I going
to have to change. I can probably get a used column (is a 2wd and 4wd one
the same) for shifting, and a used carb linkage. Are the driveshaft
lengths terribly different? Is the pilot hole in the crank compatible
between a man and auto tranny? What about the flexplate? ANy help
appreciated.

George Selby
78 F-150 400M, 4 on floor, 4x4
86 Nissan 300ZX
82 Jeep Cherokee
85 Dodge W-100
jumbofordman earthlink.net

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Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 20:24:21 -0600
From: Kirk Baillie
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Highboy Steering.

Thats getting expensive, I could buy all new components for the 77->79
P.S conversion for less than that.
But thanks any ways. I am pretty sure I will be going the way of the
conversion. Probably the better choice any ways.


> You can get a rebuilt Cylinder and I believe the Control valve
> from:
> Benz Spring in Portland, Oregon.
> Their Phone Number is (503) 224 - 4865
> They quoted me $278.00 (US) for the cylinder, Exchange.
> (I don't work for Benz, I've just dealt with them for years, and I just
> called em about one for my 75.)
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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 03:23:01 -0600
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - How much $$$$ would you dare sink into a 351M??

> I have a 351M that I am rebuilding. I already have much of the basic stuff
> done. However, now that I am gettng into it I really want to add some
> *extras* such at roller rockers, gappless rings, and a fully blueprinted....


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