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61-79-list-digest Wednesday, October 13 1999 Volume 03 : Number 370



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In this issue:

RE: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!
FTE 61-79 - RE: FTE '94 T-Bird Club News
FTE 61-79 - "Unibody" truck debate
Re: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - new purchase :))
Re: FTE 61-79 - "Unibody" truck debate
FTE 61-79 - finished tail lights
FTE 61-79 - anti-theft hubcaps
RE: FTE 61-79 - towing engine
FTE 61-79 - run on
RE: FTE 61-79 - E series weatherstripping
RE: FTE 61-79 - E series weatherstripping
RE: FTE 61-79 - run on
FTE 61-79 - Tappitty, Tap, Tap
RE: FTE 61-79 - Tappitty, Tap, Tap
Re: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!
RE: FTE 61-79 - towing engine
RE: FTE 61-79 - E series weatherstripping
RE: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!
RE: FTE 61-79 - towing engine
FTE 61-79 - Re: fuel mileage with different engines
FTE 61-79 - what kind?
FTE 61-79 - Brake Lines
FTE 61-79 - 79, F-250 with sick 460....
RE: FTE 61-79 - Brake Lines
FTE 61-79 - looking at the truck
Re: Fuel price, was : Re: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!
RE: FTE 61-79 - what kind?
RE: FTE 61-79 - stalling problem(kinda long)
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tappitty, Tap, Tap
FTE 61-79 - 1978 Ford F150 Supercab 4x4 parting out sale:
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1978 Ford F150 Supercab 4x4 parting out sale:
FTE 61-79 - Door Seal Gaps! Oh No!
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1978 Ford F150 Supercab 4x4 parting out sale:
FTE 61-79 - 4v for 351M
FTE 61-79 - '78 Bronco hub/rotor
Re: FTE 61-79 - 4v for 351M
Re: FTE 61-79 - 4v for 351M
Re: FTE 61-79 - looking at the truck
FTE 61-79 - Re: fuel mileage on different engines ?
Re: FTE 61-79 - towing engine

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 07:34:04 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!

I can remember when it was $0.18/gal..........:-( During gas wars at least
:-) It stayed at $0.32/gal for a long time when I was a youngster :-) Last
tankful in Michitan cost me $37.00 at $1.22999999999999999....... for low
lead regular.

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> Here near L.A. prices range anywhere from $1.22-$1.37.....not
> as bad as it
> was a few months ago, but still I can recall when it was like
> .99 cents.
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 07:43:57 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: FTE '94 T-Bird Club News

Does almost seem like a club in itself doesn't it? I wonder if the birds
had a special version of the AODE?

There is a web site where all the parts you could want to fix up your AODE
are available including new, improved valves that control line pressure to
the converter clutches etc., Baumann Engineering at:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.baumannengineering.com/index.htm

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> It seems as though just talking about the tranny in my
> bird was enough to cause it to go - - south.
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 07:45:24 -0400
From: "Forest V. New"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - "Unibody" truck debate

Im not sure what kind of quote "unibody" Ford trucks everyone else has
seen, but I sure have never seen a true unibody one. I owned a 63 shortbed
one piece body f-100 that I modified as a teenager from a 6 cyl. to a 352
auto. After spending many hours under that truck I know it had a full
I-beam frame just like any other truck. It also was one of the toughest
truck I think I ever owned. Those bed panels feel like their 1/8" thick.

Forest New
72 XLT Ranger
71 Sport Custom
69 Mach 1
67 mustang coupe
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 07:47:36 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!

In a message dated 10/12/99 7:41:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
gpeters3 visteon.com writes:

> Last
> tankful in Michitan cost me $37.00 at $1.22999999999999999....... for low
> lead regular.

You want to talk about woooshhh? My brother had a 74 F-250 4x4 with a
390 which used some oil. On any given day it was a toss up whether it would
need $20 fill-up of gas or oil. Can you say, "spent rings?"

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (HELP!---I need 15 x5 factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flare Side
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 06:45:18 -0500
From: "Brett Yerks"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - new purchase :))

Actually I need the trailer to tow my wheeling machine with the Supercab.

Brett
76 F250 4x4 460 c6 38's
78 F250 4x4 Supercab 460 c6 33's
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.superford.org/fbird



>good luck on the trailer, i had a hard time finding one long enough for the
>super cab i just bought.
>
>jeff grant


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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 06:47:15 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - "Unibody" truck debate

Thanks for your message at 07:45 AM 10/12/99 -0400, Forest V. New. Your
message was:
>Im not sure what kind of quote "unibody" Ford trucks everyone else has
>seen, but I sure have never seen a true unibody one. I owned a 63 shortbed
>one piece body f-100 that I modified as a teenager from a 6 cyl. to a 352
>auto. After spending many hours under that truck I know it had a full
>I-beam frame just like any other truck.

Thank You. I was starting to think I'd lost my mind until Ken and you
verified my statement.



It also was one of the toughest
>truck I think I ever owned. Those bed panels feel like their 1/8" thick.


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:06:09 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - finished tail lights

I finished my tail light conversion project last night. I now have the
original bulbs working in the original fashion: both work as brake lights
when no turn signal is engaged, when the turn signal is engaged, the other
side works as a brake light. Underneath that bulb is a second bulb behind
the reflector. These are full time brake lights, independent of the turn
signals. All four bulbs run tail lights and all four flash with the four way
flashers. So, I have lots of tail lights, lots of brake lights, and brake
lights on both sides when I am giving a turn signal.

I also added a second bulb like fits in the side marker lights in the center
of both front parking/turn signal housings. This bulb lights with the
parking bulb circuit.

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1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 08:59:20 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - anti-theft hubcaps

>>Has anyone
seen this arrangement on a ford?

Standard on my 88 Towncar. I've seen the same setup on lots of Crown Vics
and Grand Marquis. Any of the wire wheel covers with the center emblem are
set up this way. The center emblem pops out to reveal the keyed bolt.

You have to watch out when reinstalling the tower on the wheel. It is
supposed to float after installing all of the lug nuts. If it doesn't, the
tower is on crooked, the keyed bolt will cross thread and either ruin the
nut in the tower or break it loose. Ask me how I know. (No, I didn't goof it
up but the idiots that installed my new tires last time did. They couldn't
understand why I insisted that they fix it at their cost. Few things are
more dangerous than a typical high school dropout with an impact wrench.)

- -- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:39:24 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - towing engine

The 330 is an FE as I recall and is certainly a torque engine but it still
has less power and torque than a 460. 235r75-16's are 29.88" diameter and
with 4.10 gears I would say you should have enough torque to pull a house
without a trailer! Your crew cab is heavy so it has a penalty built in but
with that gearing you should have plenty of power. I suspect your engine is
VERY, VERY tired so a rebuild must be in order?

If you rebuild get a good RV cam, if it has it already use the OEM spread
bore carb, keep hot air intake and cross over manifold for best low end
performance and cruise economy.

The 79 should already be a wide ratio C-6 but if not you will see a huge
impovement in towing ability due to better around town performance. I can't
actually picture it but for steep grades, if it needs second, the wide ratio
has a slighly lower second too. High gear, of course, is still 1:1.

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> I would like opinions on a good towing engine for a 79 4X2 crewcab. It
> currently has a 460 w/C6.
> I have thought of just rebuilding them both and adding a 3 sp
> aux. Putting
> in a 330 w/5sp & the 3 sp aux. I'm running 410 gears w/235X16
> tires. I tow a
> 24' 5th wheel & want to pull a boat. Thanks, Bob
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:11:05 -0600
From: Sean B Cardwell
Subject: FTE 61-79 - run on

Recently I messed with the timing and carburetion to get my truck to
pass emissions and now it runs on almost every time that I shut it
down. I don't believe it is the idle speed because I am at about 650
RPMs when in park and less when in drive of course. My question is,
could timing cause runon or is it just some other adjustment I will have
to make to the carburetor? When I checked the timing recently it was at
28 degrees advance and the sticker on the engine said it should be at 12
degrees so that is where I put it. The previous owner had the engine
rebuilt and an RV cam was put in but I don't have any idea on the specs
of the cam, should I advance the timing a little more? Thanks for any
help!!!
Sean Cardwell



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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:46:47 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - E series weatherstripping

JC Whittney has this as do Dennis Carpenter and AutoKrafters and some
others. They are typically not pre-moulded but work well just the same.
You need 3-M black rubber cement made for this application to get them to
stay on and you should clean the surface well befor applying it as well.

I didn't think it needed it in the window seals because they snap in but
mine won't stay in so they will be getting the glue treatment too :-) BTW,
they don't stick to rust very well and won't cover much of a hole in the
sheet metal either........:-(

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> My '77 E150 needs weatherstripping - around the doors and the
> felt-rubber
> around the door glass (anyone know what that stuff is
> called?)
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:07:05 -0700
From: "Southerland, Rich"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - E series weatherstripping

I found a set of door seals on ebay. There was a picture and I got the
brand and found the company and emailed them. Here is the response I got...

For the '75-91 Ford vans we have:
Driver Door Seal, Part # LM 110-VL, $25.00/each
Passenger Door Seal, Part # LM 110-VR, $25.00/each
Sliding Door Seal, Part # LM 110-VS, $35.00/each

Metro Moulded Parts, Inc.
11610 Jay Street
Minneapolis MN 55448
Phone 1-800-878-2237
Fax 612-757-7228
sales metrommp.com


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From: Peters, Gary (G.R.) [mailto:gpeters3 visteon.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 7:47 AM
To: '61-79-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - E series weatherstripping


JC Whittney has this as do Dennis Carpenter and AutoKrafters and some
others. They are typically not pre-moulded but work well just the same.
You need 3-M black rubber cement made for this application to get them to
stay on and you should clean the surface well befor applying it as well.

I didn't think it needed it in the window seals because they snap in but
mine won't stay in so they will be getting the glue treatment too :-) BTW,
they don't stick to rust very well and won't cover much of a hole in the
sheet metal either........:-(

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> My '77 E150 needs weatherstripping - around the doors and the
> felt-rubber
> around the door glass (anyone know what that stuff is
> called?)
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:12:48 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - run on

> When I checked the timing recently it was at
> 28 degrees advance and the sticker on the engine said it should be at 12
> degrees so that is where I put it.

Uhm ... did you unplug the vacuum advance when you were checking the timing?
It doesn't sound like it, so you might try that ... unplug the advance, set
the timing back to 12 (as it will probably be near 0 without the advance on)
and then see what happens ...


The previous owner had the engine
> rebuilt and an RV cam was put in but I don't have any idea on the specs
> of the cam, should I advance the timing a little more? Thanks for any
> help!!!

Sure, there's always room to advance ;) Ideally you don't want any pinging
or anything ... one way to do the timing might be :

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/tech/tuneup/tune.html

This should help you get things closer to working ... though if your
compression is too high you'll end up backing off from that even more...
just something to keep in mind.

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:21:22 -0600
From: "Greg Sage"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tappitty, Tap, Tap

Hey folks! Just bought this 78 F150 Ranger w/ 351M/400 for $600 Canadian
(around $300 US..hehe). You guy's probably have answered this already in
many posts I'm sure, as I am new to this list. Also had this problem in my
71 F100 240 Str 6. The "tapping" from the valve covers is driving me crazy!
How can I fix this?? I did a compression test and all cyl were 120PSI
except 2 that were at 98PSI. A buddy was telling me that I couldn't adjust
the rods, as they are "hydrolic"? He said putting in longer rods would
work. It's easy, just takes some time. Need some suggestions. Thanks in
advance!

Greg Sage
Calgary, Alberta...Canada
1978 F150 2WD 351M/400 C6 w/shiftkit 2nd owner (Albert)

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:06:44 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Tappitty, Tap, Tap

I've seen loose or bent push rods trash this engine so I'd take a look under
the valve covers pretty soon If you want to make sure. You probably have
some sticking lifters due to the problem which seems to be inherent in this
engine family, the accumulation of varnish from the oil on all internal
parts. Putting longer pushrods in an engine with collapsed lifters is
inviting trouble and leaving them rattle is too, it needs to be addressed.

In only one engine I have put it in, STP treatment actually did what the
claims say it will, it freed up some lifters in a 352. It won't hurt an
older engine and may fix the problem but don't count on it. In any case
it's a cheap first step. If there is no improvement within a hundred miles
or so then you better open up the top and see what it's doing.

You can replace all the lifters for about $60 US but don't just replace a
few, do the whole thing. The lifters will wear into the cam without
damaging the cam very much but you can't do the reverse, never use a new cam
with old lifters.

When you open it up look for signs that oil is flowing in all the rockers to
lube the push rods and valve stems. Make sure all rockers are properly
secured and there is no obvious damage. Check the keepers on the valve ends
and make sure all the caps and keepers appear to be flush and in proper
relation to each other. Then look at the lifters themselves (requires
removal of the intake manifold) if you can't find anything obvious.

Roll the engine over and check each push rod when the valve is completely
closed for looseness etc. and the rockers as well. With hydraulics there
should always be a little pressure on them even at their loosest position.

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> 71 F100 240 Str 6. The "tapping" from the valve covers is
> driving me crazy!
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:12:10 EDT
From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!

In a message dated 10/12/99 7:49:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, TBeeee aol.com
writes:


> Last
> tankful in Michitan cost me $37.00 at $1.22999999999999999....... for low
> lead regular.

You want to talk about woooshhh? My brother had a 74 F-250 4x4 with a
390 which used some oil. On any given day it was a toss up whether it would
need $20 fill-up of gas or oil. Can you say, "spent rings?" >>


Yes, but I bet there's no mosquito problem when he drives!

George
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:20:22 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - towing engine

> The 79 should already be a wide ratio C-6 but if not you will see a huge

Do you know if the 78 bronco (custom) came with that? What are the ratio's?

> impovement in towing ability due to better around town performance. I can't

impovement? ;-)

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:22:06 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - E series weatherstripping

Just took a quick look on the net and found this site:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.metrommp.com/INDEX.html
which is the site of the company listed below if anyone is interested :-)

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> Metro Moulded Parts, Inc.
> 11610 Jay Street
> Minneapolis MN 55448
> Phone 1-800-878-2237
> Fax 612-757-7228
> sales metrommp.com
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:41:05 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!

Since I cleaned up all my used tires lying out back the mosquito population
in Michigan went down dramatically. Hardly saw one all summer :-) Better
get rid of that lincoln before spring or they'll be back :-)

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> 390 which used some oil. On any given day it was a toss up
> whether it would
> need $20 fill-up of gas or oil. Can you say, "spent rings?" >>
>
> Yes, but I bet there's no mosquito problem when he drives!
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:48:36 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - towing engine

My 78 custom Pickup has one from the factory. With 2.75 gears and 28" tires
its a screamer :-)

I had a standard ratio in the van with the same engine and I can tell you
the difference is dramatic :-) Yes even with a 460 :-) The beauty is that
you take advantage of the whopping torque of the 460 and still have a decent
top end by spreading the gears out so you can use taller hieney gears for a
better cruise and still have a bunch at the bottom for lift off :-)

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> > The 79 should already be a wide ratio C-6 but if not you
> will see a huge
>
> Do you know if the 78 bronco (custom) came with that? What
> are the ratio's?
>
> > impovement in towing ability due to better around town
> performance. I can't
>
> impovement? ;-)
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:23:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Lee
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: fuel mileage with different engines

Check this out!

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.american-pi.com/safegard.html

>> A 400 would get decent mileage if it had some
>> compression. I have a 400 with flattop pistons and
>>4V Clevland heads (it has about 10.2:1 compression
>>ratio) in my '53 F100, but I don't need to meet any
>>emisions specs. I haven't had it on the road yet, so
>>I don't know what kind of mileage it gets. Also a
>>'53 is a far cry from a '79 extended cab 4x4.


>What fuel are you running this beast on ? At least
>100octane I hope! Or
>did you put AL heads on it, in which case its not so
>bad, but I can'thardly
>get any advance on the 9.5+ that I have in the FE
>without getting someping...

Dan Lee
'53 F100
400C-4V




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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:33:26 EDT
From: Samot84 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - what kind?

hello. name's tomas. anyway, i joined this list in the hopes that maybe
somebody could give me a bit of guidance. I'm looking to buy a ranchero. I
like the way the '73 looks, but don't know much about them. Maybe somebody
could tell me what I can expect to pay for one, if it's a good year, etc...
thanks,
- -tomas
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:36:51 -0800
From: "4Travis"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Brake Lines

Went to add brake fluid to my completly rebuilt brake system on my 74F250
FWD and about half the fittings for the new brake lines I made leaked! Very
frustrating, I thought I had done a good job of double flaring the 3/16
brake lines I made. Oh well one step forward two steps back...

Geff Travis
ALASKA
96 F350 FWD PSD
81 F250
74 F250 FWD Full resto in progress




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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:36:58 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 79, F-250 with sick 460....

Gang, I just pulled up my spread sheet and according to my calculations this
crew cab should be screaming at 60 mph? I get 29.88" tires with 4.10 gears
and 460 doing 2822 at 60!!!! I've had 4 bangers that could pull a boat with
that kind of rpms :-) I must have been sleeping when I responded to this
earlier. Holy Cow Batman! My truck, running at about 1950 rpm at 60 has
GOBBBBBS of torque when I step on it. I rarely even want it to downshift
for passing, even hard passing so, either this engine is really sick or it's
not really a 460.

Bob and Becky, are you sure this is really a 460? Seriously, I'm not trying
to be insulting here I really am curious?

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:02:52 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Brake Lines

I had this problem too and it's because you force the point into the flare
too hard or don't leave a tad extra more than the book calls for in the
original (first) flare. I found that if I left about 1/32 or so hanging out
of the block on the first flare and only take it down with moderate pressure
and then don't quite home it on the second flare that it doesn't crack or
deform and works every time out of the box. The first flare is critical to
the way the second will fold so needs to be done neatly and completely but
not over zealously. The second needs to be completely folded over and
shaped but not "quite" completely compressed, the fitting will finish
compressing it. Leave just a tiny bit of spring in it for the fitting to
finish.

Hope this helps :-)

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> FWD and about half the fittings for the new brake lines I
> made leaked! Very
> frustrating, I thought I had done a good job of double
> flaring the 3/16
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:53:31 -0400
From: "Serian"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - looking at the truck

> " ... the Ch**y pickup, which had a unibody-type vehicle
> starting in 1955, I believe...Very nice looking truck (Please
> don't flame me...!!!). "

Hey, we all know that the Ford trucks are better, so there is
no harm in admitting that some of the not-Fords look good :-)



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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:06:49 -0400
From: "Serian"
Subject: Re: Fuel price, was : Re: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!

Here in northeast PA (on the eastern end of things) it runs
about $1.329/gal for 87 octane, $1.479/gal for 93.

Ever notice that it seems like if someone sneezes on an
empty oil drum halfway across the world, its an excuse
to raise the prices of fuel products, but in order for them
to drop a few cents, the whole petroleum industry has to
be drowning in oil ?


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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:11:45 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - what kind?

> hello. name's tomas.

Welcome Tomas ...

> I'm looking to buy a
> ranchero. I
> like the way the '73 looks, but don't know much about them.
> Maybe somebody
> could tell me what I can expect to pay for one, if it's a good
> year, etc...

73 was an interesting year for the cars and such, and I believe the 72's
look VERY similar, though the bumper itself on the front may be different
... they had the same drivetrain as the full size cars those years, and a
few unique parts, so they should be easy to fix up mechanically, but may be
a trick in the looks department...

We've got a 70 at home, its lotsa fun, but we haven't really had to do much
more than routine maintenance to it, so finding parts hasn't really been a
problem ... I guess that would be my advice then, find a solid body and you
should be pretty well set ... the drivetrain is a cross between the truck
and the car, so parts should be plentiful for that, the interior is
essentially Torino, including the front seat(s)...

I hope that helps a little ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:25:29 -0700
From: "Southerland, Rich"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - stalling problem(kinda long)

The parts store where I work stopped testing modules as the testers proved
to be unreliable. One of the problems lies in that the failure mode of a
large portion of modules is they work until they heat up, then fail. If
allowed to cool, they will resume working until they heat up again, ect,
ect...

By the time the module was unbolted and driven to the parts store, an
otherwise bad module might test good...

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From: ETRMK aol.com

Pull the ignition brain box(2 minutes) yard that sucker down to the parts
store and have it tested.30-40 bux if thats your problem.



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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:58:51 PDT
From: "George Litton"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tappitty, Tap, Tap

Hi Greg,

Welcome to the list. The ticking you are hearing is a common problem for
this series of engines. It also plagues the 460 style motors. These two
styles are built with the "pedestal" style rocker arms. They have a rocker
arm that rides on a curved fulcrum that bolts to a pedestal cast into the
head.

The problem here is that the rocker is stamped steel, and wears out very
easily. I work in a machine shop, and we throw all used rockers and
fulcrums out, no inspection of them even! It seems that a very high
percentage of them are junk, so we price new rockers into every rebuild.

The stuck lifter problem mentioned in another post is worth doing, but I bet
you will quiet every thing down by replacing the rockers and fulcrums. If
you are trying to keep it cheap, you can mill the bottom of the fulcrums[to
shorten them up] with a file, or VERY careful use of a grinder. I've done
this as a fix until I could rebuild my tired motor. .010-.015 is enough to
quiet things down.

If you cure the problem, post the cure, as there are a lot of these engines
out there.

Good Luck!!!

George Litton in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho


>From: "Greg Sage"
>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>To: "Ford List"
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tappitty, Tap, Tap
>Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:21:22 -0600
>
>Hey folks! Just bought this 78 F150 Ranger w/ 351M/400 for $600 Canadian
>(around $300 US..hehe). You guy's probably have answered this already in
>many posts I'm sure, as I am new to this list. Also had this problem in my
>71 F100 240 Str 6. The "tapping" from the valve covers is driving me
>crazy!
>How can I fix this?? I did a compression test and all cyl were 120PSI
>except 2 that were at 98PSI. A buddy was telling me that I couldn't adjust
>the rods, as they are "hydrolic"? He said putting in longer rods would
>work. It's easy, just takes some time. Need some suggestions. Thanks in
>advance!
>
>Greg Sage
>Calgary, Alberta...Canada
>1978 F150 2WD 351M/400 C6 w/shiftkit 2nd owner (Albert)
>
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:13:10 EDT
From: DR11AGON aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1978 Ford F150 Supercab 4x4 parting out sale:

PARTING OUT SALE:
1978 FORD F150, Supercab 4x4: Has many good parts. whole front end no rust, 2
cabs to chose from, solid 8' bed, good drivetrain: 351M(crane cam, edelbrock
intake, holley 4 barrel, flowtech headers, dual exhaust with h-pipe and
flowmasters), C-6 tranny, transfer case, Ford 9" rear(3.50 gears), Dana44
front(3.50 gears), new doors, new door weatherstrip, new front window visor,
new parking brake cable, 1/2 good tread on 35" B.F. Goodrich All-Terrain.
Call for prices. mileage: 138000.
(215) 886-6956 Located in Pennsylvania, Philadelphia area.
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 21:23:50 -0400
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1978 Ford F150 Supercab 4x4 parting out sale:

DR11AGON aol.com wrote:
>
> PARTING OUT SALE:
> 1978 FORD F150, Supercab 4x4: Has many good parts.

Why are you parting it??

OX
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 22:09:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: crewcab altavista.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Door Seal Gaps! Oh No!

It finally got cool enough in the morning to keep all
the windows closed and I heard a loud whistling noise
coming through the recently re-sealed passenger door.

Closer inspection reveals that there is a gap between
the upper door and the frame. Seems that the upper
right forward portion of the cab was pushed in a bit.
One of my bro's rolled it onto it's side years ago,
and they couldn't get it back out to where it should
have been. This explains why it gets wet inside on
the right front floor.

Not so much to be really noticeable, but enough to keep
the seal from doing it's job.

Any suggestions?

Jeff '64 F100 CrewCab

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 22:58:26 EDT
From: DRVNDBUS aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1978 Ford F150 Supercab 4x4 parting out sale:

In a message dated 10/12/99 4:25:14 PM Pacific Standard Time,
DR11AGON aol.com writes:


PARTING OUT SALE:
1978 FORD F150, Supercab 4x4: Has many good parts. whole front end no rust,
2
cabs to chose from, solid 8' bed, good drivetrain: 351M(crane cam, edelbrock
intake, holley 4 barrel, flowtech headers, dual exhaust with h-pipe and
flowmasters), C-6 tranny, transfer case, Ford 9" rear(3.50 gears), Dana44
front(3.50 gears), new doors, new door weatherstrip, new front window visor,
new parking brake cable, 1/2 good tread on 35" B.F. Goodrich All-Terrain.
Call for prices. mileage: 138000.
(215) 886-6956 Located in Pennsylvania, Philadelphia area.
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I am very interested in many of the parts you have listed If you would be as
kind to send me directions to where I may be able to inspect the parts that I
am interested in it would be appreciated You can email me at DRVNDBUS AOL.COM
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 23:24:11 EDT
From: Brazzadog aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 4v for 351M

Howdy List

I actually came out of deep lurk mode.

I just scored a freshly remanufactured (by Holley) Motorcraft 4350 for cheap!
I don't have a clue what the 4350 was used on though. This after a neighbor
GIVES me a cast iron 4v intake manifold off a 460!

So... have I guessed right that the 460 intake will fit on my 351M? Is there
a way to make the 4350 work with this intake even though the secondary bores
don't match too well? I haven't seen any adapters that look like they will
do the job. Thanks for any info.

Ben Williams
'78 F-250
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 23:24:21 EDT
From: Brazzadog aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '78 Bronco hub/rotor

I've got a friend with a '78 Bronco that needs new hub/rotor assemblies. I
know another guy with a '80s IFS 4x4 F-150 he's parting out. Anybody know
which years these hub/rotor assemblies were the same for Bronco/F-150? Seems
like some of the early Broncos had the same hub/rotor as well. Thanks.

Ben Williams
'78 F-250
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 21:02:16 -0700
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 4v for 351M

Unfortunately the intake manifold of a 460 WILL NOT fit either a 351M or a
400, so it is a good thing it was free... :^)
I would try and find a manifold that matches the throttle bores closely, the
last thing you want is wierd airflow through the intake.

Rade Spasojevic -- rspasoje mindspring.com
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From: Brazzadog aol.com
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 8:24 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 4v for 351M


>Howdy List
>
>I actually came out of deep lurk mode.
>
>I just scored a freshly remanufactured (by Holley) Motorcraft 4350 for
cheap!
> I don't have a clue what the 4350 was used on though. This after a
neighbor
>GIVES me a cast iron 4v intake manifold off a 460!
>
>So... have I guessed right that the 460 intake will fit on my 351M? Is
there
>a way to make the 4350 work with this intake even though the secondary
bores
>don't match too well? I haven't seen any adapters that look like they will
>do the job. Thanks for any info.
>
>Ben Williams
>'78 F-250
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 00:04:17 EDT
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 4v for 351M

In a message dated 10/12/1999 8:27:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
Brazzadog aol.com writes:

>

Unfortunately it will not fit, sorry.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 21:19:59 -0700
From: Dale Blanchard
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - looking at the truck

Serian wrote:
>
> > " ... the Ch**y pickup, which had a unibody-type vehicle
> > starting in 1955, I believe...Very nice looking truck (Please
> > don't flame me...!!!). "
>
> Hey, we all know that the Ford trucks are better, so there is
> no harm in admitting that some of the not-Fords look good :-)
>
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In the early 60's ford had a unibody econoline with the little 6 inline.
It it had a problem of getting stuck off road because the body would not
flex enough and one of the rear tires would stay off the ground and it
would not move. I hade a Corviar Van (Chev) at the same time and it
worked real well for 180k on dino oil. Got smushed.
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 00:16:50 EDT
From: Brazzadog aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: fuel mileage on different engines ?....


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