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In this issue:

RE: FTE 61-79 - Losing gas from carb?
Re: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - It Started
Re: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!
RE: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!
RE: FTE 61-79 - It Started
Re: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - It Started
RE: FTE 61-79 - Losing gas from carb?
FTE 61-79 - Highboy Steering
Re: FTE 61-79 - Just installed Pertronix Ignitor mod.........
RE: FTE 61-79 - Losing gas from carb?
FTE 61-79 - EFI, Computers and such
FTE 61-79 - Rear axle ratio
Re: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!
RE: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!
FTE 61-79 - '73 F250 P/S
Re: FTE 61-79 - Highboy Steering
Re: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!
RE: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!
FTE 61-79 - Buick V8 in an F100
FTE 61-79 - 74 F250 4X4 w full floating axle Brake job question
FTE 61-79 - Duals on non dual rear axle
FTE 61-79 - starts - dies
Re: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!
RE: FTE 61-79 - starts - dies
FTE 61-79 - full floating axle kit- when doing brakes
Re: FTE 61-79 - 74 F250 4X4 w full floating axle Brake job question
FTE 61-79 - RPM's Speeds
FTE 61-79 - Longbed Flairside
FTE 61-79 - Weekend warrior ?
FTE 61-79 - Howling
Re: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - '73 F250 P/S
FTE 61-79 - Anybody for a '62 F100 Stepside?
FTE 61-79 - 1966 Engine Rebuild Project
Re: FTE 61-79 - EFI, Computers and such
Re: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Howling
Re: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1966 Engine Rebuild Project
Re: FTE 61-79 - 74 F250 4X4 w full floating axle Brake job question
FTE 61-79 - NO OIL PRESURE!
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1966 Engine Rebuild Project
Re: FTE 61-79 - NO OIL PRESURE!
Re: FTE 61-79 - NO OIL PRESURE!
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1966 Engine Rebuild Project
FTE 61-79 - Stainless & Chrome
Re: FTE 61-79 - full floating axle kit- when doing brakes
Re: FTE 61-79 - 74 F250 4X4 w full floating axle Brake jobquestion
Re: FTE 61-79 - Stainless & Chrome

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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 03:19:06 PDT
From: "White Wolf"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Losing gas from carb?

$25 for an electric pump and $5 for a manual pump cover.... Best thing I
ever did(other than rebuild the engine).


> > This weekend my 352 with stock 2v developed starting problems.
> > It will crank,
> > start, and then immediately die. The only thing that I can do
> > to get and keep it
> > running is to add gas into the carb. Once started in this
> > manner it runs fine.
> > Seems to me the carb bowl is not holding gas. But what would
> > cause this?
>
>The fuel pump is supposed to hold the fuel line, otherwise it can siphon
>back out of the line and back into the tank, then if weak, it may not pull
>enough back up to actually keep it running ... this happens with vehicles
>that sit a bit sometimes ... $15 for a new pump, a half hour to put it in,
>and you should be runnin like new.
>

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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 03:27:01 PDT
From: "White Wolf"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!

> > 1.) Lately as soon as I loosen my gas cap air whooshes out...what's up
>w/
> > that?
> >
>
>The cap should be vented, but it sounds as if yours isn't working
>properly.
>

I've never been able to find a vented cap for my '66 F100... I was told by
Chiefs, Gateway, Autozone, and Pep boys that they didnt make them.

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:15:18 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - It Started

In a message dated 10/5/99 11:48:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
granteversoll yahoo.com writes:

> This may be no great news to you but today the 1976
> ford f250 that I got for free STARTED and drove, I'm
> happy...
There is nothing like the revival of an ole Ford.....praise the Lord....one
more saved from the reaper.


Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (HELP!---I need 15 x5 factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 07:44:47 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!

Now that I think about it, I don't think the original cap for my '70 was
vented. It just had an old cracked gasket on it. I may have goofed in my
earlier post!

Jason

> >The cap should be vented, but it sounds as if yours isn't working
> >properly.

> I've never been able to find a vented cap for my '66 F100... I was told by
> Chiefs, Gateway, Autozone, and Pep boys that they didnt make them.
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:54:44 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!

> > > 1.) Lately as soon as I loosen my gas cap air whooshes
> out...what's up
> >w/
> > > that?
> > >
> >
> >The cap should be vented, but it sounds as if yours isn't working
> >properly.
> >
>
> I've never been able to find a vented cap for my '66 F100... I
> was told by
> Chiefs, Gateway, Autozone, and Pep boys that they didnt make them.
>

Okay, are you sure its air wooshing OUT ? A lot of the times its air
wooshing IN. As you drive you are removing fuel from the tank, that's gotta
be replaced by air from somewhere, if the vent is clogged,then you can end
up with a vaccuum in the tank ... taken to extremes it can collapse the tank
(ask how I know...)

I did a little looking on my truck and found out that the rubber gasket that
was on there was being sucked into the vent itself and plugging it ... so I
had some gasket material laying around, found some about the appropriate
thickness and cut a rough doughnut out of it (circle with a hole in the
middle) after a few shots at trimming it to the right size I have a new
gasket and no more vent problems ...

Stant should still make the caps (at least they did a few years ago when I
worked at the parts store), but they come with stainless or aluminum (didn't
look close) covers instead of standard paintable ones ... you can
disassemble them (2 screws on the back) and put your cover over them though
... also they may have the plastic handles you're looking for Lisa ...

I'd check the gasket first though ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:55:35 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - It Started

> This may be no great news to you but today the 1976
> ford f250 that I got for free STARTED and drove, I'm
> happy...
>

As someone else said, its always great when an old Ford starts again and is
driving around ... where do people come across these deals ? ;)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:25:28 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!

In a message dated 10/6/99 3:30:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
whitewolf_ hotmail.com writes:

>

I broke the lil check valve out of my sealed caps after a hot day resulted in
my rear tank expanding to the point it broke! I have a nice crack in it now
that leaks for the first 50 miles. Ive got a plastic welding kit Im gonna
use to fix it, but Im not havin it happen again. My truck was designed
specifically for vented caps, and without em, well the rest is history.
Lisa, your truck has a vapor recovery so a non vented cap is mandatory for
your truck. Id have to say the problem lies elsewhere.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 06:28:34 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!

Thanks for your message at 10:57 PM 10/5/99 EDT, Bad4dFilly aol.com. Your
message was:
> >2.) Where can I get a new gas cap at? I gotta metal one on now and it
HURTS
>when I remove it *ouch* Is it possible to get a newer style plastic one?

It hurts when I remove my gas cap, also...but mainly because of the price
of the fuel I'm about to put into my truck...


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:30:02 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - It Started

In a message dated 10/6/99 5:58:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wish iastate.edu
writes:


driving around ... where do people come across these deals ? ;) >>

I could take the pessimist route and say thats one less truck for us to get
parts from in a wrecking yard, but nah, I cant do it. Glad to hear you got
it goin. Good luck with it, and keep us posted with all the lil things you
do to it, and all the lil things it does to drive you batty.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 06:32:48 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Losing gas from carb?

Thanks for your message at 03:19 AM 10/6/99 PDT, White Wolf. Your message was:
>$25 for an electric pump and $5 for a manual pump cover.... Best thing I
>ever did(other than rebuild the engine).

What is your source? The last electric I bought was closer to $100.


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 09:58:28 -0700
From: "O'Connor"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Highboy Steering

Hi Kirk,
Do you have the Ford part numbers for the steering parts you need?

Tim 66F100 Custom Cab SWB with 352, P/S & O/D

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:27:06 -0500
From: "John R. Austin"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Just installed Pertronix Ignitor mod.........

Just an added endorsement for Pertronix. I had the wrong one shipped the
first time but was quickly replaced by the correct one. Love the way it
soothed my 300.

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Date: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 2:24 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Just installed Pertronix Ignitor mod.........


>I know this has been covered before, however...
>
>I just replaced my points and condenser with an "Ignitor" package from
>Pertronix.
>
> I am very happy with the results! My truck is running smoother across
>the whole power band. It is especially noticeable, however, in my low idle
>which now purrs. I would have been happy with the modification if it only
>replaced the points setup; although I have to say that at least some of the
>advertised returns on this product are true. The installation couldn't be
>any easier, as testified by the fact that I'm not that skilled of a wrench
>turner.
> What I'm really putting this post out for is to plug where I
>mail-ordered the parts from. These guys were very helpful and
conscientious
>and there prices are unbeatable. Shipping was prompt and free (priority
>mail USPS). They sent me a follow-up email confirming that they had
shipped
>my order and explaining that if on the outside chance I had the wrong parts
>to let them know (see below)
>
>[NO... I am not affiliated ...I just like honest retailers]
>
>
>Jim White
>65 F100 / 300ci S6 / 4spd
>white micron.net /Boise, ID
>
>Retro Rockets - Pertronix Electronic Ignition Conversion Kits
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.vintageperformance.com/retrorockets/
>
>> Jim,
>>
>> We received your order today and shipped it out. There is a question
>> about your engine. Does it have the Thermactor (air pump) on it? If
>> so, we will have to ship you a different Ignitor. We shipped a 1266
>> which is for engines without Thermactors. I just noticed in some
>> reference material that your engine may have a Thermactor and would
>> therefore take a 1261. Please let me know ASAP about your engine. We
>> can send the 1261out immediately and include a check for shipping the
>> 1266 back to us.
>>
>> Tried to call you this morning and left a message.
>>
>> Sorry for the inconvenience. We want to be sure you get the right
>> parts.
>>
>> Carl
>> Retro Rockets
>>
>>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 08:08:23 PDT
From: "White Wolf"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Losing gas from carb?

>Thanks for your message at 03:19 AM 10/6/99 PDT, White Wolf. Your message
>was:
> >$25 for an electric pump and $5 for a manual pump cover.... Best thing I
> >ever did(other than rebuild the engine).
>
>What is your source? The last electric I bought was closer to $100.
>
>
>Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

I got my last one at Autozone... local parts dealer

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:22:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Lee
Subject: FTE 61-79 - EFI, Computers and such

I read the recent thread about EFI and would love a
reasonably priced EFI on my 400. In the meantime I
would settle for a ignition computer that supports a
knock sensor, since my 400 has 10.2:1 compression
ratio. I would like to drop some total advance when
the knock sensor detects detonation. I know that MSD
makes a unit that will do that for turbos, but that's
based on boost not detonation. Jacobs also makes a
computer that they claim is suitable for this engine,
but I am trying to get the details on this unit. Does
anyone know of anything available with this
capability?

Dan Lee
'53 F100
400C-4V

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:40:30 -0600
From: "Jeffery G. Conrad"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rear axle ratio

All,
Is there a simple way to determine the gear ratio for a 9" rear end without
taking the pumpkin out?
I thought I saw a thread about that a few months ago.
TIA,
Jeff Conrad
Software Developer, NxTrend Technology Inc.
jconrad nxtrend.com

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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 10:47:58 -0500
From: Larry Schmiedekamp
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!

I may be wrong, but I'm thinking that the older trucks/cars had a vent hose
coming out the tank its self. Somewhere around the sending unit.

I may be all wet but I'm sticking to it.

At 07:44 AM 10/6/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Now that I think about it, I don't think the original cap for my '70 was
>vented. It just had an old cracked gasket on it. I may have goofed in my
>earlier post!
>
>Jason
>
>> >The cap should be vented, but it sounds as if yours isn't working
>> >properly.
>
>> I've never been able to find a vented cap for my '66 F100... I was told by
>> Chiefs, Gateway, Autozone, and Pep boys that they didnt make them.
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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 11:00:05 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!

Larry Schmiedekamp wrote:
>
> I may be wrong, but I'm thinking that the older trucks/cars had a vent hose
> coming out the tank its self. Somewhere around the sending unit.

The tank on my '70 has the filler neck on the upper driver side corner,
and the fuel outlet line coming out by the sending unit. No vent.

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:37:54 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!

> I may be wrong, but I'm thinking that the older trucks/cars had
> a vent hose
> coming out the tank its self. Somewhere around the sending unit.
>
> I may be all wet but I'm sticking to it.
>

Okay, here's the deal as far as i've seen it go ... there are 2 different
systems we're talking about here ... one is the old style, which consists of
a vented cap to let air in or out as necessary, the other is the newer
"recovery" style which is supposed to take expanding air, pass it through
the charcoal canister to get the "bad stuff" out and then go into the air
cleaner so it gets burned with the rest of the air/fuel mixture ... the
older styles have a couple different approaches from what I've seen ... I
had the one like above on my truck, but that didn't work well with a filler
neck for the ohter version, so I switched the tanks out (?!?!) anyway this
older version doesn't have hte recapture stuff in it, it does have a vent
tube that runs parallel to the fill tube, and enters the fill tube at the
very top (so it doesn't get used as another fill tube) ... this style
requires the vent in the cap to work both ways, as this is the only way out
for any expansion ... and the only way in if there is suction from the gas
exiting ... the other has a check valve in the cap ... even older units may
not have a separate vent hose and may just run through the filler neck on
the assumption that you're never going to pump gas fast enough to fill the
whole neck up ...

One thing that you need to watch on these is that the vent hose stays higher
or at least as high as the fill hose, otherwise you'll get gas sloshing back
into the vent and plugging the vent ... result? won't take gas very fast at
all as it needs to bubble back through the filler tube to vent out ... One
thing I've considered doing is avoiding the steel portion of the vent tube
altogether and just running the hose up and zip tying it to the top portion
of the vent tube but still leaving it exposed to the air, this way its a
constant, or at least continually, down hill run to the tank so it won't
store water or gas in it,and with a cloth of some sort over the top of it
zip tie that on too :) it shoudl keep the big chunks out ...


Hope this helps ...

Lemme know if I took to big of a leap on one of the assumptions too ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 11:59:23 -0500
From: "Howard Bottles"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '73 F250 P/S

All-
I am new to this list and am really happy to find a list dealing with
older Ford Trucks.

Currently I have several trucks, some run, some don't. The running ones
are a '74 F100, '73 F250
the non running ones are late '60s I use for parts.

I am in the process of rebuilding the engine in the 3/4 ton and I want
to add P/S to it. It now is a 3spd column shift, and I plan to install a
4spd and p/s. If anyone has any tips or info about this swap, I would
appreciate it. I am sure I am not the first person to do this type of
thing.

Thanks
Howardb

PS I am also looking for the P/S brackets for the pump to mount on a
390.......

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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 11:14:31 -0600
From: Kirk Baillie
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Highboy Steering

No i don't but i can try and get them if it will help.

O'Connor wrote:
>
> Hi Kirk,
> Do you have the Ford part numbers for the steering parts you need?
>
> Tim 66F100 Custom Cab SWB with 352, P/S & O/D
>
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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 10:56:24 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!

>> I may be wrong, but I'm thinking that the older trucks/cars had a vent hose
>> coming out the tank its self. Somewhere around the sending unit.

> The tank on my '70 has the filler neck on the upper driver side corner,
>and the fuel outlet line coming out by the sending unit. No vent.
>
>Jason

My '71 has a vent from the top of the tank that goes to the charcoal
canister in the engine compartment.


Steve
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:06:21 -0700
From: "Southerland, Rich"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!

How about this...
My '77 E150 has a vent on the top of one tank, but no vent on the other...

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From: sdelanty sonic.net [mailto:sdelanty sonic.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 10:56 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!



>> I may be wrong, but I'm thinking that the older trucks/cars had a vent
hose
>> coming out the tank its self. Somewhere around the sending unit.

> The tank on my '70 has the filler neck on the upper driver side corner,
>and the fuel outlet line coming out by the sending unit. No vent.
>
>Jason

My '71 has a vent from the top of the tank that goes to the charcoal
canister in the engine compartment.


Steve
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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 13:45:49 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Buick V8 in an F100

>I've never seen a 455 in a Ford but I've seen several Chebbies and G Cs.
>They look pretty good and should keep the back tires burned down to nubs.
>Are you sure you want to ruin a perfectly good Ford with a Buick engine and
>tranny?
>I'm sure it isn't a "perfectly good" truck if he wants to do this. It is
>amazing how some people can totally ruin good trucks (not applying to this
>person). Anything can be ruined, no matter how good it is :-(

I was being tongue in cheek. Everybody knows that I secretly lust to put a
500 cid Caddy mill in an F150 some day. Well maybe not everybody.......'til
now.

- -- John
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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 12:51:30 -0600
From: Kirk Baillie
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 74 F250 4X4 w full floating axle Brake job question

I am about to do the brakes on my 74 f250 4x4 with heavy duty drums all
round (GVW-7100), and I have a few questions. It has a dana60 full
floating rear axle, how do i go about removing the drums. I took a look
at it and the drums would not come off it seems i have to undo the bolts
for the full floating axle and take them out first. Is this correct
what other things will i have to do to get at the brakes.
And the front seems to be the same way, the drums would not come off
and seemed like i would have to take the hubs off to get the drums off?
The haynes manual is not to helpful, all it says is take off wheel
remove proper retaining components.

Thanks
Kirk Baillie
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:14:43 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Duals on non dual rear axle

So now I'm babbling... Just don't finish it with the "idiot" portion and I'll
be OK.

Some one wrote>> > I was wondering if anyone could tell me if its possible to
make
> a dually out of a non dually. I have a 79 F-250 Supercab with a
> 460 and a full floating rear axle. I am interested in the info
> on the axle not cosmetic on the body to cover the potential
> wheels. Thanks in advance

Wish answered:>>
It seems like Azie was babbling something about back plate spacing once ...
and that the duallie is a different rearend than a dual rear wheel, so the
dually rear should fit under your truck, since they use the same bed with
the cosmetic flares on the outside right ?

The axles are probably Dana 60's or 70's depending on year and configuration
and all that jazz ... dunno about ratios from the factory, likely 3.73 or
4.10's ...


I reply:
My son is running dual wheels on a Dana 70 under his '79 F350 4X4 that was
originally under a F350 pickup (single rear wheel).. The inner tire rubbed the
springs, so a 3/4" spacer was fabricated out of aluminum and longer lugs were
installed to compensate for the extra wheel and spacer on each side. We've
never had any trouble out of it, but then it has never been really loaded
either. It is rarely ever used for anything except for My son and his two sons
to "go cruising" in. Has NP435 and 460 in it. Costly cruising if you ask me,
but he didn't ask.

Just because it has dual wheels on it doesn't make it a "duallie" That name is
for the factory F350's that had dual wheels and outside flares on the pickup
style bed to cover the wheels. Those rearends are wider than the dual wheel
rearend under my farm truck with duals on it. It came as a C&C(cab & chassis)
and has a 14' flatbed on it. I'm led to believe that the "duallie" rear and the
E 350(van style) has the same rearend. I do not know this for a fact.. I do
know that my farm truck and a duallie of the same year has different length
axles.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:22:09 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - starts - dies

Brian writes: >>This weekend my 352 with stock 2v developed starting problems.
It will crank,
start, and then immediately die. The only thing that I can do to get and keep
it
running is to add gas into the carb. Once started in this manner it runs fine.
Seems to me the carb bowl is not holding gas

Accelerator pump!!
Ignition off. Look down throat of carb - open throttle rapidly - you should
see two very healthy streams of raw gas right at the top of the openings of the
carb(venturi). You may have to hold the choke flap open for this procedure. If
you do not see thiese streams of raw gas then you need an accelerator pump
overhaul.

Azie


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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:46:10 EDT
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!

In a message dated 10/06/1999 12:57:55 PM !!!First Boot!!!, wish iastate.edu
writes:


wooshing IN. >>

I'm positive cuz I can see the gas vapors when the air comes out and I get a
big wiff of gas comin out too *yuck*


of the fuel I'm about to put into my truck..>>

Yeah tell me about it! My friends complain that there cars takes 10$ to fill
up the tank....TRY 25$ LOL I have such a hard time puttin the gas in my truck
its actually WORTH IT to go to a more expensive station just so I dont have
to deal w/ all the problems LOL My gas cap is metal and since it has suction
on it or whatever, it's nearly impossible to unscrew
even had to get it off for me, that was SO embarrassing!> I wanna get a new
plastic one that doesnt cut my hand when I unscrew it

*~*~Lisa~*~*

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:59:57 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - starts - dies

> Brian writes: >>This weekend my 352 with stock 2v developed
> starting problems.
> It will crank,
> start, and then immediately die. The only thing that I can do
> to get and keep
> it
> running is to add gas into the carb. Once started in this
> manner it runs fine.
> Seems to me the carb bowl is not holding gas
>
> Accelerator pump!!

that was my first thought too Azie, but it should idle without stalling, the
accelerator pump is used only when the gas is stepped on to help accelerate
the motor ... your method of checking is exactly right on though, and I
would definitely check it if the fuel pump doesn't fix things ...

> Ignition off. Look down throat of carb - open throttle rapidly
> - you should
> see two very healthy streams of raw gas right at the top of the
> openings of the
> carb(venturi). You may have to hold the choke flap open for this
> procedure. If
> you do not see thiese streams of raw gas then you need an
> accelerator pump
> overhaul.
>


Sorry about the babbling comment earlier too, I just wasn't paying close
enough attention when you posted it the first time ;)


Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 14:33:40 -0600
From: Kirk Baillie
Subject: FTE 61-79 - full floating axle kit- when doing brakes

I need to know the name (part #) of the kit that consists of the gasket,
axle nut lock washer and other lock washers, for when working on the
brakes (drum) of a full floating dana60 axle.
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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 16:39:06 -0400
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 74 F250 4X4 w full floating axle Brake job question

Hey Kirk--

Just went through doing this to my '76 F-250 4x4-- should be identical-- a
bunch of members from the list put enough information together for me to
make it a snap, so I'll sum it all up and pass it on down to you!

Addressing the rearend:

Yes, you have to pull the 8 bolts that hold your axle shafts in, and slide
the shaft out and set it somewhere.

At this point, you are going to need a special socket-- either (they have 2
sizes--) a 2 1/2 for a 2 9/16 inch rounded corner socket. I bought one
from Napa for $30 dollars, but I needed it right away.

Between the two nuts that you can see once you pull the axle shaft out,
there is a crush washer on a little keyway-- it has a bunch of bendable
ears on it that fold over the flat spots on the nuts, bend the ones that
face the outside nut up straight, take the outer nut off, the washer off,
and the inner nut off. take a hammer and pound the washer ears flat and
set it to the side. Now (if you're lucky) you can slide the drum off--
watch out your outer wheelbearing doesn't fall into the floor in some dirt
causing you to have to spend lots of time cleaning it.. 8-)

Once the drum is off, see if it needs turned-- I had some guys arguing with
me at the shop over the specs a drum can be turned-- Dana - 60's used two
different sized drums-- a 12 inch, and a 12 1/8 inch.

As far as doing the brakes-- it's self explanatory-- I bought a new spring
kit-- for only $10 bucks, it's worth it-- You might need a hand with this
because taking off the little keeper springs that hold the shoe to the
backing plate is simple, but those new springs going back on makes you
wanna say a few cuss words and yell at the emergency brake lever that is in
your way.. 8-) You'll see-- ;-)

I neverseized my self adjuster threads while I was at it and cleaned them
all up.

After you get your drums turned, it's worth the extra few bucks to put new
bearing/axle shaft seals into each of them ($1.50 for timkens) because the
shop that turns the drum will ruin the old ones anyway taking out the inner
bearing.

I repacked my bearings with wheel bearing grease because I figured it
couldn't hurt anything, and the advise of the list agreed.. 8-) It'll
take a few moments when driving for the gearlube to work it's way back out
to the hubs that leaked out when you took the axle shaft out... (make sure
you check your fluid level when everything is all done!)

Put the outer bearing on, it's all feel here-- some do it differently than
others, so I said the HeX with it and put them down to the same tight (but
snug) feeling I do the front bearings (and with my luck I'll be doing these
bearings again withing a month (smile)) and put the washer back on, outer
nut to about 85 lbs, and bend the ears in and out accordingly-- then I
just used permatex formagasket on the axle shafts like the previous person.

Fill your axle lube, use a jack and jack up one side of the rear axle, then
the other (to flow lube to hubs-- I don't know if it helps, but it couldn't
hurt I figured!) Set the the brakes by the adjuster and put the little
rubber boot back in the backing plate, and go test your brakes..

Front axle works the same exact way with more little parts for the hub and
no emergency brake crap to get in the way! 8-)

Tony
tony pscico.com
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At 12:51 PM 10/6/99 -0600, you wrote:
>I am about to do the brakes on my 74 f250 4x4 with heavy duty drums all
>round (GVW-7100), and I have a few questions. It has a dana60 full
>floating rear axle, how do i go about removing the drums. I took a look
>at it and the drums would not come off it seems i have to undo the bolts
>for the full floating axle and take them out first. Is this correct
>what other things will i have to do to get at the brakes.
> And the front seems to be the same way, the drums would not come off
>and seemed like i would have to take the hubs off to get the drums off?
>The haynes manual is not to helpful, all it says is take off wheel
>remove proper retaining components.
>
>Thanks
>Kirk Baillie
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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 15:46:54 -0500
From: "Brian C Nyman"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RPM's Speeds

Azie,
My motor (402cid) is a little beyond stock itself. I'm told I'll run out of
carb (750cfm) before I run out of motor. Aluminum Performer RPM intake,
Aluminum Performer Heads, TRW forged pistons, adjustable rockers, electronic
ignition, hydraulic cam (270/290), custom headers, etc...

Again, I'm talking a lot of theoretical numbers here, and I will likely never
push it over 100mph myself - unless I can get a shot at a test/race track
somewhere (Brainerd Int'l Raceway comes to mind). My uncles may push it after
the shakedown - they're a little more experienced in such matters.

All this will be going into a short-box stepside: short wheel base, big tires,
power steering, and 4-wheel brakes. I'm more interested in surviving driving my
truck than hitting 130mph.

Brian Nyman
bnyman allina.com

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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 15:50:15 -0500
From: "Brian C Nyman"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Longbed Flairside

>>I saw me 1st long bed flairside today
We had two of them to choose from on my uncle's property. We took the fenders
off one, and shortened the other 16" to fit the short-box length, and we
narrowed it 5".

Brian Nyman
bnyman allina.com

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 16:27:21 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Weekend warrior ?

Well okay, not exactly warrior, but this weekend was pretty cool, thought
some of you might find it interesting, the first part of the page deals with
my truck and its towing performance ... I know its only Iowa and I'm not
pullin up mts. or anything, but its still pullin ... the rest of it was
pullin of a different sort :)

anyway the writeup's at :

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ranger3.cc.iastate.edu/autocross2.html

Azie, or any of you other web-deprived readers, its all text, so if you want
an emailed copy, lemme know ...


Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 15:48:38 -0700
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Howling

I have a howl coming from either the rear end or the carrier
bearing.The colder the temp the louder the howl.
Any Ideas?
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 19:27:34 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!

In a message dated 10/6/99 11:49:26 AM Pacific Standard Time,
Bad4dFilly aol.com writes:


fill
up the tank....TRY 25$ >>

Ummmm, last time I filled Tweety was almost $60.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:52:32 -0600
From: "Matthew Senn"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!

$68 if i fill both tanks full


- ----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!


> In a message dated 10/6/99 11:49:26 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> Bad4dFilly aol.com writes:
>
>
> fill
> up the tank....TRY 25$ >>
>
> Ummmm, last time I filled Tweety was almost $60.
>
> Darrell Duggan
> 74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 21:06:15 EDT
From: OldTrux aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '73 F250 P/S

In a message dated 10/6/99 12:05:58 PM Central Daylight Time,
Howard.Bottles austin.ppdi.com writes:

> PS I am also looking for the P/S brackets for the pump to mount on a
> 390.......

So am I ! Along with a box that mounts outside the frame with a pitman arm
pointing towards the rear.....
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 20:07:47 -0500
From: "Oscar Johnson"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Anybody for a '62 F100 Stepside?

Saw this on the Alfa Romeo Digest, anyone interested?


Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 21:00:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vince Strazzabosco
Subject: Sell a truck, save a Spider
I'm trying to sell this truck so I can give an unhappy
'74 Spider a new home. Maybe some of the Alfisti out
there might know of someone who might be interested in
a truck?
I have to sell this thing because I have neither the
time or money to keep it. I've had it all of a month,
my rent's gone up, and I'm now working two jobs for a
little while.
It's a green 1962 Ford F100 Stepside, with a neat
ladder rack and diamond plate aluminum bed liner. It
makes a great work truck, or you could even make a
cool street machine out of it.
It's green and in pretty nice shape, needs a battery,
but does run alright. Heck, I hauled two motorcycles
from San Pablo to Pacifica (where I live, near SF)
just a few nights ago. Mileage is probably about 150k.
Original inline six and three on the tree
transmission. Diff has been replaced, and the brakes
work pretty good.
I'm anxious to get this truck off to a good home, so
I'm asking $1800 or best offer. The sooner, the
better, so hurry up!
Thanks,
vince
Pacifica, CA
(650) 738-0944 or vstrazzabosco yahoo.com

O. T. Johnson
Prattville, AL
1971 Ranger XLT CS 360 2V C6

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 21:51:51 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1966 Engine Rebuild Project

In case anyone is keeping score I have uploaded a few new pictures of my 66
project to my web site. Here is the direct link:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hometown.aol.com/tbeeee/page/Rebuild.html

Progress is slow but deliberate.

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (HELP!---I need 15 x5 factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flare Side
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 19:36:58 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - EFI, Computers and such

I'm curious about where/how you're going to install the knock sensor.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

- -----Original Message-----
From: Dan Lee
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 8:22 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - EFI, Computers and such


>
>I read the recent thread about EFI and would love a
>reasonably priced EFI on my 400. In the meantime I
>would settle for a ignition computer that supports a
>knock sensor, since my 400 has 10.2:1 compression
>ratio. I would like to drop some total advance when
>the knock sensor detects detonation. I know that MSD
>makes a unit that will do that for turbos, but that's
>based on boost not detonation. Jacobs also makes a
>computer that they claim is suitable for this engine,
>but I am trying to get the details on this unit. Does
>anyone know of anything available with this
>capability?



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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 21:30:39 -0600
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!

> My gas cap is metal and since it has suction
> on it or whatever, it's nearly impossible to unscrew
> even had to get it off for me, that was SO embarrassing!> I wanna get a
new
> plastic one that doesnt cut my hand when I unscrew it
>
> *~*~Lisa~*~*
...........

Your local auto parts store should have a replacement cap or pair of
caps for your truck. One of my 69 F250s has a pair of locking gas caps which
are very easy for me to remove, and not so easy for others.

BTW:) now that I think about it, now would be a good time for me to go to
the local auto parts store and buy another set of locking caps for my other
truck before somebody helps themselves to 45 gallons worth of premium
about $1.50 per gallon!


Danger
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 21:37:08 -0600
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Howling

> I have a howl coming from either the rear end or the carrier
> bearing.The colder the temp the louder the howl.
> Any Ideas?
..........

Perhaps the rear end is low on fluid? I'd imagine that if it is low,
then you've got a bad wheel seal or pinion seal which needs replaced.

Do you hear & feel a "clunk" when changing between forward and reverse
gears?

Danger
danger csolutions.net


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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 22:40:12 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!

Been there, done that. My mileage got twice as bad after I moved, and
after I installed a locking cap, it's much better!

Jason


Danger wrote:

> BTW:) now that I think about it, now would be a good time for me to go to
> the local auto parts store and buy another set of locking caps for my other
> truck before somebody helps themselves to 45 gallons worth of premium
> about $1.50 per gallon!
>
> Danger
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 23:52:38 -0400
From: "Phil / Debi"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1966 Engine Rebuild Project

Thom,

Tried to check out the new pics and couldn't view the site, could just be
my computer though. I just started a restoration on my 66, I just pulled the
engine and trans last weekend. Going down to the bare frame.

Phil

- ----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 9:51 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1966 Engine Rebuild Project


> In case anyone is keeping score I have uploaded a few new pictures of my
66
> project to my web site. Here is the direct link:
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hometown.aol.com/tbeeee/page/Rebuild.html
>
> Progress is slow but deliberate.
>
> Stock Man
> 1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (HELP!---I need 15 x5 factory rims)
> 1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
> 1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flare Side
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hometown.aol.com/tbeeee
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:11:02 -0600
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 74 F250 4X4 w full floating axle Brake job question

> Put the outer bearing on, it's all feel here-- some do it differently than
> others, so I said the HeX with it and put them down to the same tight (but
> snug) feeling I do the front bearings (and with my luck I'll be doing
these
> bearings again withing a month (smile)) and put the washer back on, outer
> nut to about 85 lbs, and bend the ears in and out accordingly-- then I
> just used permatex formagasket on the axle shafts like the previous
person.
..........

Seems like your supposed to rotate the wheel while tightening to spec to
seat the bearing, and then to back off 90 degrees.

I've never used an axle gasket yet, but if one of the 3 Dana rears
around here start to leak, I probably stop using RTV there in place of the
gasket.


Danger
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 21:22:55 -0700
From: "Earthlink"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - NO OIL PRESURE!

Hello All,
During the last couple of months I rebuilt a 460 and installed it in my
'71 F350. It was running good for about a week and then suddenly there is
no oil pressure showing on the gauge. I installed another gauge today and
still no pressure showing. I start it and it makes slight noises from the
lifters but not the kind you would expect if there was no oil getting to
them. Since it did have pressure when I first started it I was wondering if
anyone knows where I should start looking.
Thanks,
FredZ
'71 F350
'89 E350


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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:19:18 -0600
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1966 Engine Rebuild Project

> Tried to check out the new pics and couldn't view the site, could just
be
> my computer though. I just started a restoration on my 66, I just pulled
the
> engine and trans last weekend. Going down to the bare frame.
>
> Phil
...............

I was also unable to view the pics.

"Internet Explorer was unable to link to the Web page you requested. The
page might be temporarily unavailable."

Danger
danger csolutions.net



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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 00:27:15 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - NO OIL PRESURE!

That's not a good thing at all. My first suggestion would be to hook up a
mechanical gauge you could have an electrical problem. If your engine didn't
have any oil, you'd know right away. Id be looking at the wire for the
gauge. It sat in the same spot for years and years. Then you moved it all
around when you rebuilt the engine, problems are bound to appear. Happened
on my bros 84. He spent a few hours just taping up wires the insulation had
crumbled off of. Really amazing the truck never caught fire.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:28:57 -0600
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - NO OIL PRESURE!

> Hello All,
> During the last couple of months I rebuilt a 460 and installed it in my
> '71 F350. It was running good for about a week and then suddenly there is
> no oil pressure showing on the gauge. I installed another gauge today and
> still no pressure showing. I start it and it makes slight noises from the
> lifters but not the kind you would expect if there was no oil getting to
> them. Since it did have pressure when I first started it I was wondering
if
> anyone knows where I should start looking.
> Thanks,
> FredZ
.............

How about the oil pressure sending unit? Either the wires are no longer
connected or the unit may need to be replaced?


Danger
danger csolutions.net



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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 00:32:03 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1966 Engine Rebuild Project

In a message dated 10/6/99 11:54:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
imstobu stargate.net writes:

> Tried to check out the new pics and couldn't view the site, could just be
> my computer though.

More than likely it's a problem with AOL as I just tried to load too and
can't even access my own page! Sorry....try again later.


Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (HELP!---I need 15 x5 factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flare Side
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hometown.aol.com/tbeeee
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Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 00:46:58 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Stainless & Chrome

I need to know if using a regular chrome plated nut on a stainless bolt
would have any adverse affects? It's only temporary until I can find the
right stainless nuts. I'm having a heck of a time finding "5/16-24 and
'3/8-24 stainless nuts. No luck at Lowe's, Ace Hardware, or any of the auto
parts stores. I e-mailed Totally Stainless 3 days ago and still haven't
gotten a reply. If anyone knows a reliable source, PLEASE let me know.

As always thanks,


Ted Wnorowski
Bellevue,OH
' 64 F-250
352 transplant
4 speed



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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 22:27:51 -0700
From: Dale Blanchard
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - full floating axle kit- when doing brakes

Kirk Baillie wrote:
>
> I need to know the name (part #) of the kit that consists of the gasket,
> axle nut lock washer and other lock washers, for when working on the
> brakes (drum) of a full floating dana60 axle.
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I dont know but I just went to ford and the had it all and it was not
much$$
That was 20 yeares ago. the last time I went to NAPA ,they looked it up
and had everyting. You can reuse that stuff if it has not been reused....


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