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In this issue:

RE: FTE 61-79 - Smoking, non efi :-)
Re: FTE 61-79 - Smoking, non efi :-)
FTE 61-79 - Re 400
Re: FTE 61-79 - Smoking, non efi :-)
FTE 61-79 - Re: 7" rods
RE: FTE 61-79 - Duallie
FTE 61-79 - Bronco for Sale on Ebay
FTE 61-79 - Losing gas from carb?
RE: FTE 61-79 - Smoking, non efi :-)
Re: FTE 61-79 - Losing gas from carb?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Losing gas from carb?
RE: FTE 61-79 - Losing gas from carb?
EFI tuners, was; Re: FTE 61-79 - Smoking, non efi :-)
FTE 61-79 - Fuel Pump & Losing gas from carb?
RE: EFI tuners, was; Re: FTE 61-79 - Smoking, non efi :-)
FTE 61-79 - Re: headers
Re: EFI tuners, was; Re: FTE 61-79 - Smoking, non efi :-)
RE: FTE 61-79 - Fuel Pump & Losing gas from carb?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Fuel Pump & Losing gas from carb?
Re: EFI tuners, was; Re: FTE 61-79 - Smoking, non efi :-)
RE: FTE 61-79 - Bronco for Sale on Ebay
RE: FTE 61-79 - Losing gas from carb?
RE: FTE 61-79 - Smoking, non efi :-)
FTE 61-79 - Passing gear kick down rod
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: 7" rods
RE: FTE 61-79 - Bronco for Sale on Ebay
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re 400
FTE 61-79 - CA $300 "impact fee" for registering out-of-state veh. declared u nconstitutional!
FTE 61-79 - Dual wheels
FTE 61-79 - SENIOR QUOTE....
FTE 61-79 - Good News! PS Gearbox overhaul works great
Re: FTE 61-79 - Passing gear kick down rod
Re: EFI tuners, was; Re: FTE 61-79 - Smoking, non efi :-)
FTE 61-79 - Highboy Steering.
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Second FTE server
Re: FTE 61-79 - Highboy Steering.
FTE 61-79 - Rims and tires
FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!
FTE 61-79 - It Started
Re: FTE 61-79 - 330/361/391 Truck Heads
FTE 61-79 - Just installed Pertronix Ignitor mod.........

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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:12:50 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Smoking, non efi :-)

Ok, you guys quit talking behind my back! :-) You are absolutely right, OEM
carbs are not tuned any better than the EFI and for all the same reasons
but.........I can tune an OEM carb or replace it cheaply with one I can
tune. This can not be said about EFI. Ford EFI is not tunable by the
average shade tree or even the modern, high tech shade tree because the
parts are not out there to do it, again for the same reasons as above. Big
brother is going to protect us from ourselves even if he has to kill us in
the process.....:-( Why has no one come up with an EEC replacement which
simply uses the same pinouts, processes data from the stock sensors but
allows for some alteration of operation??? Is something like this
available? I keep hearing about this guy or that guy reverse engineering
this or that......if we are so smart why don't we just make our own and use
ford's stock equipment to run the engine? Ford has good injectors, throttle
bodies, intakes, MAF sensors and all the other good stuff, they just don't
fully utilize it with the EEC so..........????? It is just a computer
program after all, how hard can it be?

Don't tell me, let me guess......BIG BROTHER again right? Patent rights?
Royalties on the pinout configurations?

Don't forget the part no one seems to be able to fix, the EEC......how much
for that? Let's be reasonable, I believe a good after market EFI with
laptop programming and decent, pre-programmed base tables for different
applications or buy one for your specific applications with several
variations you can alter to suit would be a vast improvement over the best
carb if well executed and with MAF for those who like to go to the mountains
etc. but is it available and is it well executed and can I get my hands on
it and how much, total (no bull) will it cost me? In the mean time I can
buy an Offy manifold and Rochester carb and stick it on my 460 for about
$600 and have something that will go up hills without stalling, tilt
sideways and keep running in most situations and can be tuned with a little
research in one of many books available for this setup and there are no
computers, wires or high pressure pumps to deal with. Some day when they
have it developed so I can plug in my laptop and select a program to run the
engine without having to know every little detail about every operating mode
and type in a tedious string of numbers which I "hope" are correct I'll jump
on the wagon with bells on but I haven't seen anything yet to convince me
the time is now???

They will simply write their congress man and complain that they need a shop
on every corner and the only legal encroachment to the wilderness will be a
VW shop, conveniently located and with special passes for Sierra Clubbers
only to access it, at the tax payers expense, of course :-) They will lobby
and get all the young "Save the whale" kids on the wagon and some obscure
freshman will get it on one of the bills someone is trying to get through by
promising his vote and of course it will be in very fine print so the older
congressmen can't read it and it will get passed.......it's tradition :-)

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Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> I don't think an OEM tuned carb is anything to brag about ...
>
> So lets see, that's a MAF ($300 for aftermarket good one),
> Throttle body
> ($200 for bigger bore aftermarket) and injectors ($125 for aftermarket
>
> But who will help them when their VW van stalls on the side
> of the road and
> they can't afford to fix it ?
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Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 08:32:11 -0400
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Smoking, non efi :-)

William S. Hart wrote:
>
> > > should pick an 85 GT 'cause it was the LAST carbbed mustang from the
> > > factory, so 85 and 95, both last of their breed (95 was last
> > 5.0 'stang) ...
> >
> > I'd say 85 and 87 would be a better comparison, but still not
>
> The reason I went to 95 was to get later generations of both on the same
> motor, 87 was also a speed density system which is not nearly as efficient

It was actually slightly more effiecient than mass air as the stock
mass air meter is 55mm and the stock throttle body in 87+ was 58mm. Mass
air conversion on a totally stock 5.0 resulted in no or less HP. I think
those 2 motors are a better comparison as nothing else was changed
(besides exh) when they went to injection.

> Are you sure it wasn't the auto that was rated at 210 ?

Yes, I'm sure. I bel. auto was rated at 185. A friend and I had 85 (210
HP 265 Ft-lbs) and 86 (200 Hp, 285 Ft-lb) capri 5.0's. Both completley
identical, cept I wipped his butt every time even with 10 less HP, as I
had substantially more torque.

That had the weird
> TBI setup on it, while the 5spds still had the carb, and I could've sworn it
> was 225 for the carbbed version, but we're still talkin rated, so it doesn't
> mean anything when it comes down to the street ... also the 95's got the
> lower rating (215 or whatever) mostly because the lower hood restricted the
> intake height ... at least that was the story I heard ..
>

It was 205 Hp way before 95, and it was due to ford having ever
tightening emission restricitons. They finally had to re-rate the HP in
the 93 time frame.

... like the OHC
> motors ... another good idea and implemented well, but of course they don't
> have near the development time as the old pushrod, so they're not quite as
> effective yet, or as cheap because the parts aren't out there yet ...

I'm not going to badmounth OHC, but even Ford finally admitted that
the 4.6 was designed for a FWD Lincoln and should have never made it's
way into trucks. It might be good in a ranger :-) I think we should wrap
this up though, as it's barely old ford truck related.


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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:34:18 -0500 (CDT)
From: Rubberducky23 webtv.net (Danny Ling)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re 400

I'm not sure about you guys but I think the easiest way to tell a
429/460 from a 400M/351M is to either look at the fuel pump (351M/400M
have the fuel pump mounting bolts directly above and below the fuel pump
vs 429/460 they are next to the pump on each side) or just count the
valve cover bolts. 351M/400M both have 8 bolts per valve cover vs
429/460 only have 7.

Laters, Danny Ling

(pre 77 1/2) 77 F250 Hiboy 4X4, 429 TJ

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Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 08:46:39 -0400
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Smoking, non efi :-)

Peters, Gary (G.R.) wrote:
>
> Ok, you guys quit talking behind my back! :-) You are absolutely right, OEM
> carbs are not tuned any better than the EFI and for all the same reasons
> but.........I can tune an OEM carb or replace it cheaply with one I can
> tune. This can not be said about EFI. Ford EFI is not tunable by the
> average shade tree or even the modern, high tech shade tree because the
> parts are not out there to do it, again for the same reasons as above.
Yes, they are. It's cheap and it works.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.eec-tuner.com/

Here is what you can change

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.eec-tuner.com/a9l.htm

> Don't tell me, let me guess......BIG BROTHER again right? Patent rights?
> Royalties on the pinout configurations?
>
> Don't forget the part no one seems to be able to fix, the EEC......how much
> for that?

I payed 250$ for my EEC-tuner.

Let's be reasonable, I believe a good after market EFI with
> laptop programming and decent, pre-programmed base tables for different
> applications or buy one for your specific applications with several
> variations you can alter to suit would be a vast improvement over the best
> carb if well executed and with MAF for those who like to go to the mountains
> etc. but is it available and is it well executed and can I get my hands on
> it and how much, total (no bull) will it cost me?

Well, there it is, but I'm sorry you do have to know a little bit about
EFI and tuning it :-). I am as unwilling and resistant to learning how
to properly tune (if thats possible) a carb, as you are about this EFI
stuff.

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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:50:47 -0500 (CDT)
From: Rubberducky23 webtv.net (Danny Ling)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 7" rods

Childs&Albert makes a billet aluminum rod thats 7.003" long center to
center, 2.500 big end bore and 1.156 pin bore. Its actualy intended for
Chrysler hemi's. The part # though PAW is C&A-250-426-09-040. They cost
$89.95 a piece. If you can go direct through Childs&Albert you just need
to leave the C&A off the part #

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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:19:45 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Duallie

> I was wondering if anyone could tell me if its possible to make
> a dually out of a non dually. I have a 79 F-250 Supercab with a
> 460 and a full floating rear axle. I am interested in the info
> on the axle not cosmetic on the body to cover the potential
> wheels. Thanks in advance


It seems like Azie was babbling something about back plate spacing once ...
and that the duallie is a different rearend than a dual rear wheel, so the
dually rear should fit under your truck, since they use the same bed with
the cosmetic flares on the outside right ?

The axles are probably Dana 60's or 70's depending on year and configuration
and all that jazz ... dunno about ratios from the factory, likely 3.73 or
4.10's ...

Hope that helps a little, I'm sure Azie will jump in shortly ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:16:23 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bronco for Sale on Ebay

Hey folks, heres the link to a way cheap Bronco on Ebay. With one day left
its only up to $510. Check it out. Kinda wish I was closer.
eB
ay item 170949219 (Ends 10/06/99, 08:05:37 PDT) - 1979 Ford Bronco 351 Engine
40k

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:47:33 -0500
From:
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Losing gas from carb?

This weekend my 352 with stock 2v developed starting problems. It will crank,
start, and then immediately die. The only thing that I can do to get and keep it
running is to add gas into the carb. Once started in this manner it runs fine.
Seems to me the carb bowl is not holding gas. But what would cause this? As
near as I can tell there are no filters or valves between the carb and the fuel pump.
I rebuilt the carb maybe 6 months ago and all went well.
Bryan Kirking
66 Step Side
352 FE, 4 speed
Houston, Texas


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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:32:27 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Smoking, non efi :-)

> Ok, you guys quit talking behind my back! :-)

sorry, we'll talk about you behind your back in front of your face next time
;)


> You are
> absolutely right, OEM
> carbs are not tuned any better than the EFI and for all the same reasons
> but.........I can tune an OEM carb or replace it cheaply with one I can
> tune. This can not be said about EFI.


http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.speedbrain.com/

I know another suggestion has been offered as well, but this is closer to
the carb in that its a complete replacement of the EEC ...


http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.speedbrain.com/features.htm

Shows everything you can tune ... not sure what's left to tune after that
...



Ford EFI is not tunable by the
> average shade tree or even the modern, high tech shade tree because the
> parts are not out there to do it, again for the same reasons as
> above.

I think we're taking the term "parts" a bit too literally, there are
programs out there that can write chips (parts?) that will do it... the
typical shade tree can't do this himself, but he can sure as heck order one
and plug it in ... and re-programming can be $100 or less after a major mod
has necessitated one ...

When re-tuning FI, most of the time you're not replacing things, or
adjusting knobs, but punching on a keyboard, or flipping a switch ... no
more fine tuning with the screw driver and wrench ...

Also most of these can still have the timing adjusted, its when they went to
the DIS that things got goofy for adjusting timing ....

> Ford has good
> injectors, throttle
> bodies, intakes, MAF sensors and all the other good stuff, they
> just don't
> fully utilize it with the EEC so..........????? It is just a computer
> program after all, how hard can it be?
>

Uhm, what do you mean by "fully utilize" ? They are all flowing air and
calculating stuff ... they don't just sit there and look good (like O2
sensors on Chubbies used to) ...

And if any programmers read that last line, you'd better have the flame
retardant underwear on ...


> for that? Let's be reasonable, I believe a good after market EFI with
> laptop programming and decent, pre-programmed base tables for different
> applications or buy one for your specific applications with several
> variations you can alter to suit would be a vast improvement
> over the best
> carb if well executed and with MAF for those who like to go to
> the mountains
> etc. but is it available and is it well executed and can I get
> my hands on
> it and how much, total (no bull) will it cost me?

I'm not sure if the mass-air kits are available, but holley is offering bolt
on speed-density systems with the programs all adjustable and what not for
around $1700 I think it was .... FORCE systems is offering multi-port
conversions (maybe mass-air?) for around $3000 ... that includes the
manifold and such as well ... yes its still expensive, but its cause people
will pay it, and parts are still expensive as well ... I know there's a lot
of "engineering" in there, but I don't think there's as much as they're
always charging for ... I'm thinking if you can get someone to drill the
manifold for you, put your own stuff together and use the stock components
in combo with the "speed brain" that the brain will be the most expensive
part, as the wiring and everything should be available from a 5.0 in the
salvage yard ...

But I'm tipping my hand :)

> research in one of many books available for this setup and there are no
> computers, wires or high pressure pumps to deal with.

Where's the fun in that ?


> Some day when they
> have it developed so I can plug in my laptop and select a
> program to run the
> engine without having to know every little detail about every
> operating mode
> and type in a tedious string of numbers which I "hope" are
> correct I'll jump
> on the wagon with bells on but I haven't seen anything yet to convince me
> the time is now???
>

See above notes ... you won't be able to be afraid of the computer or
screwing it up and have anything work ... that's why half of the people are
probably on this list, to learn from those who were brave or stupid enough
to try things first and warn us/them away or give advice on better ways to
do it ...

FTE Content ... the process listed above may be my approach to FI for the
390 in my truck ... but I think CJ volunteered to be the first victim ... i
mean uhm ...

;)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 06:45:25 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Losing gas from carb?

Thanks for your message at 08:47 AM 10/5/99 -0500, bkirking bcm.tmc.edu.
Your message was:
>This weekend my 352 with stock 2v developed starting problems. It will
crank,
>start, and then immediately die. The only thing that I can do to get and
keep it
>running is to add gas into the carb. Once started in this manner it runs
fine.
>Seems to me the carb bowl is not holding gas. But what would cause this?
As
>near as I can tell there are no filters or valves between the carb and the
fuel pump.
>I rebuilt the carb maybe 6 months ago and all went well.

It sounds like textbook fuel pump problems to me...


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:51:37 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Losing gas from carb?

In a message dated 10/5/99 9:36:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
bkirking bcm.tmc.edu writes:

> Seems to me the carb bowl is not holding gas. But what would cause this?
As
>
> near as I can tell there are no filters or valves between the carb and the
> fuel pump.
> I rebuilt the carb maybe 6 months ago and all went well.

Given that it worked well for 6 mos. then something has changed. Check your
fuel filters (I hope you have one somewhere in the system). If not then your
fuel pump might be failing (a common problem on the FE). There is an outside
chance that your needle seat is stuck at the inlet. I hope this helps.

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (HELP!---I need 15 x5 factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
1966 F-250 I6 240 2wd LWB Flare Side
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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:52:30 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Losing gas from carb?

> This weekend my 352 with stock 2v developed starting problems.
> It will crank,
> start, and then immediately die. The only thing that I can do
> to get and keep it
> running is to add gas into the carb. Once started in this
> manner it runs fine.
> Seems to me the carb bowl is not holding gas. But what would
> cause this?

The fuel pump is supposed to hold the fuel line, otherwise it can siphon
back out of the line and back into the tank, then if weak, it may not pull
enough back up to actually keep it running ... this happens with vehicles
that sit a bit sometimes ... $15 for a new pump, a half hour to put it in,
and you should be runnin like new.

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 10:06:42 -0400
From: James Oxley
Subject: EFI tuners, was; Re: FTE 61-79 - Smoking, non efi :-)

William S. Hart wrote:
>
> > Ok, you guys quit talking behind my back! :-)
>
> sorry, we'll talk about you behind your back in front of your face next time
> ;)
>
> > You are
> > absolutely right, OEM
> > carbs are not tuned any better than the EFI and for all the same reasons
> > but.........I can tune an OEM carb or replace it cheaply with one I can
> > tune. This can not be said about EFI.
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.speedbrain.com/
>
> I know another suggestion has been offered as well, but this is closer to
> the carb in that its a complete replacement of the EEC ...
>

The only place I've seen this advertised is from APE and it seems they
have had real spotty customer relations in general. It does have
datalogging, which the EEC-tuner does not, as of yet. Lack of
datalogging is a serious drawback to a carb setup, IMO. The main thing I
don't like about the speedbrain is it is difficult to program for forced
induction applications.

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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:24:59 -0501
From:
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fuel Pump & Losing gas from carb?

Thanks for the input so far...

So is there a way to test the fuel pump? It obviously pumps fuel enough to keep it
running so watching gas poor out the line while I crank it won't help. What can
go bad that allows the fuel to leak down, but still function enough to pump gas from
the tank? Perhaps small holes in the diaphram of the pump that leak but don't leak
enough that while running it causes problems? I am a little concerned at the lack of
a fuel filter. Perhaps I should add one with a new pump.
Bryan Kirking
66 Step Side
352 FE, 4 speed
Houston, Texas


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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:22:48 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: EFI tuners, was; Re: FTE 61-79 - Smoking, non efi :-)

> The only place I've seen this advertised is from APE and it seems they
> have had real spotty customer relations in general. It does have
> datalogging, which the EEC-tuner does not, as of yet. Lack of
> datalogging is a serious drawback to a carb setup, IMO. The main thing I
> don't like about the speedbrain is it is difficult to program for forced
> induction applications.
>
>

Yeah, I have sent them an email or two and never heard back, so that kind of
bugs me about them ... the forced induction issue I understand, but with a
9.5+ cr on my 390, there's no way I'm going to forced induction :)

If you find any more info on either of these products I'd love to hear it
...

And if your computer (for eec-tuner) isn't one that the tuner lists, you can
usually get the computer you need at Autozone I think it was ... for $99 ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:33:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: headers

I don't remember who it was that wrote:
> the headers were bought used so i don't know the brand
> i have them installed and the drivers side is exiting right at the
> transmission linkage, any suggestions besides different headers.
> the truck is a 1969 2wd 3/4 ton 390and c6
> any help is appreciated

Wait a minute. Just how much interference are we talking about?

I put headers on my old '74 Supercab, 2WD, 390, C6. You had to
bend one of the levers on the transmission to clear the header.
I am not sure if it was the shift lever or the kickdown lever.
The instructions described exactly how to do it.

If this sounds like the problem, let me know and I can ask the
new owner if he still has the paperwork.


Mark in Southwest Washington
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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:45:41 -0700
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: EFI tuners, was; Re: FTE 61-79 - Smoking, non efi :-)

Lets not forget that good old Ford Motor Company offers a way to reprogram
the stock EEC though SVO. It is called the EPEC (Extreme Performance Engine
Computer... or something). The SVO catalog states that it is NOT legal for
use on emission controlled blah blah blah..., but it is available. Ford
offers quite an array of performance EFI parts (they are pretty much
exclusively for the 302/351W). The big advantage of most of the EFI mods
is, assuming one has the right MAF/injector/computer combo, you can pretty
much bolt them on and drive away... no fiddling required.
If only they made EFI manifolds for the FE...

Rade Spasojevic -- rspasoje mindspring.com
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From: James Oxley
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 7:07 AM
Subject: EFI tuners, was; Re: FTE 61-79 - Smoking, non efi :-)


>William S. Hart wrote:
>>
>> > Ok, you guys quit talking behind my back! :-)
>>
>> sorry, we'll talk about you behind your back in front of your face next
time
>> ;)
>>
>> > You are
>> > absolutely right, OEM
>> > carbs are not tuned any better than the EFI and for all the same
reasons
>> > but.........I can tune an OEM carb or replace it cheaply with one I
can
>> > tune. This can not be said about EFI.
>>
>> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.speedbrain.com/
>>
>> I know another suggestion has been offered as well, but this is closer to
>> the carb in that its a complete replacement of the EEC ...
>>
>
> The only place I've seen this advertised is from APE and it seems they
>have had real spotty customer relations in general. It does have
>datalogging, which the EEC-tuner does not, as of yet. Lack of
>datalogging is a serious drawback to a carb setup, IMO. The main thing I
>don't like about the speedbrain is it is difficult to program for forced
>induction applications.
>
> OX
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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:41:58 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Fuel Pump & Losing gas from carb?

> So is there a way to test the fuel pump? It obviously pumps
> fuel enough to keep it
> running so watching gas poor out the line while I crank it won't
> help.

This sounds about right ... likely its still pumping enough, but not at the
pressure you would expect, but since the fuel bowls can hold some in
reserve, you are probably not going to notice it unless you really get your
foot into it and keep it there ...


> What can
> go bad that allows the fuel to leak down, but still function
> enough to pump gas from
> the tank? Perhaps small holes in the diaphram of the pump that
> leak but don't leak
> enough that while running it causes problems?

Could be ... some pumps (I think here, not positive), but I think some pumps
have an anti-siphon valve in them to help prevent the gas from leaking back
... I don't know if many of them do or not, but it seems like a while ago
they had them...


I am a little
> concerned at the lack of
> a fuel filter. Perhaps I should add one with a new pump.

Its really not very hard to do, all I did was to put one in line with the
rubber hose between the hard line and the fuel pump ... still have a short
section of fuel line left over from that too ...

The stock carbs had the little one that screwed in the front of the carb, it
works, but as the vehicles sit or get old, the filters clog quickly, so its
nice to have a clear one you can watch to see if its dirtyor not....

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 07:53:15 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Fuel Pump & Losing gas from carb?

Thanks for your message at 09:24 AM 10/5/99 -0501, bkirking bcm.tmc.edu.
Your message was:
>Thanks for the input so far...
>
>So is there a way to test the fuel pump? It obviously pumps fuel enough
to keep it
>running so watching gas poor out the line while I crank it won't help.
What can
>go bad that allows the fuel to leak down, but still function enough to
pump gas from
>the tank? Perhaps small holes in the diaphram of the pump that leak but
don't leak
>enough that while running it causes problems? I am a little concerned at
the lack of
>a fuel filter. Perhaps I should add one with a new pump.

I would...When the engine is cranking to start it is (obviously) turning
very few rpms, thus not working the pump as hard as when the engine is
running. If the pump is getting weak, but not dead, it may be getting
enough efficiency still to keep the car running once it is started, while
not being efficient enough to get enough gas to the carb to fire it up...
IMHO.

I've been thinking of putting in an electric fuel pump...
Dennis L. Pearson

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Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 10:54:57 -0400
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: EFI tuners, was; Re: FTE 61-79 - Smoking, non efi :-)

Radoje Spasojevic wrote:
>
> Lets not forget that good old Ford Motor Company offers a way to reprogram
> the stock EEC though SVO. It is called the EPEC (Extreme Performance Engine
> Computer... or something). The SVO catalog states that it is NOT legal for
> use on emission controlled blah blah blah..., but it is available.
Try buying one? Last I heard, most motorsport dealers don't have it and
don't know anything about it anyway. I only heard of one guy running it.
It is also very expensive and only modifies input/output signals. Very
limited compared to modifying the data inside the EEC (like C & M racing
chips, EEC-tuner, or speedbrain).

Ford
> offers quite an array of performance EFI parts (they are pretty much
> exclusively for the 302/351W).

That leaves out most on this list :-).

The big advantage of most of the EFI mods
> is, assuming one has the right MAF/injector/computer combo, you can pretty
> much bolt them on and drive away... no fiddling required.

Maybe/maybe not. Talk to shane V. (bronco list) about his no fiddling
required even after a custom burned chip. :-(. That is why I don't like
fixed programed chips, but I am still learning about EEC-IV
programming.

> If only they made EFI manifolds for the FE...

That and M motors.

OX
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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:17:22 -0700
From: "Southerland, Rich"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Bronco for Sale on Ebay

Not bad, but there is an asking price of "only $1,500" in the text of the
ad. Sounds like the guy doesn't understand how auctions work....

- -----Original Message-----
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com [mailto:JUMPINFORD aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 6:16 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bronco for Sale on Ebay


Hey folks, heres the link to a way cheap Bronco on Ebay. With one day left
its only up to $510. Check it out. Kinda wish I was closer.

HREF="http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170949219">eB
ay item 170949219 (Ends 10/06/99, 08:05:37 PDT) - 1979 Ford Bronco 351
Engine
40k

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:31:53 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Losing gas from carb?

I had this problem with a Granada. It would never start without the gas in
the carb but once started (sometimes after several priming starts) it would
run fairly well. One day it didn't want to take off so I started
investigating and came to the same conclusion as our friends and replaced
the pump only to discover as I was removing the hose.........that there was
a rotten spot in the hose and it was.......WIDE OPEN!!! How the heck I
missed that I don't know but the pump was actually not the problem, it was
sucking air and since it was on the tank side of the pump it never leaked
because there was no pressure and the tank was lower than the hole.

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> This weekend my 352 with stock 2v developed starting
> problems. It will crank,
> start, and then immediately die. The only thing that I can
> do to get and keep it
> running is to add gas into the carb. Once started in this
> manner it runs fine.
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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:47:03 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Smoking, non efi :-)

I know a guy who has a EFI 302, crate engine in a 56 ford and I talked to
him at PF. A picture of this truck is in the OCT issue of custom classic
trucks and the name is "Orange 56". He built a baby version of it for his
son :-) Maybe mustang EFI is not appropriate but 302 EFI apparently is :-)

BTW, the 427 Cammer was an......OHC :-) Who on this list would pass up a
free one? I am not against technology, just the deliberate prevention of
owners messing with it. Outside the ford world my favorite car is the
Jaguar XKE, V-12, OHC. Only runs for 15 minutes between tuneups but what a
gas :-) I like moving parts and I like tinkering and the status that goes
with tweaking those multi carbs into submision to get that last hundred revs
in top gear and some day I'm going to look into this EFI thing, when I have
more time :-)

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> I'm not going to badmounth OHC, but even Ford finally admitted that
> the 4.6 was designed for a FWD Lincoln and should have never made it's
> way into trucks. It might be good in a ranger :-) I think we
> should wrap
> this up though, as it's barely old ford truck related.
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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:54:16 -0400
From: "Barney, Doug (D.P.)"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Passing gear kick down rod

I recently had my 302 rebuilt and changed the carb from 2 to 4 barrel. The
original kick down rod down to the trans (I am told by the mechanic) won't
work. The local Ford Dealer doesn't carry them but does carry one for a
351. Would that work does anyone know? I appreciate any direction on
this.

Doug B.
77 F100 Flareside
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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:09:56 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: 7" rods

I saw those and was hoping for some made of steel. I also know that C&A
makes several more aluminum connecting rods for the hemi in various lengths.
I think I heard that this is because the top fuel dragsters tune the engine
by varying the compression and the simplest way to do that would be with a
longer or shorter connecting rod. Right?

Tom H.

> ----------
> From: Rubberducky23 webtv.net[SMTP:Rubberducky23 webtv.net]
> Reply To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 8:50 AM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 7" rods
>
> Childs&Albert makes a billet aluminum rod thats 7.003" long center to
> center, 2.500 big end bore and 1.156 pin bore. Its actualy intended for
> Chrysler hemi's. The part # though PAW is C&A-250-426-09-040. They cost
> $89.95 a piece. If you can go direct through Childs&Albert you just need
> to leave the C&A off the part #
>
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Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 09:19:16 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Bronco for Sale on Ebay

Thanks for your message at 08:17 AM 10/5/99 -0700, Southerland, Rich. Your
message was:
>Not bad, but there is an asking price of "only $1,500" in the text of the
>ad. Sounds like the guy doesn't understand how auctions work....
>
...and he may have really messed up by not putting a reserve. Could be a
super buy. If only it were closer...


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 12:53:56 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re 400

I believe the initial question was between the 351m and 400. The 335 and
385 series is easily distinguished by the thermostat housing. The 335 is a
dry manifold so the housing is on the block whereas the 385 is wet and the
housing is on the intake manifold :-)

Within each series there is no easy way to tell them apart from the outside
unless they are marked with a decal.

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> I'm not sure about you guys but I think the easiest way to tell a
> 429/460 from a 400M/351M is to either look at the fuel pump (351M/400M
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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:13:57 -0700
From: "Southerland, Rich"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - CA $300 "impact fee" for registering out-of-state veh. declared u nconstitutional!

This may be of interest to those CA residents looking to bring in that old,
but still smogged truck from another state...
Smog fee voided for cars first registered out of state
By Denny Walsh,Bee Staff Writer
(Published Oct. 5, 1999)
The state appellate court in Sacramento has declared unconstitutional the
$300 "smog impact fee" imposed by California on used vehicles previously
registered outside the state.
Attorneys for the state of California had argued that, because its emissions
and certification standards are separate from federal guidelines, it could
tax vehicles bought in other states that initially did not have to meet
California's stringent air quality standards.
But a unanimous three-justice panel of the 3rd District Court of Appeal
didn't buy it. As a result, hundreds of thousands of Californians may be
eligible for a refund of the $300, but exactly when is still uncertain.
While California and federal certification for new cars are different, the
court said Congress did not allow the state's regulators to distinguish used
cars bought in California from those purchased in another state. In doing
so, the justices said in a 30-page opinion, the state has left itself open
to being challenged under the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution.
The clause prohibits disparate geographic treatment of a single product.
The state failed to show that vehicles with different certifications "serve
different markets and thus are different products" as that term is defined
in a 1997 U.S. Supreme Court decision, the panel said.
William Dato, one of the attorneys for the four citizens who challenged the
fee, said Monday that if the hundreds of thousands of Californians who would
be entitled to a refund filed a claim, the state would be required to cough
up approximately $250 million.
But it is up to vehicle owners to know about the potential for a refund and
pursue it.
State Department of Motor Vehicles spokesman Evan Nossoff said Monday the
agency will continue to handle the matter the way it has since Sacramento
Superior Court Judge Joe S. Gray found the smog impact fee unconstitutional
in October 1997. It was the state's appeal from Gray's ruling that the
appellate court decided Friday.
"We have no legal obligation to be pro-active at this point," Nossoff said.
"When people inquire, we give them a refund claim form. They can turn them
in at any DMV office. The claims are forwarded to the state Board of
Equalization, which would actually issue the refunds if that is the final
decision."
Meanwhile, he said, the state will continue to collect the fee.
The state's position is that vehicle owners must apply for refunds within
three years of the time they paid the fee, Deputy Attorney General Michael
Cornez said Monday.
The state has 40 days to decide whether to appeal to the California Supreme
Court, but Cornez said he hopes a decision on whether to appeal will be made
sooner.
A 1990 state law authorizes the $300 fee for California registration of most
vehicles previously registered outside the state. The rationale is that new
vehicles sold in California have to meet tougher emissions standards than
those sold in other states under the federal standards, making them more
expensive to buy and operate while reducing health and environmental
expenditures for the state.
The three consolidated lawsuits attacking the practice were filed in 1995
and 1996 by four people who were charged the fee even though their vehicles
passed the California smog test.
Cornez said the fee generated $98 million for the state last year.
The appellate court reversed that part of Gray's order directing the DMV to
voluntarily notify vehicle owners of the refund process and directing the
agency to automatically file claims on behalf of all those who have paid the
smog impact fee since Sept. 19, 1992.
Leonard Simon, one of the plaintiffs' lawyers, decried that part of the
appellate decision is "very unfortunate."
"It means that California can pass an obviously invalid fee, collect
hundreds of millions of dollars, and then keep virtually all of the money by
making the claims process very difficult," he said.
"Such a system gives government a perverse incentive to impose unlawful
taxes. The remedy for this should be modified by the California Supreme
Court or by the Legislature."
Dato pointed out that the Legislative Counsel's Office, which advises state
lawmakers on legal issues, warned the Legislature that the fee was
constitutionally questionable both before and after its approval in July
1990.
Attorneys for the plaintiffs offer refund information and an application
form through a toll-free telephone number, (877) SMOG-FEE, and at
www.wyca.com on the Internet.

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Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 12:28:13 -0700
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dual wheels

>I was wondering if anyone could tell me if its possible to make a >dually =

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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:29:54 EDT
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - SENIOR QUOTE....

After much debate, I finally chose my senior quote. I figured "Silly boys
trucks are for girls" was already on my license plate frame, so I went with:

No, this AIN'T my boyfriends truck!!!!

Pretty original huh? LOL I can garuntee no other person will have that quote
next to their senior picture LOL

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~Silly boys...trucks are for GIRLS!~*~*
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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:02:21 -0700
From: "Cliff"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Good News! PS Gearbox overhaul works great

Hey,


I finally got the truck out on the road today. I just rebuilt the PS gearbox
putting a new seal kit in it. No leaks under pressure, after a 30 mile round
trip to the Post Office. I told you I live in the sticks! Also changed the
oil pressure sending unit, due to a suspected leaky one. Four dollars later,
and no leak there either. It looks like I have all the leaks stopped for
now? At least there are no obvious ones left, time will tell if I've gotten
them all.

Now I'll look into that brake light problem I was having. It has gone out
for now, but it's because the harness had an accident when I was
re-installing the gearbox. I guess that's one way to fix the brake light
problem. LOL

Question. Where can I get a "gas filler" hose for the secondary tank. I
can't fill the tank because the rubber hose has cracks in it, and leaks as
you fill the tank. I haven't looked into it much, because of the gearbox
leak and the oil pressure sending unit, leak.

(By the way did you know that the oil filter can be interchanged with the
Fram PH43 if you need a shorter oil filter for the Ford truck. They are an
exact match except for the length).

Any help would be appreciated,
Cliff

1972 F250 360/2V C6
Rebuilt/Repaired list that I have done:
PS gearbox (seal kit)
Carb (carb kit)
New Distributer (Remanufactured)
New radius arm bushings (both)
New rear shocks (Front ones are relatively new)
Reman. Water Pump
New door locks
Reman. Master Cylinder
New front disk brakes
Major tuneup (everything except the timing chain and cam. Gas mileage is 13
mpg)




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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:59:35 EDT
From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Passing gear kick down rod

I dont know about a whole kickdown rod. But if you look in a Jegs or Summitt
catalogue, they have extenders to add approx 1 1/2 - 2 inches to the rod. On
my 400 I simply made my own out of some aluminum plate and it works very well.

btw both companies have web sites
http:\www.jegs.com
http:\www.summittraceing.com (I think)

George


In a message dated 10/05/1999 11:58:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
dbarney ford.com writes:


original kick down rod down to the trans (I am told by the mechanic) won't
work. The local Ford Dealer doesn't carry them but does carry one for a
351. Would that work does anyone know? I appreciate any direction on
this.
>>
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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:49:47 EDT
From: GMontgo930 aol.com
Subject: Re: EFI tuners, was; Re: FTE 61-79 - Smoking, non efi :-)

Lets not leave out the fabulous M block motors like the 351M & 400!

In a message dated 10/05/1999 10:38:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
rspasoje mindspring.com writes:


the stock EEC though SVO. It is called the EPEC (Extreme Performance Engine
Computer... or something). The SVO catalog states that it is NOT legal for
use on emission controlled blah blah blah..., but it is available. Ford
offers quite an array of performance EFI parts (they are pretty much
exclusively for the 302/351W). The big advantage of most of the EFI mods
is, assuming one has the right MAF/injector/computer combo, you can pretty
much bolt them on and drive away... no fiddling required.
If only they made EFI manifolds for the FE...
>>
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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:48:17 -0700
From: "Chris Samuel"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Highboy Steering.

- ->> Hi I own a 74 F250 4X4 and I am in need of some help getting
- ->> the power cylinder and the Control valve for the steering
- ->> system. My problem lies in that the parts are no longer
- ->> available through Ford in Canada, or through remanufacturers.

- ->> My question is could someone find out if these two parts are
- ->> available down in the states so i could order them and drive
- ->> my truck again.

- ->> Thanks
- ->> Kirk Baillie
- ->> 74 F250 highboy 4x4
- ->> sitting on the driveway waiting for steering components :-(

You can get a rebuilt Cylinder and I believe the Control valve
from:
Benz Spring in Portland, Oregon.
Their Phone Number is (503) 224 - 4865
They quoted me $278.00 (US) for the cylinder, Exchange.
(I don't work for Benz, I've just dealt with them for years, and I just
called em about one for my 75.)

Muel
Member: AFTE
79 Bronco
75 Highboy


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Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 22:03:24 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Second FTE server

Here we grow again!

Ford Truck Enthusiasts has once again outgrown the capacity
of our server. We are in the process of ordering a fractional
T1 line which will allow us to host the site directly from
our home. The time to install is approximately 60+ days.
This will give us a ton of extra capacity and allow us to
offer many more features to our users because our web space
will increase to 10+ gigabytes. Currently, we use about
the same "constant" bandwidth of a 64k ISDN channel and a
peak bandwidth of 5 ISDN channels. Our new capacity will
be about 8 ISDN channels with peak allowances of 10 channels.

In the meantime, our server has gotten slower and we've taken
steps that should have an immediate improvement beginning
this evening. Ford Truck Enthusiasts is now operating on
two servers instead of one. The second server reduces the
load on our current system by about 40%. Expect to see
dramatic improvements in speed.

The second server gives us an additional 350 meg of drive
space. The list archives will be brought back on line in
the next week! Our costs have skyrocketed over the last
6 months. We'll be having a big holiday season sale and
a special promotion in order to pay for all this. As always,
the goal of this is to keep the system free for you and
the mailing lists free from ads. The sale will be conducted
on the web site, not the lists.

Those of you who've been with us a while (Hi Deacon!) know
that I believe in keeping everyone informed as to our
status. If you have any questions, feel free to contact
me personally at kpayne ford-trucks.com

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Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 20:24:21 -0600
From: Kirk Baillie
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Highboy Steering.

Thats getting expensive, I could buy all new components for the 77->79
P.S conversion for less than that.
But thanks any ways. I am pretty sure I will be going the way of the
conversion. Probably the better choice any ways.


> You can get a rebuilt Cylinder and I believe the Control valve
> from:
> Benz Spring in Portland, Oregon.
> Their Phone Number is (503) 224 - 4865
> They quoted me $278.00 (US) for the cylinder, Exchange.
> (I don't work for Benz, I've just dealt with them for years, and I just
> called em about one for my 75.)
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Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 21:40:37 -0500
From: "Eric Washburn"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rims and tires

I am going to buy American Racing rims for my '67 F100 Longbed, 1/2 ton. I
was wondering what size to get so that they will be the same size as my
original ones. Also, what tire size do I need to get for these rims. I want
the same circumference as my original tires, or maybe a little bigger, but I
want pickup tires with a kinda thick tread, cause I do a lot of off-road
driving too :)


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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:57:24 EDT
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!

Hey guys A few quick questions on my mind tonight:

1.) Lately as soon as I loosen my gas cap air whooshes out...what's up w/
that? It's never been this bad before?

2.) Where can I get a new gas cap at? I gotta metal one on now and it HURTS
when I remove it *ouch* Is it possible to get a newer style plastic one?

Thanks y'all!

*~*~Lisa and Emvy~*~*
*~*~SIlly boys...trucks are for GIRLS!~*~*
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Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 22:11:59 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - WOOOOOSHHH!!!!

Bad4dFilly aol.com wrote:
>

>
> 1.) Lately as soon as I loosen my gas cap air whooshes out...what's up w/
> that?
>

The cap should be vented, but it sounds as if yours isn't working
properly.

> 2.) Where can I get a new gas cap at? I gotta metal one on now and it HURTS
> when I remove it *ouch* Is it possible to get a newer style plastic one?

Any parts store will have a new one for your truck. Most of the plastic
ones have screw threads, and yours should be a twist lock. Not
compatible.


Jason
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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:41:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: grant eversoll
Subject: FTE 61-79 - It Started

This may be no great news to you but today the 1976
ford f250 that I got for free STARTED and drove, I'm
happy...

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Do You Yahoo!?
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Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 23:30:52 PDT
From: "George Litton"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 330/361/391 Truck Heads

Marvin,

I work as the repairman at a machine shop in my area, and I see that
situation all the time. As you said, it is a simple fix. The 390 style
head puts a lot of heat into a thin area of the casting. The 361-391 HD
heads are also prone to cracking at the exhaust cross-over by the center
outside headbolt. I do not know why this cross-over is there, as it is not
on the standard duty heads. Any input from list members would be welcomed.

George Litton in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho


>From: "Marvin Meyer"
>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>To: "Ford Truck list"
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - 330/361/391 Truck Heads
>Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:15:56 -0400
>
>Has anyone experienced cracked heads due to just plain old sitting/age?
>I have a B-600 bus/motorhome, and the exhaust side of the head cracked, on
>top between the head and exhaust port flange. The cracks are directly over
>top of the port so when the motor is running, you here a leakage. The
>cracks
>are 5/8 -3/4" long and can easily be welded up without taking anything
>apart
>other than battery terminal removal. Seems to me poor quality castings ring
>a bell. The antifreeze was good for -64, i just went to start the old girl
>up one day and noticed a leak.
>Porosity in the iron?
> People were talking gas mileage, this 361 9spd got 11 hwy
>
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