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61-79-list-digest Saturday, October 2 1999 Volume 03 : Number 356



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In this issue:

RE: FTE 61-79 - V8 455 Buick engine on F100
RE: FTE 61-79 - Horn not working
RE: FTE 61-79 - New arrival :-)
RE: FTE 61-79 - traction lock rear ends
RE: FTE 61-79 - Rear End Question
RE: FTE 61-79 - Fw: Help, info needed
RE: FTE 61-79 - New arrival :-)
FTE 61-79 - Re: Horn not working
FTE 61-79 - new arrival,mighty-vac
FTE 61-79 - 2 pc 9" case
FTE 61-79 - Re:V8 455 Buick engine on F100
RE: FTE 61-79 - V8 455 Buick engine on F100
FTE 61-79 - Re: 390 Headers
RE: FTE 61-79 - 428 Crank on ebay
FTE 61-79 - Inop horn
FTE 61-79 - Flexplate
FTE 61-79 - New Radiator
RE: FTE 61-79 - New Radiator
FTE 61-79 - Family expansion
FTE 61-79 - Seattle List Members??
RE: FTE 61-79 - new arrival,mighty-vac
RE: FTE 61-79 - Family expansion
FTE 61-79 - B code
RE: FTE 61-79 - 428 Crank on ebay
FTE 61-79 - Calculation 2.47 Gears
Re: FTE 61-79 - transfer case lowrange
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: T-case low range
RE: FTE 61-79 - transfer case lowrange
RE: FTE 61-79 - Calculation 2.47 Gears
RE: FTE 61-79 - Calculation 2.47 Gears
RE: FTE 61-79 - 1978 Ford F150 Supercab 4x4 parting out sale:
RE: FTE 61-79 - transfer case lowrange
FTE 61-79 - Blast from the past...
Re: FTE 61-79 - V8 455 Buick engine on F100
Re: FTE 61-79 - 73 F-250
RE: FTE 61-79 - Calculation 2.47 Gears
Re: FTE 61-79 - Blast from the past...
FTE 61-79 - C6 Ratios
FTE 61-79 - 4spd to auto swap and blowby
RE: FTE 61-79 - 4spd to auto swap and blowby
FTE 61-79 - Power Steering Conversion
FTE 61-79 - OK here goes...
Re: FTE 61-79 - 400
Re: FTE 61-79 - Horn not working
Re: FTE 61-79 - Blast from the past...
Re: FTE 61-79 - 400
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: T-case low range
FTE 61-79 - re of my new 71 f100.
FTE 61-79 - RE: Detroit locker
FTE 61-79 - possible crew cab/ super cab for sale
Re: FTE 61-79 - 2 pc 9" case
Re: FTE 61-79 - 400
Re: FTE 61-79 - Seattle List Members??

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 06:42:16 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - V8 455 Buick engine on F100

Since you are in Turkey we may be able to excuse such a sacrilige but only
because parts may be hard to get for american trucks there. Being Ford
buffs we, of course, will suggest you try to find a decent "Ford" engine to
put in it. This list has little experience or interest in putting "Foreign"
engines in their fords :-)

Ask about 460 installs and we'll jump all over it :-)

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> Thinking of placing a V8 455 Buick Engine (provided from a
> Custom LeSabre
> 73') with AT and PS to a 1961' F100.
> All comments are appreciated.
> Thanks
> Erol
> Istanbul-Turkey
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 06:52:37 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Horn not working

The horn wire typically has 12v on it all the time, even with key off so all
you have to do is test for voltage on the horn wire. Some have wires that
attach to the horn button on the steering wheel. One of these wires should
be hot also as is the spring loaded pin you speak of. If you ground either
one it should operate the horn :-) If you have voltage at this point and
grounding it doesn't blow the horn, either the relay is not connected to the
horn, is not working or the horn is shot.

BTW, there is an adjustment screw on the horn which you can play with if it
doesn't make a full sound when you short it directly. I would test the horn
by shorting it directly from the battery to the horn terminals and then
proceed with other tests. Next I would short the relay to see if it's
connected correctly to the horn and if that works then it has to be in the
turn signal switch or a wire somewhere in between or a bad contact within
the steering wheel/switch assy.

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> The horn should work if I "jump" the horn spring pin to
> the steering
> column center shaft ( or to any other ground point). Right?
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 07:03:14 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - New arrival :-)

I plan to find time to teach her all the tricks so when daddy gets back from
shopping with mom or going to the movies his little girl will have grease
under her nails :-) I'm going to start looking for a 78, short box van to
fix up to haul granny around. She hates them but we really have to start
looking at her condition and make some realistic choices. I've decided to
concentrate on the 78 model year for all my toys with the exception of one,
special, very old Pickup in the 48 vintage if that should ever work out :-)
My son came into a 51 with all original parts including engine and may be
willing to part with it. He actually offered it to me originally but I
didn't have any cash flow at the time. Mortgage went through and I now have
an additional $1500/mo cash flow so..........:-)

Some day you may see a beautiful young lady named Cassandra at PF driving a
nicely restored 48 :-)

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78 Bronco Loving, Gary
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> Congratulations. I trust in about 15 yrs you'll be posting a
> letter about
> her "new" 77 F-250 4x4?
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 07:06:11 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - traction lock rear ends

My Van had one, the bronco doesn't :-( It may soon have one though if the
lincoln has 31 splines and it turns out to be a LS :-)

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> has anyone ever noticed, just about all short wheel base
> 4x4's and broncos
> have traction lock rear ends? i've hardly ever seen a long
> wheel base with
> one, most of them are open.
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 07:08:11 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Rear End Question

Mine is 4 pinion and I personally would not recommend anything else for a
truck :-) I can probably clear this up by simply looking in my service
manuals......

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> The Haynes and Chilton manuals refer to the 4 pinion LS
> as "2 piece case
> with limited slip". At least they call the 2 pinion LS a "2
> pinion with
> limited slip"
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 07:43:47 -0500
From: Dave Jacobs
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Fw: Help, info needed

Email Craig (ford mechanic): wiggert pclink.com

He's worked on plenty and is a future owner of a '00 F350 Crew Cab,
Powerstroke diesel. Tell him Dave, with the green Ford sent ya.

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From: Erik Marquez [mailto:bronco78 mosquitonet.com]
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To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fw: Help, info needed





>Gang anybody own , drive, know somebody that drives a 97
power stroke turbo
>diesel, in a F350 ?? I'm looking at a 97 F350 CC, 7.8 power
stroke, 4x4. in
>XL trim. $22.5 K 33K MI. Want to know about any
driveability problems,
>warranty work needed. problems encountered. Thanks
>
>Erik Marquez
>bronco78 mosquitonet.com
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mosquitonet.com/~bronco78
>Home of the BB decal
>

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 08:56:58 -0400
From: "Marvin Meyer"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - New arrival :-)

I plan to find time to teach her all the tricks so when daddy gets back from
shopping with mom or going to the movies his little girl will have grease
under her nails :-)

The best part, is passing all that knowledge onto the next. Then watch, they
seem to enjoy the hobby that much more. I know i did dad never did know how
much i appreciated it untill later on in life
Congrats Gary, hope you enjoy

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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 08:53:38 -0400
From: Benjamin Lange
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Horn not working

I had this same problem on two different 1977 F250 4x4s (not sure what
you have). Both times it turned out to be a worn out u-joint on the
steering shaft. A quick test is to jump a piece of wire across the
u-joint making sure you have good connections. Hope this helps.

Ben

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From: Dan & Cheryl Ledford
To:
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 1999 6:24 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Horn not working


> I wrote a while back about getting a wiring diagram because my horn
doesn't
> work. Here's the story:
> The horn itself works 'cause I can hot wire it to the battry and in
> operates. replaced the horn relay (field relay in the maintenance
books).
> The horn wire (yellow) goes from the horn to the relay. A yellow
wire
(I
> assume a continuation) goes from the horn relay to the starter relay,
> battery terminal. A blue/yellow wire also goes from the horn relay to
the
> steering column harness. All steering elements seem to be in place
(rings,
> spring pins, etc.)
> The horn should work if I "jump" the horn spring pin to the
steering
> column center shaft ( or to any other ground point). Right? Any
ideas?
>

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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 09:00:19 -0400
From: "J. Doss Halsey"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - new arrival,mighty-vac

Congratulations on the new arrival Gary!

As if the posting of well-wishing for another list member needs additional
FTE content, I'll take a second to rattle on about the mighty-vac break
bleeder. I have used it often, although not always completely sucessfully.
One thing that bothers me about the device is the constant stream of
bubbles caused by air leaking around the threads of the bleed nipple. I
feel more comfortable if I can use the bubbles as a diagnositic to tell me
when I have bled enough. I have heard people talk of using either teflon
tape on the threads, or a special silicone break grease on the threads to
prevent this. Perhaps I will try this tomorrow when I bleed the brakes on
my '68 F-250.

Last time I did the truck brakes, I could not get the air out with the
mighty vac alone. I resorted to the "one-man brake bleeder" and ran a whole
quart of fluid through the brake system with about 6 pumps of the pedal at
each wheel. That got it!

Progress update: I got the new engine (390) in on Monday complete with a
brand new Holley 4v and Borg-warner heavy-duty diaphram-spring clutch. This
weekend I hope to get the front clip back on and with any luck, fire her
up. I am getting close!

Doss Halsey
'68 F-250 Camper Special
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:24:52 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 2 pc 9" case

Concerning the discussion on the 9" 2 pc case:

I think (boy is that dangerous or what) the manuals and other literature that
are refering to 2 pc case are in actuality saying that the "spool" is 2 pc. The
devise that the ringrear is bolted to. It is most of the time refered to as the
case, I believe.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 08:23:38 -0500
From: "Don Yerhot"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:V8 455 Buick engine on F100

The big Buick is a torque monster, my Brother-in-law had one in a 5000 lb.
70 Electra, and it pushed it down the road pretty good. It's definately not
a bolt in, mounts will have to be fabricated, driveshaft will have to be
custom made, etc. I'd recommend a Ford engine, but I'm sure that they're
pretty hard to come by in Turkey. Good Luck!

DonY
65 F250-351W
74 F100-351W


73') with AT and PS to a 1961' F100.
All comments are appreciated.
Thanks
Erol
Istanbul-Turkey>

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 08:31:26 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - V8 455 Buick engine on F100

> Thinking of placing a V8 455 Buick Engine (provided from a Custom LeSabre
> 73') with AT and PS to a 1961' F100.
> All comments are appreciated.

As was mentioned earlier, we're not huge fans of swaps of this sort, but I
had a buddy with a 455 Olds ... unfortunately it was a 76 smog king with
single exhaust and every emissions device you could think of ... if you can
get away with it, I'd strip all that off, look at the W-series intakes for
the GS's, can get pricey, but they are nice intakes, also it will not like a
single exhaust at all ... stick with duals and likely some headers if you
can find any to fit ... that much displacement should have plenty of torque,
but you can really choke down the high end if you aren't careful with it ...
I think the 76 was rated for a whopping 150 hp ! maybe a shade more, but it
was a dog ... giving new meaning to the term Gutless Supreme :)

Done right the motors are screamers, done wrong, well they're not.

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 06:32:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 390 Headers

Wish wrote:
> But what we did for the 3rd tube back on both sides was to
> use studs (actually CJ used the ARP studs all the way around),
> but on these particular ones we used studs and cut the end off
> of them, then while you're putting the header on, start the
> bolt, ...

This exactly how I did mine too. Only problem is if you have
already tightened the bolts, it may mean a new set of gaskets
because you have to take them back off.

> its really not too bad, but tightening the right side was a
> pain! a really short wrench might do the trick if your hands
> are small enough to work in there

I sacrificed a combination wrench, cutting the end off. I
figured I will be using it to tighten them later anyway.

> ... CJ had the front clip off, so that helped a bit ...
> if/when I do mine I'll have the clip ON, so it should be
> interesting...

Not to worry. The only thing I had off my truck were the hood,
the power steering pump, and maybe the windshield washer
reservoir. Motor mounts were bolted down too. Them babies
slipped right in.


CJ wrote:
> Also, how are you going to do the exhaust pipe hookup to the
> collector? Will a "donut" work here? I'd really like to stay
> away from those lame collector gaskets that ALWAYS blow out,
> even if they are doubled-up.....

I used Seal-4-Good gaskets. They are made from a soft aluminum
about 0.1" thick. So far they are holding up really well. They
are also on my old truck that my neighbor has now. Summit has
them.

CJ, be sure to let us know how the silicone works. I just
couldn't bring myself to do it. I think the typical Sanderson
customer (Street Rodders) don't want those ugly gaskets sticking
out around the flanges, thus the silicone. I am curious to see
how it holds up.


Gary wrote:
> In spite of this I will continue to try to improve the process
> and longevity because I like what wrap does for it :-)

Yeah, but the silver ceramic looks so nice. :)


Mark in Southwest Washington
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 08:33:59 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 428 Crank on ebay

>
> > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=172394861
> >
> > DUH, heres the address.
>
> A $600 starting bid on a crank sight unseen....Don't everyone bid at
> once. CJ I think we need a recon mission.
>

Maybe if we talk with Tony really nice ... ;)

Actually I am not interested, but am interested in what you guys find out
and what they are going for...


Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:38:05 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Inop horn

Dan writes: >>The horn should work if I "jump" the horn spring pin to the
steering
column center shaft ( or to any other ground point). Right? Any ideas?

I just practically rewired a '76 2wd that someone had been under the dash on(as
well as under the hood) and had no clue what they were doing. My horn did not
work either. Would not work when connecting the little brass button under the
steering wheel to the center post. Turned out that a new ragjoint had been
installed, and they left off the grounding strap that goes over the ragjoint and
completes the circuit. You M U S T have this continuity for the horn button to
work. I simply made one out of wire and a couple of circular end crimp on lugs
and installed it. Works great. You wouldn't believe all the mistakes I found
in this baby. I'm surprised it didn't burn to the ground. Had several melted
wires in it, but luckily I got it all back and now have no "draw" on the battery
when nothing is on. If you have a VOM, you can probably check for continuity
from just below the joint to just above it. Should be zero ohms.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:54:39 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Flexplate

Serian writes: >>As I understand it, "Flywheel" = the big, heavy, thick plate
bolted to the rear of the crankshaft, used for manual
transmission vehicles, and "Flex Plate" = the thin, light plate
bolted to the rear of the crankshaft, with holes drilled in it
to facilitate the bolting of an automatic transmission's torque
converter to it. Ford uses both ... flywheels for manual
transmission/clutch equipped vehicles, and flex plates for
automatic transmission equipped vehicles.

I have never seen "flexplate" used in Ford literature. I have seen it in GM and
MOPAR literature, but never in Ford. That is the reason I questioned it. I
know very well what the reference is to.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 09:57:44 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: FTE 61-79 - New Radiator

My new radiator finally came from AutoKrafters.It's not concourse correct
due to the extra fittings along the bottom for draincocks. The correct one
is open for my truck. But who cares, it's here and the dimensions are EXACT
to the original. Now I need to find time to get it in.
I also got a new toy UPS yesterday. A Lincoln 110v flux-core welder. SWISO
was upset until I pointed out that I could fix the busted seat in her C #
van !






Ted Wnorowski
Bellevue,OH
'64 F-250
352 transplant
4 speed
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:06:51 -0500
From: Dave Jacobs
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - New Radiator

You will like your new toy. I have a simple Quick Fix 110v wire feed =
made by
Century Mfg here in the Twin Cities. Use it all the time, even on the =
=BC"
stuff.=20

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From: Ted Wnorowski [mailto:theodore ford-trucks.com]
Sent: Friday, October 01, 1999 8:58 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - New Radiator

My new radiator finally came from AutoKrafters.It's
not concourse correct=20
due to the extra fittings along the bottom for draincocks.
The correct one=20
is open for my truck. But who cares, it's here and the
dimensions are EXACT=20
to the original. Now I need to find time to get it in.
I also got a new toy UPS yesterday. A Lincoln 110v
flux-core welder. SWISO=20
was upset until I pointed out that I could fix the busted
seat in her C #=20
van !






Ted Wnorowski
Bellevue,OH
'64 F-250
352 transplant
4 speed
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:05:35 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Family expansion

Gary writes: >>.My grand daughter was born Monday night just before midnight,

Congrats Gary. You are one up on me now. Gotta justlove those Grandchildren.
Too bad we couldn't have had them 1st, huh...

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:16:08 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Seattle List Members??

Boy, this is gonna cost me!!!!!!!

OK, how about sometime early Sunday afternoon.....I'll be near SeaTac, but
can make it to Burien or wherever......Mike, Steve, someone pick a place.....

I'll bring my camera to get a group photo! (plus my credit card to pay for
lunch!!!)

CJ
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:23:26 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - new arrival,mighty-vac

Thanks to all for your congrats. Granny and I will enjoy her and keep you
up to date on her little accomplishments :-)

I found some teflon tape made for use with gasoline which is also imperveous
to brake fluid (I presume at least) and this is serving very well. I found
it in the plumbing section at Lowe's Lumber/Home Improvement store. The
tape does two very nice things for you:

1..you will never break another bleeder (once you get it on that is :-))
2..it seals the threads for one man bleeding

I now wrap all bleeders on all vehicles I work on as a matter of SOP.

My one man method is to wrap the bleeders, use clear plastic tube submerged
in a bottle, half full of fluid, bleeding the hose of all air first and then
gravity bleeding followed by pedal bleeding with the tube always submerged
and all air out of it so no air can be re-introduced into the cylinders.
This has turned out to be quick, clean and very effective on my 78's :-)

Since I have the lift, I use it to raise the truck just off the floor, take
off the wheels and let it back down close to the floor (I have a short tube
:-)) but you could use a longer tube and use other methods to get it done.
By taking off the wheels I also can inspect the area for any sign of
problems about to happen etc. so I don't mind the extra work. Used to do
this in my pit without taking off the wheels but then I had to climb out of
the pit to refil the MC and pump the pedal......I'll take the lift thank you
:-)

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> One thing that bothers me about the device is the constant stream of
> bubbles caused by air leaking around the threads of the bleed
> nipple.
>
> Last time I did the truck brakes, I could not get the air out with the
> mighty vac alone. I resorted to the "one-man brake bleeder"
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:29:46 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Family expansion

Grand children are the best because someone else has to train them and feed
them and ........all we have to do is play with them :-) Maybe thats why
they call it the "second childhood" :-) This is the only one close enough
for the kids to drop off for us to babysit and they live an hour away so I
expect the play/work ratio to be just about right in this case :-) I do
expect to play chauffer more often now though so Granny can visit her new
"child" :-) Going to need that van pretty soon :-)

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> Congrats Gary. You are one up on me now. Gotta justlove
> those Grandchildren.
> Too bad we couldn't have had them 1st, huh...
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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 09:46:57 -0500
From: "Brian C Nyman"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - B code

Thank you, Azie!

I believe when we took the rear end out, the gear tag said 2L47 - Lincoln
Versailles highway cruiser - I'll look again.

For some reason, we thought 2.47 gears were a little longer than we needed,
(high end cruising speed with 390/C6/"295/50R15" was estimated around 200mph,
I'll have to do the math) so we're shortening them to 3.56.

I'll look this weekend, I haven't worked on my truck in nearly THREE weeks.
Needless to say, I'm quite eager for this day (Friday) to end.

Brian Nyman
bnyman allina.com

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 11:06:31 -0400
From: tfreeman murphyfarms.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 428 Crank on ebay

Just for grins....I bought my 428 1U crank for $250. It was std/std....came out
of a '66 T'bird.

- -Ted




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Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 428 Crank on ebay





>
> > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=172394861
> >
> > DUH, heres the address.
>
> A $600 starting bid on a crank sight unseen....Don't everyone bid at
> once. CJ I think we need a recon mission.
>

Maybe if we talk with Tony really nice ... ;)

Actually I am not interested, but am interested in what you guys find out
and what they are going for...


Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 10:15:59 -0500
From: "Brian C Nyman"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Calculation 2.47 Gears

Azie,

I'm not sure what a 390 normally runs at RPM-wise. But the new 3.56 gears look
pretty comfortable.

Is this close to right? This is based on optimal transmission ratio of 1:1; I'm
not sure what the max/optimal ratio a C6 puts out. Not that anyone wants to
"cruise" at 6000rpm. As it is, the 3.56 gears are going to do okay for an old
'58 F100, don't you think? Nice comfy cruising speeds. My 402 (390+0.060")
with hydraulic cam and electronic ignition should be able handle 6K pretty easy,
on occasion. Now all I have to do is get it on the road...

6000rev/min x 60min/hr x 1wt/2.47rev x 85in/1wt x 1ft/12in x 1mi/5280ft =
195.5mi/hr
3500rev/min x 60min/hr x 1wt/2.47rev x 85in/1wt x 1ft/12in x 1mi/5280ft =
114.0mi/hr
3000rev/min x 60min/hr x 1wt/2.47rev x 85in/1wt x 1ft/12in x 1mi/5280ft =
97.7mi/hr

6000rev/min x 60min/hr x 1wt/3.56rev x 85in/1wt x 1ft/12in x 1mi/5280ft =
135.7mi/hr
3500rev/min x 60min/hr x 1wt/3.56rev x 85in/1wt x 1ft/12in x 1mi/5280ft =
79.1mi/hr
3000rev/min x 60min/hr x 1wt/3.56rev x 85in/1wt x 1ft/12in x 1mi/5280ft =
67.8mi/hr

wt - wheel turn
wt = 27in (295/50R15) x pi (3.141593) = 85 in circumference



Brian Nyman
bnyman allina.com

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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 08:53:48
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - transfer case lowrange

>> What was the transfer case type again in the '78 bronco's? T-18?
>
>NP205
>
>Anyway I
>> think the lowrange (1.9:1 or so?)
>
>2.0
>
>>is still waay to high,
>
>Even with a T-18??

No with a C6.. I hardly ever have the auto in a higher gear than 1st when
four wheeling.

>>is there a way to
>> make it 2.5:1 or 3:1 or so? I don't want to get a higher ratio differential
>> because I drive on the highway a lot too. Then I'd need an overdrive but
>> they're EXPENSIVE..
> I heard here recently on hte Bronco list that a company that makes
>"doubler" gears for early bronc (dana 20) may be making a set for the
>NP205. Not sure what stage that is in. Later cases NP208, ect are geared
>in the 2.6 range I believe.

I've heard several people talk about an article in "a" 4wd magazine that
said how to combine a np205 with some np203 parts to get a lower range (and
still be part time)??


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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 08:49:03
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: T-case low range

>I remember recently reading about someone sandwiching a 203 reduction unit
>between the tranny and 205 to make a low-low for the 205, was either in
>Four Wheeler or 4 Wheel and Off Road. Can't remember exactly when.

Hmm that's what I would need. Any sources on the internet?


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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 08:56:40
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - transfer case lowrange

>All I know for sure is that with a factory 351/400, NP435, 33" tires and
>3.50 gears with my trusy NP205 I can use low range, idling and pull a 78
>linclon all over my drive way, sideways without touching the gas or stalling
>the engine. To me that reads "Plenty of torque" in low range for any use I

But I have a C6 which has a much heavier first gear. I bit mu 1st-low would
still be heavier than your 1st-high.



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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:52:29 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Calculation 2.47 Gears

> I'm not sure what a 390 normally runs at RPM-wise. But the new
> 3.56 gears look
> pretty comfortable.
>

3.50's are what I have in my truck, they are great, not too many RPM's at
highway speeds, not too few to keep you from getting a good pull ( a stout
390 helps with that too :)

> Is this close to right? This is based on optimal transmission
> ratio of 1:1; I'm
> not sure what the max/optimal ratio a C6 puts out. Not that
> anyone wants to
> "cruise" at 6000rpm. As it is, the 3.56 gears are going to do
> okay for an old
> '58 F100, don't you think? Nice comfy cruising speeds. My 402
> (390+0.060")
> with hydraulic cam and electronic ignition should be able handle
> 6K pretty easy,
> on occasion. Now all I have to do is get it on the road...
>
> 3000rev/min x 60min/hr x 1wt/3.56rev x 85in/1wt x 1ft/12in x
> 1mi/5280ft =
> 67.8mi/hr
>
> wt - wheel turn
> wt = 27in (295/50R15) x pi (3.141593) = 85 in circumference
>


Remember these are estimates, you will likely actually be running 3100-3250
by the time you actually get the truck going (wind resistance and drivetrain
losses) ... also the 27" tires will likely only be 25 or 26 for rolling
radius ...

I'm runnin 3.5 gears with about 30" tires (so a couple inches bigger at
least) and having no problems, I would think the smaller tires would make it
even quicker to rev .. unfortunately will add a few revs too.... don't
forget to calibrate that speedometer (if only in your head)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:36:10 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Calculation 2.47 Gears

Do you know what your tooth count ratio is? 3.50 is 10:35 for instance.
I've heard of 3.50, 3.54 and 3.55 but never a 3.56 in a ford?

295x50x15 translates to 26.61 by my calculations, 26.10 if you allow for
contact patch.

188 mph with 2.47 6000 rpm
130 mph with 3.56 6000 rpm

Are what I get using that figure :-)

A more usefull figure for all around "Street" performance is:

1900 rpm 60 mph with 2.47
2751 rpm 60 mph with 3.56

What this tells me is that you will be wasting a lot of gas. The 1900 60 is
a much better scenerio IMHO with a 400cuin engine and is very close to what
modern engines do with OD trannys. Using the wide ratio C-6 with this gear
set will give you excellent off line performance for the street and allow
the 1:1 top gear in the C-6 to act like an over drive so you get to have
your cake and eat it too :-) The taller gears with standard C-6 will not be
nearly as good a choice and you may have to go with lower gears to get over
all performance improvement and accept the hit on the economy.

My stock 460 with 2.75 gears and this tranny setup will scald the tires
easily. My numbers are:

1958 rpm 60 with 2.75 gears

but the 460 has a little more torque so may not be a good comparison with
your setup.

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> I'm not sure what a 390 normally runs at RPM-wise. But the
> new 3.56 gears look
> pretty comfortable.

> wt = 27in (295/50R15) x pi (3.141593) = 85 in circumference
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 11:56:25 -0500
From: Dave Jacobs
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 1978 Ford F150 Supercab 4x4 parting out sale:

Does anybody have that list of Early Bronco parts for sale they could
forward to me? It was on earlier and I inadvertently deleted it. Thanks.

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Sent: Thursday, September 30, 1999 9:27 AM
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Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1978 Ford F150 Supercab 4x4
parting out sale:

PARTING OUT SALE:
1978 FORD F150, Supercab 4x4: Has many good parts. whole
front end no rust, 2
cabs to chose from, solid 8' bed, good drivetrain:
351M(crane cam, edelbrock
intake, holley 4 barrel, flowtech headers, dual exhaust with
h-pipe and
flowmasters), C-6 tranny, transfer case, Ford 9" rear(3.50
gears), Dana44
front(3.50 gears), new doors, new door weatherstrip, new
front window visor,
new parking brake cable, 1/2 good tread on 35" B.F. Goodrich
All-Terrain.
Call for prices. mileage: 138000.
(215) 886-6956 Located in Pennsylvania, Philadelphia area.
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:20:03 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - transfer case lowrange

Well, I had a standard ratio C-6 attached to a 205 with my 460 and in
low/low it was a real stump puller with 4.1 or 3.5 or 3.25 gears. The
converter slips quite a bit at low rpms so any load will simply stall the
vehicle until you give it more gas. By using the brake pedal and gas pedal
together you should be able to go anywere a goat can go.....:-)

I once pulled a lady (and her car :-)) out of a ditch on a glare ice day
where I was on pavement covered with about 2" of ice and she was in a
shallow ditch in deep grass and slush. I had open diffs, fairly new 33" A/T
type tires with lots of fine siping and pulled her right out without
slipping a tire in low range with a standard ratio C-6 with 4.1 gears. It
litterally idled her out, just like I did with the lincoln in the drive way,
sideways :-)

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> But I have a C6 which has a much heavier first gear. I bit mu
> 1st-low would
> still be heavier than your 1st-high.
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:58:32 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Blast from the past...

Okay, I know a lot of you are older than me, so I'm hopin you will remember
this ... we were talking the other day at lunch about spot lights on cars,
and we seemed to remember a "game" where you would go out looking for
"parked" cars and then turn the spot light on them and just watch the
reactions .. what was it called?!!?! I imagine there are some regional
differences here, but we couldn't come up with the "name of the game" for
it!

Help us !

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 11:28:36 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - V8 455 Buick engine on F100

Thanks for your message at 11:30 AM 10/1/99 +0300, Erol. Your message was:
>Thinking of placing a V8 455 Buick Engine (provided from a Custom LeSabre
>73') with AT and PS to a 1961' F100.
>All comments are appreciated.

You may get comments you don't appreciate from this one....


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 11:27:22 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 73 F-250

Thanks for your message at 09:48 PM 9/30/99 -0700, Dale Blanchard. Your
message was:
>I am thinking of selling my 73-F250 after 26 years. How can I find out
>what it is worth? 390 engine was replaced with a 300 six. Great
>improovement.


???????????????Monty Python? Tongue-in-cheek? What is
this???????????????????

Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:29:23 -0500
From: "William S. Hart"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Calculation 2.47 Gears

> Do you know what your tooth count ratio is? 3.50 is 10:35 for instance.
> I've heard of 3.50, 3.54 and 3.55 but never a 3.56 in a ford?
>

Its a 61 pickup, just playin a hunch that it doesn't have a 9" in it, and
has some other rearend where the 3.56 is an option ...

> 295x50x15 translates to 26.61 by my calculations, 26.10 if you allow for
> contact patch.
>

You only have .5" of change in diameter based on rolling radius ? or is
this just a guestimate ?


> 188 mph with 2.47 6000 rpm
> 130 mph with 3.56 6000 rpm
>
> Are what I get using that figure :-)
>

Good luck getting anywhere near that with a truck ... maybe given enough
space, but either way I think these are merely "theoretical" at best ...
more of a "we could hit this on a good day with a tailwind and a hill" sort
of thing, especially with an Auto there ...

> A more usefull figure for all around "Street" performance is:
>
> 1900 rpm 60 mph with 2.47
> 2751 rpm 60 mph with 3.56
>
> What this tells me is that you will be wasting a lot of gas.
> The 1900 60 is
> a much better scenerio IMHO with a 400cuin engine and is very
> close to what
> modern engines do with OD trannys. Using the wide ratio C-6
> with this gear
> set will give you excellent off line performance for the street and allow
> the 1:1 top gear in the C-6 to act like an over drive so you get to have
> your cake and eat it too :-) The taller gears with standard C-6
> will not be
> nearly as good a choice and you may have to go with lower gears
> to get over
> all performance improvement and accept the hit on the economy.
>

All this talk of the wide ratio C6 being the God-send for auto trannies has
me wondering ... what about the between gears issues ? My 82 GT had a wide
ratio tranny in it, and the motor was peaky to say the least, so it ended up
being too wide between the gears ... I think you really need to look at the
vehicle as a whole and determine what its going to be used for before saying
a wide ratio is the answer every time ... if he's plannin on doin some drag
racing on the street or even at the track, its going to be a great launch,
til he hits second and has to wait forever to get back into the hp/torque
range that he needs to be in ...

> My stock 460 with 2.75 gears and this tranny setup will scald the tires
> easily. My numbers are:
>
> 1958 rpm 60 with 2.75 gears
>
> but the 460 has a little more torque so may not be a good comparison with
> your setup.
>

Do you have a stock 460 or a modified/massaged one ? I can never remember
... also wondering what kind of mileage you're getting with this setup ???
Especially in town vs. highway ... also wondering what size tires you're
running ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 4.6L
73ish F100 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 11:39:14 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Blast from the past...

Thanks for your message at 12:58 PM 10/1/99 -0500, William S. Hart. Your
message was:
> Okay, I know a lot of you are older than me, so I'm hopin you will remember
>this ... we were talking the other day at lunch about spot lights on cars,
>and we seemed to remember a "game" where you would go out looking for
>"parked" cars and then turn the spot light on them and just watch the
>reactions .. what was it called?!!?! I imagine there are some regional
>differences here, but we couldn't come up with the "name of the game" for
>it!
This sounds great...Is it like something you would do when it was too dark
to watch the grass grow? 8>)
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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 13:46:06 -0500
From: "Brian C Nyman"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - C6 Ratios

Could someone tell me what the transmission ratios/gears are for a 69-71 Camper
Special C6 are ?

Brian Nyman
bnyman allina.com

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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 14:40:49 -0500
From: David.R.John deluxe.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 4spd to auto swap and blowby

Thanks to everyone for their help to my many questions, here is a summary
to what I did (going to do):

1)For the blowby on the recently overhauled 460 --> tore it apart and found
the rings to be suspiciously lined up on many of the cylinders. Reringed
(with cast) and honed, should be no problem with seating.

2)Bought new flex plate for 460 (asked if the 400 flex plate would work)

3)Will use old 460 starter, may get new bendix (someone said good to have 2
new gears together per new flex plate).

4)Had donor radiator out of the 400 auto fixed rather than add lines to
manual radiator. The cost to add tranny cooler lines almost as much as new
radiator if they had to recore the manual due to damaging tubes in taking
tank off.

5)Will have to have drive shafts made since the length of the C6(20 and 1/4
inches) plus tailshaft (8 and 3/4 inches) is 2 and 3/4 inches longer than
the bellhousing (6 and 3/4 inches) plus NP435 4 speed (19 and 1/2 inches):
29 vs 26 and 1/4 inches. The only way to avoid it is if someone knows of a
6 inch tailshaft for a C6??

Hopefully within the next 2 weeks it will all go back together and see how
everything works!!!!

If anyone knows of a 6 inch tailshaft respond to me directly (and the list)
as I am in digest mode and at work.

Thanks again,

David John
1978 F250 4x4 supercab 460 (on engine stand) 4spd (in back of truck)
converted to C6 (on garage floor)
1978 F250 4x4 regular cab 400 donor truck

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:59:17 -0500
From: Dave Jacobs
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 4spd to auto swap and blowby

David, this is Dave from St. Paul. I think you'll not be happy reusing =
the
radiator from the 400M. I had both to choose from and the one from the =
460
needed some soldering, but it is about 1 =BD times bigger than the 400M
version. My temp on the temp gauge rarely exceeds the 'e' in temp! To =
fit
it into the F150, I drilled out the spot welds in the '77 F350 crew cab
brackets and bolted/welded them into place on the F150. The support =
brackets
are needed for the larger radiator.=20

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Sent: Friday, October 01, 1999 2:41 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 4spd to auto swap and blowby

Thanks to everyone for their help to my many questions, here
is a summary
to what I did (going to do):

1)For the blowby on the recently overhauled 460 --> tore it
apart and found
the rings to be suspiciously lined up on many of the
cylinders. Reringed
(with cast) and honed, should be no problem with seating.

2)Bought new flex plate for 460 (asked if the 400 flex plate
would work)

3)Will use old 460 starter, may get new bendix (someone said
good to have 2
new gears together per new flex plate).

4)Had donor radiator out of the 400 auto fixed rather than
add lines to
manual radiator. The cost to add tranny cooler lines almost
as much as new
radiator if they had to recore the manual due to damaging
tubes in taking
tank off.

5)Will have to have drive shafts made since the length of
the C6(20 and 1/4
inches) plus tailshaft (8 and 3/4 inches) is 2 and 3/4
inches longer than
the bellhousing (6 and 3/4 inches) plus NP435 4 speed (19
and 1/2 inches):
29 vs 26 and 1/4 inches. The only way to avoid it is if
someone knows of a
6 inch tailshaft for a C6??

Hopefully within the next 2 weeks it will all go back
together and see how
everything works!!!!

If anyone knows of a 6 inch tailshaft respond to me directly
(and the list)
as I am in digest mode and at work.

Thanks again,

David John
1978 F250 4x4 supercab 460 (on engine stand) 4spd (in back
of truck)
converted to C6 (on garage floor)
1978 F250 4x4 regular cab 400 donor truck

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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 16:03:47 -0400
From: "J. Doss Halsey"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Power Steering Conversion

Tim O'Connor,

Work piled up and I never got a chance to thank you for the list of parts
for the power steering. What I ended up doing was this:

Brief Problem Statement Refresher: The manual and power steering pitman
arms were different, both different splines and different angles. The
manual arm ('68) was a flatter arm, the arm which came with the power
steering box ('72) was more severely angled. The new power steering pitman
arm seemed a hard fit to the drag link (seemed to be at the wrong angle).

Solution to date: I went to a junk yard and found a '68 truck with power
steering. I went to pull the pitman arm, and I realized that it was the
same as the one I had in my hand. I surmised that it must be the drag link
that was different. I pulled the drag link, bought it, took it home, and
found it to be identical to the one I had. So, I just attached the pitman
arm I had to the drag link I had, and bolted it up tight (same setup as the
'68 in the junkyard). It was a little bit of a tight fit. We shall see how
she behaves after I get the engine in and running, hopefully this weekend.

Cheers,

Doss Halsey
'68 F-250 390 4V, Ranger trim, power steering (keep your fingers crossed)
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:40:05 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - OK here goes...

Got the cleaned & painted 335 block & lower end back from the machine shop
today. 9:1 flat top cast Ohio pistons mounted on orig. rods (resized top &
bottom), new flexplate (there's that term again!) & harmonic bal. all
balanced with the 400 crank I got on eBay for $65 (it got a clean bill of
health from the machinist). I had him clean & re-polish it after I ground
the lead in grooves on the mains. Cylinders bored & honed to .020, new
Clevite 77 cam & rod bearings, Fed. Mogul mains, assy. lube and .001-.003
plastigauge. Gonna get the engine on the stand tonight and get it washed
good tomorrow. Any input on reassembling the lower end is welcome. I've done
it several times before but it's been quite awhile. I do have the factory
shop manual as well as the Tom Monroe book. Wish me luck!

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"



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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 17:54:20 EDT
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 400

In a message dated 09/30/1999 5:53:01 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
r72cnvt hotmail.com writes:


want to mislead you. >>

I have a 351M400 under my hood, wouldn't it look the same?

~Lisa~
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 17:58:37 EDT
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Horn not working

Just made me think of that cute lil sayin "Horn broken, watch for finger!" LOL

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~SIlly Boys Tricks are for GIRLS!!~*~*
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 18:02:08 EDT
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Blast from the past...

In a message dated 10/01/1999 6:49:47 PM !!!First Boot!!!, dpearson ctc.edu
writes:


>this ... we were talking the other day at lunch about spot lights on cars,
>and we seemed to remember a "game" where you would go out looking for
>"parked" cars and then turn the spot light on them and just watch the
>reactions .. what was it called?!!?! I imagine there are some regional
>differences here, but we couldn't come up with the "name of the game" for
>it!
This sounds great...Is it like something you would do when it was too dark
to watch the grass grow? 8>) >>

I dunno what y'all would call it..but if I was in the car gettin spotted I'd
call that game "OH % &*!!!!!!!!" hehehehehehe *Evil grin*

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~SIlly boys...trucks are for girls!!~*~*
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:17:05 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 400

Yes it would. There's no way to tell the difference from the outside of the
motor.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, October 01, 1999 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 400


>In a message dated 09/30/1999 5:53:01 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
>r72cnvt hotmail.com writes:
>
>
> want to mislead you. >>
>
>I have a 351M400 under my hood, wouldn't it look the same?
>
>~Lisa~
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 17:31:43 -0500
From: "Norm"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: T-case low range

Bas Wrote


> >I remember recently reading about someone sandwiching a 203 reduction
unit
> >between the tranny and 205 to make a low-low for the 205, was either in
> >Four Wheeler or 4 Wheel and Off Road. Can't remember exactly when.
>
> Hmm that's what I would need. Any sources on the internet?

Bas......take a look at this URL.......these are the dudes that are doing
this conversion! If ya call ask for Stephen! he is the dude ya wanna chat
with! But as of yet no kt available for the Ford!

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.offroaddesign.com/catalog/doubler.htm

Enjoy and good luck dude!

Norm/Tracie dahorse jvlnet.com " Babied & Pampered"
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=231
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.jvlnet.com/~dahorse

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 18:11:47 -0500
From: "Daniel R. Olinick"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - re of my new 71 f100.

>Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 11:05:55 -0500
>From: "William S. Hart"
>Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - My New 1971 F100
>
>> HI, I am the proud new owner of a 1971 F100.
>
>Congratulations :)
>
>> It has a v8 and a three
>> speed manual transmission. I don't know the exact specifications.
>
>Is it a 3 on the tree (column shift) ? That's the only way Grandpa will
>have his :)

Mine is on the floor. The hole is on the left side of the hump and
the shifter has a few bends in it. It brings the shifter real close to
my right leg in reverse. Yes, it is an H pattern but 2nd is on the
right and switched with reverse. I figure that someone didn't like it
on the tree or something and converted it.

BTW: what's the deal with the gear and lightning bolt on the rubber
flooring? I haven't seen it again on any ford trucks as I rummaged
throught them in the salvage yard.

I had all 4 drums replaced and shoes and cylinders. The shop I
took the truck to said the drums were out of spec and couldn't
be reused. :(

I found a spare tire bracket that goes inside the side of the bed.
It was found attached on the passenger's side near the cab
but I could bolt it in in any of the 4 corners I think. I don't have
the guts to drill the holes because I can't decide if I really need
it or want it or where to put it. Where did the spare tire go on
these trucks from the factory? did they just thow them in the bed?
Did they come with a spare? Did they sometimes mount under
the bed near the bumber? I looked under their and didn't see anything.
If I can I'd like to store it underneath instead of taking up space in the
bed.
The truck has dual exhaust which is routed on either side and exit
on each side under the bumper. Would the tailpipes cause problems
putting the spare under there? How close can you put the rubber to the
tailpipe?

Dan



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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 19:55:08 PDT
From: "Art Verling"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Detroit locker

I have a Detroit locker now in my 64 F100 SWB 2WD and since I have installed
it I have not noticed any bad habbits that have started since the install.
In the next 2 months it will snow and I will have a better feel for the
other problems that others have addressed. I think that it tends to leap
straight when I get on it from a light. As far as I can tell it has 390
gears and my top speed it about 70 mph.

Good luck,
Art

art.verling excite.com




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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 20:10:04 PDT
From: "MARTY COLMAN"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - possible crew cab/ super cab for sale

A friend found a couple pickups and would be willing to try to get them if
someone is interested. Naturally I thought of you guys first. He said
there is a white 73-79 (couldn't see grill) crewcab in good shape (did not
get a very close look). Assuming it does not run. 3/4 ton 2wd Custom? (no
chrome mouldings).

Also knows of a 73-79 3/4 ton 2wd supercab longbox (also assuming it doesn't
run).

And a very nice '79 F150 4x4 xlt ranger. Owner said 400 motor needs....

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